The outlet must be sunk under water to prevent the air goes into the tank. The pump can only ork only if the entire system is air tight and air proof. Water in the tank must be replaced with water from the intake and not to be replaced with air. It is good if you add preasure tank (as per ram pump. Put bucket with full of water at the outlet and the outlet sink under the water.. Mind you, you cannot put the intake and outlet from the same body of water. The bucket on the outlet can be higher or lower from the source of water. Bigger outlet pipe is preferable to ease the siphoning and withdrawl effect
My friend, try this again. You didn't prime the well side of this experiment. There's stored energy if the water is at the valve, second the seal on the bucket has to be tight, third the volume of the water primed in the bucket has to be greater than the pull force of the water in the tube from the well down. That's what causes the siphoning effect and basically the bucket acts as a negative pressure chamber.
Yeah he did this very wrong. First, the pipe at the bottom didn't feed water back into the basin below to create an endless loop. Not overly necessary, but if you want to prove it can continue to pump endlessly, that would be how. Next, you have to have a complete vacuum without air in the container. He did a shit job getting air out of the container before starting. Also, he had a super small container for the volume of water of the siphon tube.
@@zoranpavicevic5710 It all depends on the mass of water in the tank exceeding the mass in the mass in the supply pipe. If this is the case, the next thing is to ensure a vacuum is maintained at all costs. The last thing is to ensure your reservoir and pipes can handle the negative pressure and don't collapse inward. Most pipes are made to withstand pressure OUTWARD, and that is our biggest limitation with this new pump concept. For longer supply pipes and larger reservoirs we may need to look at more robust vacuum container designs like old school archway brick designs to withstand the suction for longer distances. Alas, that's probably an application far beyond your needs... just to say, those are some of the considerations.
Its a combination of siphoning & vacuuming not only siphoning. The vacuum created in the container is supposed to pull the water up into the inlet. You are trying to use only siphoning so it cant work unless the source water level is higher than the outlet. You need to make the output tube much longer to create enough vacuum in the container when the water in the outlet pipe flows out by gravity to pull an equivalent quantity of water back up the inlet pipe to replace the water that has flowed out. Also you could put a one way valve on the outlet pipe to prevent air going up the outlet pipe into the container and messing up the vacuum. They also added inverted jerry cans vertically along the outlet pipe which I think traps any air bubbles moving back up the outlet pipe thus preventing the vacuum in the main tank from getting messed up like it did in your experiment. Another thing I feel the main tank should be big enough to hold enough water & high enough to create a strong pressure on the outflow which will also prevent air getting sucked up into the outlet pipe. Please give it another try with these suggestions and let us know if it works or not. Thanks.
suction is siphoning. much respect for you physist...😂 but the guy only taking about siphoning most of these systems don't work on one principal. they work on several principles. so to understand the science behind it requires you to understand and appreciate several scientific principles😅😅
@@tuchibigboy3178 The science for this contraption is always the same, but there are rules that this stupid physicist didn't respect, on purpose to discourage people, typical of the Cursed Ones.
You forgot the check valve at the foot of the pickup pipe. Also, the container used to prime the pump has to be airtight. This "pump" relies on the vacuum of water leaving the airtight priming container to draw water up through the pickup pipe much like you sucking on a straw to get water out of a glass. The check valve makes sure there is always water in the pickup pipe as you want as little fluid level drop as possible in the main priming chamber. Have one of these pumps setup to water my raised planters and the shelf planters under them. The prime unit is 55-gallon plastic barrel and the tank it's drawing from is 350 gallons. Another example of how this works is the old pool filter system we use to have. The pump wasn't strong enough to pull water from the pool and through the filter unit, so we put a small tank on the pump side of the filter unit for the pump to draw from. As it did so the air pressure drop allowed the water in the pool to be sucked up and through the filter unit to then feed into the tank the pump was pulling from. This allowed us to ditch the massive AC powered pump the pool came with and use a much smaller DC pump that used solar panels and battery setup to run. Our pool stayed clean with this system until a tree fell and smashed the pool.
@@caaip38 This video is excellent. It shows that a drum „pump“ can not pump any water to a higher level. No siphon, priming barrel or not, are able to do that. No input of lifting energy. Please have a look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon The drum „pump“ is an example of a flying-droplet siphon. The video shows that no siphon can bring any water uphill.
What I see, with the lid on the bucket it makes it a closed system, your demonstrations were all open systems, seem like this could make a difference. Just thinking :)
I've actually tried to build one of these water pumps and it worked great , you have to make sure the container is air tight and use a check valve on the inlet tube so the water from the source can't go back out. When you start letting the water out it creates a vacuum drawing water in and the check valve only lets it flow in one direction.
No, you haven't built anything and you're lying in your claim that it worked for you. It's an ordinary siphon. It doesn't matter what you place between the higher level and the lower level, because everything will work as long as the outlet is at a lower height than the inlet water level in the tank. However, it is possible to build a water hammer (water ram or hydraulic impact piston) as an amateur. You need running water, for example from a stream (it doesn't work in a well). Then it is possible to transport up to 0.1 percent of the incoming water by ram. If what you lied about worked, you could bring the outlet water back into the inlet and you would have a perpetuum mobile. Apologize to everyone you mystify.
You are losing your vacuum. Air is getting sucked into the bucket, hence the gurgling sound. You need your outlet pipe to be much longer with an air trap to prevent the loss of vacuum and a one way (or foot) valve on the intake so that water cannot flow backwards. Also, this pump is a vacuum pump, so the larger you can get your vacuum vessel, the better off you should be. It is the difference in the weight of the water in the vessel to the weight of the water in the intake pipe that causes the draw, in principle.
No, you're wrong. If the outflow is higher than the inflow, your "weight" difference is unable to draw water into the barrel. You must place the drain lower for the siphon to work. You have gaps in education. The drain pipe can be 10 km long and still the water column will not be pulled out if the end of the long pipe is above the level of the pumped water. It always depends on the vertical height of the water column with the cross section of the drain hole, which affects the pressure. The shape of the container, which is also a 10 km long pipe, has no effect on it and therefore it is not possible to pump water to the height in this way. In primary school, volume-independent leveling is taught under the name "Combined Vessels". The pressure in the small and large cross-sections, which is always the same, is taught at school under the name hydraulic piston.
@@DL-kc8fc This pump is not working off of siphoning principles, it is working off of vacuum principles. As long as the outlet pipe is large enough to break surface tension of the water and you put an air trap on the outlet, it should work, but it would have to be recharged after awhile. In other words, it is not exactly a free lunch. You are using more water to move less water similar to a ram pump.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 You've already written it somewhere. I have to repeat - you are wrong. It is a siphon and the siphon is a pressure pipe, so it works with underpressure (vacuum). Everything else (barrels, PET pressure bottles, check valves, etc.) are cosmetic elements that deceive you in third world people (to make it look sophisticated). This is best done with a long drain pipe that gets lost in the field so that you cannot detect that the pipe outlet is below the level of the pumped water. It is still a SIPHON that only works if the outlet (any large or small) is below the level of the pumped water. This is a physically proven principle that you have not tried when you claim that "it could work". :) The "booster" won't help either, because to induce the Bernoulli effect you will need 1000L of water to squeeze out 0.5L of water. Perhaps no one can seriously claim that this justifies the principle of fraud. This is a better water ram (water hammer, etc.) that "knocks out" one percent of the water flowing through the pipe in the stream.
@@DL-kc8fc I wrote that earlier when I thought it was a siphoning process. I now understand it better. It operates on the same principle a syringe operates by, but instead of using human power, it uses gravity to pull a vacuum which then moves a smaller amount of liquid. " It is a siphon and the siphon is a pressure pipe, so it works with underpressure (vacuum)." A siphon requires the inlet to be at a higher elevation than the outlet. That is not the case with this system. This system has the inlet at a lower elevation from the outlet. The siphoning function will not work with this setup. If there was no one-way valve, the water would flow out of the inlet pipe back into the source. However, the one way check valve prevents this from happening. So when the outlet is opened, water can only flow in one direction. The outlet pipe is too large to maintain surface tension and this breaks the vacuum, which allows water to flow. But if you installed a P-trap to create an air lock, you can prevent the vacuum from being lost all the way to the drum itself. So long as the water tank is a higher elevation than the P-trap, the water should flow because the pressure of the air is much lower than the pressure of the water. If about twice as much water is entering the system as is leaving it, it should draw some of the water into the tank. However, the tank will have to be re-filled by some method that requires energy at some point, so it is not a real solution to the problem. A windmill or some other form of powered pump would be a better option than this.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 Watch a video of another con man who seems to be working with a "vacuum". Under-pressure in a separate vessel has no effect and is only a useless thing that distracts from the usual principle. ruclips.net/video/apzpfcHnlEQ/видео.html&ab_channel=CLAYHOUSE You can see that the external pressure deforms the plastic barrel (from the internal under-pressure), but the water rises reluctantly. Why does the water rise a little? Because the height of the water level in the bucket under the barrel is higher than the outlet pipe (time 0:11). As soon as the water level in the bucket below the barrel falls below the level of the outlet pipe, the water stops flowing, even if there is any vacuum in the barrel and the barrel is deformed by this force with maximum force. It's a SIPHON. Do you understand? No "booster" will improve it.
Have to prime the inlet pipe using foot valve and install bigger pipe on the outlet to carry much water volume. The weight of the water will create vacuum inside the tank.
Sorry to oppose your view but this kind of system really works. The VACUUM force created inside the water tank air closed, causes the water to flow freely while sucking the water from the source which is literally lower than the exit or output. However, if not properly made the system needs to be restarted to let it works again.
It really works??? Strange that I see it only working in videos, I never encountered this system anywhere else. If this would work, you could feed the outlet back in the well and you would have a continuous circulation of water. And you could even drive a water wheel with it and generate electricity. A perfect perpetuum mobile! But haven't we learned in school that perpetuum mobiles can't exist?
Why keep saying it works when it doesnt? It physics. It will be the no matter how much money the scammers make from their youtube videos, it still doesnt work. Sorry.
Many commenters criticise here, that what is shown in this video does not replicate the pump designs which are shown in many YT-videos presently. True, but this is irrelevant. Laws of physics allow us to predict the outcome of experiments without doing them. And it is obvious that this pump design can not work, never mind, what dimensions of pipes, what valves, what barrels are chosen. If this pump would work, you could at once build a perpetuum mobile with it. Let the water flow back in the well and run a turbine by this water stream. You would get electrical energy out of nothing, without any input of energy, which is not possible. An exception: if the outlet is lower than the water level in the water source, water will flow by the siphon-effect, but this needs no barrel but just a hose prefilled with water. It is a mistake to think because there is much water in the barrel the outflow must be strong enough to generate a vacuum strong enough to "suck" water out of the well. It is the relation of water- and air-pressure which is relevant here. And since water pressure is higher at the bottom of the well than at the bottom of the barrel, a vacuum building up would first prevent a water flow at the output before it was strong enough to bring water up from the well. The final conclusion of this video is correct. *This pump does not work.* If it is shown working, you see a fake.
I like how the ones who are fooled by the video will argue that you didn't make the model correctly. ...The pipes are the wrong size, the inlet isn't primed, the water is the wrong temperature, the coloring in the water throws off gravity.... You did prove one thing. You can't fix stupid.
It works! I am using it for all my gardening purposes. One basic thing you need to make sure is that no air is allowed to go out. You need to focus on the pipe. Apply strong glue so that no air is lost.
Attention people in the comments. This is the kind person who doesn't follow instructions and goes out of their way to miss inform people. Don't waste your time here.
I did try the drump pump . It worked. Just do exactly how it was made in the original video and you will get results. You need bigger drum to build preaure within the tank. But, if you just want to show things not working you can.i did it pulling water from a 50 feet deep water source.
oh.. great! Probably you try putting some generator in the path somewhere. World will get free electricity. RIP foolish scientists burning coal for so long.. lol 😆
It works well, I have tried it back home and it did so well by using a bigger water tank and closing the top with a large plastic paper tying it with a rubber and it worked so well for my home.
What you are missing is you have to bleed the water so it is at the level of the inlet(with foot valve at the source's end) thus the water source would be higher than the discharge.
The problem is the buckets you are using. They are NOT, I repeat, they are NOT sealed containers. Air does come in under the lid. You also have to have more water in the bucket than what is being pulled (by vacuum in the bucket) and pushed (by atmospheric pressure outside) otherwise it won't make enough of a vacuum . The weight of the water inside pulling a vaccuum and the atmospheric pressure working together should easily make the water move, and nothing seems to go against thermodynamics as the initial energy input is the water flowing out, drawing a vacuum which creates the atmospheric difference that makes the water come up the pipe. Seems rather simple and obvious to me...
1- on start of the intake tube or sucking tube in water sorce U need one way valve. 2- U need a pressure "tower" like in ram pomp. 3- the "sucking" pipe cross-section has to be smaller 4- the length of output pipe is not less than 5 metres and then you are good to go ;)
you do not need any one way valve if the plumbing is correct lenght and air tight. submerge output in an open top vessel to prevent air from intruding back through output pipe. air in this system makes it fail. keep the air out and it will run till there is no more water to pull. i can lift water out of my pool 48" and drop back in. im working on a larger model using an air compressor tank . all other drums have collapsed due to MASSIVE pulling force created by the weight of the down side plumbing. the air getting in IS an indicator that the concept is viable .the fact that noone is taking the air intrusion factor seriously is the reason any of them fail. it works and HOW!
1- on start of the intake tube or sucking tube in water sorce U need one way valve. NO YOU DO NOT 2- U need a pressure "tower" like in ram pomp. NO YOU DO NOT 3- the "sucking" pipe cross-section has to be smaller. NO YOU DO NOT 4- the length of output pipe is not less than 5 metres, NO YOU DO NOT, JUST PUT IT INTO A WATERFILLED SMALL BUCKET. and then you are good to go ;) NO YOU DO NOT - IF THE OUTLET IS HIGHER THAN THE INLET. You will have no siphon effekt if the outlet is higher than the inlet.
