DEVASTATION At The World Series Of Poker
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2023
- This one hurts. It's heads up for a WSOP bracelet in the $25,000 Heads Up event. The opponent Chanracy Kuhn has been making some big laydowns, and an opportunity arises to make a big, but profitable, bluff. But sometimes even the best laid plans go awry. :(
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Doug going into huge detail on opponent's river calling range. Opponent's actual thought process: "FU I call."
I literally feel like that's what happened. This guy was just about done and ready to yolo. He had a pair, which is often good enough in heads-up, so he just rolled with it.
I think he was just so flustered at that point he wasn’t even thinking clearly. He just said f it. If I’m right, good, if not, this is still my biggest cash ever and I lost to arguably the best heads up player ever. His actions leading up to this were telling. He put in wrong chips, he laid down some big hands that would have won the pot. The fact that it was 8/6 which had become a major hand between the two of them also played a role. But he was visibly and clearly flustered to the point where I believe he just made a decision he may not have made.
i know right .. too much
It was an ambitious call by Kuhun on the river. However, Doug's analysis is even more ambitious, because it is hard to believe that players may consider so many combos, blockers, and variations from preflop, to flop, to turn, and to river at every hand, before reaching a decision...!!!..If they are able and willing to do it every hand, they may end up in hospital before the tournament is over..!!!
@@theowl3756 bro its a high roller HU event. they're all thinking about all of those things and more.
you played it well, except, you needed to say "you call and its all over baby!" after shoving river.
Would have been epic lmao
If he said that he wins
hahahahaah Scottie wiiiiiiiiiin
And you must be holding a beer when you say it!😎
I was thinking this, ha ha
That Asian guys shimmy at the end was pretty strong
Do you need us to crowd source you a decent mic for on the road?
Think he had to sell it after losing a million at hustler.
After his losses at Hustler he needs us to crowdsource him a tent and a sandwich.
@@DESPISEDIC0N think he only lost 50k... He only had like 5% of himself lol
@@liljonwask 25%
It was great to get to watch. Thanks Doug for all the awesome content recently!
"Anyway after that I lost. See you again next time" 😂😂
Good times Doug. It's great you got some of your own live, heads up finals content to cover. Life is good
Doug forgot one thing when it come to poker in general. It’s hard to make a pair.
Especially in heads up.
This was just awful on his part. Threw away the tournament on Q-4 off
Amateurish poker
@@Zenigundam he has Q4s. If you’re going to criticize an elite HU player’s play, maybe get the hand right? That’d be the bare minimum.
@@Zenigundam i actually cant stand doug, but he is one of the best heads up players on the planet. he is anything but amateur.
@@Masoch1styou don’t like Dougie??
Only Doug can turn a 2 minute hand into a 20 minute video
It just goes to show how his brain is like a super computer.
He processed much of this stuff live during the hand under intense pressure which is truly fascinating
and still lost 😆😆
@@PaulJohn283 😂😂😂
@@billyarsenault1970 I was happy to see Polk lose the bracelet! I hope he cried!!
He deserve to win that was great play but Khun had a great read or just said f it lol 😆 Khun said, “finally” he was just tired of missing lol 😂
Doug’s got the best attitude in general. Kudos Doug
"Well, you start chasin' it... And every time you get your hands around it, you fall further backwards." - Tony Soprano
Remember the good times, isn't that what you always say?
We couldda turned your bullshit into a million dollars!!!!
Q4, J4. T4, 84 are played this way by Doug, that's 64 combos, too bluffy imho. Maybe some randomization reduces the bluffs but I have a feeling Doug open ended + Doug haz no pair/Ace = Doug goes all in except Feb 29th between 7:32pm and 8:06pm.
Some raise the flop, some give up the river (with a club for example). So way less than 64
@Johnny you make a good point, using non club combos of unpaired 4x might make this balanced considering we can shove 2 pair+ with this SPR
It is possible this was a tactic by Kuhn, make yourself look a bit too cautious by folding a few hands on smaller pots this encourage the bluffing. Then make the call on a bigger hand. This is still risky strategy but maybe he thought he had a bit of a read.
5:16 you still need to have a hand to catch a bluffer
Fantastic explanation of not only working out what to do with your own hand, what your opponent has, but also working out what your opponent thinks you have. I have to agree with the final conclusion that the most likely hand Doug would have would be a missed flush or straight draw, or both. In which case, it's a nailed on call. Would I have jammed on the river? Mostly because of the fact that Khun called the 900k turn, I think I'd have saved what I had and checked then been forced to fold to any bet on the river. Maybe that's because I'm a bit chicken when it comes to taking a 30/70 chance of winning the pot... but then I don't have the skill and knowledge that Doug has. Fascinating to watch and learn though.
