Can a Hydraulic Ram Pump Make a Perpetual Motion Loop?
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- In this video I talk about how a hydraulic ramp pump works and why it doesn't break the second law of thermodynamics.
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I love how electrical components can all be reproduced in an hydraulic system, this is definitively a DC/DC boost converter (the inductance is water inertia).
Very noisy signal and very inefficient to be to be a boost converter..
@@omniyambot9876 This is however a rigorous hydraulic analogy.
Yeah I guess
@@IncroyablesExperiences But it's a PWM maybe
I literally yesterday was thinking about this same exact thing.
I was thinking about how water could push itself with release of energy, akin to how batteries release electrons from one side and grab them from another.
HI from NZ. I sudscribed in about 10 seconds. You explain things clearly and concisely. That was a great demonstration. My family used to live in an old house that was badly damaged in the Christchurch 2011 earthquakes. We had an old Ram pump in the front garden that pumped water to 2 x holding tanks about 4 metres off the ground. The pumping ratio was 2/3 wasted to pump 1/3 to the tanks. The waste water was piped off to a nearby river. This house used to have 7 Ram pumps and provided water for the whole street. Another man who lived close by also had an old well. He plumbed his water out to the front of his property and provided emergency water for approximately 60000 people that lived in the area after the 2011 earthquakes hit. His flow rate was 30 litres per Minute. He got the water tested. It was 15 x more pure than shop bought water!
Really interesting! This works in pretty much the EXACT same way as a boost converter in electronics (converts a lower voltage to a higher voltage, but with less current). Crazy how similar fluid dynamics and electronics are!
one of the only differences is that electricity has no weight, otherwise electrons would be like a fluid and those two would be the same thing
Back in the 1700`s, churches and cathedralls and other huge building made their own energy by Eather, just out of ''thin air'' with antenna`s and coils, the people who build that powerstations called Tartarians, many video`s to find on youtube..
Guy`s like mr Edison and rockefeller destoyed al those technologie and forced us to use oil to create energy..
But the still use it for own use.. and many buildings are still using this technology but the ''normal'' people don`t know that.
As an apprentice 45 years ago our instructors used to use that analogy to help trainees understand how electricity works.
@@todaywefly4370 no way! That’s awesome! It really is pretty much the exact same. Did they use just a manual switch, or use a semiconductor (like a MOSFET, or maybe a BJT for that period)? And damn… 45 years ago was the year my parents were born. Love how the internet allows people to connect across generations.
@@grantpeterson2524 It is very cool. All manual in my day.(auto tech, not electrician)
The bang you usually hear when turning your faucet off real fast is not the pipe expanding, but rather the pipe moving due to the weight of the moving water suddenly coming to a stop, and banging the pipe against something else. This is especially common when there's a long straight run of pipe, like along the basement ceiling, or up the wall to an upper floor that's not well anchored/secured.
Water Hammer
I've learned about that in my undergrad, as it is widely used in family farms here in Brazil to pump water uphill, the source is a flowing river, and it does really great.
Can they get the water to fill a reservoir and, once full, go higher? (Step and repeat?)
@@JakeWitmer not sure
Yes, but it consumes water to do it.
How much preasure they get
@@asmircar1 I've read it needs about 10psi to operate for a 20ft high (give or take) outlet... don't know about the length of the pipe, tho. But I'm sure there's a paper somewhere that explain it better.
I learned about ram pumps at Ha-Ha Tonka State Park in Missouri. The old tower was up several hundred feet from the spring below. This method was used to supply water to the houses at the top of the cliff. Thanks for the easy explanation!
7:10 - 7:15 That's why I learned as a kid to turn it off not to fast. This sudden change in presure can damage the pipes or at least increase the changange of it getting damaged.
When I was a kid I always liked to turn it on and off really fast to make it sound like a machine gun Kelly
@@putrichan2550 you took uselessness to a whole new level
@@youregonnahaveaskeletontim1925 it's a bot, youtube is to blame here...
@@hovnocuc4551 ikr but looking at it just got me thinking of our generation like damn...
It's water hammer
I purposely do not subscribe to many channels on RUclips, but over the past year I have continuously loved your content and your personal presentation of it. Today, I subscribed, you have earned it
if its not Perpetual Motion don't even pose the question. thumbs down but like hell you could even see it anymore because of YTs stupid decisions. and the reason why i thumbs down is because i am of the belief that Perpetual Motion might be the only thing that can save humanity. and before any scientifically accurate retards pipe up, i didn't say "i believe its possible" i just said it could be what is necessary to for humanity to survive in any long term way. especially with the way governments of the world are treating long term problems like global worm and what not.
If you put a tank (with an air hole in the top of it) on the waste valve it eventually collects enough water to increase the pressure backwards & puts a small amount of water back into the system that again increases pressure.
You can multiply this setup & also use higher pressure valves to get a head height to unimaginable levels.
I currently am pumping up 100 metres using a tripple setup that is only running on 19mm piping. It delivers approx 200 litres per day.
It cost me $41.32 in total & has been running for over 5 years
wow...
