With LoRa the range is typically 10km +/-10km. Yes, you read that right. I can get 200m in cluttered urban areas, but have got 30km to a tower on a high building.
Ive built quite a few lora projects and the one thing all these boards lack is a tp5110. Even in sleep mode the tiny current consumption still drains the battery after a few days but with a 5110 the current is so low its almost immeasurable. Some of mine have been running for over a year now on 1x18650 and a ldo regulator with the tp5110 controlling sleep time.
Hi James W, Thanks for your comment! Indeed the 5110 is super efficient (35nA!!), and it is a great idea to use for most (if not every) node project. We will consider adding them into future dev boards. And if the expLoRaBLE ever needs/gets a revision, we will definitely consider it for this product as well. As a potential solution for some, you might consider our nano power timer board (our little breakout board for the TPL5110). For now, I will add it to our "frequently bought together" list and mention it in the hookup guide. Out of curiosity, when you utilize a 5110 in your projects, do you mostly use "timer" and/or "one-shot" mode? (we are considering a revision to our nano power timer to include support for one-shot). Thanks again. Cheers!
@@var67 The connection destination (p2p or gateway) isn't relevant in the unlicensed bands. There is a maximum on-air time specified. Some modules enforce that. Note that the number of messages does depend a lot on the SF (spreading factor) as the radio time also depends a lot on that (more range corresponds with less messages)
I am interested in this board mainly because of the low power chip 6uA/mhz is amazing. I'd love to see more boards using its MCU. But LoRa is cool too. Edit: I found some more boards like the Artemis ATP and Artemis Nano. Interesting boards!
It would be very useful if you also told us how big it is. It would be great for a security system while out camping just to alert you if someone/something is headed your way.
@@jimlahey5354 Of course. :) But in other countries like the US where there is a real risk of being attacked by criminals, it would also be nice to have. Many people go missing while out camping and I am sure it is not only because of bears.
The Raspberry Pi Pico is an entirely different product from the ExpLoRaBLE. The Pico is a microcontroller with some I/O that runs micropython or C/C++. The ExpLoRaBLE is specifically designed as a LoRa/LoRaWAN and BLE developer board that contains both a microcontroller and a transceiver. In order to do similar things with the Pico, you would need to attach an additional LoRa or BLE capable board to it to gain those functionalities. Do not compare the two thinking that they are the same thing. The ExpLoRaBLE is fairly well priced for its functionality, considering how few LoRa capable development boards there are in that price range. Arduino does have a competitor for the ExpLoRaBLE, called the MKR WAN 1300. However, that board does not have BLE compatibility, has a lower transmit power for LoRa, and does not seem to have capability for 2 way communication. The MKR WAN 1300 may be a better option for some people with specific projects, and is slightly cheaper than the ExpLoRaBLE. I am excited for this product however, and from its specifications I would highly recommend it over the MKR WAN 1300 due to greatly increased functionality for a small amount of money.. I am in no way affiliated with any of the 3 products discussed above, and have yet to personally use any of them. I am experience with Raspberry Pi's and Arduinos, and am building conclusions based off of the datasheets I have found.
For localization, LoRa systems use RSSI (Received Signal Strength Indicator) from multiple gateways to locate an object, and there can be variances from outside noise or interference, physical obstructions, etc. I believe that localization error of several meters over a 100 meter range is not unusual. Of course, the more stationary points the unit can "see", the more accurate the localization becomes.
These bloopers really make me feel more human. thank you
Amazed at the distance covered.
With LoRa the range is typically 10km +/-10km. Yes, you read that right.
I can get 200m in cluttered urban areas, but have got 30km to a tower on a high building.
Ive built quite a few lora projects and the one thing all these boards lack is a tp5110. Even in sleep mode the tiny current consumption still drains the battery after a few days but with a 5110 the current is so low its almost immeasurable. Some of mine have been running for over a year now on 1x18650 and a ldo regulator with the tp5110 controlling sleep time.