The turn call, to me was the giveaway. If Khun was on a draw of some kind, he'd probably have folded there. So, for me, I'd have bailed out on the river.
It isn’t about ‘most likely hand’ or ‘nailed on call’. It’s about balancing your spots between the correct number of bluffs vs the correct number of value hands that you shove the river with to make your opponent indifferent between a call and a fold across the whole range of hands you can both have.
Tournament, heads-up, and short-stacked is weird compared with cash full-ring. That's the pre-flop explanation.
And I love the analysis of "what happens if he jams?" because against short-stack, you lose all bluffs and all semi-bluffs, and thin value hands.
I think its admirable that you Polk fun at yourself.
I feel like most videos of doug I watch involve big river bluffs by him which makes me believe he bluffs way too often
Why not reach out to Khun himself to find out what he was thinking on the Turn and River? I think and I believe others would think his thoughts would be very interesting at those points and ultimately the driving decision to his calls. I mean you have access to the actual information and why not get it?
I don’t wanna sound like Charlie Carrell 😂 & I am also a $25NL fish, but when you raised the turn your body language was exuding confidence, almost like you are trying to look strong when you are weak, im sure your balanced but just a thought 💭
100% too strong
‘You wouldn’t wanna have a low club’
The 6c just chilling
The ten seconds starting at 11:24 had me cracking up. Really appreciate Doug's willingness to turn million-dollar bogies into a joke.
Doug - Much respect. I have learned a ton from your analysis and enjoy your watching /hearing you insights! - But this time you mention that "Game Flow" from previous hands influence the play in this 'critical' hand... and did not mention that you had made a big deal about one of your previous bluffs getting thru. When you told your opponent that you got the bluff thru, I said "Wow, that guy will call the next time its a tough call, as he KNOWs that Doug has bluffed him..." and noone likes to get bluffed. My sense was he knew you were domminating him, and would rather go out calling a bluff, than being driven off a hand. In this case, I think most people saw you dominating the match, and if you had not told him thatyou had bluffed (in what seems a very believeable way), he may have been less likely to call, when it was a close call (like with 3rd pair). - 2nd place is an amazing accomplishment, (but 1st is more fun)! Great play and thanx for the videos!
Never go broke in a limped pot
Wrong type of game
Sounds like the worst advice ever when you have like 25BB effective HU. If you limp with 45s and the flop is 443 you just…shouldn’t get it in bc it’s a limped pot? Mmmk
I love how in poker you can not want card X in your hand on the turn so that you unblock your opponent semi-bluffing with an X, and then on the river you can want an X in your hand so that you block your opponent from having hit the draw.
Seeing him flip over an 8 and a small club really would make me sad that I was now losing to someone who clearly wasn't playing optimally.
But, to be fair, he seemed to count his chips and realise he's winning this hand or losing the match - which was probably spot on.
The Negreanu bluff, the Dwan bluff, now this.. Damn Dougs a savage lmaoo
I feel like this is just a classic example of a player beginning to think he has been bluffed to much and decides to make a stand! He chose the right moment so possibly he had a sort of read, or it could’ve been a bit lucky! All the same it’s going to happen to aggressive players
Yes nailed it Khun said, “finally” when he won lol 😆
A few of the later epochs analysis by Doug, I've thought "but what are you repping" coming in late in the analyysis. It's just about other side being weak, people ❤ to stand up to that.
When you’re known as the best heads up player.. That’s gotta hurt…especially losing to an unknown player
I mean, he beat 63 other players so...many of whom are pretty big.
He’s a crusher.
It was amazing read by Khun. But play was horrible you let someone cheaply see 2 cards & call allin “hoping” he bluffs lol 😆 Hoping lol 😆 K9, J9, 78, 109, KJ there’s so many combos h2h wreck you. Any mid pair 77 +. Well earned put him on Q high basically lol 😂
And are all of Doug's card room winnings on Hendon Mob?No. So you don't know this 'guy', he could crush overseas.
Doug: Why my bad play was actually good!
The problem here is you're against an opponent here that just gets owned and is sick and tired of it haha.
Good run for 2nd; congrats!
