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Fiona Bruce presents an hour of topical debate. On the panel: Grant Shapps MP, secretary of state for transport, Conservative; Stephen Kinnock MP, Labour; Drew Hendry MP, transport spokesperson at Westminster, SNP; Helen Lewis, political journalist with The Atlantic; and Michael Dobbs, Conservative peer and author of the novel 'House of Cards'.
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As the former soldier pointed out, Labour has ceased to be a patriotic party. Hijacked by the the chattering classes of Islington, the social science depts of former polytechics, and Trotskyite activists in inner-city schools, the party believes that Britain and the West are inherently sinful, while the sun shines out of the you know where of every third-world dictatorship and terrorist group. Thankfully, the British people don't share this nauseating view of the world and via the ballot box have given two fingers to the party, its policies and its leadership.
Were it the chattering classes of Islington. Labour has been taken over by much more sinister and dangerous forces.
amen
Damn right - I’m incredibly proud to be British and find myself constantly criticised for saying so.
Well said.
What's so great about being patriotic?
Kinnock carrying on his father's proud tradition of losing ignominiously and then whining about it.
Simon Gaines Kinnock calls Boris a liar yet an English Court threw out the claims that he misled the Queen on the prorogation. Meanwhile, Corbyn lied on camera saying he watched the Queen’s speech every Christmas morning! He goes on to say Labour are out of touch with the working class yet continues to talk BS they will see through. Idiot!
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All those people saying boris is not a good candidate for being a prime minister because he is a liar.. I have got one word for you.._. BLAIR
Kinnock is basically calling everyone who voted Tory an idiot.
Who the heck would vote for this nastiness?
The gravy train is now arriving from the eu, will Steven kinnock and his parents please get off and find a proper job !!
I wouldn't have any of em sweeping the floor........
@Jonny ward True. An MEP is democratically elected, a situation Kinnock rarely finds himself in.
He made his money by being appointed a European Commissioner, going on to take his turn as Vice-President of the European Commission.
An MEP is a lowly person indeed, in comparison.
@@tonibat59 I SEE what you did there toni.....
Please don't give up the day job though...
@Jonny ward No, I haven't changed my opinion at all.
I never expressed an opinion in the first place.
You criticized Realist 1801 for claiming Kinnock had made a vast amount of money as an MEP, when he in fact made a vast amount of money being a European Comissioner.
It makes no difference to the point in question. Kinnock had his snout in the EU trough, just like the rest of them.
@Jonny ward I don't think anything. Realist 1801 made the claim, not me.
You are once again replying to the wrong person.
Sour grapes from kinnock, he is bitter that he won't be able to stuff his pockets with eu money like his parents. Not really in a position to call anyone a liar.
@R2 D2 Absolutely, it's an admission they haven't given a fig about ordinary folk for years. Watch the creeps suddenly come over all fawning for the white working class in the coming months in a cynical attempt to make themselves electable. Nobody's gonna fall for it this time.
So true.
He already has .
He will be Lord Kinnock the Second soon enough and carry on the Socialist fight while pocketing £300 a day attendance money.
Totally! the EU was their pension fund, something to do if their political career went astray, a place they could send their children, to mingle with other like minded people whilst stuffing their pockets with ngo money achieving and improving nothing for their countrymen.
Does this Labour MP not realise that calling our country a laughing stock doesn't go down well the heartlands they just lost. Believe it or not many in our society love living in Britain and are very proud to be British. We are in the most part generous, kind, friendly, peaceful and have a strong moral compass. When will Labour realise calling people idiots and/or racist and belittling our country is not a good policy.
@Chris Cross The extreme momentum side is that's for sure. The main thing I despise is they constantly try to take the moral high ground at the same time they shut down debate, they are intolerant of opposing opinions, they are racist. Everywhere the socialism experiment is tried it fails.
@Chris Cross What Tony Blair did was to forever remove the (false) perception that the Labour Party were more humane and honourable than the conservatives. Tony Blair lied to us, lied to Parliament and brought our great country into an illegal war based on phony intelligence that which resulted in 1 million Iraqis being killed. Hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children. Anytime labour activists argue that the Conservatives are a danger to peace or that they represent a more moral and just world I remind them of the actions of our last Labour Government. I think Iraq and not respecting democracy will lead to decades of Labour being out of power. I for one am grateful for that. Cheers Chris and Merry Christmas
@Chris Cross Thank you Chris. I must say how refreshing to have a polite and friendly chat online. I will look out for you in other political comment threads. All the best
Many don't some are not proud of Food Banks, Zero hour contracts. Low wages, The constant attacks on the sick and definitely not proud of Universal credit.