That's serious and what is the maintainance like and do you have to manually open and shot the system down everyday or does it run 24/7
Would you say an oversized version of this could be used in an application that requires pumping water up 600m?
Do you have any videos . Would love to check that out
Please sir, will you share a video of it with us? Could build a generator with it and run basic systems in the house with it. Technology to free us is out there, but it is denied to us by slavers. Please teach us how to build freedom!
This is how a lot of off grid homesteads get their water to their gardens or to their wells, I fell in love with the simplicity of the Ram pump, eventually I’m going to build one at home when I find an actual use for one
My grandparents had one of these on their farm to supply water from a creek to a self filling water trough in a barn. I used to love to listen to the clacking almost clock like rhythm of it. I later learned how they worked, but was convinced it was some type of clockwork mechanism when younger, because of that click clack rhythm.
Synchronization
it's like a heart beat..
smart grand parents 👍🙏
Cool ram pump setup James!
I wanted to know where he got the pipe xd
Hello verified user :)
Oh. so his name is James!
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Yep
I have tried so hard to understand ram pumps for months I swear, watching various videos here and there, but this demonstration shows it very simply and it totally makes sense now! Thank you!
There is a guy on RUclips named Seth Johnson. His channel is called Land to House. If you want to know more, I recommend checking his channel out. He does all kinds of experiments with them as well as showing you how to build them. He even sells them pre-built for cheaper than I was able to find all the parts myself. I have been using one of his ram pumps for about 2 years to keep fresh water to my goats and chickens.
@@Kenyon7877 Funny you mention it, because it was his ram pump that was used in this video!
Engine intakes runners rely on the flowing air in much the same way. As the engine revs faster the column of air in each runner flows faster, then when the intake valve slams shut the air in that runner compresses slightly against it. When the valve opens again the compressed slug of air pushes into the cylinder. Generally, long intake runners aid in low rpm power, short runners for high rpms. A well tuned naturally aspirated engine can actually displace more air than its volume.
Another relevant variable is both the length and flexibility of the drive pipe. Rule of thumb is that the length is 7 or 8 times the fall, but in my experience this is pretty open to variation. If you are wanting higher pressures, then you need to use a rigid pipe, ie a steel one. But for low pressures a flexible one eg. black alkathene works just fine. And despite "common knowledge" it does NOT need to be straight! Just free of tight bends to allow free flow. Another rule of thumb is that you can lift to ten times the fall. In reality you can do way more than that, but no doubt the overall efficiency goes down. If there is plenty of drive water, who cares! And the more air cushion volume, the better! Good luck, hydraulic rams are great fun and very satisfying to make and play with! Cheers! Chris, NZ.
About a year or 2 ago, I watched this on a Survival TV show and I was confused.
Thanks for making a video about it.
Lol. How one letter can confuse an entire sentence. (I guess you meant "ago" and not "age".)
@@FelanLP Edited, Thank you :3
@@rvxn I legit saw “age” and then ago when I clicked to see replied because you edited it so quickly.
any idea which show it was
the program might be "Dirty rotten survival "
Sometimes it's crazy how these kind of things are so simple, yet I've never heard of them. This channel has brought a lot of relatively intuitive things to light for me
We just don't run the experiments or we would come to know some of this on our own. But I feel you I watched how a engine works and it made alot of sense
4:20 = This is analogous to self oscillating "boost converter" (in power electronics topology). The top valve is the MOSFET, water flow is the current and bottom valve is the diode. Like a boost converter provides higher voltage at output, in the same way, this hydraulic circuit can provide water at a higher point.
But where is the wasted energy in this analogy like the water that exits the top (outlet) valve? Power losses of diode and mosfet?
@@Halolaloo "Wasted" water stands for current consumed from the low level input, this current is higher than the current produced at the high level output (boost converter - height is voltage). It's not wasted but necessary to generate the boost effect. Wasted energy is the water heating in pipes friction.
Great connection.
I suppose, if you have a method of catching that waste water and manually put it back in the system (regaining mass), it could actually be quite efficient. Great tutorial, thank you.
All you would need is a catch basin,a few more valves and a couple of minutes a day.
...that did feel like important point he didn't bother with.
I was looking for this comment
I had read about water ram pumps in engineering school some 45 years back,, and forgot all about it. This summer I visited a manor house in Scotland and those guys had installed a water ram pump 125 years back... so it all came back to me. I am going to make one for myself now.
lol, one useful benefit of taking physics classes in college is that anytime someone suggests to you that something they have is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, you instantly know IT AIN'T.
True but it would be great if we could so that's why it's so tempting for people to believe it
All these physics laws continue to be the buzzkill to any of our ideas, not just free energy perpetual motion power plant, it also applies to our hoverboard.
It does not take college physics to know he needs to continuedly add water or it will stop since water is leaking all down his driveway and down the street.
You don't need to go to college to learn that
Fantastic Video! Thanks for using the Land To House ram pump for your demo.
What a observation xD
Thanks. It wasn't working at first. I had to replace the check valves to get it to work with my setup.