Thanks for your thoughts on this particular hand..."and then I lost."😂
Bro hero called tf out that hand 😂
Where's the part about the cocktail waitress flipping a coin to decide you're all in?
Doug you are so good at explaining these spots, a lot of it I get conceptually but just can't put in to practise, but hey that's a new problem. Anyway that didn't laugh at the end, seriously that was quality "and then I lost". Keep up the good work, much love from Australia
"Anyway, after that I lost" 😆
16:16 "you [Khun] do not have a club in your hand, you wouldn't wanna have a low club" but the graphic shows Khun holding the 6 of clubs, that means from Khun's perspective he blocks 6x of clubs which would be pair+flush draw on the turn. Unsure if those are hands you xraise turn or take this line with but wanted to point it out nonetheless.
Those hands dont xr turn. The 6 is relevant because it blocks some 2p but thats about it
Do you fold pre-flop in the small blind to start when playing heads up...ever?
Yes, they say 72o is the worst hand, but heads up pairs matter more so 32o is the worst, keep that in mind when thinking of how the range look. You only fold the very shitty cards, like two cards 5 and under, off suit, stuff like that.
Depends on how your opponent plays, if they are too tight pre, I saw a chart that said open 90% or so, and on the BB 3bet bluff very polarized with stuff like K3o has blockers but not worried about folding to 4bet.
FYI, Ive played heads up a few times in cash games, when all tables are closed so I challenge people, knowing they will likely be too tight, which allows me to over bluff and just steal all the pots.
And once he calls the turn it's gonna be hard to get him to fold
Yep it looked like he made up his mind on the turn to call the river. Dunno what the safe cards for him to do that were tho. Maybe no 2 or 7 then.
Head to head is a totally different game end of tournament strat.
It was the flop min bet call that lost you the hand. The only hand that would make sense for Doug is 89 or K4 or AIR.
‘After that I lost’ 😆👍
At least he spoke on it… also that ad to get a bit more unstuck lol.
This is the age old good bluff but gets picked off… if you’re calling 86 here then you’re calling way too wide imo. Also if you know your opponent is bluffing and you’re calling w the 86 why are you tanking first? Feels like clicking buttons tbh.
What do you do on the river if you hit a Q?
I think he was just so flustered at that point he wasn’t even thinking clearly. He just said f it. If I’m right, good, if not, this is still my biggest cash ever and I lost to arguably the best heads up player ever. His actions leading up to this were telling. He put in wrong chips, he laid down some big hands that would have won the pot. The fact that it was 8/6 which had become a major hand between the two of them also played a role. But he was visibly and clearly flustered to the point where I believe he just made a decision he may not have made under normal conditions.
Yes nailed it. Who let’s some one with top pair 66 draw 2 cards & calls allin River your getting wrecked 80% time lol allin gets there.
Yep pretty much. The flop fold w top pair earlier on was absolutely bonkers. So it’s very clear he’s just a “feel player” to be nice. I don’t think he had much of an elaborate thought process here. Just sick of folding, didn’t believe him, and called. If he loses it’s still a big score. YOLO
"I can't tell you for sure whether this is wrong or bad, or anything, maybe it's totally fine, I'm not sure.."
I think this all the time about my play. 😏
You would find hands that play out like this at the micro stakes, pretty funny to see it here too.
Some microstakes fishes do a lot of things right, which microstakes regs should try to learn from. But they make even more things very wrong :P
Thx for the breakdown, your line is more understandable now. However, your general perception is leaning towards the loose-aggressive side, capable of making big 3-street bluffs, thus making it more likely you'll get called down more often than not, so this decision may have been rushed a little bit. But congrats on the tourney anyways, it's still a nice score!
Doug is pretty balanced…I doubt he overbluffs relative to GTO
@@GThOe Yeah man, can't believe the ego of some of these people lol. "I know better than Doug". Sure you do, buddy.
@@bp56789 yea I wanna see some of these commenters graphs Lmfao
The guy folded top pair to one bet in a single raised pot. There’s no elaborate thought process here. He just decided he was done folding and clicked call, and happened to be right. Really all there is to it. If Doug had 42 74 K3 K5 K6 96 78 etc. or a slowplayed flop set, nobody would be making all of these crazy comments about Doug having tells or whatever. They’d be like wow what a bad call w 86! Good win!
But people are naturally extremely results oriented. It is what it is.
@@BOnYTB yeah, I think you’re spot on.