@@paulwilson2651 Your not proud to live in a country where taxpayers are happy for some of their hard earned money to go to those unable to work?
Ignoring 17.4 million people was Labour's downfall.
most of them were Tories so why should Labour listen to them?
@@larrybxl5406 If you believe that, wow.
@@Irishtradchannel if you can prove that MOST of those who voted for brexit were labour voters please do so. If not STFU
@@larrybxl5406 Your wonderful interpersonal skills are another demonstration of the little things that forced the working class to reject the snooty Labour party, never mind the big ones.
The strong correlation between Labour seats with massive majorities and the strongest leave areas and a dozen other things.
Johnson will be your PM for 10 to 15 years.
The question for Labour is will it survive.
@@Irishtradchannel bojo is not nor will he be my PM as I don't live in the UK.
You have provided NO EVIDENCE that THE MAJORITY of brexiteers were labour party supporters because no such evidence exists. So please crawl back under your rock and STFU! Arrogant limey PUTZ
Any more plants in the audience you will need to start watering.
deltahfman hahaha!
@@winstonscott4195 c.f.
@Moon Cat Lefties are us led by big nose plain jane, come back Dimbleby
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a 'plant' you know. Not everyone shares your opinion. Deal with it.
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Strange how Labour say we are a laughing stock in the eyes of the world yet everyone wants to come here
"Everyone" doesn't want to come here. Plenty of people settle in other European countries too. Being a bit better than a country ravaged by poverty and/or war isn't much of a standard...
You’re part of the problem, Kinnock
Actually, as a foreigner, it was the Labour Party that has made the UK a laughing stock.
Te Kinnocks are just a typical example of middle-class pseudo socialists, leeching of the working class.
There is a long list, champagne socialists,
@Chris Cross haha more toxic that a fascist tory government that is about to send the poor back to 1940s levels of poverty and change the democratic process so much that they are literally stripping peoples human rights away and we will never be able to get them out of power?
@@63mckenzie haha ahh yes 'real working class labour' fantasy. Who actually hate the hard left, hate the soft left, hate centrists, hate the middle class, have no solutions to anything apart from vote in their elite slave master Boris Johnson.
With the attitude of Kinnock, I wonder why they did not lose by even higher numbers. The Raving Loony Party would surely make more sense now.
@Kjelly Lund: Well, now you've gone too far. Because I was appalled by how poor a showing the RLP made in this general election. Sadly, the glory days of Screaming Lord Sutch (RIP) are far behind us . . .
ironicly corbys seat was comtested by an independant who's party was called the raving looney party (if that's the party you meant)
Kinnock is typically ignoring the fact that the Tories were digging us out of a painfully deep hole, left for them by Labour!! How short people's memories are!!
Simon Harding, Now the Tory government have a clear field, the nine previous years of their fiscal responsibility, & the next five years at least of unopposed economic policy, if things go wrong who will they blame?
If you're referring to 2008 it was a global financial crash...
@boredreiver agreed, as a traditional Conservative where do you think the tories should go from here with regards to leadership?
@@johnmoore9862
If they screw up, it's for US to decide their fate, not them.
@@patrickmonkman8151 Labour were responsible for the deregulation of the banks and for not "mending the roof when the sun was shining" by spend spend spend and spending again.
Labour have adopted an extreme left stance in terms of social justice and economics. They also ignored the working classes who voted for Brexit and called them racist.
I used to be a Labour party member. The left is a circular firing squad. Thornbury sneering at St George flags on houses with white vans on the drive was the first warning sign to me that not only did Labour not know the working class anymore, they held them in contempt when they came across them.
Labour is dead to me. It might just be dead full stop. They represent a tiny minority of extreme social justice warriors who virtue signal perpetually in an echo chamber.
Meanwhile the north knows what it wants, and isn't afraid to vote for it.
Tom Clarke The north remembers
@@Coys319 true, the North remembers and particularly this ruclips.net/video/Y5GM3fkM_uk/видео.html
Spot on. In a nutshell, you've nailed it.
Tom Clarke well said you
Well said.