Ok
@@TheActionLab The issue was most likely the clear flexible drive pipe. I know for video purposes it worked to have everything in the frame but its ideal to have at least 25 feet of pvc pipe as the drive pipe. That would allow the normal valves to work correctly.
Still a great demonstration!
@@LandtoHouse In a proper setup the drive pipe sholud be even more rigid than PVC, more like cast iron. The less give in that pipe the higher efficiency of the pump.
Wait! Wait! I know this one: the answer is “No”. A hydraulic ram pump cannot be used as a perpetual motion machine.
LoL🤣🤣🤣
I gotta say humans are great at trying to cheat the laws of physics.
How about my friends dog? She’s actually sprinted 6 miles, and she didn’t slow down the entire time. Like she was running at least 20 mph
@@NotProFishing more like misunderstanding mechanisms and declaring it as deceiving the laws of physics
@@NotProFishing , more like we hate them but forced to obey. We wish perpetual motion gives us free energy as well as a working hoverboard if physics laws do not being buzzkills to all of us.
I have a degree in chemical engineering, and I've surprisingly never heard of this. Excellent video and explanation. Love the content!
It stumped me for a minute too... but the original water source has to be ABOVE the Ram pump... and not each cycle loses water through the waste valve... there is no violation of the 2nd Law... it's being powered by gravity... you lose water ... if you have a natural endless source of water... then no worries.. but if you're trying to move 100 gallons up a hill... you'll end up with 30 or so gallons at the top of the hill and 70 gallons waste water on the floor beside your Ram Pump.
@@calendarcalendar3838 but is there no way to direct that wasted water back into the system? i think this is pretty cool stuff
@@woshua3143Nope, the best you could do is collect the waste water and manually move it back up to the level of the source water. Because the waste water valve has to be lower than the source of the water, you can't conserve the waste water and put it back in the system without expending energy.
That's why this is best suited to a situation where you have a spring or a river (a constant source of water) where your can place this valve lower than that source (either in the ground or downstream). Otherwise you might as well use a hand pump up to a water tower or something if you want a system with no water waste.
@@isaacholzwarthwith a water wheel up the top and some gears/ratio.
@@Seriouslydave isn't possible. The kinetic/potential evergy of the water coming out isn't enough to bring the lower water up. The best you might be able to do is to move SOME of the waste water back up. However, the amount of water that goes out the waste is much more than the water coming out the top, so the energy in the water coming out the top simply isn't enough to move all the waste water back up. It's simply not possible.
It's amazing how many fake pump videos are on YT and gratifying to see an honest and clear explanation of how real ram pumps work. Well done, an excellent video for people who want to know how things work without all the hard sums involved in fluid mechanics.
that bang sound when turning the water off is also made by the free pipe installed in the house. it slams the whole pipe into the woodwork or whatever the building supply is that encases the water pipe. I've watched this happen in some installations.
Yep. That's why we put surge arrestor on end of line
Heck yeah! More off grid hacks please.
Seems like the same sort of thing that happens when one member of a binary is gravitationally captured and its energy transfered to its companion which is ejected at high speed. Here the Waste water is captured gravitationally and spurts with very little residual energy and that energy is transfered to the fluid that remains in the system enabling it to rise higher than its original energy state. Fascinating illustration. Thank you!
Yep, but you have to have the waste valve cycle and flow freely or else it won't work. It is a perfect way to pump from existing rivers and streams.
The waste water energy is not captured, it is wasted energy. The energy that matters is the flowing water. That energy is enough to push a small amount of water higher than the original water source.
THAT"S SO USEFUL! Obviously the loss of water somehow fuels it, but if you have a lake or something to drain the water back into, that's an ANALOG PUMP with no no electricity!
I'm in Vanuatu at the moment teaching some development things and a request came re Hydraulic pumping. This guys basic teaching is so necessary in these location. Thanks for making it plan.
These are times when I have grudges towards the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Thermodynamics, just like any other physics law. It's always a buzzkill to our ideas! Still, where's my hoverboard?! Or a free energy perpetual motion power plant.
@just some guy tired of life , also fusion power, scientists still unable to make it a reality. They made fusion but it's a net loss again, uses tons of power to generate a bit amount of fusion power.
@just some guy tired of life Black holes dissipate so you can't actually make perpetual motion machines...
If we ever break the second law, we will be able to survive the heat death of the universe. Even if we only generate a few joules, that can run something. All I want is for us to break the second law, because then we'll be able to actually live forever, even if it's just digitally.
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I feel you bro. However, the second law is what got this universe from that hot particle soup to what it is now, and why we can create things, so we have to deal with it.
another amazing lesson, we learn new things we've always wondered about how things happen.
I remember learning this on the practical engineering RUclips channel
U look so cute aw
@@angelita6666 that picture is a few years old, maybe about 4 years
@@angelita6666 Creep
@@thereoc ur mom
Thank you for explaining it so well. I watched several video's on how to build a ram pump and they didn't go into the actual physics of it like you did. You made me understand it. 😊
Best video on this topic.
His voice lets you know how nice of a guy he is
Great demo.