Hi James W,
Thanks for your comment! Indeed the 5110 is super efficient (35nA!!), and it is a great idea to use for most (if not every) node project. We will consider adding them into future dev boards. And if the expLoRaBLE ever needs/gets a revision, we will definitely consider it for this product as well. As a potential solution for some, you might consider our nano power timer board (our little breakout board for the TPL5110).
For now, I will add it to our "frequently bought together" list and mention it in the hookup guide.
Out of curiosity, when you utilize a 5110 in your projects, do you mostly use "timer" and/or "one-shot" mode? (we are considering a revision to our nano power timer to include support for one-shot). Thanks again. Cheers!
Looks like a fantastic product - bringing together a sensible grouping of elements without trying to be too inclusive. Great video too. Thank you.
Thanks. Stay safe and being kind. Good advice.
If I'm not mistaken, with that message frequency, if you leave it on the whole day you will vastly exceed the allowed duty cycle for LoRa
@@var67 The connection destination (p2p or gateway) isn't relevant in the unlicensed bands. There is a maximum on-air time specified. Some modules enforce that. Note that the number of messages does depend a lot on the SF (spreading factor) as the radio time also depends a lot on that (more range corresponds with less messages)
There's a recent video from The Things Network that covers this a bit: ruclips.net/video/0PCRI37ECoQ/видео.html
3:20 alone and outside... good thing you have your mask on!
The cutest Ljubljana pronunciation ever
And you are correct, I just deployed noise sensoring network in Ljubljana. It uses ESP32 with ESPNOW and all sorts of other IOT goodies.
I am interested in this board mainly because of the low power chip 6uA/mhz is amazing. I'd love to see more boards using its MCU. But LoRa is cool too. Edit: I found some more boards like the Artemis ATP and Artemis Nano. Interesting boards!
Yo, Calgary shoutout, woo!
It would be very useful if you also told us how big it is.
It would be great for a security system while out camping just to alert you if someone/something is headed your way.
You mean while you're doing something illegal?
@@jimlahey5354 Of course. :)
But in other countries like the US where there is a real risk of being attacked by criminals, it would also be nice to have. Many people go missing while out camping and I am sure it is not only because of bears.
Can it do Australia's 915Mhz frequency?
You mentioned localiztion without gps. But I see nothing about that in the product description. Any links to info?
What about the raspberry pi pico
The Raspberry Pi Pico is an entirely different product from the ExpLoRaBLE. The Pico is a microcontroller with some I/O that runs micropython or C/C++. The ExpLoRaBLE is specifically designed as a LoRa/LoRaWAN and BLE developer board that contains both a microcontroller and a transceiver. In order to do similar things with the Pico, you would need to attach an additional LoRa or BLE capable board to it to gain those functionalities. Do not compare the two thinking that they are the same thing. The ExpLoRaBLE is fairly well priced for its functionality, considering how few LoRa capable development boards there are in that price range.
Arduino does have a competitor for the ExpLoRaBLE, called the MKR WAN 1300. However, that board does not have BLE compatibility, has a lower transmit power for LoRa, and does not seem to have capability for 2 way communication. The MKR WAN 1300 may be a better option for some people with specific projects, and is slightly cheaper than the ExpLoRaBLE. I am excited for this product however, and from its specifications I would highly recommend it over the MKR WAN 1300 due to greatly increased functionality for a small amount of money..
I am in no way affiliated with any of the 3 products discussed above, and have yet to personally use any of them. I am experience with Raspberry Pi's and Arduinos, and am building conclusions based off of the datasheets I have found.
What is the resolution of the gps?
I meant what is the resolution of the localization that is happening without gps?
For localization, LoRa systems use RSSI (Received Signal Strength Indicator) from multiple gateways to locate an object, and there can be variances from outside noise or interference, physical obstructions, etc. I believe that localization error of several meters over a 100 meter range is not unusual. Of course, the more stationary points the unit can "see", the more accurate the localization becomes.
This technology is doomed to fail, what's that price! Imagine hooking it to a constraint gauge to measure a load or temperature!!!
This is insane.
Are people getting smarter? No.