Does the snp representative have amnesia? Someone needs to tell him that Scotland had an independence referendum and the Scottish people chose to stay in the Union, also not every Scottish person voted to remain in the EU. Again another political party not listening
Shaun Davies but didn’t Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown play the E.U. card then, “a vote for independence is a vote to leave the E.U.”, the U.K. has never looked more divided to me. It’s all a bit chaotic, (England and Wales seem sorted in fairness) But it’s a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Anxious in Dublin.
Did anyone tell the SNP candidate that campaigning to stay in the EU empire is not nationalism? Something is wrong with the Scottish Nationalist Party fundamentally.
@@blackphilip8936 Exactly, the SNP were seen as a bunch of cranks just a few years ago, who's to say they won't be viewed the same way again in time. And if they get this wretched 2nd referendum and vote to leave, what happens then if they change their minds back in a few years time. Pretty certain Sturgeon would block a referendum to re-join the UK with every fibre in her body. Remember Scots, this is all about HER not you.
Leaving the EU is a material change, on that basis alone there is a strong case to re-evaluate the Union. Also, the presenter and Kinnock identify a longer term problem for Labour. This is so important in the Scottish context. Seems to me that Scotland wants a more progressive government than it can ever hope to get while in the Union, they started deserting Labour under Blair and the SNP have successfully scoped up these voters after they first defected to the LibDems who, from 2003-2010 were to the left of Labour. I don't believe that all those who vote for the SNP want independence but with every Conservative government or potential New Labour re-run more of these will change their position.
I'm not a scot, but to be fair Scotland voted in a larger majority to remain in the EU than to remain in the UK, by about 10%. David Cameron promised Scotland they could stay in the EU as part of the UK, but now they're being dragged out against their will. This changes the conditions on which they voted on in 2014. Why shouldn't they get another referendum to see if they still want to stay in the UK while it leaves the EU? The SNP have been voted for in massive numbers again in Scotland, and have never voted for a Conservative government. Why should they be ignored?
Kinnock is so out of touch. His unfounded moral superiority is insane.
Just like the rest of the Labour party.
Kinnock. Nepotism at its best.
Reagan said about Leftists: they know so much that simply isn't so.
Agree. Total prick
He should lead a vegan cult
Most British people are centre right and we don't like Communism or Communists.
God Bless Boris and Donald, Heroes of the West
@@f.k.2106 I don't think the uk is a Muslim nation yet
@@f.k.2106 Long live morons who are easy to laugh at in blogs. Keep up the good work, comrade.
Gawd the SNP are so annoying. Every time they speak it’s “when are we getting another referendum”. They get 4% of the vote for 48 seats in parliament they have their own parliament and get more money than anyone else in the U.K. If they keep up all this whinging the UK might vote to send them back to Europe 😂
This hate mongering from the Labour Party is just boring right now.
I wish Labour all the feminist, politically correct, inclusive, progressive, diverse and social justice equality it deserves.
So you don't like women, other people, progress, different ideas and fairness. Well let's hope you like the alternatives of male, white and bloody nasty.
@@toforgetisagem8797 Thank you.
@@jean-pascalheynemand3271 you are welcome
...and THAT comment by 'To Forget is A Gem' of *everyone is wrong (and racist) except me cos I am Labour* - is EXACTLY why you lost the election.
@@toforgetisagem8797 it's precisely because of thoughts like this that labour lost the election.
As don mclean sang, "they didnt listen theyre not listening still, perhaps they never will".
Its not Labour and its not the Conservatives that the public care about its who are simple missing being British . Many Brits want their identity as a single Nation.
Kinnock; his father went to the eu as a commissioner( 2 pensions), then went house of lords( always said he wouldn't accept). His mother was employed by the eu. And I think stephens missus is connected to the eu somehow.Also his dad went after a whistleblower who exposed irregularities in eu finances (our money).This family has made a fortune out of "serving the public".
Unlike the Tories.
Okay but you cannot complain about this and then vote Tory. That's like drinking pure poison rather than heavily diluted poison.
@Carl os Really? Well done, you.