You've missed the whole idea/system. It works in a closed system where a vacuum is created in the drum, not an open-top bucket. (This is 6th-grade science class, I guess you missed that.) It's actually a gravity pump, where the volume of the water falling creates a vacuum that draws the water up the intake tube back into the drum at a rate equal to the water draining out of it, but the outflow pipe must be bigger diameter than the input tube. This is what causes the water to be drawn up into the tank. It's critical that there be very little air in the drum for air compresses greater than water. If there is air in the system (bubbles in the draw pipe) it won't work. It is a siphon system. Oh, and showing a "Water level" is not an exemplary test, for both ends of the tube are open so atmospheric pressure is equal on both sides. That has nothing to do with the Gravity/siphon pump. Neither does your "Bead demonstration"
I haven't checked if WOT has done something wrong, but he is absolutely right that this system does _not_ work. If it would work, why is it nowhere in use? It seems to work only in YT-videos! And it would clearly violate conservation of energy. Lifting water out of a well needs energy. Where does it come from? If this would work, you could build a perfect perpetuum mobile. Feed the outlet back in the well. You would have a continuous circulation of water and could even drive a small turbine by it. To nice to be true! Perpetuum mobiles don't exist.
You should try again. There can be no leaks, there must be valves involved, the bucket must be solid (or it will collapse), intake pipe size should be smaller than the output pipe, output needs more length to generate head pressure, you need 1 or 2 air pressure/capture reservoir on the output side, and you need a 1 way valve at the bottom of the intake.
There is something else to think about. If this pump would work, you could at once build with it a perfect perpetuum mobile. Best proof that this pump does *not* work, never mind what adaptions you try.
Myself did it differently and it didn't work, until I did it properly by having a longer exit pipe and it work, infact if it starts to work the pressure is going to compress the plastic bucket. It works and I'm going to do it this time around using bigger drums and better fittings.
It simply can not work regardless of output length of tubing. A siphon can not lift any water! If this worked, you could ad a hydropower turbine to the water flowing back and you would have a Perpetuum mobile. Impossible. Dint spoil time and money on this.
It does work. I built same model with 55gal drum with 20 ft of output 2in pipe and 1in inlet pipe . set pump atop of another plastic 55ga barrel filled with water. I put the inlet pipe into water barrel, had air trap pipe on outlet pipe and reduced the end of outlet pipe to 1in like there example. I opened the oulet pipe and water did draw out of the water plastic barrel.
Thanks so much for sharing. Please people should shear their findings on Utube about any of those DIY scams that cost people lots time and money. I had spent 20yrs on wood gasifiers with no genuine result on Utube.
@@franklinibiademosi9615 Scam videos are a nuisance. As far as these "pumps" are concerned, the correct statement is simple: when the outlet is higher than the water level in the water reservoir this does definitely not work, never mind what you try with pipe dimensions, valves or other stuff. Water can't be lifted to a higher level without an input of external energy. On the other hand, if the outlet is lower than the water level in the water reservoir, it can work. But in this case no barrel is needed, it is sufficient to prefill the pipes/hoses with water. Water will then flow upwards and downwards by the siphon effect, which was already known B.C. But the downflowing height must be bigger then the upflowing height.
@@heinzpg but would't the drum on the top filled with water, and the water weight complete the circle? I did one just like in the videos but didn't work. All sealed, primed etc
@@mariusneumayer4419 This is a question of air and water pressure, and water pressure does not depend on the weight of the water but only on the height of the water column. This becomes evident when you connect a thin and thick pipe at the bottom. There is more weight of water in the thick pipe, but this doesn't push the water in the thin pipe upwards, the water level is the same in both pipes. Don't waste your time with this "pump". What the video says and what I have written in my comment to "franklinibiademosi" holds. Lifting water continuously to a higher level without an input of energy would mean a perpetuum mobile: you could let the water flow down again to the well and drive a turbine on its way. But perpetuum mobiles do not exist. There is also another plausible explanation why it can't work: if the water flows out of the drum a vacuum forms at the top. But this vacuum does not only suck on the water in the pipe going down the well, it also sucks at the water in the drum itself. If the outlet is higher than the water level in the well, the vacuum already stops the outflow of the drum before it is strong enough to lift the water.
Please try again. 1. Larger supply tank. The weight of the water in your supply tank must overcome the weight of the water in your wells casing. 2. Smaller outlet pipe, you don’t want air to be able to go back into supply tank. 3. Prime your apparatus of air before pumping water.
1) Tank size is more than adequate. 2) He shows that air will tend to enter the system from the outlet. You see tha water only comes out after a gulp of air has entered the tank. If you dip the output into a tea cup, no water will come out of this system. In fact, if the orifice is smooth enough, you could hold a piece of a thin plastic lid against the outlet. Water would stay in the bucket an no water will come out. 3) He primed the system: filled it with the exit closed. Put an ait tight lid on the bucket. With a bucket, there is no need for filling the suction pipe.
my father just fall for the "free energy water pump". I hope he wouldn't make one. If not he will just waste his time and things to make the thing. I tried to convince him, even make a mini experiment to prove. But he still don't believe me. He said, the glue not tight enough etc. Im so sad now.
good luck with the 5 droplets of water that the capillary system will give. because it will need a pipe diameter of around 0.5 mm and evaporation to work
I am amazed, you explained this very well, but still an incredible number of people seem to think this will work, without trying it themselves. It also seems after looking at all the comments that the overall intuitive reasoning is that vacuum is involved. It can appear to look that way I guess, and maybe a video explaining that it is not vacuum would be good (you did really explain it, but I'm betting people do not see the significance of your water level in the pipes demonstration), but instead it is low pressure on one side (supposedly vacuum side) and atmosphere pressure (higher)pressure) on the water source side. And that's the kicker; no matter how you make the device, if the water source side has a lower height than the exit nozzle, it will not flow. If you syphon water from a swimming pool, you can suck on the end of the pipe to give the pipe end lower pressure than the source end of the pipe, but then you need to drop the pipe end below the source end of the pipe for it to syphon; its positive pressure at the source that is the mechanism. Adding the Barrel into the system will apparently only confuse millions of people.
I would like to see you test this with a completely sealed tank. I believe the lid allows some air into the bucket. It’s my understanding that it will work if the tank is sealed which causes a suction, like drinking from a straw.
Hi, the fact that you hear the bubbling sound and that water comes out in pulses also means that air gets in via the outlet. If there would be a significant air leak in the seal of the bucket I would expect there to be a continuous flow, then air will not have to enter the bucket through the outlet pipe. That said, it might still be possible there is a small air leak. But considering the bucket used was a paint bucket, which should seal off well, I expect the bucket to be airtight. You are right that suction pulls up the water. It is however important to understand that this suction force is limited. If you drink from a 10 meter high straw you will have difficulty getting the water up, as you can imagine. In our case the suction force is caused by the downward flowing water. As shown in the video the pressure (or suction force if you will) caused by a column of water is only dependent on the height difference in the outlet. The suction force required to pull water up is dependent on the height difference in the inlet. In other words: if the outlet pipe is higher than the inlet pipe, the suction force created by the water in the outlet is not large enough to suck the water up through the inlet. Therefore you can only pump from a high level to a low level. And that’s also the takeaway message from this video. Whatever your setup: If you don’t add energy to the system, you cannot pump from a low point to a high point.
I can't speak to the 'pump' you speak of, but gravity water systems work uphill. I have a hose end in a stream and the other end in a bucket up about 3 metres from source. The run is about 300 metres so maybe that helps create momentum to push the water uphill. But it works.
No siphone can lift water to a higher level, impossible. Against well known laws of physics. Now if you have a ram pump down in the stream, that is another thing.
My friend think about a seal tight container and only opening being inside the water that must be sucked in by a vacuum created or left behind by exiting water that same sealed container. That vacuum inside a sealed tight container is the one that is pulling water up from lower level into the sealed container while there is an exiting mass of water on outlet. Easy and it work. Your analysis exclude priming, seal tightness and vacuum or suction pressure.
Perpetual motion is impossible. However you can make the pump work the vacume and flow rate needs to be better calibrated.. it may run for hours until the atmospheric pressure drops. It may only run until the reservoir empties or only work for a minute or two. Regardless it won't permanently run off siphon alone. It would need gravity to supply the source of energy into the system. Energy cannot be created or destroyed it transfers no matter how hard we try to lock it into a system that requires work. It's simply not possible. And that sucks.
Vaccume seal the apparatus properly, it will work. In this closed system when water exits through the outlet; a space is created inside the container. This vaccume space will have to pull that water from inlet to fill that space. Unless there is a leakage in the system where it would pull atmospheric air instead of water.
Having pumped out septic tanks in Alaska, I realized the limitations of sucking water from below. Also, there were differences in your test setup and the one I saw on another video. The limit is atmospheric pressure. That is what really pushes the water up from below ground, accomplished by removing air from the tank on the septic pumping truck. If the truck is too high above the water level in the septic tank, it won't work. If the height of the water at is highest point is within the physical limit of a siphon, this idea should work. If, as in your demo, air is entering your bucket, of course the demo failed. It could be as simple as air bubbling up the exit pipe for the bucket. A 55 gallon drum with 2" pipes at the drum, down to 1" pipes for suction and discharge (the discharge pipe was 60' long) this should stop air from getting in the drum. It must be absolutely airtight. A 1/8" hole allowing air in would be enough to kill the siphon. The video presenter said the well was 20 meters deep. Looked to me to be less than 12 meters. For your demo setup, connect about 2 sticks (40') of 1/2" pipe past the discharge valve and make sure you bucket is airtight, and I think it will siphon water out of your hole in the ground. The weight of the water in the bucket must be somewhat greater than the water in the suction pipe. Also, pipe diameters matter. Small suction pipe and large pipes in and out of the bucket.
As he said in the video the "weight" of the water isn't important, only the height of the watercolumn counts. If the system is airtight you can disregard the bucket (when it comes to siphoning) so you would be trying to siphon upwards (which does not work).
Tom, your insights from having hands-on experience are helpful. "...this idea should work. If... air is entering your bucket, of course the demo failed... It must be absolutely airtight... make sure you bucket is airtight, and I think it will siphon water out of your hole in the ground. The weight of the water in the bucket must be somewhat greater than the water in the suction pipe." See my comment here for some similar points, and for a link to what appears to be a working version of what he tried to demonstrate.
I think long output pipe helps with streamlining the flow and reduce turbulence, thereby reducing air pockets. Any any small air pockets travelling back to tank are being trapped into the traps and helps maintain the vacuum.
You succumbed to misinformation. You will never pull a water column of water of any cross-section, which is more than 10 m long, with any vacuum pump (not even electric-vacuum) !!! Write this down somewhere in red. No tank works on the magic principle you want to present. The air compressor that sucks the air out of the tank is simply switched on and the tank is filled. If the tank has a lower preferred position, the compressor is switched on to fill the tank better, because the shit is denser than water.
At the most basic level the amount of acceleration (force) is proportional to the pressure gradien(change in pressure over distance). Generally pressure is not conservative (meaning energy loss is guaranteed), but I think head pressure may be uniquely conservative over small distances. Theoretically maybe a fluid pump could circulate its own fluid, but the wall drag and cavitation experienced in real fluid flows would prevent this is practice. I appreciate you addressing conservation of energy and even going as far as to build the thing for people to see, unfortunately I'm not sure you could convince some of the people in the comments on this video of it even if you derived the governing fluid equations from basic principles in front of them
I think it would work, but you would have to recharge it occasionally. The outlet has to be twice the size as the inlet. So, either twice as much fluid is leaving the system as is entering it, or the fluid entering the system would have to move twice as fast, possibly some combination of the two. I think it would be closer to option #1, where more fluid is moving less fluid. Essentially, it is similar to a ram pump, but without the water leaving the system.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 Even "recharging" doesn't work because it's SIFON. The principle of the siphon is that the outlet water column must create such a low pressure that the inlet water column can be sucked in. This can only be ensured by placing the outlet below the level of the inlet water column. If you wanted to "charge" it with the external tank above, nothing would appear on the output. You would have to drill air holes in the external tank and then the external tank would be emptied, but the original tank would remain unchanged. By the Berllouni effect, part of the liquid could be withdrawn from the low-lying original tank, but it is only a ml of liquid, as in a spray. A water hammer or ram is more efficient - it can hydraulically "knock" to a height of 0.1-1 percent of the inlet water column, which requires some minimum flow, as in a stream (it does not work in a well).
@@DL-kc8fc It does not work off of siphon principle. It works off of vacuum principle. The outlet is twice as large as the intake, so more water is leaving the system than is entering it. This creates a vacuum that draws a smaller amount of water up higher than what is leaving the system. It's like having two gallons of water tied to one end of a rope on a pulley, and the other end tied to one gallon of water. Assuming you were able to get this to work, more water would be leaving the system than entering it so you would have to recharge the system by hand or some other method involving energy.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 What you describe is still the siphon principle. The siphon is a pressure pipe, ie it works with a vacuum when sucking open liquid to a lower place than the water level being pumped. It's SIFON no matter what other useless things fraudsters give it to make it look sophisticated. If you had a lower drain hole larger than the siphon suction hole, little water would flow out. As soon as a lot of water flows out, air is allowed to enter the barrel by a valve that is open for video purposes, even if it looks closed in the video. You were deceived by people from the Third World who used the siphon principle in confusing terrain. The laws of physics do not allow water to be drawn through a thin pipe through a barrel with an extended outlet if this outlet is above the level of the water being pumped. No magical things happen. If you add another higher tank of water as a "booster", nothing will happen because it is hermetically sealed. You would have to increase the diameter of the drain pipe so that air can get into it, which will allow both barrels to be emptied. Then a Berllouni effect can occur, which "pulls" a little liquid from the lower level under the pressure (this is the SPRAY principle). But at the cost of enormous waste water consumption. Therefore, I wrote that it is better to use a water ram (water hammer, etc.) in the flowing water of a stream (does not work in a well). It doesn't matter that you are wrong, because you learn by mistakes. If what you think worked, we would have had a water perpetuum mobile and no energy crisis in Europe for a long time. It doesn't work as you would like and no one has a Nobel Prize. Try to include this perspective if you do not have mastered the laws of nature.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 I can recommend a video of another cheater who seems to be working with a "vacuum" to see that under-pressure in a separate container has no effect and is just a useless thing. ruclips.net/video/apzpfcHnlEQ/видео.html&ab_channel=CLAYHOUSE You can see that the external pressure deforms the plastic barrel (from the internal under-pressure), but the water rises reluctantly. Why does the water rise a little? Because the height of the water level in the bucket under the barrel is higher than the outlet pipe (time 0:11). As soon as the water level in the bucket under the barrel falls below the level of the outlet pipe, the water stops flowing, even if there is any vacuum in the barrel. It's a SIPHON. Do you understand?