The tragedy is how many people we’re going to see insisting in the comments that a few ‘simple’ adjustments will result in genuine perpetual motion.
Update: I’ve counted five so far!
Would the water evaporate or go outside the ladder if you left over time
Simple just have multiple setups and the waste water from one will fill the other, have the water run down a mill on the way and boom, power.
@@maryann2628 Evaporation uses energy - effectively solar.
@@adambrackston3471 The energy comes from the difference between the water falling to the ground and the water being lifted. Multiple setups just uses more water.
*"THERE IS NO FREE ENERGY DEVICE!!!"*
- ElectroBoom
What is the sun?
Not free, we catch and convert. Yet the sun is depleting. You get 'free' energy. But the sun burns, and one day, it will burn out. Same with the water, the water source runs out. You can catch them waste and repurpose it. You can re-add it to the original source. Now you are expending energy. In any free energy generator, their is a source that depletes. The depletion time might just be 10 years. You do not create energy. You transform it. For every volt and amp you get out, you lose it elsewhere. If youmdraw from the greatest power source of all, the earth, the earth also has a shelve life. It also has a limit to its energy creation. You can build more complex machines, add more than one law of physics together to 'negate' aspects of physics, yet you can not change physics, just manipulate it using physics. And all these complex machines you build, most likely these systems already exist in nature. Changing one form of energy into another and keeping the cuycle going is a part of nature. Yet one day, nature will have nothing left to give. Evolution theory and science combined. Nothing could not explode and create a universe if energy can not be created. If a planet or space or the universe is eternal, it would mean that energy is coming from an outside source. Replenishing what has been used. Natural systems might be eternal, converting energy in several ways that lead back to the original source, but wear and tear breaks the mechanisms of the system. Somewhere , you do lose something. Always. 10 000 years of energy. Which to a man that lives to be 80 looks to be free. Your great great great great grand kids will pay the price. But who cares about them right.
Sun will eventually burn out
An immense limited power source
MacGyver ain't got diddly on this guy. His knowledge is a treasure. Bless you and Thank you brother for sharing.
I’ve you dig down next to a large water source like an ocean, you can create a large flow and all “waste water” will be returned to the source. The water can be pumped to a large reservoir, like a water tower, to create a battery by way of pump storage.
This channel is absolutely amazing ! Thank you!
Wow. This is actually amazing. I didn’t know something like this is possible
And its missing parts to be perpetuel
The ram pump trades volume for pressure like so many other machines, including lift on the airplane wing. You can always achieve higher pressure/force by trading a larger distance/mass/volume.
Is there a way to use the waste water that comes out of the valve? Can it go back into the system?
Best short instruction video on how RAM pumps work I’ve seen uptill now
I love how you answered your question with the title of the video
The hydraulic approach has never appealed to me as much as some of the magnetic ones for attempting the impossible, but I think this illustrates how messing around with an impossible dream might lead to something possible and useful in certain situations.
but doesn't a magnetic pump require power?
@@roadstwotravel1539 Who said anything about a pump? I'm talking about a completely different setup, where you use magnets, gravity, and momentum, plus a design which disengages the magnetic effect at the right time... of course, perpetual motion is impossible, I'm just saying it's fun to play with magnets and things and see what happens.
@@TubeNotMe nothing stops you from combining all to hit your target
@@onekycarscanners6002 yeah, it is all for fun and seeing what happens, we all know perpetual motion is impossible. But the more stuff you throw in, the more fun, and sometimes it seems close, and maybe something interesting will happen.
Great video! The one thing I missed is the explanation where the energy (needed to raise the water) comes from. I think it comes from the potential energy of the wasted water.
like all hydropower, the energy comes from Gravity, and falling water.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropower
You're right. The water starts with potential energy, which is converted to kinetic energy when it travels downward. That kinetic energy is stolen from the wasted water and then given to the non-wasted water.
@@Paralellex I didn't fully understand til I read your comment. Makes sense now!
The PVC pipe has the windkessel function, used in early firepumps and also biologically through the elasticity of the aorta. It is used to turn a pulsating flow into a uniform flow, which is better for extinguishing fire and Gas exchange
Why are you always reading my mind its crazy, you're a genius, laws were made to be broken. Everyday, the question is with super fluids do you need hot or cold or Both ? Both. To make the vacuum. To turn the piston.
Would it make any difference if you used a different liquid, such as something more dense like oil or liquid mercury?
The bang you usually hear when shutting off the water abruptly is the pipe banging against the walls and mounts, due to the momentum of the water in the pipe.
Not an expansion and collapse of the pipes.
If you look at your connectors in the walls you will see wear and tear where the pipe will slam into the structure
Or if your lucky enough to have exposed pipes in your house you will see them slam forward and wobble around after the water stops.
Exactly. You can even see it in a real ram pump set up on a river. Same thing, the pipes will vibrate every time the waste valve cycles closed. And if you set up the pump and didn't secure the pipes then it will allow it to vibrate too much and you lose that energy into moving the pipes all over hell. Securing the pipes in the setup will give you more energy into pumping water instead of slapping pipes all over the ground and rocks.