@@FreekinEkin2I vote tory because the eu is like labour, socialism mixed with Marxism. "DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO"
@@garsm2290 malcolmX once said you know where you stands with conservatives,, beware the Liberals they will stab you in the back
Typical labour MP as the same as a typical remainer you can never except a democratic vote. This is the problem why Labour lost whether you voted remain or Leave, complaining and whining about the result is not going to change it. The reason why Labour towns voted Conservative because they want to get the country moving again. We are all fed up of talking about the same question of Brexit the whole point of democracy is that the people have a vote on what happens. The majority voted to leave so we should leave! We have now had three years of arguing and failing to get Brexit resolved. If Boris Johnson delivers on what he promised And get Brexit done then the better for the UK it is. There is no point of thinking what if’s. It has made us as a country that look weak and indecisive and not united. I’m sure if the result on the Referendum had been different and we Voted to remain then the rest of the population would’ve excepted the result and we would’ve continued with our lives but it didn’t happen. Remainers must except that We are leaving Europe and the Tories won the election let’s club together and make Britain great again. It is Down now To all of us and all parties to make sure the Conservatives deliver on all of their promises Britain has always been a country that sticks together let’s do it again.
Erm, leavers would not have accepted the result. When it looked like Remain would win, Farage didn’t last 2 minutes without moaning about the “extension of the voter registration deadline” and the “young people.” Leavers would have been as sore as some Remainers have been, and we’d have been talking about Brexit for even longer because they’d still want it. It’ll be interesting to see what Daily Mail types blame all our problems on after we’ve left.
"Is there a fundamental problem with Labour Mr Kinnock?" Yes, no sensible person would vote for a left government any more. The days of unions and strikes and nationalisation and anti capitalism are over.
Yes, including Labour's "winter of discontent" fiasco in the late 1970's when the UK was the strike capital of Europe. Anyone can type "Winter of Discontent" on the internet and read about what happened, it is a depressing read.
you're going to eat these words in three years time...
@@bluesclues132 to true, the truth can be very unpalatable. 😀
jdudb
Well..Let us hope!
BBC bias at its best, not one person in the audience who voted for Boris.
Bet the former Soldier did
(Lefty host never got back to him.)
What, you had the audience names and the way they voted?
Paul Gavin no they don’t, as an armed forces member myself, I will always trust labour.
@@jacklewis3803 that's deluded, the way leftists talk about the 🇬🇧 history shows they hate the military
@Dani25, And? Do you seriously believe that if this is true its a bad thing? Every person, whichever political party they support, should be an organ donor, when we die our bodies are just empty shells if we can help one person, or even many people, after we die than that can only be a good thing, surely?
Kinnock is a huge joke just like question time.
Labour was created to fight for the rights of those who literally had nothing. Unfortunately, for Labour, social demographics have changed and people who were once poor, ie my parents, worked hard to better themselves and ended up property owners. Labour don't seem to understand this change.
@Graham Mckenzie: Props.
and you don't seem t understand that capitalism is in crisis...
@@bluesclues132 Hard capitalism is as bad a communism.
@@63mckenzie lmfao- the only way capitalism will survive is if it goes 'hard'. The only reason why the working classes got any of the concessions it did without going full communist after ww1 was because the ruling class had the money to bribe them, hate to break it to you...but the british elite are broke and it is planned socialist economies like china (yes china is still a communist socialist state) that are going to rise in ascendancy while the west will sink into capitalist neo-feudalist mediocrity. There is only so much land on planet earth to commodify... do you really think what your parents achieved was so special? good luck buying a house and finding a job in an affordable part of the country yourself in 2019. Just lol if you think the way things stand as they're now is sustainable (0.3% rise in productivity over 10 years and near zero percent interest rates and QE going to the 1% through asset inflation).
@@bluesclues132 Hard capitalism was the slave system.
Electing a new leader is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point. They've leaned absolutely nothing from last week.
you might want to reconsider that assessment
@@chulz1080 Why? My point still stands. They're still the same turgid outfit.
@@jjthecat9692 the Titanic didn't come back to win 400+ seats in the next election
Stephen "I've got no morals like my parents" Kinnock, talking trash as usual
ALL THE FAMILY ARE TRASH
Why can't anyone be honest and even discuss the fact having your population growing at 500,000 a year may make difference to all your service's and infrastructure.
@Alice Rabbit And will prove utterly disasterous in the long run.
I didn't recognise Mr kinnocks description of the UK, I do remember the previous Labour government bankrupting the country directly resulting in constrained public spending over the past 10 years.
Yes because it wasn’t a global financial crises in 2008 due to collapse of the housing market, caused by the banks reckless lending. A housing collapse that had never happened in history, no one saw it coming.
Labour was spending during the boom of 2000-2007, however the deficit wasn’t much more than Thatcher’s first 7 years in government. People weren’t queuing outside northern rock to try get their savings out because labour was funding public services properly.