You need a Foot Valve (one way valve) to prevent air coming up the outlet pipe. What you are doing is, Creating a Suction inside the closed bucket that pulls the water out of the sump in the ground.
You are absolutely incorrect. Your experiment model was built completely wrong. Your inlet was the same star as your outlet, you also lost your vacuum. ruclips.net/video/BNso60SfUds/видео.html
@@daviddorshak8811 You're wrong. There is one big fundamental mistake in your reference to the video - the barrel was intentionally built on the bricks above so that the outflow from the barrel was at a higher height and the illusion of outflow could be applied, preferably somewhere behind the bushes. The bucket of water had a higher level than the outflow from the barrel. It is a normal siphon that actually draws an amount of water that is higher than the drain from the barrel. Notice that there is half the water left in the bucket and it no longer works. The pipe in the well did not really pump water because the weight of the water column did not allow it. The water in the pipe acts as a hermetic valve and is not pumped. Therefore, the barrel was squeezed in when the drain was released. This is perfectly legitimate, but it has nothing to do with pumping water. It is very sad that educated civilized people have joined the Third World fraudsters. These people should spread enlightenment and fight against ignorance.
There are specific requirements which have to be met in order for this system to work. This test was full of faults. 1) There must be no air leaks. 2) It must have a one way valve at the bottom of the supply pipe in the well so that you can fill the lines with water at the start. 3) The drum water volume must be larger than the volume of water in the supply pipe. 4) The outlet pipe water volume must be many more times in volume than the volume of water in the supply pipe. 5) The barrel size controls the amount of vacuum sucking the water, more barrels suck more water. This is simply a siphon, but the vacuum, which is created by the water draining from the tank, cancels out the difference in height between the source and outlet. In a normal siphon the outlet is required to be at the same level or lower than the water source. But the vacuum in the tank will suck water from a lower source of water, under one condition, when the volume of water in the outlet pipe is greater than the volume of water in the source pipe. So long as you fulfill these requirements then this system will pump water from a well which is 10 meters deep or less.
1) Agree 2) Not needed with a barrel 3) Agree 4) No, not if there is a valve at the exit or the volume of the barrel is larger than the volume of intake plus outlet pipes. 5) No, low pressure in the barrel depends on the height differences, not the volume. This excellent video shows that a siphon can not work uphill.
I've seen these pumps used in poorer countries to pull water from canals into palnted areas and you are right the planted area is always at least a little lower than the water level in the canal. the best I can access about the barrel, it is used to make sure the siphon continues if there is a case of the intake pipe getting uncovered some how. It is nothing more than a "siphon storage" so it would be ok so long as if the loss in intake water was no longer than the amount of water in the barrel. Good vid. LOL, some people need to take a physics class.
Thanks lol, even fictions become great inventions this days and better laws of visics are emerging. Just opportunities and scammer we need to be vigilant of. Cheers.
If you have seen these “pumps” working, they bring water from a canal, over a ridge to a rice field THAT IS LOWER THAN THE CANAL. They are siphons with a priming barrel. No siphon can lift any water.
@@franklinibiademosi9615 In regard to water and air pressure no better laws of physics are emerging. If someone claims that this device can lift water to a higher place he is a scammer. Siphons only work to make water flow to a lower place, although part of his path is uphill.
The magic works, as I understand it, when the weight of the water in the container exceeds the weight of the water being sucked up the inlet pipe. As long as the volume of water in the tank is greater than the volume of water in the inlet, and there are no air leaks, it will work perfectly every time.
@@tinfredrickson2880 It doesn't matter how much weight is in the container, it's still just a siphon. Water can only be pulled up by more water going down even farther. By filling the container at the beginning, you are adding that much energy to the system. At most, in a perfect world which doe not exist, it could pull the same amount of water up as it falls. In reality, there are always losses to entropy, and it can never even pull up the same volume of water as was innitially put in the tank. Unless, of course, the outlet is lower than the water intake, in which case it can keep going until the two water levels match.
Sorry to say that you missed the consipt of how this idea works. It's simply use vacuum inside the bucket with the help of gravity of the outlet pipe in the bucket to suck the water from the well. But something very important you should fix a rigged bucket in order to withstand the gradual suction that accumulates after opening the outlet valve.
Hi Burgandi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. In their video on this setup there is no mention of a one way valve.
Many commenters criticise, that the lid on the bucket is not air tight - or not air tight enough. But if it wouldn't be airtight, water would flow freely and not come out gurgling by air leaking in from the outlet. And if you prevent air leaking in, it still doesn't work with an outlet higher than the water level in the well. What all people forget who think that a vacuum is created which lifts the water from a deeper well: the vacuum also "sucks" on the water in the bucket. The vacuum which would be needed to lift water from the well is bigger than the vacuum which stops the outflow. Thus you have already a stall, before the vacuum becomes big enough to lift the water the full height from a deeper well.
thank you for sharing. you are a good scientist but the actual system you didn't try accurately is a hybrid of creating a vacuum and siphoning. so sealing well is mandatory and the total volume of the higher tank should be larger than all pipe Vol. this type of pump first relies on siphoning and when the volume of water in the higher tank decreases makes a negative pressure to pull up the water from the well. of course, the trapped air, water temperature, and well height are also important. I didn't try this but I am not sure about how long this water pump will work.
@@guyfaux1494 Since his conclusion - this kind of systems only works if the outlet is lower than the water leven in the water reservoir - is correct, his knowledge of science is quite good. What point do you claim is "uneducated"?
@@MrJeon-st8gu I am not the one who has to learn, my knowledge in physics is fairly good! The vacuum which forms at the top of the tank is the reason, why this device only works with an outlet _lower_ than the water level in the well. Because if the outlet is higher than the water level in the well the vacuum stops the outflow before it is strong enough to lift the water for the whole height between water level in the well and the top of the tank. And have you considered, that if this design would work and could lift water to a higher level without an input of energy it would make a perfect perpetuum mobile? You could let the water flow back in the well and drive a turbine on its way.
This is an EXCELLENT conversation for so many reasons…. But … 1) The total weight of a column of a fluid…IS….. THE…PRESSURE…. there is approximately 80,000’ of air above us….. and if we could issolate a SINGLE 1”x1” square column…. Theoretically , the TOTAL weight of all of the air in that 80,000’ column… is approximately 14.7 pounds ( 14.7 psi) …. So weight … IS … pressure… 2) the experiment appears to use an open bucket… the experiment should also be conducted with a closed bucket.. and…. The column of the water should be of increasing heights. 2) so the mechanical riddle…. Is … If I have a 1” diameter pipe…PIPE A… holding water….that is 20’ tall…. And the TOTAL WEIGHT of the water measured at the very bottom of the pipe is 7 pounds ( where there is also a very small outlet In a closed circuit , Is the lifting force equal to 7 pounds.?… And if so if there is a feed column INLET BELOW the OUTLET….( pipe B or column B ) WHERE THE TOTAL Water lifted volume ( lifted from a reservoir only a few inches below the outer) is 1/4 of the 20’ tall WATER WEIGHT… Could the weight of the water in pipe A lift WATER FROM PIPE B We all “ Know” that “ water finds it’s own level”… But this riddle tries to add a 4:1 “ mechanical advantage”…. THIS…. is the stuff of GREAT high school physics. A good riddle STRONG MECHANICAL INTUITIONS right and wrong… And a clear set of experiments. Extra twist…. We have a garden hose that I completely UN coiled… stretched across a field … you’re holding one end and an engineer is holding the other end….both ends are held at very similar heights and the hose is “ filled/full” of water. And the engineer SWEARS that there is 14.7 psi being applied to the end where he is ….. but water is NOT gushing or even flowing at all from your end of the hose…. Is he lying ? Or is something else going on.?
Well, there is one exception to the "not working uphill" in Herons watter fountain (cause another principle makes it TEMPORARILY work). Another exception working again on different principle is a ram pump.
This is just Heron's fountain with extra steps... When you think about it the problem it's actually super simple. You only have one force that acting on the entire system and that's gravity but obviously it's acting on the whole system equally so the water that's supposed to rise up is being pulled down by the same force that's also making the water flow out from the outlet. I suppose if you optimized the design you can make it flow for some time but it'll eventually stop because magic doesn't exist :D
It's a gravity/vacuum pump system, where the mass of water in the tank is greater than in the pipework and can overcome the weight of water in the pipe at a lower outlet than the inlet point in the tank! The vacuum requires air to be eliminated internally and a tank that will not collapse under vacuum pressure! Then the suction will work well and sure, I have done this myself! It works if you create an air-tight seal and rigid pipework!
Just found your channel, great video. I wonder if faking those pumps lets them raise money for real pumps? But there will be disadvantaged who see their "work" and spend what little resources they have on the parts...thank you for debunking. You may save a life.
It works. I have a working model on my farm. The point is to create a siphon in an airtight container while the entire system is primed. Your experiment lacks isolation of air from the system. P=Mgh
What you have is a siphon flowing down - the other videos were pretending like they magically siphon water up. That is what will never work. It breaks the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics.
My friend your theory is right now but that’s because you have both tubes at atmospheric pressure.. what allows water to be sucked is the creation of different pressure inside one semi-closed system chamber that as Air, and Air is what makes the trick. It acts like an elastic that pulls, when inside a closed chamber. Another thing about energy. There is potential energy stored in matter, in this case air molecules do the work.
A valve (as used here) is a gravity mechanism, sort of a "marble plugging a hole" sort of thing. I do not know of a valve that would work on the output, other than a shut-off.
@@Dingsrud Here to help out your buddy? LOLOL!!! You guys are hilarious, obvious, AND oblivious as can be -- but lovable... sort of. In other words, not too bright, but adorable all the same! I remember when I _still believed_ in all that science-y stuff like you still do. That was many eye-openers ago, friends. Most of it is pure BS, though. You will learn that one day, too, hopefully. Okay, so I'm done here. Yes, the barrel works if done correctly, and yes, you need a foot valve. No, a normal siphon can't pump uphill, but this isn't normal, just like a jet turbine isn't normal, yet works without external input power once it is running. Mankind has NEVER created a pure vacuum, so what makes any of you think we understand the subject well enough to rule anything out?
@@mariana1964 I suggest that you take a look at this video: ruclips.net/video/NiThJ9vUagU/видео.html You can see that no foot valve is needed. In a normal set up with the output lower than the input, the tank can be used as a priming device. As such, no foot valve is needed.
I saw a clip with such a pump and my first thought was, why didn't we come up with that in the summer house? Then on further reflection I realized that it would be the same as turning a bottle of water upside down. Air sucks in in the exit hole. Exactly what you show in the clip here.
The fraudulent principle can be detected on any scale. Many times, knowledge of natural laws is enough. If you believe it works, why not build it yourself? You're so cunning you don't build it because you know it's a scam. This is a compliment, not a reproach. :)
@@WOT_utwente replication and reproducibility... you did not replicate the other system... you made a rinky dinky contraption... 😂 major failure... DERP
I have not yet try this theory, but I don't think I see a foot valve and a air pressure from your demo compared to the videos from Learn for Life channel. Please try it again - with these items and make sure that the outlet pipe a little longer. It is very important for us from developing countries to know if this really works.
No foot valveis needed as long as you use a priming baarrel. For this to work: barrel and tubes must be air tight. Source water level must be higher than output. A siphon can not lift water up from a well. One should dip the output into a bucket of water to prevent air leaking in from the output.
@WOT_utwente i understand that it is a kind of siphoning going on (and yes I understand the principal off siphoning) in a direct siphon your explanation is correct. and i'm skeptical to . but to me the working principal of that pump is that it creates a vacuum in the tank. let me explain. one inch tube of about 3 feet long contains about 0.72 L water. if you have a tank base of about 1 feet times 1 feet, that would mean that a drainage of about 2 inches of water in that tank is equal to 4.5 L of water. so if your tubes inlet and outlet are equal then the pump would stop ( because of equal pressure). there you are right. but when you make the outlet bigger than the inlet. you would create a faster drainage than the inlet. what create a lower pressure/vacuum in the thank. what makes that the thank is forced to fill the 4.5 L(in 2 inches in the tank) that he drained, bye sucking on to the inlet of 0.72 L(in 3 feet pipe). what makes that volume of a drainage of 2 inches water in the thank is equal to the volume of 18 feet suction pipe. and there for it does not work on a siphon but on vacuum. your tank would not collapse due to the vacuum because the suction pipe will fill it up again on a higher pressure inlet than the outlet what makes that pump kinda work, if you find the correct balance between out- and inlet so you won't drain your tank . comments can be made on kurtstael@hotmail.be
Sorry, but you are mistaken. If, and only if, water level at source is higher than at the exit, THEN this siphon will work. And that is what he is proving, it will NOT work because the source here is placed too high, on purpose! There at two mandatory issues to keep a siphon running: 1) Air tight 2) Source higher than output. The rest are details. Length of tubes, diameter of tubes, barrel or no barrel,…
I have been watching this free energy water pump videos, but your test is not done properly, its important that the bucket is sealed so air presure will such the water out, so the presure from the bucket coming down will pull air, and that air will generate the suction it would need... also the exit pipe must be bigger than the input pipe... I am not sure if it works, but if not replicated properly is a very bad experiment... apart from that great video.
His experiment did not follow the siamese tectnik... Out put mus be bigger but the end of the out put must be same same saiz with the in put..so that the water never stop.. Then he never built the air trap.. It help the presure tu force the water to go out...