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How does the pipe move in the first place to make it bang into the wall stud or bracket? The pipe expands in length,(straightens) then contracts, allowing the pipe to flex, his explanation stands correct. 30 yrs working with hydraulic lifts.
@@nssherlock4547 this 👏🏻🙌🏻
@@nssherlock4547 No. He's talking about the pipe shifting because of the force of the water, not "expansion and contraction". It can eliminated by removing any angles over 45 degrees or manipulating the direction of flow.
Perpetual Motion's archenemy is always thermodynamics.
Social consensus about physics aren't actually the laws of physics...
@@comiomano4163 there's always the crazy ones
@@comiomano4163 Describe to me the cosmos? Shape of the Earth, its location with the Sun, etc.?
@@podolsh Yes, that's the way Nikola Tesla and Einstein were called by society on their times. The genius are always "crazy".
@@scottydu81 Why don't you describe me how moon can be seen full and with no light by afternoon and shining a lot only at night?
Every single video still makes me want to subscribe, more than other science channels. Core concepts, straightforwardly demonstrated, in an approachable way. Thanks dude.
Outstanding video and explanation! Best education and explanation of the Ram pump I have seen on the internet and how a Ram Pump works.....
I was going to skip this thumbnail but saw it was The Action Lab, never disappoints, always has something interesting.
I've been looking to setup a continuous watering system for a tri-fold standing planter of my friends... Which allows for a low maintenance way to keep approximately 11-12 plants... Using the idea of a cascading waterfall... You're design... May just will be a key part in making that idea a working model!
If you make a ram pump you'll be very lucky if it works first time because they're very fiddly to get going properly, but the plus side is that once they're set up they can run for years without any intervention at all except for cleaning. I set one up in 1991 and it's still working with all original parts.
@@mikekelly5869 I'm just wanting to set up a small scale version that makes it simple and easy to water everything but only requires "filling up" from one point... Likely the hardest part will be getting valves small enough to use that will still function!
@@iancowan3527 Best of luck with it. Little 15mm (1/2") brass check velves are cheap and they work well if you put them in short lengths of copper pipe and then use bushings to connect the copper to plastic.
@@mikekelly5869 Wouldn't by chance have a part number to pass ago???
@@iancowan3527 What country are you in? There are different manufacturers in different places but the valves are more or less the same. I can look one up for you if I know your location (just a country should be OK)
Loved the video!
Now hook this into a river, pump water up hill, or even up an artificial platform into barrels which properly flow into outlets valves and through small water turbines running down to the water source.
Invest in a proper equipment to transfer and store energy.
You shut your mouff right now
The answer to every yes/no question that includes the term "perpetual motion" but not "impossible" is "no."
That still leaves some options for formulating a negative question, like "Will i fail to build a perpetual motion machine?"
I'd say the answer is "it won't work".
Perpetual motion machines do exists.
@@TurinTuramber Show one, just one. I guarantee you we can find a flaw that makes it not be one.
@@Llortnerof The ISS, Voyager probes, the Earth....any object in motion as per Newton's first law.
@@TurinTuramber Nope. Not closed systems. Also not actually perpetual despite appearances. They slowly bleed energy, Earth just will get destroyed by other factors (like the Sun going red giant) long before that becomes an issue. The ISS would crash before long if we stop maintaining it, it's orbit decays at 2km/month.
Something few realise, even deep space isn't truly empty. There's stray atoms at extremely low concentrations that will ultimately still cause things to slow down through drag or impact. It just happens at astronomical timescales
No time wasting + INSANE amount of conversation material .This guys is a legend and he knows .
What if you could somehow connect the waste water outlet to a reservoir of some sort that is connected to the main tank either passively or via a very low energy pump that uses less power than what this would produce if it were scaled up and the water spun a hydro generator
7:15 Water hammer and the loud "bang" doesn't happen because of the pipes expanding and contracting, it happens because the fast flowing liquid suddenly has to slam to a stop when a valve on the pipeline closes too quickly. Water hammer and the "bangs" occur in the bends of pipes and against the valves themselves. (I've studied this stuff and have worked at power plants)
Water hammer has nothing to do with the "pressure" it only has to do with the "velocity". That's why you get really loud bangs in pipes carrying high pressure steam when there is condensation, because the tiny water droplets get an insane amount of speed thanks to the steam, and the liquid can not turn as easily in the bends, which leads to it slamming into the "walls" of the pipes on bends.
Basically, the way ya worded it sounded a bit wrong!
Thanks for the input. I agree that the main component in the equations is the velocity since we are dealing with kinetic energy. And the banging sound is more from the sound of the pipes wiggling around than the pressure wave. But you can't really talk about why water hammer happens without a pressure wave.
@@TheActionLab err...you are splitting two things up when you shouldn't. the pressure wave occurs within the fluid due to the sudden stop in pressure with no place for it to go..no relief. they shouldn't be treated as two different phenomena. they have pressure regulators and stuff you can install to keep this from happening. should be no more than 55 to 60 psi in regular household plumbing
@@TheActionLab Np, maybe I'm over complicating the explanation... Basically, water hammer and it's bang is a product of the velocity of a fluid in a pipe going from *some amount* to 0, which in turn is a product of the pressure difference between 2 inputs/outputs! :D
I just got very caught up on the wording of the, (and I'm paraphrasing here): "-the bang comes because of the pipes expanding/contracting", when that really isn't the case (except for in extreme cases)!