Doug Doug Doug . .just wait till you got him bro .. why ya gota be like that
Nice run D.P., Next year!🍀
Can someone please explain what hand(s) Doug is represent on every street?
After the turn xr any hand better than K8
Thanks. ✌🏻👊🏼
"Hey doug" that is what i told you yesterday as i was walkin with my kid through bellagio... could see some frustration and concentration in you as you walked by. Was takin my daughter by the poker room so i could show her where her dad basically lived for years in the early 2000's. Will assume by this video title that's why you werent so happy as you walked by. Hope you feel better bro.
4-D Poker: You played your hand like your Q was a K, and he played his like the 8 was a 9
I think you can chalk this one up to a timing tell. All-inning too fast even if he's on no time banks is the only thing that even gives him the idea to call
This was my thoughts as well, the jerk he had with the all in looked a little suss. i am sure Doug would know if he is balanced in this, but i have seen him take a lot longer in spots for a shove in the past. This is the fastest i have seen him shove
For me I noticed a lot facial expressions saying
"Yeah, I raised you, what do you think about that, huh?"
"Gotcha, didnt I"
*Quick All-in* "I guess I made it this far, lets shove"
imagine slowing the speed down of these hand pauses 😅 I cant imagine but if someone is must be hard to think od
I wonder…if the river is a 7 (obviously we shove) is Kuhn going to call 🤔
Can you type Headings with Doug Polk: Devastation at the World Series of Poker so i dont have to click the link. I just want to watch without any commentary.
You got soul read here. What a bad beat getting called by a hand like that lol
That's not what bad beat means
hey doug can you get a retired vet a dealer job at the lodge lol love the content btw
Even though you took and L still GREAT break down. GL next time!
It was an ambitious call by Kuhn on the river. However, Doug's analysis is even more ambitious, because it is hard to believe that every player considers every conceivable combos, blockers, and every variations from preflop, to flop, to turn, and to river at every hand, before reaching a decision...!!!..If they are able and willing to do it every hand, they may end up in hospital before the tournament is over..!!!
i bet they can consider many variations throughtout the hands more than you maybe thinking.
whats the biggest deal though is, even if they play mostly on instinct they have to sharpen their instinct with this analysing.
You vastly underestimate how pro poker players think then, they are thinking about all those things.
The variables aren't even that hard to consider in this hand and you can just immediately start erasing large chunks of both players possible hands based on the limp and check preflop. "78 got there but I have 8 so that helps a little" isn't exactly superbrain thought process.
@@chrisadmaley I would like to think you are correct. But in reality. it appears you are elevating a group of gamblers to the level of great scientists, which I think is overly optimistic. Even if such rare and exceptional individuals exist in poker, their number is very limited. Most great players have great instincts that is effective most of the time.
The bigger issue is that if a poker player is using analytical skills that resembles Chess at highest level, such skill is only useful if the opponent is also playing Chess at highest level. The few hands shown in this video, indicates that Kuhn is not at that level. That's why Doug's long-winded description is not very helpful.
@@theowl3756 lol its not "great scientists"....the pros that play poker every day are very good a statistics and knowing the odds of a lot of different options. you can't play on instincts and last very long. They all play the odds. Thats how you make good calls vs bad calls..in the long run of playing you will win money is what they operate on.
You are so fucking funny Doug, Love your work
Was there a way to win this hand post flop?
"I have to give credit"......,yeah Doug he beat you.
HONEY HE CALLED ME WITH 86o
I prefer the TJ Cloutier method. When you miss the flop it’s time to stop.
He knows you’re probably check raising any club draw on the turn so he said fuck it and called you down.
Polk that was great play but you don’t think bet sizing on the turn reraise was low? 950K just under 1M psychological number also. Awesome 👏 though I think most players fold rarely they just call 😅double barrel I was impressed. Honestly you play your game & if you get called or unlucky live with it. Great play congrats on top 2 cash amazing run.
I just don't like having the 4 on the river once he calls the turn. We block some hands that we fold out. I think we should have some give ups here as played. We don't always have to barrel when we check raise the turn. Also, the way Doug snap shoved the river when an obvious straight draw gets there is kind of fishy. If he just check folds theyll still be more hands to come with roughly the same stack. Just a brutal ICM punt imho.
ICM doesn't apply heads up.
(Outer Circle-You) (Inner Circle-Him)
What does geometric mean here?
You played it very well but this is the definition of one of the problems. You can play as well as you can, study and play note perfect gto which you did and it made so much sense here. And then you get one player that just deviates and goes against everything you thought he would and calls you down for shits and giggles.