YOU DIDN'T ADD THE "ONE-WAY" STOP VALVE at the water source and have that also filled up with water to lock the air so that the AIR PRESSURE os built up in the big bucket to havr the vacuuming/ duction effect, brah. Please don't be so hasty to ecplain away why things didn't work when you actually left out one of the most critical pieces of the entire setup.
YOU DO NOT NEED ANY “ONE-WAY” STOP VALVE WHWN USING A PRIMING BARREL. There may be a lot of air in the bucket. He is proving that a siphon can not lift any water.
The first bucket experiment didn't work because you didn't have water above the inlet line, or a fitting that reached into the bucket, and you had no sealed lid. There was no way it could start a suction to the lift side as the water in the bucket was released.
Aside from carbon fuels, most of the world's energy is produced by "free energy devices". They convert forces of nature into electricity. Simple. And this demo is dishonest because he didn't actually replicate their device. See my other comment which explains.
And what about photovoltaic panels? They work well. They are dependent on the sun, but no official has yet thought of paying for the sun (so far we only pay for investment in technology), so it is free energy. :) Unfortunately, the water perpetuum mobile from RUclips is still fueled by the stupidity of those who believe in such devices. Because human stupidity is infinite, so is the free energy they worship in their religion without ever bringing functionality and real benefit. Just the perfect attributes of religion. :)
@@DL-kc8fc You're exactly right about solar panels ("we only pay for investment in technology"). Then it produces electricity. Or build project A, B, or C instead. Does it also produce electricity afterward, without burning fuel and without additional human input? Is that a free energy device?
The supposed "free energy pump" can only pump 200 Lts., which is the exact amount that was already "pumped by hand" by filling it up with buckets. So much for the "free energy".
Their setup is different, if you are going to debunk it you should replicate in detail. You forgot to fill the inlet pipe with water first and also the inlet pipe should have a check valve. Plus you have an air leak, it should be air tight. Just saying...
Hi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. There is no mention of a foot valve nor did they prime the inlet pipe in this video.
Your uptake inlet valve should be connected to upper tank lower to the bottom vs the top of it. Just as I was typing this someone else also noted its more of a vacuum and siphon than it is a simple siphon.
@@trone3630 well that would be just an extra so you don't have to bother topping up every time you start it. The idea is that the pipe dimensions have to be correct for the pump/capillary effect to work out. It'd be the same thing if you tip down a coke bottle it creates vacuum and the bottle shrivels by itself, if you widen the bottle neck it won't be able to do this.
Hi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. The size of the pipes we used is pretty similar to the one in this video. For the reasons explained in our video at 5:00 we think changing pipe diameters will not have an effect.
I think this may work. It’s not free energy. Rather negative pressure to create strong enough siphon in the chamber to lift the water. The problem with your set up is that you don’t have any way to stop the back flow of air into the chamber. This can be achieved by keep the outlet under water or installing and air chamber in the outlet pipe. I have seen several RUclipsr who tried to replicate this and missed the arrester air chamber in the outlet pipe. It’s simple science. The size of the water chamber will depend on the distance between water source and water chamber. The discharge pipe had to be long enough to sustain the negative pressure. Even if it’s not long enough the arrestee chamber will help overcome the back flow of air. Now you input energy in form of muscle power to fill the water reservoir. Use the gravitational energy to creat motion in term of water flow. This will creat negative pressure in the water chamber. There are only two ways to overcome the combination of negative pressure and gravitational energy. Either the water has to enter into the chamber from the reservoir or air has to enter through the outlet pipe. If sufficient negative pressure is created in the chamber the water will lift and enter into the chamber. However, there is a sweet spot for this system to work. Any one component out of proportion the system will not work. I will love to see you try it to find out for sure.
Basically what they're doing is turning a gravity bong (over simplified) into a water pump. It's not siphoning that they're using but a vaccuum that created inside the barrel as the water level inside of it drops. It's a sound principle in theory.
Sorry, you are wrong. It is a simple syphon. It will ‘“work”/gulp till the bucket is empty or the outlet is lower than the water level in the well. No mystery here.
i saw alot of those videos lately, they don't explain the principle most who works were pumping water from a river to a rice field and i think it's a siphon, the drum is for priming the long line to the field and i think rice fields are usually lower level than the river, and the system is only used to avoid passing a pipe inside the dyke or the embakment but one video of a guy pumping water from a well that looks like 2-3m deep confused me he used a transparent plastic sheet as a cover over the barel to show that water was being sucked and also, they use a no return valve at the river/well side, and prime the inlet line before opening the outlet line
It does work. I would pull this down as your experiment is flawed. Use a larger airtight sealed tank and reduce the flow on the outlet. The outlet needs to be longer if you cant lengthen it use a check valve.
Ok. With a check valve at the outlet the water flow will stop. In fact, if you polish the output orifice so it is smooth and plane, press a piece of paper against the exit till all water flow stops, then remove your hand, then the system would stay put. No water coming out at all! Try it wit a bottle. Suck it. Press a piece of paper against the neck and lift it out of the water, neck down. No water comes out!
Gewoon een sifon met aan het begin een keerklep bij de inlaat onder water en een expansie boven de uitlaat die een kogelkraan heeft en om te starten de sifon eerst vullen vanaf de expansie die ook weer een schroefkap heeft voor ook goede afdichting.
The Ramjet pump is a real "free energy" water pump. Granted, the energy is not mysterious, it comes from the flow of the stream, but it IS free in the sense you don't have to provide the energy yourself.
There is no "free energy". It is a self running pump, not a "free energy" device. when people talk about "free energy" they actually mean "free electricity", which a hydraulic ram pump (not ramjet, I don't know where you got that name) does not produce...
@@darrylkinslow3357 I've always heard it referred to as ramjet. Googling ramjet water pump brings up the pump. Yes, it is a free energy device in a literal sense. Once you build the machine and put it in an appropriate setting, it runs itself and needs no energy you have to produce or buy. A solar panel is another literal free energy device. How does free energy mean free electricity? Electricity is not even a source of energy, it is a carrier of energy. Plus, I can assure you a ram jet pump can generate electricity. It lifts water to a higher elevation. That potential can be turned into electricity with a generator.
@@tarstarkusz A Ramjet is a sort of jet engine used in fast flying aeroplanes. A Ram pump, is a water pump that extracts energy from running water and uses that energy to lift a fraction of the running water to a higher level.
@@kjellg6532 OK, I slightly misremembered the name. Sue me. Point is, it's a free energy device. It is free to operate and will operate so long as there is moving water to power it. It is more reliable than a regular electric powered pump in that it has no moving parts. There are 2 types of free energy. The first is impossible. That's where you put X power into a system and get X+ out of the system. The second type of free energy is free energy as in free beer. Everyone admits free beer exists. Free beer is beer you don't have to work or pay to get. Free energy is energy you do not have to provide, but which comes from the environment or some other non-human-caused energy. The only cost you pay is a one time cost for the machine. There are many such examples.from clocks which operate on slight temperature and barometric pressure difference to solar panels.
2 things to consider, first of all, siphon towers could expand already existing hydro power generation capacity at existing dams... and two if you put a pump on the bucket sucking out the air, the pressure will pull water up into the bucket... pumps that could operate on solar power...
Even if he primed the pump and had a full bucket. It would only work for a while. The reason being in order to pull water you need more pressure from the water being dumped out. (I'm exaggerating numbers here because I don't know the actual numbers.) But for instance you would need 2 liters of water to flow out of the bucket just to pump 1 liter of water into it. It would sustain itself for a while until the bucket started to get too empty to pull water then it would empty out.
I think..as higher is the Vakuum in the store as much more water will come into the store. The Tank has to be big and strong enough to create the vakuum and the backflash of Air from the outlet has to be prevent. Its right ...the Full tank will empty a lot to create the vacuum. It will never be the same Level from the Start. But you need enough water in the Tank and long one way outlet pipe to prevent the Air coming from the outlet.
You do realize that the water coming out creates a vacuum inside the container, right? The water coming in replaces water that went out. Both vacuum and atmospheric pressure make the water go in, and gravity makes it go out to create the vacuum.That being the case, your comment is useless and has nothing to do with this device.
@@darrylkinslow3357 Right but yhave more water volume going out to suck up the water then water being sucked up. There's no way to get around the fact that you need to compensate for atmospheric pressure pulling down against the water being sucked out of the bottom
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hi . Try using a 50-liter plastic gallon and close the lid well, perhaps with some silicone to cut off the air completely. And make the water coming out of the gallon back to the tank at the bottom. Silicon must be placed on the pipes as well. Do not use any kind of valves. Just try to close the water outlet with any kind of cover until you will be ready to start.
Talent.... Deep Analysis. Its make my country someone. And he claim its works!!! And maybe he is talking right... He advise its can work 3 feet , and use...... Inlet pipe 1", and output Pipe 1.5" and continuously working. Maybe Success . Im contacting with him , but now im busy another work. Thank you.
It’s entirely possible, you are assuming the water source for the pump is the same as the actual water source in its entire volume. If the water collected below the tank carries less force than the amount in the tank, and the source is isolated (ball valves aren’t motorised last time I checked) then I don’t understand why that wouldn’t work? Am I crazy?
Everyone knows it's impossible, it's funny videos to catch the views of some Thai channels. Nothing is free, energy always changes from one form to another.
I definitely agrees with you about siphoning, UNFORTUNATELY, you did not seal the white container (and the other parts where the supply of water will come from) after you filled it with water, WHEREIN a vacuum pressure MUST be created, that my friend will suck the water from the supply
ADD: considering also the SMALL white container, definitely WILL NOT WORK, a bigger sealed container must be used to create a vacuum (negative) pressure to overcome the weight of the water to be lifted from the supply
ADD: a LONGER OUTPUT HOSE for more volume of water that will create the vacuum (negative) pressure from the sealed bigger container CONCLUSION: very good vlog indeed for a very good discussion ...
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Look into the ram pump also called water hammer pump its very interesting
He has a whole video about the ram pump.
We indeed have a video about a hydraulic ram, check it out here ruclips.net/video/fUNicSOW46E/видео.html
yep, another source if some one is interested: ruclips.net/video/9NHVmOchAgI/видео.html
The outlet must be sunk under water to prevent the air goes into the tank. The pump can only ork only if the entire system is air tight and air proof. Water in the tank must be replaced with water from the intake and not to be replaced with air.
It is good if you add preasure tank (as per ram pump. Put bucket with full of water at the outlet and the outlet sink under the water.. Mind you, you cannot put the intake and outlet from the same body of water. The bucket on the outlet can be higher or lower from the source of water. Bigger outlet pipe is preferable to ease the siphoning and withdrawl effect
@@WOT_utwente incorrect. it is a vacuum created in the drum that sucks the water upwards from the ground level.
My friend, try this again. You didn't prime the well side of this experiment. There's stored energy if the water is at the valve, second the seal on the bucket has to be tight, third the volume of the water primed in the bucket has to be greater than the pull force of the water in the tube from the well down. That's what causes the siphoning effect and basically the bucket acts as a negative pressure chamber.
Yeah he did this very wrong. First, the pipe at the bottom didn't feed water back into the basin below to create an endless loop. Not overly necessary, but if you want to prove it can continue to pump endlessly, that would be how. Next, you have to have a complete vacuum without air in the container. He did a shit job getting air out of the container before starting. Also, he had a super small container for the volume of water of the siphon tube.
Right. He should repeat by priming the pipe connected to the water source.
@@HostileRespite Are there any restrictions? How many meters below it can it draw water?
@@zoranpavicevic5710 It all depends on the mass of water in the tank exceeding the mass in the mass in the supply pipe. If this is the case, the next thing is to ensure a vacuum is maintained at all costs. The last thing is to ensure your reservoir and pipes can handle the negative pressure and don't collapse inward. Most pipes are made to withstand pressure OUTWARD, and that is our biggest limitation with this new pump concept. For longer supply pipes and larger reservoirs we may need to look at more robust vacuum container designs like old school archway brick designs to withstand the suction for longer distances. Alas, that's probably an application far beyond your needs... just to say, those are some of the considerations.
I think the limitation would be atmospheric pressure... the ability of atmospheric pressure to push the water up the intake pipe.
Its a combination of siphoning & vacuuming not only siphoning. The vacuum created in the container is supposed to pull the water up into the inlet. You are trying to use only siphoning so it cant work unless the source water level is higher than the outlet.
You need to make the output tube much longer to create enough vacuum in the container when the water in the outlet pipe flows out by gravity to pull an equivalent quantity of water back up the inlet pipe to replace the water that has flowed out. Also you could put a one way valve on the outlet pipe to prevent air going up the outlet pipe into the container and messing up the vacuum. They also added inverted jerry cans vertically along the outlet pipe which I think traps any air bubbles moving back up the outlet pipe thus preventing the vacuum in the main tank from getting messed up like it did in your experiment. Another thing I feel the main tank should be big enough to hold enough water & high enough to create a strong pressure on the outflow which will also prevent air getting sucked up into the outlet pipe.
Please give it another try with these suggestions and let us know if it works or not. Thanks.
I agree with your analysis. I am planning on trying the same.
I agree. And also i think this doesnt work with smaller model because we cant also make water smaller XD
This guy does not know anything. Just a fool.
suction is siphoning. much respect for you physist...😂
but the guy only taking about siphoning
most of these systems don't work on one principal. they work on several principles. so to understand the science behind it requires you to understand and appreciate several scientific principles😅😅
@@tuchibigboy3178
The science for this contraption is always the same, but there are rules that this stupid physicist didn't respect, on purpose to discourage people, typical of the Cursed Ones.
You forgot the check valve at the foot of the pickup pipe. Also, the container used to prime the pump has to be airtight. This "pump" relies on the vacuum of water leaving the airtight priming container to draw water up through the pickup pipe much like you sucking on a straw to get water out of a glass. The check valve makes sure there is always water in the pickup pipe as you want as little fluid level drop as possible in the main priming chamber. Have one of these pumps setup to water my raised planters and the shelf planters under them. The prime unit is 55-gallon plastic barrel and the tank it's drawing from is 350 gallons. Another example of how this works is the old pool filter system we use to have. The pump wasn't strong enough to pull water from the pool and through the filter unit, so we put a small tank on the pump side of the filter unit for the pump to draw from. As it did so the air pressure drop allowed the water in the pool to be sucked up and through the filter unit to then feed into the tank the pump was pulling from. This allowed us to ditch the massive AC powered pump the pool came with and use a much smaller DC pump that used solar panels and battery setup to run. Our pool stayed clean with this system until a tree fell and smashed the pool.