What you say about how water hammer occurs and works etc seems totally right! :D
Amazing. I wonder if you could use this to recycle water used in a water turbine in a off grid setup kinda like a turbo adding more water pressure through the main line connected to the turbine. Adding small boosts.
You wouldn't be able to get any additional electricity from the water in any meaningful way, but you'd be able to conserve water, I suppose.
If you had 9 equal distance symmetrical waste valves coming off that one point like rocket booster thrusters then wouldn't it increase the pressure by WAY more but also require more waste water?
Possibly yes. A caveat with that system is if the valves were in line serially, their motions would probably break each other's cycle. If they were in parallel lines, you might have hope of timing them together to prevent backflow. Perhaps with a really controlled setup, you could get continuous flow in the way multiple pistons turn an engine's output.
I'd expect it to be finicky at best, with very limited returns for each added tube contributing to one flow. One line should lead to the smoothest operation and the most transfer without having a lot of help on timing.
An array of entirely separate lines, or just one bigger setup start to finish would probably be many times easier to set up than diverting the input water and bringing it back together.
Every day is a school day. Great video! Often wondered if the water pressure from an elevated rainwater harvesting tank could run something like this 🤔 Ultimately it will run out, but then it rains a lot where I am
I'm working on something just like this. Rainwater catchment tanks running to a ram pump to move the water to top of a gutter which then goes back into the rain catchment tanks.
If and when I figure that out I will add in a waterwheel/flywheel to spin alternator/generator 24/7 which will then charge batteries.
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@@Rizik1986 You'll have to share this when you get it working 🙂 I'm in Ireland so we have no shortage of rain here 🙄🤣
@@raynbow6 Absolutely will do my friend! I have set up rainwater catchment barrels already. I'm gonna build a ram pump very soon. I'm working on homesteading. So it's vital I get this sorted and working!
To repeat the words used by a late friend of mine, it's a classic case of water hammer. The loss in the system is the water coming out of the first (inline) valve. Unfortunately this cannot send the water it's emitting back up to the bucket. So no closed loop (as the builder would understand). This type of pump is often used where no power source other than water pressure is available.
I think this would be a great pump for my homestead in the future, thanks for the idea 💡
What if you made multiple of them in different areas but the next one catches the last ones water. Keep doing this until you have the last one higher than the first one then make the waste water from the last one goes down hill into the first one
Fluid dynamics has always fascinated me.
Great video. I feel like letting the relief valve from the pump drain into a bucket and putting the pickup for another pump there. Maybe they could both drain into each other so water isnt wasted.
If you're going to add another pump, be it manual or powered, you might as well use that pump to begin with. Trying to use two of these together in a perpetual loop system won't work. The efficient way to use this system is to source it from a river where the waste goes back into a lower part of the river, diverting some water to crops or whatever you're using it for. That "wasted" water isn't really lost, it's just not yours to keep away from the gravity that drove the machine.
This harnesses gravitational potential energy and uses it to pump water. The waste water that spills out is water robbed of it's previous potential energy.
It’d be interesting to know how much electrical energy can be created from inserting a propeller into a pipe of move water; in your waste pipe in the bathtub or the sink.
Assuming you have some sort of a river or spring, necessary for this to be of any practical use, you'd get more energy directly from the river.
what would happen if you sent the waste water into another bucket/ramp system that sends the water back to the original bucket? would be cool to see how long the system would stay running for
and on the way down, passes a hydro generator for power
@@CrAzZyTheCodingBoss That would reduce the fluids momentum, and offset somewhere else.
@@CrAzZyTheCodingBoss That is what I'm working on 👍🍀🇺🇲
@@Rizik1986 Same am working on we need a colabo ✌️
Just call it an indirect dam. So you don't need all the special license that goes with the dam you just return the water back to the original source without affecting the water
Imagine you invest in a massive tank with low rpm magnetic alternator like 120rpm. So the pump speed into the massive reservoir equals the exit speed. Bingo you good. A mobile Dam 👍
@@onekycarscanners6002 Hmm this might be just the ticket to make this happen! I been stumped last few weeks trying to figure out the next move. I wanted to use a water ram pump but it simply won't move enough water for what I'm trying to do. An alt with a small pump could work I suppose.
You loose more water than you pump. There is the pay off.
It is design for near river
No Power. Great all works with Check Values. THIS is GREAT for moving water up hill and using for storage or feeding farm animals. Your a WAY to get water to your house from a river. This way YU can live off the Grid!!! Cool and Great explanation. Thanks :))) Alan
Oh my goodness, this is a charm! Great explanation, certainly got me subscribed! :D
So theoretically, you could put another pump above that one and have the Wastewater shoot into a bucket then, another pump above that one and have its wast water shoot into the next bucket. Then repeat and repeat until the top bucket with the waste water is overflowing into the bucket below and you would have a perpetual pump!👍
Are you up for the build, the action lab?