There was no money when Cameron came in during the recession of 2008-2013. But since then the economy recovered yet austerity continued and our public services have been cut to the bone, not due to the effects of the recession anymore, but due to political ideology of the Tory party.
In 2008 not one news report blamed a GLOBAL financial crash on the Labour Party. No country in the world saw it coming.
Baffles me how this way of thinking has stuck in people’s minds.
@@briangabriel1211 What was Labour's excuse for the "winter of discontent" fiasco in the late 1970's when the UK was the strike capital of Europe. During this awful time the population of the UK was so sick of the Labour Government and so desperate to get rid of them that they elected Margaret Thatcher. Anyone can go on the internet and type "Winter Of Discontent" and read all about what happened.
@@dragonfly6908 And now worker's rights are a thing of the past.
@@dragonfly6908 no one under 50 cares about that
@@nifralo2752 Who say's it can't be repeated?, this week we have rail strikes.
Steven's answers at the beginning is the reason they lost. he doesn't got it.
"Media bias against the labour pary" 95 % of the audience claps.Oh the irony
@@cockoffgewgle4993 The BBC employs more journalists than the whole of Fleet St. And there you go again "the working class are very stupid". And you wonder why Labour lost!
@@vordman The BBC take most of their stories from the written press. That's where the vast majority of "journalism" is done. It's much less regulated than broadcast news. They create the news, the broadcast media just report on it and provide opinion. Largely.
I'm sorry facts are hurtful to you. But press bias is objective reality and easily observable. I'm not a Labour politician, I don't have to worry about offending idiots or press barons.
It's common knowledge that Blair won by getting Murdoch to support him. The Sun switched to Labour 6 weeks before the 1997 election and ditched Labour when Blair handed over to Brown.
A handful of tax avoiding billionaires own most of the press. The Sun is the biggest selling newspaper and every front page is just blatant smears against Labour and, particularly, Corbyn, and pro-Tory propaganda.
www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/
@@cockoffgewgle4993 delusional 😂 it's da media hahaaaa.
It's because they are a bunch of self loathing Brits who are perpetually offended hence why they most appeal to student activists.
@@mikelee486 Yes. The newspapers owned by tax-avoiding, non-dom billionaires. Which coordinated an unprecedented smear campaign.
And stupid people like you don't even realise your every thought is billionaire propaganda.
Blair won because Murdoch and The Sun supported him. Or do you think that was a miraculous coincidence? That they endorses Blair and Labour 6 weeks before the 1997 election and switched to the Tories when Brown took over?
www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/
It's objective fact. Whatever you think of him and his (largely popular, according to polling) policies. You seem confused by the fact that broadcast, and centrist written, media is left on wishy-washy social issues.
@@mikelee486 And the SJW rags as well: theguardian.fivefilters.org/
theguardian.fivefilters.org/antisemitism/
Billionaires don't like left wing economic policies. Zionists don't like critics of Israel's crimes. And neocons don't like peace and fairness. It's fairly simple.
The Labour Party is finished.
Ms Long Bailey will be voted in. Jeremy, John, Len, and Momentum will tell her what to do and, Labour will remain unelectable.
Almost right, but it was "remoaner" starmer who was voted in and nothing will change, the far left still control Labour and everyone knows it!
Did Kinnock just say that his party wasnt going to respect a democratic vote and that the electorate is too stupid to know what they are voting for? Good job Steven, that sort of pompous arrogant attitude is why you and your party lost. You are representing your own interests and not that of the people.
Imagine calling people stupid and then voting for labour 🤣planks
Labour lost me when they invented the "Diversity Compliance Officer".
Indeed, I'm amazed they couldn't see how that would wind up ordinary folk.
The thing is if Kinnock is right, then why doesn't he resign? Wheres the humility. Its like watching one fo those people at week 1 of X factor..completely delusional.
Kinnock and his clan blaming Corbyn, laughable
But it was all Corbyn (plus his flunkies and minions in support) that lost Labour the election in 2019. The fact is, and I cannot stress this enough, no one in the UK likes Corbyn - except cranks, holocaust deniers, oh yeah, and anyone that happens to be named Jemima and Tarquin.
The reality is Corbyn isn’t a politician - he is nothing more than professional protester who has spent decades in parliament achieving absolutely nothing. I’m glad he was thrown out of the Labour Party - he doesn’t belong in a mainstream social Democratic Party, or indeed in decent society.