I am building a swimming pool this next summer that will generate power for my home. I am very interested in your design.
Purpose of using a barrel is that you do not need any foot valve at the suction side.
he does not prepare the show very well, because he lack of knowledge
@@caaip38 This video is excellent. It shows that a drum „pump“ can not pump any water to a higher level. No siphon, priming barrel or not, are able to do that. No input of lifting energy.
Please have a look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon
The drum „pump“ is an example of a flying-droplet siphon. The video shows that no siphon can bring any water uphill.
Show us with a video!
What I see, with the lid on the bucket it makes it a closed system, your demonstrations were all open systems, seem like this could make a difference. Just thinking :)
We just did this, and it does work. I don't know what you did wrong, but we used smaller pipes and made sure everything was sealed.
it's the angle of the outlet pipe allowing air to gulp backwards along the outlet.
Please share the vedio
This simply does not work. Please give us a video of your claim. You have just made a perpetuum mobile. Nobel prize in physics comming?
@@alanhat5252 No, it's the lid not being sealed.
@@darrylkinslow3357 2:32
I've actually tried to build one of these water pumps and it worked great , you have to make sure the container is air tight and use a check valve on the inlet tube so the water from the source can't go back out.
When you start letting the water out it creates a vacuum drawing water in and the check valve only lets it flow in one direction.
Have you really? WOuld love to try it out too
I was about to comment about the one way valve. Good thing you mentioned it already.
he made it all wrong......
I agree sir. Cause its a vacuum type..not a siphoning type. 👌👌👌
No, you haven't built anything and you're lying in your claim that it worked for you. It's an ordinary siphon. It doesn't matter what you place between the higher level and the lower level, because everything will work as long as the outlet is at a lower height than the inlet water level in the tank. However, it is possible to build a water hammer (water ram or hydraulic impact piston) as an amateur. You need running water, for example from a stream (it doesn't work in a well). Then it is possible to transport up to 0.1 percent of the incoming water by ram. If what you lied about worked, you could bring the outlet water back into the inlet and you would have a perpetuum mobile. Apologize to everyone you mystify.
You are losing your vacuum. Air is getting sucked into the bucket, hence the gurgling sound. You need your outlet pipe to be much longer with an air trap to prevent the loss of vacuum and a one way (or foot) valve on the intake so that water cannot flow backwards. Also, this pump is a vacuum pump, so the larger you can get your vacuum vessel, the better off you should be. It is the difference in the weight of the water in the vessel to the weight of the water in the intake pipe that causes the draw, in principle.
No, you're wrong. If the outflow is higher than the inflow, your "weight" difference is unable to draw water into the barrel. You must place the drain lower for the siphon to work. You have gaps in education. The drain pipe can be 10 km long and still the water column will not be pulled out if the end of the long pipe is
above the level of the pumped water. It always depends on the vertical height of the water column with the cross section of the drain hole, which affects the pressure. The shape of the container, which is also a 10 km long pipe, has no effect on it and therefore it is not possible to pump water to the height in this way. In primary school, volume-independent leveling is taught under the name "Combined Vessels". The pressure in the small and large cross-sections, which is always the same, is taught at school under the name hydraulic piston.
@@DL-kc8fc This pump is not working off of siphoning principles, it is working off of vacuum principles. As long as the outlet pipe is large enough to break surface tension of the water and you put an air trap on the outlet, it should work, but it would have to be recharged after awhile. In other words, it is not exactly a free lunch. You are using more water to move less water similar to a ram pump.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 You've already written it somewhere. I have to repeat - you are wrong. It is a siphon and the siphon is a pressure pipe, so it works with underpressure (vacuum). Everything else (barrels, PET pressure bottles, check valves, etc.) are cosmetic elements that deceive you in third world people (to make it look sophisticated). This is best done with a long drain pipe that gets lost in the field so that you cannot detect that the pipe outlet is below the level of the pumped water. It is still a SIPHON that only works if the outlet (any large or small) is below the level of the pumped water. This is a physically proven principle that you have not tried when you claim that "it could work". :) The "booster" won't help either, because to induce the Bernoulli effect you will need 1000L of water to squeeze out 0.5L of water. Perhaps no one can seriously claim that this justifies the principle of fraud. This is a better water ram (water hammer, etc.) that "knocks out" one percent of the water flowing through the pipe in the stream.
@@DL-kc8fc I wrote that earlier when I thought it was a siphoning process. I now understand it better. It operates on the same principle a syringe operates by, but instead of using human power, it uses gravity to pull a vacuum which then moves a smaller amount of liquid.
" It is a siphon and the siphon is a pressure pipe, so it works with underpressure (vacuum)." A siphon requires the inlet to be at a higher elevation than the outlet. That is not the case with this system. This system has the inlet at a lower elevation from the outlet. The siphoning function will not work with this setup. If there was no one-way valve, the water would flow out of the inlet pipe back into the source. However, the one way check valve prevents this from happening. So when the outlet is opened, water can only flow in one direction. The outlet pipe is too large to maintain surface tension and this breaks the vacuum, which allows water to flow. But if you installed a P-trap to create an air lock, you can prevent the vacuum from being lost all the way to the drum itself. So long as the water tank is a higher elevation than the P-trap, the water should flow because the pressure of the air is much lower than the pressure of the water. If about twice as much water is entering the system as is leaving it, it should draw some of the water into the tank. However, the tank will have to be re-filled by some method that requires energy at some point, so it is not a real solution to the problem. A windmill or some other form of powered pump would be a better option than this.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 Watch a video of another con man who seems to be working with a "vacuum". Under-pressure in a separate vessel has no effect and is only a useless thing that distracts from the usual principle.
ruclips.net/video/apzpfcHnlEQ/видео.html&ab_channel=CLAYHOUSE
You can see that the external pressure deforms the plastic barrel (from the internal under-pressure), but the water rises reluctantly. Why does the water rise a little? Because the height of the water level in the bucket under the barrel is higher than the outlet pipe (time 0:11). As soon as the water level in the bucket below the barrel falls below the level of the outlet pipe, the water stops flowing, even if there is any vacuum in the barrel and the barrel is deformed by this force with maximum force. It's a SIPHON. Do you understand? No "booster" will improve it.
Have to prime the inlet pipe using foot valve and install bigger pipe on the outlet to carry much water volume. The weight of the water will create vacuum inside the tank.
Sorry to oppose your view but this kind of system really works. The VACUUM force created inside the water tank air closed, causes the water to flow freely while sucking the water from the source which is literally lower than the exit or output. However, if not properly made the system needs to be restarted to let it works again.
It really works??? Strange that I see it only working in videos, I never encountered this system anywhere else. If this would work, you could feed the outlet back in the well and you would have a continuous circulation of water. And you could even drive a water wheel with it and generate electricity. A perfect perpetuum mobile! But haven't we learned in school that perpetuum mobiles can't exist?
Why keep saying it works when it doesnt? It physics. It will be the no matter how much money the scammers make from their youtube videos, it still doesnt work. Sorry.
Sorry, does not work unless input is higher than exit.
Many commenters criticise here, that what is shown in this video does not replicate the pump designs which are shown in many YT-videos presently. True, but this is irrelevant. Laws of physics allow us to predict the outcome of experiments without doing them. And it is obvious that this pump design can not work, never mind, what dimensions of pipes, what valves, what barrels are chosen. If this pump would work, you could at once build a perpetuum mobile with it. Let the water flow back in the well and run a turbine by this water stream. You would get electrical energy out of nothing, without any input of energy, which is not possible. An exception: if the outlet is lower than the water level in the water source, water will flow by the siphon-effect, but this needs no barrel but just a hose prefilled with water.
It is a mistake to think because there is much water in the barrel the outflow must be strong enough to generate a vacuum strong enough to "suck" water out of the well. It is the relation of water- and air-pressure which is relevant here. And since water pressure is higher at the bottom of the well than at the bottom of the barrel, a vacuum building up would first prevent a water flow at the output before it was strong enough to bring water up from the well.
The final conclusion of this video is correct. *This pump does not work.* If it is shown working, you see a fake.
I like how the ones who are fooled by the video will argue that you didn't make the model correctly. ...The pipes are the wrong size, the inlet isn't primed, the water is the wrong temperature, the coloring in the water throws off gravity....
You did prove one thing.
You can't fix stupid.
His bucket is getting air from somewhere, he says it at 2:17
@@inigomoja5277 the atmosphere is full of air.
It works! I am using it for all my gardening purposes. One basic thing you need to make sure is that no air is allowed to go out. You need to focus on the pipe. Apply strong glue so that no air is lost.
No siphon can lift any water to a higher level. As this video shows, trying to make this a “pump” will fail. No energy input = no lifting of water.
Attention people in the comments. This is the kind person who doesn't follow instructions and goes out of their way to miss inform people. Don't waste your time here.
But your advice is no good. The presentation here shows that the barrel syphon are not able to pump water to a higher level.
I did try the drump pump . It worked. Just do exactly how it was made in the original video and you will get results. You need bigger drum to build preaure within the tank. But, if you just want to show things not working you can.i did it pulling water from a 50 feet deep water source.
oh.. great! Probably you try putting some generator in the path somewhere. World will get free electricity. RIP foolish scientists burning coal for so long.. lol 😆
It works well, I have tried it back home and it did so well by using a bigger water tank and closing the top with a large plastic paper tying it with a rubber and it worked so well for my home.
Was your water outlet below or above the water level of the water source? If it was below I believe you. If it was above you are telling fairy tales.
If you made the same experiment with the output higher than the source and it wored, i’d say you are bluffing.
What you are missing is you have to bleed the water so it is at the level of the inlet(with foot valve at the source's end) thus the water source would be higher than the discharge.
Noop, given that the tank is large enough, the tank will prime the siphon.
I don't even think you knew what you were talking about with this comment. Read it, it doesn't make sense.
You are the only man that i found in RUclips doing this experiment correctly and really understand the physics of our universe. thank you.
The problem is the buckets you are using. They are NOT, I repeat, they are NOT sealed containers. Air does come in under the lid. You also have to have more water in the bucket than what is being pulled (by vacuum in the bucket) and pushed (by atmospheric pressure outside) otherwise it won't make enough of a vacuum . The weight of the water inside pulling a vaccuum and the atmospheric pressure working together should easily make the water move, and nothing seems to go against thermodynamics as the initial energy input is the water flowing out, drawing a vacuum which creates the atmospheric difference that makes the water come up the pipe. Seems rather simple and obvious to me...
Sorry, but this video is to the point. No siphon can lift any water uphill. The lid is ok, the system is sucking air from the output proving that.
1- on start of the intake tube or sucking tube in water sorce U need one way valve.
2- U need a pressure "tower" like in ram pomp.
3- the "sucking" pipe cross-section has to be smaller
4- the length of output pipe is not less than 5 metres
and then you are good to go ;)
This boy didn't close the lid tightly. If you watch most videos the make sure air is completely closed out, even by using a piece of plastic sheet.
BINGO!!!! We have a winner.
you do not need any one way valve if the plumbing is correct lenght and air tight. submerge output in an open top vessel to prevent air from intruding back through output pipe. air in this system makes it fail. keep the air out and it will run till there is no more water to pull. i can lift water out of my pool 48" and drop back in. im working on a larger model using an air compressor tank . all other drums have collapsed due to MASSIVE pulling force created by the weight of the down side plumbing. the air getting in IS an indicator that the concept is viable .the fact that noone is taking the air intrusion factor seriously is the reason any of them fail. it works and HOW!
1- on start of the intake tube or sucking tube in water sorce U need one way valve. NO YOU DO NOT
2- U need a pressure "tower" like in ram pomp. NO YOU DO NOT
3- the "sucking" pipe cross-section has to be smaller. NO YOU DO NOT
4- the length of output pipe is not less than 5 metres, NO YOU DO NOT, JUST PUT IT INTO A WATERFILLED SMALL BUCKET.
and then you are good to go ;) NO YOU DO NOT - IF THE OUTLET IS HIGHER THAN THE INLET. You will have no siphon effekt if the outlet is higher than the inlet.
@@KevinFreist xB
You've missed the whole idea/system. It works in a closed system where a vacuum is created in the drum, not an open-top bucket. (This is 6th-grade science class, I guess you missed that.) It's actually a gravity pump, where the volume of the water falling creates a vacuum that draws the water up the intake tube back into the drum at a rate equal to the water draining out of it, but the outflow pipe must be bigger diameter than the input tube. This is what causes the water to be drawn up into the tank. It's critical that there be very little air in the drum for air compresses greater than water. If there is air in the system (bubbles in the draw pipe) it won't work. It is a siphon system.
Oh, and showing a "Water level" is not an exemplary test, for both ends of the tube are open so atmospheric pressure is equal on both sides. That has nothing to do with the Gravity/siphon pump. Neither does your "Bead demonstration"
I haven't checked if WOT has done something wrong, but he is absolutely right that this system does _not_ work. If it would work, why is it nowhere in use? It seems to work only in YT-videos! And it would clearly violate conservation of energy. Lifting water out of a well needs energy. Where does it come from? If this would work, you could build a perfect perpetuum mobile. Feed the outlet back in the well. You would have a continuous circulation of water and could even drive a small turbine by it. To nice to be true! Perpetuum mobiles don't exist.
Thanks, for your encouragement. I 've just concluded an unsuccessful one with 24litire tank. So I will try it again.
You’ve missed the whole idea. In 6th grade you learn that a siphon can not lift any water. And yes, this is a siphon with a priming barrel.
You should try again. There can be no leaks, there must be valves involved, the bucket must be solid (or it will collapse), intake pipe size should be smaller than the output pipe, output needs more length to generate head pressure, you need 1 or 2 air pressure/capture reservoir on the output side, and you need a 1 way valve at the bottom of the intake.