I was thinking the same thing. Let's do it!!
The pump at the very bottom would be the issue. It's waste water is what would need to be pumped all the way back to the top
The trickiest thing about making a perpetual motion machine is figuring out where to hide the battery.
these are great for camping. you can also use a small low power fountain pump if you dont have a water source like a pond, small pump into the ramp pump and you have the lift you need
Before I even get started I was wondering if this would work for a fountain to power it's self. let's see if you help me.
... well the waste water is an issue, lets continue to see if this has been solved. thanks for the help, good video.
you could add tubes with floatiing balls to ad dinline pressure, once you build negative pressure in vertical tubes you have a pressurized system from down up
When I was in school, a student mentioned about perpetual motion machines so far at the time there
wasn't a true one, but it intrigued me
One of the best video of RAM pump, now I know how it is made of.
my father told me about this... he said "ram pump can be a perpetual motion machine... let's make one"
but i said no, it wont... some youtube videos are fake just for the views
i kept explaining that yes, it can pump water back at the top however just a little portion of water and you need to waste water about a half or more of the water returning at the top... so basically as you pump some water up, some of it will go out of the system, eventually volume will decrease over time and system will stop if the bucket is empty
and yeah, this video is my evidence now thanks
It works if you have a series of ram pumps filling in a chain from the discharge of the other ram pumps, you must have enough so that it can work long enough to get "charged" by the rain and therefore evade the final ram pump running out of water
It would be interesting to see how much you could optimize this process. As in if you can increase the preassure or remove friction with ferrofluid and magnets, evaporate part of the wasted water and collect it by letting the steam drip back down into the bucket from a dish.
Regardless, this seems like a great way of saving energy if you need to transfer liquid, as you would need to pump less mass through an electric pump.
what if you had a large pool of water as the source instead of a bucket , then you took the tube and connected it to the valve that spurts water out , ehat if you put that valve over the pool so the spurting water goes back to the pool and then the tube with the water getting pumped is curled upside down so the water goes back to the pool do you think that would work ?
@@AcVlogsYTnope. The outlet for the waste water valve has to be lower than the source, otherwise the weight of that water will prevent the valve from switching, and the water will not flow. Raising it is attempting perpetual motion of the pool filling itself. Without the loss of water at the bottom or gain of water at the top, (or both) this machine stops.
Lift your water source higher, raise your waste outlet higher, build a gutter running from the waste outlet to a container. That way, you can gather the waste water and reuse it or repurpose it. Add this to a rain draining system and a water wheel. Can generate electicity.
I noticed that your bucket is up on the latter. Why not put the bucket were the siphon is so that the water doesn't only go in the bucket from the top hose alone? Then there wouldn't be any waist... Like to see if it's possible. If I placed this setup by a lake were the siphoned water at the valve would return to it's source then the water wouldn't be waisted other than evaporation the loss would be minimal. ??? What do you think??? Great video by the way. I have seen several videos of this being done but your demonstration was fantastic.
Hello sir the experiments you do are really amazing and practical applications in daily life... Do one favour for me let's do small experiment
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Take 3 tanks of approximate 20-30 litres and fill them with oil, water & mercury in three different tanks whose densities are in the increasing order and set up tap at the bottom of all three tanks and campar their velocities and also compare their time required for emptying the tanks... (& Addition to that connect 5-6 feet pipe at the bottom of tank and compare it's outlet velocity with the case of tank with full of liquid without pipe)... thank you plz reply 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I knew why this wouldn't work but I there's still something fascinating about Ram Pumps and Perpetual Motion Machines. These things are great for pumping from a body of water to somewhere else due to all the 'waste' water.
I think you can make a perpetual water supply without using electricity if you combine this two system. First system is Gravity pump? By elevating a robust container about three meters above the water pond or concrete enclosure or spring water source (metal container prefered to avoid deformation during the vaccum). Connect half inch pipe with foot valve from the water source going to the elevated air tight container. Then connect a 2 inch pvc pipe at the bottom of the elevated container, a swing valve is a must. Few inch from the valve, put a reducer from two inch to one inch. At this end we need to connect the RAM pump under it so that the wasted water coming out from the RAM pump will drop back to the main source. So you can bring the pressurized water supply from the RAM pump to the highest elevation or to your intended location. Please try this.
Thanks for this explanation!!
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Cand se termina apa din găleata unde este perpetum?daca recuperezi apă care iese prin supapa si pui si o turbina hidro....posibil o baterie un sistem de incarcare si altele....poate faci un perpetum mobile. Nu o sa meargă. Intervin multe lucruri. Forța de frecarea, pierderi pe instalatia de curent,evaporarea apei si altele!succes! Poate faci un perpetum! 😉
When a kitchen sink is clogged the water comes back up. So lets just say for example you have a full sink setup (with the roof air vent pipe well) above the bucket which will have an extra outlet hole cut in the side of the sink to refill the bucket. So if the waste water outputted is instead inputted to just above the point of the clog (or now stopper/cap) in the sinks exit pipeline this should in theory cause the waste water to flow backup to the sink.