Kinnock still talked about brexit in the context that working class people and lower middle class people didn't understand the implications and were idiots for voting for it , he is the perfect example as to why the labour party is no longer the party of the indigenous working class , he also talks of us not believing in the labour spending policies ( he forgets that those of us who are a bit older than 35 haven't forgotten the Blair/Brown regime! The lies from labour were never ending they talked of nationalisation of energy whilst knowing full well that full market prices would have to be paid whilst in the E.U ? (So probably in excess of 130 billion), they talked of waspi women compensation which under E.U equality law would have opened up the probability for men who had to work till 65 having the chance of compensation (How many billions would this cost) , they talk of high speed free internet for all in every area of U.K (To meet this promise would be tens of billions) Free stuff to the down trodden lol and all the under 30s believe this can be done whilst hitting businesses and individually wealthy people with the burden 😖 ? I wonder what would happen to this wealth in a free western country ?? I wonder if it would leave and resettle else where ? I wonder what the debt burden would be to the UK and its future people ? I wonder if the last labour government might have impacted austerity and spending over the last 10 to 15 years ? I wonder why up until a few months before becoming labour leader Corbyn thought the E.U was bad for the working class? I wonder why the increase in muslims in the labour party would slowly increase anti semitism? I wonder why the educated but nieve under 30s who have no experience of labour seem to vote for this? And I wonder why Labour wanted to lower the voting age even further ? hmmm. I wonder.
P.s i voted labour all my life up until Blair at which point it stopped being a labour party for the working class.
I think Kinnock meant that the Labour Party are a laughing stock.
The revolution is not finished, I was labour through and through from Greenock once a great ship building town on teh Clyde , now a call centre. I live in Aussie and came to realise that everytime a labour party got elected they quickly went about destroying the economy, I mean it is not intentional that conservative governments keep the purse under control you either have the money or you don't , labour just rack up enormous debt that in the end is destructive, just where do you think the money comes from, hard working export driven companies with skilled labour forces, most of these lefty plonkers have never been in a real job
Poor old Mr.Kinnock - he seems to forget the total failure his father (decent man though I think he was) presided over, during his time as leader. At least he admits it was a Labour failure.
The whole point is that Boris, with all his deceit and buffoonery, was the only leader to say definitively "we will get it done". While Labour prevaricated and stumbled on, Boris' message was clear, as the Liberal Democrats' was. The problem for the Liberal Democrats was that their stance punched 17.4 million voters in the face and people react to a punch - they punch back!!
It leaves me with the feeling that the election was the opportunity for the people to reinforce the 2016 referendum decision and slap the politicians around a bit. It is surely no coincidence that every one of the "remain" defectors were summarily dumped out of office. It should be clear, after all the analyses and reflections, that the election was a virulent display of "people power".
Labour have now descended into a morass of blaming everything and everyone except themselves. Until they emerge from the bunker and see daylight, they will make no inroads into the real reason they failed - their leader, his dubious associations and their policies. One smart move would be to obviate the influence of "Momentum"......that at least, would be a first step on a long and arduous journey for them
Nothing decent about any of the Kinnock's - two-faced, money grubbing hypocrites the lot of them.
Neil and Glenys have about 2 million quid per annum in British and EU pensions.
Horrible people who don't give a toss about this country.
Not so decent.... Old Kinnock went to the EU on a proclaimed mission to clear up the appalling lack of accounts. I was shocked when the EU hired a chief accountant with a track record of exposing fraud. Maybe he is succeeding I thought...
She announced that she could not sign off the accounts because the vast bulk of them were single entry (such as you might find in your local chip shop) so it was impossible to track where most of the money was going.
She was immediately suspended, and shortly afterward fired by a committee, lead by none other than... Neil Kinnock.
@@markhorton8578 Thanks for additional info. Was not aware of his actions "further down the line"!!
The Liberal Democrats wildly over-estimated the Remain vote. Many people who voted Remain did so not through any love for the EU, but because they thought it would be a nightmare to untangle ourselves from Brussels. I know that to be true because I was one of them. All for leaving now though.
Also why Labour lost was sister issue of anti-Semitism , Labour was anti Dharmic. A huge effect in places like Leicester East where a 25K majority was done to 6K majority - and people are still angry with Labour
Vaz was corrupt as hell.
It would be interesting to see how much support Labour has lost amongst voters of Indian origin, especially in non-metropolitan areas.
FIONA BRUCE STOP INTERRUPTING ALL THE TIME. ITS CALLED QUESTION TIME, NOT THE FIONA BRUCE SHOW!