There is something else to think about. If this pump would work, you could at once build with it a perfect perpetuum mobile. Best proof that this pump does *not* work, never mind what adaptions you try.
Valves are not needed at all.
Myself did it differently and it didn't work, until I did it properly by having a longer exit pipe and it work, infact if it starts to work the pressure is going to compress the plastic bucket. It works and I'm going to do it this time around using bigger drums and better fittings.
We shall live and happy in this world.the wicked shall not prevail. For God is love. Thanks alot.
Thanks for fact sharing guys. Bravo
It simply can not work regardless of output length of tubing. A siphon can not lift any water! If this worked, you could ad a hydropower turbine to the water flowing back and you would have a Perpetuum mobile. Impossible. Dint spoil time and money on this.
It does work. I built same model with 55gal drum with 20 ft of output 2in pipe and 1in inlet pipe . set pump atop of another plastic 55ga barrel filled with water. I put the inlet pipe into water barrel, had air trap pipe on outlet pipe and reduced the end of outlet pipe to 1in like there example. I opened the oulet pipe and water did draw out of the water plastic barrel.
And how long did the water flow out of the outlet?
Thanks so much for sharing. Please people should shear their findings on Utube about any of those DIY scams that cost people lots time and money. I had spent 20yrs on wood gasifiers with no genuine result on Utube.
@@franklinibiademosi9615 Scam videos are a nuisance. As far as these "pumps" are concerned, the correct statement is simple: when the outlet is higher than the water level in the water reservoir this does definitely not work, never mind what you try with pipe dimensions, valves or other stuff. Water can't be lifted to a higher level without an input of external energy. On the other hand, if the outlet is lower than the water level in the water reservoir, it can work. But in this case no barrel is needed, it is sufficient to prefill the pipes/hoses with water. Water will then flow upwards and downwards by the siphon effect, which was already known B.C. But the downflowing height must be bigger then the upflowing height.
@@heinzpg but would't the drum on the top filled with water, and the water weight complete the circle? I did one just like in the videos but didn't work. All sealed, primed etc
@@mariusneumayer4419 This is a question of air and water pressure, and water pressure does not depend on the weight of the water but only on the height of the water column. This becomes evident when you connect a thin and thick pipe at the bottom. There is more weight of water in the thick pipe, but this doesn't push the water in the thin pipe upwards, the water level is the same in both pipes.
Don't waste your time with this "pump". What the video says and what I have written in my comment to "franklinibiademosi" holds. Lifting water continuously to a higher level without an input of energy would mean a perpetuum mobile: you could let the water flow down again to the well and drive a turbine on its way. But perpetuum mobiles do not exist.
There is also another plausible explanation why it can't work: if the water flows out of the drum a vacuum forms at the top. But this vacuum does not only suck on the water in the pipe going down the well, it also sucks at the water in the drum itself. If the outlet is higher than the water level in the well, the vacuum already stops the outflow of the drum before it is strong enough to lift the water.
Please try again.
1. Larger supply tank. The weight of the water in your supply tank must overcome the weight of the water in your wells casing.
2. Smaller outlet pipe, you don’t want air to be able to go back into supply tank.
3. Prime your apparatus of air before pumping water.
1) Tank size is more than adequate.
2) He shows that air will tend to enter the system from the outlet. You see tha water only comes out after a gulp of air has entered the tank. If you dip the output into a tea cup, no water will come out of this system. In fact, if the orifice is smooth enough, you could hold a piece of a thin plastic lid against the outlet. Water would stay in the bucket an no water will come out.
3) He primed the system: filled it with the exit closed. Put an ait tight lid on the bucket. With a bucket, there is no need for filling the suction pipe.
The major flaw in your design is a freaking lid bucket 😂😂😂
my father just fall for the "free energy water pump". I hope he wouldn't make one. If not he will just waste his time and things to make the thing. I tried to convince him, even make a mini experiment to prove. But he still don't believe me. He said, the glue not tight enough etc. Im so sad now.
They use closed system capillary action to suck up water into the drum with a one way valve in the inlet pipe to keep the system primed.
correct!
No.
good luck with the 5 droplets of water that the capillary system will give. because it will need a pipe diameter of around 0.5 mm and evaporation to work
I am amazed, you explained this very well, but still an incredible number of people seem to think this will work, without trying it themselves. It also seems after looking at all the comments that the overall intuitive reasoning is that vacuum is involved. It can appear to look that way I guess, and maybe a video explaining that it is not vacuum would be good (you did really explain it, but I'm betting people do not see the significance of your water level in the pipes demonstration), but instead it is low pressure on one side (supposedly vacuum side) and atmosphere pressure (higher)pressure) on the water source side. And that's the kicker; no matter how you make the device, if the water source side has a lower height than the exit nozzle, it will not flow. If you syphon water from a swimming pool, you can suck on the end of the pipe to give the pipe end lower pressure than the source end of the pipe, but then you need to drop the pipe end below the source end of the pipe for it to syphon; its positive pressure at the source that is the mechanism. Adding the Barrel into the system will apparently only confuse millions of people.
Agreed. The barrel is a priming tool so you do not need any foot valve at the source end.
I would like to see you test this with a completely sealed tank. I believe the lid allows some air into the bucket. It’s my understanding that it will work if the tank is sealed which causes a suction, like drinking from a straw.
Exactly what I think, also like cypher gas from gas tank
Hi, the fact that you hear the bubbling sound and that water comes out in pulses also means that air gets in via the outlet. If there would be a significant air leak in the seal of the bucket I would expect there to be a continuous flow, then air will not have to enter the bucket through the outlet pipe. That said, it might still be possible there is a small air leak. But considering the bucket used was a paint bucket, which should seal off well, I expect the bucket to be airtight.
You are right that suction pulls up the water. It is however important to understand that this suction force is limited. If you drink from a 10 meter high straw you will have difficulty getting the water up, as you can imagine. In our case the suction force is caused by the downward flowing water. As shown in the video the pressure (or suction force if you will) caused by a column of water is only dependent on the height difference in the outlet. The suction force required to pull water up is dependent on the height difference in the inlet. In other words: if the outlet pipe is higher than the inlet pipe, the suction force created by the water in the outlet is not large enough to suck the water up through the inlet. Therefore you can only pump from a high level to a low level.
And that’s also the takeaway message from this video. Whatever your setup: If you don’t add energy to the system, you cannot pump from a low point to a high point.
@@WOT_utwente 👍
@@sothaketh8929 "siphon", not "cypher".
I can't speak to the 'pump' you speak of, but gravity water systems work uphill. I have a hose end in a stream and the other end in a bucket up about 3 metres from source. The run is about 300 metres so maybe that helps create momentum to push the water uphill. But it works.
No siphone can lift water to a higher level, impossible. Against well known laws of physics. Now if you have a ram pump down in the stream, that is another thing.
You have to triple the height of your tank and quadruple the length of the output tube to prevent air backflow
read my posts. you are correct.
Noop. Tank is ok. You may extend the horizontal length of the output. In that case it only will take some lonnger time for the bucket to drain.
Quadrupling the length of the output tube won't make any difference.
My friend think about a seal tight container and only opening being inside the water that must be sucked in by a vacuum created or left behind by exiting water that same sealed container. That vacuum inside a sealed tight container is the one that is pulling water up from lower level into the sealed container while there is an exiting mass of water on outlet. Easy and it work. Your analysis exclude priming, seal tightness and vacuum or suction pressure.
The video shows that this set up can not pump water uphill. No siphon can do that. Excellent video.
Perpetual motion is impossible. However you can make the pump work the vacume and flow rate needs to be better calibrated.. it may run for hours until the atmospheric pressure drops. It may only run until the reservoir empties or only work for a minute or two. Regardless it won't permanently run off siphon alone. It would need gravity to supply the source of energy into the system. Energy cannot be created or destroyed it transfers no matter how hard we try to lock it into a system that requires work. It's simply not possible. And that sucks.
Perpetual motion is not impossible, the rotation of the planets is just one example…
Vaccume seal the apparatus properly, it will work. In this closed system when water exits through the outlet; a space is created inside the container. This vaccume space will have to pull that water from inlet to fill that space. Unless there is a leakage in the system where it would pull atmospheric air instead of water.
Having pumped out septic tanks in Alaska, I realized the limitations of sucking water from below. Also, there were differences in your test setup and the one I saw on another video. The limit is atmospheric pressure. That is what really pushes the water up from below ground, accomplished by removing air from the tank on the septic pumping truck. If the truck is too high above the water level in the septic tank, it won't work. If the height of the water at is highest point is within the physical limit of a siphon, this idea should work. If, as in your demo, air is entering your bucket, of course the demo failed. It could be as simple as air bubbling up the exit pipe for the bucket. A 55 gallon drum with 2" pipes at the drum, down to 1" pipes for suction and discharge (the discharge pipe was 60' long) this should stop air from getting in the drum. It must be absolutely airtight. A 1/8" hole allowing air in would be enough to kill the siphon. The video presenter said the well was 20 meters deep. Looked to me to be less than 12 meters. For your demo setup, connect about 2 sticks (40') of 1/2" pipe past the discharge valve and make sure you bucket is airtight, and I think it will siphon water out of your hole in the ground. The weight of the water in the bucket must be somewhat greater than the water in the suction pipe. Also, pipe diameters matter. Small suction pipe and large pipes in and out of the bucket.
As he said in the video the "weight" of the water isn't important, only the height of the watercolumn counts. If the system is airtight you can disregard the bucket (when it comes to siphoning) so you would be trying to siphon upwards (which does not work).
Tom, your insights from having hands-on experience are helpful. "...this idea should work. If... air is entering your bucket, of course the demo failed... It must be absolutely airtight... make sure you bucket is airtight, and I think it will siphon water out of your hole in the ground. The weight of the water in the bucket must be somewhat greater than the water in the suction pipe." See my comment here for some similar points, and for a link to what appears to be a working version of what he tried to demonstrate.
I think long output pipe helps with streamlining the flow and reduce turbulence, thereby reducing air pockets. Any any small air pockets travelling back to tank are being trapped into the traps and helps maintain the vacuum.
You succumbed to misinformation. You will never pull a water column of water of any cross-section, which is more than 10 m long, with any vacuum pump (not even electric-vacuum) !!! Write this down somewhere in red. No tank works on the magic principle you want to present. The air compressor that sucks the air out of the tank is simply switched on and the tank is filled. If the tank has a lower preferred position, the compressor is switched on to fill the tank better, because the shit is denser than water.
Cheers, lol.
Longer outlet pipe as the glugging sound was air bubbles being sucked up the inlet... just an observation.
At the most basic level the amount of acceleration (force) is proportional to the pressure gradien(change in pressure over distance). Generally pressure is not conservative (meaning energy loss is guaranteed), but I think head pressure may be uniquely conservative over small distances. Theoretically maybe a fluid pump could circulate its own fluid, but the wall drag and cavitation experienced in real fluid flows would prevent this is practice. I appreciate you addressing conservation of energy and even going as far as to build the thing for people to see, unfortunately I'm not sure you could convince some of the people in the comments on this video of it even if you derived the governing fluid equations from basic principles in front of them
I think it would work, but you would have to recharge it occasionally. The outlet has to be twice the size as the inlet. So, either twice as much fluid is leaving the system as is entering it, or the fluid entering the system would have to move twice as fast, possibly some combination of the two. I think it would be closer to option #1, where more fluid is moving less fluid. Essentially, it is similar to a ram pump, but without the water leaving the system.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 Even "recharging" doesn't work because it's SIFON. The principle of the siphon is that the outlet water column must create such a low pressure that the inlet water column can be sucked in. This can only be ensured by placing the outlet below the level of the inlet water column. If you wanted to "charge" it with the external tank above, nothing would appear on the output. You would have to drill air holes in the external tank and then the external tank would be emptied, but the original tank would remain unchanged. By the Berllouni effect, part of the liquid could be withdrawn from the low-lying original tank, but it is only a ml of liquid, as in a spray. A water hammer or ram is more efficient - it can hydraulically "knock" to a height of 0.1-1 percent of the inlet water column, which requires some minimum flow, as in a stream (it does not work in a well).
@@DL-kc8fc It does not work off of siphon principle. It works off of vacuum principle. The outlet is twice as large as the intake, so more water is leaving the system than is entering it. This creates a vacuum that draws a smaller amount of water up higher than what is leaving the system. It's like having two gallons of water tied to one end of a rope on a pulley, and the other end tied to one gallon of water. Assuming you were able to get this to work, more water would be leaving the system than entering it so you would have to recharge the system by hand or some other method involving energy.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 What you describe is still the siphon principle. The siphon is a pressure pipe, ie it works with a vacuum when sucking open liquid to a lower place than the water level being pumped. It's SIFON no matter what other useless things fraudsters give it to make it look sophisticated. If you had a lower drain hole larger than the siphon suction hole, little water would flow out. As soon as a lot of water flows out, air is allowed to enter the barrel by a valve that is open for video purposes, even if it looks closed in the video. You were deceived by people from the Third World who used the siphon principle in confusing terrain. The laws of physics do not allow water to be drawn through a thin pipe through a barrel with an extended outlet if this outlet is above the level of the water being pumped. No magical things happen. If you add another higher tank of water as a "booster", nothing will happen because it is hermetically sealed. You would have to increase the diameter of the drain pipe so that air can get into it, which will allow both barrels to be emptied. Then a Berllouni effect can occur, which "pulls" a little liquid from the lower level under the pressure (this is the SPRAY principle). But at the cost of enormous waste water consumption. Therefore, I wrote that it is better to use a water ram (water hammer, etc.) in the flowing water of a stream (does not work in a well). It doesn't matter that you are wrong, because you learn by mistakes. If what you think worked, we would have had a water perpetuum mobile and no energy crisis in Europe for a long time. It doesn't work as you would like and no one has a Nobel Prize. Try to include this perspective if you do not have mastered the laws of nature.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 I can recommend a video of another cheater who seems to be working with a "vacuum" to see that under-pressure in a separate container has no effect and is just a useless thing.