Waste water's potential energy from bucket is the source energy of ram pump.
Fascinating!
I could see this being used in pump-storage hydro power.
Probably not. ram pumps are very inefficient so they's only pump a fraction of each release of water back up to the tank. They might work as a supplementary system to somewhat reduce required pump energy but between embodied energy and cost of installation they're probably not worth the trouble.
@@mikekelly5869 What your saying with so much authority is so wrong. How can you say something that has a zero cost of energy production will not make a good hydropower station your years at Shell Mobil and Bp has clouded your thinking.
If you produce energy for free for 1hr a day what's wrong with that. You can add storage tanks to stretch it to 10hrs which is good enough as wind and use low rpm generators but you must be close to endless supply of water and return all water back That's why I call it a mobile Dam can be setup and dismantles as the need arrise
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@@onekycarscanners6002 I'm afraid you're missing the point. Ram pumps can be used to make a loop. It's not perpetual motion because (a) energy is added by gravity and (b) only a small portion of the water is pumped back up to the source point. If a tank is used as a source it would quickly run dry and if a water source like a main or a river is used to top up the tank it would be several hundred percent more efficient to run the source water directly through a generator and forget about pumping in a loop. Learn some physics before having a pop at me. Maybe try again in a few years.
Interesting. I guess this means that, as long as you have rain and a creek that's flowing, you can keep lifting water up, as long as you're willing to have some water "get wasted and dribble back into the creek." This then means that, as long as you have a 100-to-1 "continuous water wasting lift"-to-"downhill continuous flow power generator" system, you can obtain continuous power from a water wheel that is fed by a "top-of-the-hill reservoir."
I imagine you can get a valve to open (and stay open) only once a reservoir is full, and to shut completely once it's empty, using purely physical means (such as big buoys lifting smaller weights that are connected to levers and valves). The tiny "recapture pools" might be at risk from sunlight evaporation, but they could either be covered, or allowed to "top off" with rainwater wherever that was possible. Also: each level of wastewater catch basin can collect wastewater from 10, 100, or 1000 systems at the prior level of upward pumping. (Which raises interesting questions: would the valves then synchronize like metronomes? If so, would this stop them from functioning properly? ) Also: If all of them had a small water wheel that was hit by the water squirts from each wastewater pump, would the force be enough to slowly charge a battery array?
This reminds me of Feynman's commentary in "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out" regarding poor villagers carrying of water up a mountain every day, only to have dirty water run back down the mountain at the end of the day, where he talks about small-and-cheap pumps slowly-but-continuously adding pressure to big pipes, using small amounts of energy, to slowly accumulate water to eliminate that huge drudgery.
Something very interesting to ponder: Can systems like this be described on paper, so they allow the "idiot-proof" transfer of water over hundreds of miles, underground? If so, desert regions could be fed, given water, etc. (Perhaps water can also be pulled from the air using the method of the darkling beetle.)
As a final concern/benefit "if multiple water-raising-check-valve-pump systems are fed from the same initial bucket, and their check valves all squirt into a second reservoir for the next system, how many 'base systems' would it take to fill a water tower of x cubic feet, at x height, x miles away within x hours? Additionally, how much extra heat (and harvested electricity) could be concentrated within a similar water tank (and battery array), for showering and dish-washing? The value of this idea is in its "set it and forget it" construction.
A big hassle might be water decontamination, because any place that has standing warm water gets infected with brain-eating amoebas known as Naeglaria fowleri. So, "all water" would need heat treatment, UV treatment, and/or chemical treatment to get to the 100% Naeglaria-kill threshold.
The prior makes bringing high-quality water systems to the impoverished a very difficult task: their water systems can be free of Naeglaria and river-blindness parasites one day, and contain them the next. Additionally, with no reliable private-and-secure homes to go to, the benefit of running water doesn't get someone clean enough fast enough, or fed well enough without a refrigerator, to go to an interview or public-facing job in less than 1 hour, especially with a lame-system like New York's where one building's residents all fight for water at the same time. (The prior privacy amenities, by way of the NY analogy, are more important than water alone.)
We need systems planned out in advance, which waste absolutely nothing, and which are 100% modular. (...Such ideas can't spare the unlimited expense of brainless totalitarian "zoning" and regulatory bureaucracy which has an improper view of reality that places a high positive value on initiated force. I.e. "Saving the poor from cheap housing ...which would gave allowed them to find work and gradually save, become wealthy, and move to better housing... by keeping them homeless.)
It also like you put tiny water turbine to generate electricity then you bring electricity to the water pump to pumping waters higher level. no free energy just transfer falling water energy to push it up
Thanks for the explanations, this is awesome! I am curious if this concept could be experimented in a small basement pit (drilled in rock) that is perpetually flooded by a underground water vein? The goal would be to pump the water about 20" upper to evacuate it in a gravitary discharge pipe, hence reducing the use of the sumpump already present. :)
Clear Explanation, Thank you very much