Labour offers remain or remain, you didn't listen and now your history
Kinnoccio Jr is a real chip off the old man's shoulder. Whining prat who can only see his EU gravy train disappearing into the sunset.
Imagine winning an election by majority but a show have an audience full of people who lost. 🤣🤣
When people exclaim about Boris being a liar, on what level of their understanding has a politician ever truly been honest? It's as though in the last 6 months every other MP has gone through some kind of immaculate re-conception and they're now as pure as driven snow. If any politician told me the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside to be sure.
Steve Kinnock looks like a bald Jamie Lannister
Corbyn lost it. Spectacularly. And he was the laughing stock, not the UK
Oh, no. I can assure you, we would be laughing, if we weren't shitscared, because the UK is more than big enough to hurt us too, when you act like idiots.
Labour will doubledown on their insanity, just you watch
Stephen Kinnock actually stated the situation accurately. A Starmer Thornberry Long-Bailey leadership would condemn us all to indefinite Tory rule.
Labor Still has not learned anything.
Watching this in 2021. Labour's slow, lingering death goes on.
Politicians made the UK a laughing stock! The People have restored some pride to it.
How can you say that this isn’t a victory for the Conservative party when they win such an enormous majority with a very high voter turnout? What a ridiculous notion.
The remoaners got smashed! Brill.
Love how much time they give the Kinnock ;)
How dare Kinnock whose whole family has been on the EU gravy train for 30 years!!
12:43 was worth watching just for that look of self realization at the end
Thick labour ha ha ha ha you got slaughtered
The majority of the natural labour voters don't give a toss about media allegations of antisemitism. They wanted Labour to give them their country back.
Helen Lewis remaining at her sanctimonious best - and utter contempt of the people
Labour need to realise that we 'real' people do NOT want handouts, we DO want encouragement and opportunity to do better! Pandering to us is regressive and cringeworthy. And 'punishing' rich people is plain stupid! We should all have aspirations to improve; the more money we make the more we can help each other, Labour get REAL!!
I don't disagree with you that 'real' people aspire to meritocracy... but meritocracy peddled by the conservatives is merely a mirage, the reality in this country is that cronyism, nepotism, and elitism are how the rich get so rich .. therefore punishing them isn't necessarily a bad thing in my view.
@@blackphilip8936 I simply point out the flaws of the Tories ideology and you immediately assume I'm a Labour supporter?
@Chris Cross If the conservatives actually cared about us, they would give us a nationalized healthcare system and give more benefits to the i'll and vulnerable and disabled. They don't because they simply don't care. The conservatives don't care in the slightest. Boris Johnson is a populist. He will do whatever it is to make himself popular. It is not Boris who i fear. It's those behind him who are pulling the strings who we are all really under threat by.
@Chris Cross That isn't the truth though. Like people have stated in this comment section before me. The conservatives and the right wing media lied to the general public so they could justify the deliberate under funding of the NHS. They blamed foreigners all the while they privatize and made money off of the companies that run NHS behind our backs. It's despicable but yeah. that;s whats happening.
@Chris Cross I told you the truth. If you choose to ignore and deny it. It's your problem man. What am i supposed to do about it?
Kinnock is insane,just like his father,laughable,ha ha ha!!?
I love how after the thrashing Labour got at the last election, The BBC hold it's first post election QT, not in one of the trad' Labour seats that turned to the Tories, but in Remain central, London.
Not that it's biased or anything.
The Labor bloke blamed everyone and everything but themselves.
Trying to pin it all on Jeremy C is a strange one. Like he's their scapegoat now. What a strange world we live in.
Well, heres the thing, labour have been coasting on the cult of personality since 2017, pushing Corbyn front and centre as a revolutionary figure, the man who will change the world etc. Now he has been comprehensively rejected it can only be his fault cant it? In their eyes at least. There is nobody else to blame.
Kinnock at it again "the people didn't understand"
I am one of those working class normally voting labour then changing to conservative. I, like many others, were looking for an alternative.....Boris provided it. The Scot said peoples votes must be respected......except when it’s all about independence. About time they were verbally and intellectually torn apart.....any nation in the EU is not independent, any country using another nations currency (£) is not an independent country. If they win the next one will it be best out of three?
Scotland rid themselves of LABOUR , come on England, let us too be rid of these vile wretches !
The midlands!! we are hard working people, we need industry, that who we are!! give us steel work, give us jobs!!!!!! Working jobs for English people!!!