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You can see that the external pressure deforms the plastic barrel (from the internal under-pressure), but the water rises reluctantly. Why does the water rise a little? Because the height of the water level in the bucket under the barrel is higher than the outlet pipe (time 0:11). As soon as the water level in the bucket under the barrel falls below the level of the outlet pipe, the water stops flowing, even if there is any vacuum in the barrel. It's a SIPHON. Do you understand?
You need a Foot Valve (one way valve) to prevent air coming up the outlet pipe. What you are doing is, Creating a Suction inside the closed bucket that pulls the water out of the sump in the ground.
No one way valve is needed in a siphon, but the input must be higher than the output.
What a great video! The use of all demonstration models really clarifies a lot!
Hi Collin, thanks! Glad you liked it.
You are absolutely incorrect. Your experiment model was built completely wrong. Your inlet was the same star as your outlet, you also lost your vacuum.
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@@daviddorshak8811 You're wrong. There is one big fundamental mistake in your reference to the video - the barrel was intentionally built on the bricks above so that the outflow from the barrel was at a higher height and the illusion of outflow could be applied, preferably somewhere behind the bushes. The bucket of water had a higher level than the outflow from the barrel. It is a normal siphon that actually draws an amount of water that is higher than the drain from the barrel. Notice that there is half the water left in the bucket and it no longer works. The pipe in the well did not really pump water because the weight of the water column did not allow it. The water in the pipe acts as a hermetic valve and is not pumped. Therefore, the barrel was squeezed in when the drain was released. This is perfectly legitimate, but it has nothing to do with pumping water. It is very sad that educated civilized people have joined the Third World fraudsters. These people should spread enlightenment and fight against ignorance.
There are specific requirements which have to be met in order for this system to work. This test was full of faults.
1) There must be no air leaks.
2) It must have a one way valve at the bottom of the supply pipe in the well so that you can fill the lines with water at the start.
3) The drum water volume must be larger than the volume of water in the supply pipe.
4) The outlet pipe water volume must be many more times in volume than the volume of water in the supply pipe.
5) The barrel size controls the amount of vacuum sucking the water, more barrels suck more water.
This is simply a siphon, but the vacuum, which is created by the water draining from the tank, cancels out the difference in height between the source and outlet. In a normal siphon the outlet is required to be at the same level or lower than the water source. But the vacuum in the tank will suck water from a lower source of water, under one condition, when the volume of water in the outlet pipe is greater than the volume of water in the source pipe. So long as you fulfill these requirements then this system will pump water from a well which is 10 meters deep or less.
1) Agree
2) Not needed with a barrel
3) Agree
4) No, not if there is a valve at the exit or the volume of the barrel is larger than the volume of intake plus outlet pipes.
5) No, low pressure in the barrel depends on the height differences, not the volume.
This excellent video shows that a siphon can not work uphill.
I've seen these pumps used in poorer countries to pull water from canals into palnted areas and you are right the planted area is always at least a little lower than the water level in the canal. the best I can access about the barrel, it is used to make sure the siphon continues if there is a case of the intake pipe getting uncovered some how. It is nothing more than a "siphon storage" so it would be ok so long as if the loss in intake water was no longer than the amount of water in the barrel. Good vid. LOL, some people need to take a physics class.
Thanks lol, even fictions become great inventions this days and better laws of visics are emerging. Just opportunities and scammer we need to be vigilant of. Cheers.
If you have seen these “pumps” working, they bring water from a canal, over a ridge to a rice field THAT IS LOWER THAN THE CANAL. They are siphons with a priming barrel. No siphon can lift any water.
@@franklinibiademosi9615 In regard to water and air pressure no better laws of physics are emerging. If someone claims that this device can lift water to a higher place he is a scammer. Siphons only work to make water flow to a lower place, although part of his path is uphill.
The magic works, as I understand it, when the weight of the water in the container exceeds the weight of the water being sucked up the inlet pipe. As long as the volume of water in the tank is greater than the volume of water in the inlet, and there are no air leaks, it will work perfectly every time.
@@tinfredrickson2880 It doesn't matter how much weight is in the container, it's still just a siphon. Water can only be pulled up by more water going down even farther. By filling the container at the beginning, you are adding that much energy to the system. At most, in a perfect world which doe not exist, it could pull the same amount of water up as it falls. In reality, there are always losses to entropy, and it can never even pull up the same volume of water as was innitially put in the tank. Unless, of course, the outlet is lower than the water intake, in which case it can keep going until the two water levels match.
Sorry to say that you missed the consipt of how this idea works. It's simply use vacuum inside the bucket with the help of gravity of the outlet pipe in the bucket to suck the water from the well. But something very important you should fix a rigged bucket in order to withstand the gradual suction that accumulates after opening the outlet valve.
This excellent video shows that no siphon can lift any water to a higher level. The bucket used here is perfectly ok.
You forgot the one way valve on the end of the suction pipe try it again with it
Hi Burgandi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. In their video on this setup there is no mention of a one way valve.
Many commenters criticise, that the lid on the bucket is not air tight - or not air tight enough. But if it wouldn't be airtight, water would flow freely and not come out gurgling by air leaking in from the outlet. And if you prevent air leaking in, it still doesn't work with an outlet higher than the water level in the well. What all people forget who think that a vacuum is created which lifts the water from a deeper well: the vacuum also "sucks" on the water in the bucket. The vacuum which would be needed to lift water from the well is bigger than the vacuum which stops the outflow. Thus you have already a stall, before the vacuum becomes big enough to lift the water the full height from a deeper well.
thank you for sharing. you are a good scientist but the actual system you didn't try accurately is a hybrid of creating a vacuum and siphoning. so sealing well is mandatory and the total volume of the higher tank should be larger than all pipe Vol. this type of pump first relies on siphoning and when the volume of water in the higher tank decreases makes a negative pressure to pull up the water from the well. of course, the trapped air, water temperature, and well height are also important. I didn't try this but I am not sure about how long this water pump will work.
NO, he's not a "good" scientist. His foundation understanding is uneducated.
@@guyfaux1494 Since his conclusion - this kind of systems only works if the outlet is lower than the water leven in the water reservoir - is correct, his knowledge of science is quite good. What point do you claim is "uneducated"?
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@@MrJeon-st8gu I am not the one who has to learn, my knowledge in physics is fairly good! The vacuum which forms at the top of the tank is the reason, why this device only works with an outlet _lower_ than the water level in the well. Because if the outlet is higher than the water level in the well the vacuum stops the outflow before it is strong enough to lift the water for the whole height between water level in the well and the top of the tank. And have you considered, that if this design would work and could lift water to a higher level without an input of energy it would make a perfect perpetuum mobile? You could let the water flow back in the well and drive a turbine on its way.
This is an EXCELLENT conversation for so many reasons….
But …
1) The total weight of a column of a fluid…IS….. THE…PRESSURE….
there is approximately 80,000’ of air above us….. and if we could issolate a SINGLE 1”x1” square column…. Theoretically , the TOTAL weight of all of the air in that 80,000’ column… is approximately 14.7 pounds ( 14.7 psi) …. So weight … IS … pressure…
2) the experiment appears to use an open bucket… the experiment should also be conducted with a closed bucket..
and…. The column of the water should be of increasing heights.
2) so the mechanical riddle…. Is … If I have a 1” diameter pipe…PIPE A… holding water….that is 20’ tall…. And the TOTAL WEIGHT of the water measured at the very bottom of the pipe is 7 pounds ( where there is also a very small outlet
In a closed circuit , Is the lifting force equal to 7 pounds.?…
And if so if there is a feed column INLET BELOW the OUTLET….( pipe B or column B ) WHERE THE TOTAL Water lifted volume ( lifted from a reservoir only a few inches below the outer) is 1/4 of the 20’ tall WATER WEIGHT…
Could the weight of the water in pipe A lift WATER FROM PIPE B
We all “ Know” that “ water finds it’s own level”…
But this riddle tries to add a 4:1 “ mechanical advantage”….
THIS…. is the stuff of GREAT high school physics.
A good riddle
STRONG MECHANICAL INTUITIONS right and wrong…
And a clear set of experiments.
Extra twist…. We have a garden hose that I completely UN coiled… stretched across a field … you’re holding one end and an engineer is holding the other end….both ends are held at very similar heights and the hose is “ filled/full” of water.
And the engineer SWEARS that there is 14.7 psi being applied to the end where he is ….. but water is NOT gushing or even flowing at all from your end of the hose…. Is he lying ? Or is something else going on.?
@WOT
Good job. Nice demo to debunk the free energy. Do more such videos on free energy electric generators.
Yes!!! Debunk free Energy electric generators. Thanks lol.
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Thanks, nice to know that
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RUclips "sandponics" not available, full URL will be nice.
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Okay no issues thanks
Well, there is one exception to the "not working uphill" in Herons watter fountain (cause another principle makes it TEMPORARILY work). Another exception working again on different principle is a ram pump.
Herons fountain is no pump. A ram pump is a total different system. This system can not pump water upwards.
This is just Heron's fountain with extra steps... When you think about it the problem it's actually super simple. You only have one force that acting on the entire system and that's gravity but obviously it's acting on the whole system equally so the water that's supposed to rise up is being pulled down by the same force that's also making the water flow out from the outlet. I suppose if you optimized the design you can make it flow for some time but it'll eventually stop because magic doesn't exist :D
You missed a lot of details what Learn for Life did. Because it actually works. Please don't put others down.
This video shows that no siphon can lift any water. Learn for life never point out that source must be elevated higher than output for this to work.
It's a gravity/vacuum pump system, where the mass of water in the tank is greater than in the pipework and can overcome the weight of water in the pipe at a lower outlet than the inlet point in the tank! The vacuum requires air to be eliminated internally and a tank that will not collapse under vacuum pressure! Then the suction will work well and sure, I have done this myself! It works if you create an air-tight seal and rigid pipework!
Sorry Sir, you can not have done this and have it work. No siphon can pump any water up to a higher level, impossible, as this video shows!
@@kjellg6532 I agree and the point I am making is that the water outlet is actually lower than the source, so yes it's working in this example!
Just found your channel, great video. I wonder if faking those pumps lets them raise money for real pumps? But there will be disadvantaged who see their "work" and spend what little resources they have on the parts...thank you for debunking. You may save a life.
They are ordinary Clickbait crooks. That makes them money. Look no further for this.
Thanks for this video bro!! Sometimes the net can be a rabbit hole
It works. I have a working model on my farm. The point is to create a siphon in an airtight container while the entire system is primed. Your experiment lacks isolation of air from the system. P=Mgh
I'll give you infinite money... but you have to get it all at once.
Exactly rights
What you have is a siphon flowing down - the other videos were pretending like they magically siphon water up. That is what will never work. It breaks the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics.
@@Kevin-bz8dx We do not care about the laws of thermodynamics or physics. We care that this pump works.
@@skhumbuzocele1330 That might be the most accurate description of the RUclips comment section I have ever seen
My friend your theory is right now but that’s because you have both tubes at atmospheric pressure.. what allows water to be sucked is the creation of different pressure inside one semi-closed system chamber that as Air, and Air is what makes the trick. It acts like an elastic that pulls, when inside a closed chamber. Another thing about energy. There is potential energy stored in matter, in this case air molecules do the work.
He shows that a siphon can not lift any water uphill. Impossible and this excellent video proves it.
I’d imagine it would work rather well with the addition of a check valve allowing flow out of the exit only, and into the input only.
A valve (as used here) is a gravity mechanism, sort of a "marble plugging a hole" sort of thing. I do not know of a valve that would work on the output, other than a shut-off.
@@mariana1964 And with a tank, you do not need any foot valve at the intake.
@@Dingsrud Here to help out your buddy? LOLOL!!! You guys are hilarious, obvious, AND oblivious as can be -- but lovable... sort of. In other words, not too bright, but adorable all the same! I remember when I _still believed_ in all that science-y stuff like you still do. That was many eye-openers ago, friends. Most of it is pure BS, though. You will learn that one day, too, hopefully.
Okay, so I'm done here. Yes, the barrel works if done correctly, and yes, you need a foot valve. No, a normal siphon can't pump uphill, but this isn't normal, just like a jet turbine isn't normal, yet works without external input power once it is running. Mankind has NEVER created a pure vacuum, so what makes any of you think we understand the subject well enough to rule anything out?
I meant to say the jet works with VERY LITTLE fuel, not none.
@@mariana1964 I suggest that you take a look at this video: ruclips.net/video/NiThJ9vUagU/видео.html
You can see that no foot valve is needed. In a normal set up with the output lower than the input, the tank can be used as a priming device. As such, no foot valve is needed.
I saw a clip with such a pump and my first thought was, why didn't we come up with that in the summer house? Then on further reflection I realized that it would be the same as turning a bottle of water upside down. Air sucks in in the exit hole. Exactly what you show in the clip here.
Build the same thing they did with the same pipes at proper lengths.
Hi Derrick, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. The lengths of the pipes match quite well with this setup.
The fraudulent principle can be detected on any scale. Many times, knowledge of natural laws is enough. If you believe it works, why not build it yourself? You're so cunning you don't build it because you know it's a scam. This is a compliment, not a reproach. :)
@@WOT_utwente replication and reproducibility... you did not replicate the other system... you made a rinky dinky contraption...
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major failure...
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Good job explaining.
Would be crazy about those guys doing all that work for just a joke. Try exactly as they did with large tanks then judge right.
Hi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. The size of the tank we used is pretty similar to the one in this video.
No it'ss not the same.
Agree prime and volume of bucket is important too. All must be filled and bucket 100% air tight. Slightest leak and pump will fail over time.
You can even drop the whole barrel, no need.
The hardest part about constructing a perpetual motion machine is figuring out where to hide the battery.
I have not yet try this theory, but I don't think I see a foot valve and a air pressure from your demo compared to the videos from Learn for Life channel. Please try it again - with these items and make sure that the outlet pipe a little longer. It is very important for us from developing countries to know if this really works.
No foot valveis needed as long as you use a priming baarrel.
For this to work: barrel and tubes must be air tight. Source water level must be higher than output. A siphon can not lift water up from a well.