Whats up guys its helicopter polk here😂
I don't know much gto, but if he made two big folds before this , jjst dont bluff your whole stack. He is more inclined to hero call because he thinks he is getting bullied, and there are tons of spots where bluffing doesnt require your whole stack and you can find those spots instead. Overall, when you are 2:1 chips and *presumably* better player - dont bluff your stack out thats the only way you loose
Not how it works most of the time I'd say.
Other options:
He just did this twice why would he do it again if he has this image?
He's focused on gto why would he deviate? (Not good because that means bluff catching river is 0EV so why not go for it) or (he has < or > bluff from range analysis, Doug suggests
By Doug suggesting < it implies he is most likely under bluffing the spot. Illogical to call light.
"DO YOU SEE IT GUYS? IF YOU SEE IT GUYS DONT SAY ANYTHING" ;)
Idk whats more savage punting off 7 mil or calling with a pair of 6's
Looks like he just felt like you’re full off bs, should be nice to push river with any thin value than
I can’t believe he had the balls to make that call. Amazing. Makes for entertaining poker to watch.
You should have it in those spots, he played it well againts your range is second pair in hu just too good to fold there
Bro u might as well use your laptop Mic… not sure if it’s just too much gain but 🤷🏼
Bro Kuhn read you like a book. His live read trumped your GTO
🎯 exploitative > gto
Is that what explains the hilarious q6 fold?
I'm a player from Brazil and I also make poker videos, I'm very inspired by Doug
Doug I think your analysis is always great. However I do think you failed to account for one thing in your commentary on the river. Some of youd hands that were semi bluffs that check raised on the turn now have showdown value on the river. So Khun is thinking you would now check back with any 9X holdings as it is second pair. Also, although you personally wouldn’t check raise the turn with a hand that has a lot of equity but would still hate to face a shove, he does not know that about you. Most players DO check raise with combo draws on the turn with a disregard for the fact they might get jammed on and hate that spot. So Khun is thinking you do have a lot of missed straight draws that have turned a flush draw and have completely missed river. He does not know that you would just call the turn with a straight draw flush draw as most opponents (wrongly in your view) check raise the turn with those types of holdings.
I was there now I’m in your video :))
You forgot to scream 'foooooold'. Beginner mistake Doug.
You are so classy man. We all have to learn how to lose from you. Lova yo staff
This looks like a game flow hand.
Is Khun a pro? He looks more like a business man type
I have a question on calling river jam. >Doug shouldn’t JAM w missed clubs
>Kuhn having the 6c is bad because it blocked missed clubs
Which one is it?! If Doug isn’t supposed to jam missed clubs, the 6c is actually good for Kuhn… right?
Yes it's generally good for Kuhn to have a club on the river. In this case the club is a pair making it less relevant since pair plus FD don't raise turn and jam river.
This analysis is just 😂😂😂
As much as you look up to the right, your wife must be standing there telling you that you are late for dinner and in a lot of trouble.......lol
It was foolish to hope to beat Khun, the genius strategist light bearer from the Tower of God (or someone from his family rather) :P
More seriously.. if I had his name I'd definitely die my hair blue
Doug, I just want to take the time,, to let you know............ ..... ... YOUR ON THE OUTS!!!! 😂🤣😅😅😆 # IwishIwasApartOfTheCoolKids
Doug are you saying you didn’t make a mistake and if you played it again it would turn out the same way?
Bluffing most of your chips with Q high and over cards on the board seems high risk in a tourney final…imo. the bet sizings looked all wrong to sell the bluff too. I think you got a little overconfident and maybe in a hurry to win and he read your bluff like a book.
It's really hard to criticize this hand. The only idea I had was to tank-shove river. This is anything but a punt.
turn raise is likely unbalanced. Do you find the 6x raises here? BB has few KX too and he blocks 6x raises on turn
Anyway, after that, I lost! How many times have I said that.
The guy folded top pair to one bet in a single raised pot. There’s no elaborate thought process here. He just decided he was done folding and clicked call, and happened to be right. Really all there is to it. If Doug had 42 74 K3 K5 K6 96 78 etc. or a slowplayed flop set, nobody would be making all of these crazy comments about Doug having tells or whatever. They’d be like wow what a bad call w 86! Good win!
But people are naturally extremely results oriented. It is what it is.
16:44 - barrelling Q4 isn't aggressive? lol