Media bias? Against Corbyn and the labour party? 🤣😂🤣😂
Everyone knows it’s true. Just read the right wing press and embrace reality lmao
@@usn8964
Everyone who subscribed to corbyn's socialist/communist agenda that ended up losing labour the election BELIEVES it's true. However there is a difference between believing something and something actually being factually correct. Just like when people voted to leave the EU, the labour party and Corbyn BELIEVED everyone who voted leave were stupid racist xenophobes, didn't make it true though
@Ian Brown
🤣😂🤣 Yeah ok
@Ian Brown
Besides the guardian the BBC is so left wing biased it's ridiculous
Accelerationist The Sun, Mail, Telegraph, Times. Don’t play mental gymnastics, fella.
Not listening to the Scottish people? We gave them a once in a generation referendum and the people voted against independence. But the SNP, just like the EU, want to keep having referendums until they get the answer they want.
Its simple !!! Labour promised they will deliver the referendum results... But they chose to ignore the will of the people among all other issues that was mentioned.
The greatest test of courage on earth to bear defeat without losing heart
Only uttered by those on the wrong side of history and usually the argument, fancy phrases in this context are only a sign of cognitive dissonance and a refusal to admit your ideology may just be wrong.
Labour lost because it is infested with extremists. Labour bad.
@@outdoorsgiant4865 it's what happens when you stop vetting your members and allow membership for £3, you get taken over by extreme ideology or to put it another way, Momentum.
Media bias against Corbyn.
What ???
Good to see Kinnock taking it on the chin.
Why not hold QT up north?
Kinnock Labour got us in this mess.
Why isn’t Stephen Kinnock standing for Leader of his party if he feels he could do the job? Advised by his dad and wife, could it be because he will allow somebody else to do the rebuilding donkey work and then try to swoop in for the job in 3-4 years’ time.
The deafness of Labour is breathtaking...I’ll wait while you chastise me for being daft and incapable of thinking for myself.
Austerity was a world problem. Every country suffered - some still are. Boris was not leader at that time, and even if he had been, the cuts had to be made. Every government in Europe did the same thing. You can't watch a wild-fire engulf 10,000 homes and then complain that you have no water.
He did not lie about October 31st, every remainer did everything possible to block him - and they succeeded. You can't puncture somebody's tyres and then complain that he was late for the meeting.
comletely agree well said.
@@georgegarratt5559 Thank you
Labour (current) do not take responsibility for their actions (or inaction?).
Momentum and Owen Jones/Ash Sarkar need to be stopped for their spreading of lies. Very disappointed that the beeb offer a platform to these "pundits"
You listen to loony tunes, you don't buy them.
The smear campaign wasn't a "campaign", it was actually the truth. Take that from a migrant living in the UK. JC has never have had a great reputation even outside of the UK. At least people are more honest about BJ than JC.
After this decimation of labour, I really cannot see them in power for 20 plus years if not longer. Labour is all over the place and their current front bench MP's in my opinion is the worst I have ever known.
Even the Labour slogan was Anti-Semitic:
For The Manny
NOT The Jew...........Indeed !!!!!!!!!
And when was that a slogan ? Mental comment.
@@MunsterLion I see irony is not your thing. are you British , mon ami ?
Decriminalize the license fee and end This biased propaganda outfit
The power of the people is stronger than the people in power. Period.
The former British Soldier is correct, Neil Kinnock (or a suitable moderate) would’ve done far better. Your party can have it’s ideologues, but the leadership cohort must take the centre ground.
Labour have been losing the working class heartland since long before brexit. Just look at the swing from Lab to cons in the 2010 election.
You’ll lose the next one as well
It's so simple. 2 reasons: 1) The British electorate is by & large a moderate electorate and won't stand for radical manifestos (I guess you could also include the public's perception of Corbyn in this) . 2) The Tories were the only party who offered a way out of the Brexit quagmire of the last 2 years. 1 + 2 = landslide.
This isn't some mass conspiracy or a random, bizarre result. The reasoning is all there for why this happened.
I've never voted Labour and based on their current performance and behaviour I've no intention of doing so! I'd not trust them to run a bath let alone the country
The SNP is so asinine. Most people voted against them. You are saying, period.
Does Neil not remember how he wanted Labour to lose in 2017?
Is that the woman who got destroyed by Jordan Peterson in the GQ interview😂🤣
I see the totally unbiased BBC have managed to assemble a finely balanced audience as always! 😂🤣😂🤣😎