One should dip the output into a bucket of water to prevent air leaking in from the output.
this is actually a top tier video, good stuff
@WOT_utwente i understand that it is a kind of siphoning going on (and yes I understand the principal off siphoning) in a direct siphon your explanation is correct. and i'm skeptical to . but to me the working principal of that pump is that it creates a vacuum in the tank. let me explain. one inch tube of about 3 feet long contains about 0.72 L water. if you have a tank base of about 1 feet times 1 feet, that would mean that a drainage of about 2 inches of water in that tank is equal to 4.5 L of water. so if your tubes inlet and outlet are equal then the pump would stop ( because of equal pressure). there you are right. but when you make the outlet bigger than the inlet. you would create a faster drainage than the inlet. what create a lower pressure/vacuum in the thank. what makes that the thank is forced to fill the 4.5 L(in 2 inches in the tank) that he drained, bye sucking on to the inlet of 0.72 L(in 3 feet pipe). what makes that volume of a drainage of 2 inches water in the thank is equal to the volume of 18 feet suction pipe. and there for it does not work on a siphon but on vacuum. your tank would not collapse due to the vacuum because the suction pipe will fill it up again on a higher pressure inlet than the outlet what makes that pump kinda work, if you find the correct balance between out- and inlet so you won't drain your tank . comments can be made on kurtstael@hotmail.be
Sorry, but you are mistaken. If, and only if, water level at source is higher than at the exit, THEN this siphon will work. And that is what he is proving, it will NOT work because the source here is placed too high, on purpose! There at two mandatory issues to keep a siphon running:
1) Air tight
2) Source higher than output.
The rest are details. Length of tubes, diameter of tubes, barrel or no barrel,…
I have been watching this free energy water pump videos, but your test is not done properly, its important that the bucket is sealed so air presure will such the water out, so the presure from the bucket coming down will pull air, and that air will generate the suction it would need... also the exit pipe must be bigger than the input pipe... I am not sure if it works, but if not replicated properly is a very bad experiment... apart from that great video.
Same tough, I'm still skeptical but as nothing is done properly here I do not consider it's a definitive proof.
His experiment did not follow the siamese tectnik... Out put mus be bigger but the end of the out put must be same same saiz with the in put..so that the water never stop.. Then he never built the air trap.. It help the presure tu force the water to go out...
YOU DIDN'T ADD THE "ONE-WAY" STOP VALVE at the water source and have that also filled up with water to lock the air so that the AIR PRESSURE os built up in the big bucket to havr the vacuuming/ duction effect, brah. Please don't be so hasty to ecplain away why things didn't work when you actually left out one of the most critical pieces of the entire setup.
YOU DO NOT NEED ANY “ONE-WAY” STOP VALVE WHWN USING A PRIMING BARREL. There may be a lot of air in the bucket. He is proving that a siphon can not lift any water.
There's free energy and is the capillary effect of water
The first bucket experiment didn't work because you didn't have water above the inlet line, or a fitting that reached into the bucket, and you had no sealed lid. There was no way it could start a suction to the lift side as the water in the bucket was released.
His experiment is excellent in showing that this siphon set up can not lift any water. No siphon can lift anybwater, barrel or no barrel.
Oh, no! I am shocked! Another free energy device does not work? The next one, for sure, will!
Aside from carbon fuels, most of the world's energy is produced by "free energy devices". They convert forces of nature into electricity. Simple. And this demo is dishonest because he didn't actually replicate their device. See my other comment which explains.
We'll get there someday! The laws of thermodynamics only apply to people that "believe" them. Over-unity 4 life!
It's a gravity syphon with extra parts. It didn't work because he didn't prime the pump.
And what about photovoltaic panels? They work well. They are dependent on the sun, but no official has yet thought of paying for the sun (so far we only pay for investment in technology), so it is free energy. :) Unfortunately, the water perpetuum mobile from RUclips is still fueled by the stupidity of those who believe in such devices. Because human stupidity is infinite, so is the free energy they worship in their religion without ever bringing functionality and real benefit. Just the perfect attributes of religion. :)
@@DL-kc8fc You're exactly right about solar panels ("we only pay for investment in technology"). Then it produces electricity. Or build project A, B, or C instead. Does it also produce electricity afterward, without burning fuel and without additional human input? Is that a free energy device?
The supposed "free energy pump" can only pump 200 Lts., which is the exact amount that was already "pumped by hand" by filling it up with buckets. So much for the "free energy".
Their setup is different, if you are going to debunk it you should replicate in detail. You forgot to fill the inlet pipe with water first and also the inlet pipe should have a check valve. Plus you have an air leak, it should be air tight. Just saying...
Hi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. There is no mention of a foot valve nor did they prime the inlet pipe in this video.
@@WOT_utwente But you have an air leak. It seems their whole premise is that as the water exits it creates suction. Do it right next time.
Your uptake inlet valve should be connected to upper tank lower to the bottom vs the top of it. Just as I was typing this someone else also noted its more of a vacuum and siphon than it is a simple siphon.
It is a simple siphon with a priming tank. It does not work since the output is higher than the input.
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Thanks for the science behind siphoning, and for helping to weed out all those scam videos on pumping with no energy!
Your pipe are way too wide for this amount of water! You get air going up
You may be right. And what he's trying to debunk has a one way valve on the end of the intake pipe. See my other comment about that.
@@trone3630 well that would be just an extra so you don't have to bother topping up every time you start it. The idea is that the pipe dimensions have to be correct for the pump/capillary effect to work out. It'd be the same thing if you tip down a coke bottle it creates vacuum and the bottle shrivels by itself, if you widen the bottle neck it won't be able to do this.
Beautiful illustrations.
Try making the exit pipe around 20 or 3.0’ it will work
Hi, as mentioned, we replicated and tested the setup you can see at 0:15. The size of the pipes we used is pretty similar to the one in this video. For the reasons explained in our video at 5:00 we think changing pipe diameters will not have an effect.
I think this may work. It’s not free energy. Rather negative pressure to create strong enough siphon in the chamber to lift the water. The problem with your set up is that you don’t have any way to stop the back flow of air into the chamber. This can be achieved by keep the outlet under water or installing and air chamber in the outlet pipe. I have seen several RUclipsr who tried to replicate this and missed the arrester air chamber in the outlet pipe. It’s simple science. The size of the water chamber will depend on the distance between water source and water chamber. The discharge pipe had to be long enough to sustain the negative pressure. Even if it’s not long enough the arrestee chamber will help overcome the back flow of air. Now you input energy in form of muscle power to fill the water reservoir. Use the gravitational energy to creat motion in term of water flow. This will creat negative pressure in the water chamber. There are only two ways to overcome the combination of negative pressure and gravitational energy. Either the water has to enter into the chamber from the reservoir or air has to enter through the outlet pipe. If sufficient negative pressure is created in the chamber the water will lift and enter into the chamber. However, there is a sweet spot for this system to work. Any one component out of proportion the system will not work. I will love to see you try it to find out for sure.
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Basically what they're doing is turning a gravity bong (over simplified) into a water pump. It's not siphoning that they're using but a vaccuum that created inside the barrel as the water level inside of it drops. It's a sound principle in theory.
Sorry, you are wrong. It is a simple syphon. It will ‘“work”/gulp till the bucket is empty or the outlet is lower than the water level in the well. No mystery here.
He's correct. If you think this works you dont understand physics at all.
The weight of the draining water pulls a vacuum to pull water in. It works just fine.
Noop. From the video, you see that it does not work! Output is higher than the input. Can not work. No siphon can lift water, a siphon is no pump.
The vacuum was pulling from the outlet instead of the inlet
YES, and that is because the inlet water level is lower than the output. So the siphon tries to run in reverce.
i saw alot of those videos lately, they don't explain the principle
most who works were pumping water from a river to a rice field and i think it's a siphon, the drum is for priming the long line to the field
and i think rice fields are usually lower level than the river, and the system is only used to avoid passing a pipe inside the dyke or the embakment
but one video of a guy pumping water from a well that looks like 2-3m deep confused me
he used a transparent plastic sheet as a cover over the barel to show that water was being sucked
and also, they use a no return valve at the river/well side, and prime the inlet line before opening the outlet line
can you share the link of the video?
It does work. I would pull this down as your experiment is flawed. Use a larger airtight sealed tank and reduce the flow on the outlet. The outlet needs to be longer if you cant lengthen it use a check valve.
Ok. With a check valve at the outlet the water flow will stop. In fact, if you polish the output orifice so it is smooth and plane, press a piece of paper against the exit till all water flow stops, then remove your hand, then the system would stay put. No water coming out at all! Try it wit a bottle. Suck it. Press a piece of paper against the neck and lift it out of the water, neck down. No water comes out!
Gewoon een sifon met aan het begin een keerklep bij de inlaat onder water en een expansie boven de uitlaat die een kogelkraan heeft en om te starten de sifon eerst vullen vanaf de expansie die ook weer een schroefkap heeft voor ook goede afdichting.
The Ramjet pump is a real "free energy" water pump. Granted, the energy is not mysterious, it comes from the flow of the stream, but it IS free in the sense you don't have to provide the energy yourself.
There is no "free energy". It is a self running pump, not a "free energy" device. when people talk about "free energy" they actually mean "free electricity", which a hydraulic ram pump (not ramjet, I don't know where you got that name) does not produce...
@@darrylkinslow3357 I've always heard it referred to as ramjet. Googling ramjet water pump brings up the pump.
Yes, it is a free energy device in a literal sense. Once you build the machine and put it in an appropriate setting, it runs itself and needs no energy you have to produce or buy. A solar panel is another literal free energy device.
How does free energy mean free electricity? Electricity is not even a source of energy, it is a carrier of energy. Plus, I can assure you a ram jet pump can generate electricity. It lifts water to a higher elevation. That potential can be turned into electricity with a generator.
@@tarstarkusz A Ramjet is a sort of jet engine used in fast flying aeroplanes. A Ram pump, is a water pump that extracts energy from running water and uses that energy to lift a fraction of the running water to a higher level.
@@kjellg6532 OK, I slightly misremembered the name. Sue me. Point is, it's a free energy device. It is free to operate and will operate so long as there is moving water to power it. It is more reliable than a regular electric powered pump in that it has no moving parts.
There are 2 types of free energy. The first is impossible. That's where you put X power into a system and get X+ out of the system.
The second type of free energy is free energy as in free beer. Everyone admits free beer exists. Free beer is beer you don't have to work or pay to get. Free energy is energy you do not have to provide, but which comes from the environment or some other non-human-caused energy. The only cost you pay is a one time cost for the machine. There are many such examples.from clocks which operate on slight temperature and barometric pressure difference to solar panels.
2 things to consider, first of all, siphon towers could expand already existing hydro power generation capacity at existing dams... and two if you put a pump on the bucket sucking out the air, the pressure will pull water up into the bucket... pumps that could operate on solar power...
First. This set up are not able to pump water uphill. Second. Given that the tank can be closed airtight its only purpose is to prime he siphon.
Even if he primed the pump and had a full bucket. It would only work for a while. The reason being in order to pull water you need more pressure from the water being dumped out. (I'm exaggerating numbers here because I don't know the actual numbers.) But for instance you would need 2 liters of water to flow out of the bucket just to pump 1 liter of water into it. It would sustain itself for a while until the bucket started to get too empty to pull water then it would empty out.
I think..as higher is the Vakuum in the store as much more water will come into the store. The Tank has to be big and strong enough to create the vakuum and the backflash of Air from the outlet has to be prevent. Its right ...the Full tank will empty a lot to create the vacuum. It will never be the same Level from the Start. But you need enough water in the Tank and long one way outlet pipe to prevent the Air coming from the outlet.
You do realize that the water coming out creates a vacuum inside the container, right? The water coming in replaces water that went out. Both vacuum and atmospheric pressure make the water go in, and gravity makes it go out to create the vacuum.That being the case, your comment is useless and has nothing to do with this device.
@@darrylkinslow3357 Right but yhave more water volume going out to suck up the water then water being sucked up. There's no way to get around the fact that you need to compensate for atmospheric pressure pulling down against the water being sucked out of the bottom
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hi . Try using a 50-liter plastic gallon and close the lid well, perhaps with some silicone to cut off the air completely. And make the water coming out of the gallon back to the tank at the bottom. Silicon must be placed on the pipes as well. Do not use any kind of valves. Just try to close the water outlet with any kind of cover until you will be ready to start.
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Talent.... Deep Analysis.
Its make my country someone. And he claim its works!!!
And maybe he is talking right... He advise its can work 3 feet , and use...... Inlet pipe 1", and output Pipe 1.5"
and continuously working. Maybe Success .
Im contacting with him , but now im busy another work.
Thank you.
You are very intelligent guy
First you read gravity formula and then make it
It works 100%
Impossible. No siphon can lift water uphill.
It’s entirely possible, you are assuming the water source for the pump is the same as the actual water source in its entire volume. If the water collected below the tank carries less force than the amount in the tank, and the source is isolated (ball valves aren’t motorised last time I checked) then I don’t understand why that wouldn’t work?
Am I crazy?
This is a (barrelled) siphon. No siphon can lift any water.
You forgot the most important part -- the small submersible pump added to the bottom of the pickup tube during one of the cuts in the video. 😂
Everyone knows it's impossible, it's funny videos to catch the views of some Thai channels. Nothing is free, energy always changes from one form to another.
Try putting oneway valve on both sides, vaccum pressure can bring water from the other side
Never be critical. Always be willing to learn.
Yes, and here we learn that a siphon can not pump water uphill.
I definitely agrees with you about siphoning, UNFORTUNATELY, you did not seal the white container (and the other parts where the supply of water will come from) after you filled it with water, WHEREIN a vacuum pressure MUST be created, that my friend will suck the water from the supply
ADD: considering also the SMALL white container, definitely WILL NOT WORK, a bigger sealed container must be used to create a vacuum (negative) pressure to overcome the weight of the water to be lifted from the supply
ADD: a LONGER OUTPUT HOSE for more volume of water that will create the vacuum (negative) pressure from the sealed bigger container
CONCLUSION: very good vlog indeed for a very good discussion ...
Sorry, no. This excellent video shows that a siphon can not lift any water at all.