I think that Microsoft knows exactly how much people care about banjo kazooie and that’s why they haven’t done anything with it. They would have to nail everything, the tone, the humour, the music, the level design or people would be outraged. The late 90’s rare that made banjo kazooie was kind of like lightning in the bottle and that’s not the rare we have anymore. They would need the perfect creators to nail a banjo threeie, they couldn’t just slap together a team of devs to recreate that kind of magic. They know that from experience. The banjo game that they made people hated it and the original rare devs that made banjo kazooie even came together to make a spiritual successor with yooka-laylee and people hated it. They’re not going to spend a bunch of money to have the same thing happen again and butcher the franchise. There would have to be a lot of variables that would have to fall into the right places at the right time for them to make a banjo game that they would be proud of and that would make everyone happy and they know that. I think they want to do something with the franchise and I’m sure that one day they will but for now I think they’re rightfully being careful with it and trying to treat it with the respect it deserves.
Even if a new Banjo game were to be released, it would likely flop on Xbox. The fanbase is still largely found on Nintendo consoles, which is why Banjo and Kazooie were added as newcomers in the latest Smash game.
It would also release on the switch then. Honestly astro bot did great, so there is a non nintendo plat former audience. And Xbox for the most part doesn't do exclusives anymore.
They're embarrassed by mascots and games aimed at kids. Both Microsoft and Rare are embarrassed of their past. I hate that. They shouldn't be making games if they are embarrassed by them. Kick them out and put someone in charge who loves games.
Reminds me of that trend in old superhero movies where they would shy away from their original costumes and catch-phrases, and even make fun of them, just because the source material was a little campy. It took us 2 decades to finally see Wolverine in his yellow spandex because of that
Banjo-Kazooie coming to Smash was one of the happiest days of my life, because despite my distaste for the series, it made so, SO many people happy, and it gave me reason to smile and be excited for the reveal. Its actually quite contrary to when i get a character I want in Smash, cuz everyone hates Fire Emblem so all i get to see if people raging 😔
I'm one of the like 5 people on the planet that actually thought Byleth going to Smash made sense and I actually liked them being added. But what do I know. 💀
@@landonwinstead8205 Yet more Pokémon is perfectly acceptable. Fire Emblem has a new cast of characters every game, similar to Final Fantasy, you can’t just pick one or two, but I highly doubt people would be upset having 8 playable FF characters. People just seem to hate on Fire Emblem as a whole after Corrin was added to Smash 4 before Fates even came out.
It's wild that you mentioned it not having a romhacking scene on par with OOT when I feel like it's romhacking scene is even stronger than OOT, pretty sure we have a guy who famously puts out at least two romhacks every Holiday season and is working on two full length hacks right now. You're right about BK being less popular than OOT but the romhcking scenes for OOT is only just now starting to take off while BK has a pretty big head start. That aside, man I really didn't need to hear a microsoft staff say this, even if it was a joke, it's in very poor taste to do this when the fans have been begging and waiting for so long.
I think the main difference between the OOT romhacking scene and the BK one is that while BK has more romhacks in general, OOT has more people playing them. So they're both excelling at different things imo. Kurko Mods puts in so much WORK though with their BK romhacks, I've played quite a few and they're all well done. I think it's wild that with BK's decomp being done, we're about to see a surge of even MORE romhacks! I've heard the current method of making them for BK is really miserable but the entire process is about to be way, way, way smoother and that's super exciting!
@@amaliasolaris That's fair, yeah. I don't really follow streaming but I can imagine more people streaming Zelda than Banjo. And I am also looking forward to the future of BK and Zelda mods now that there's decomps.
It's a Schrödinger's cat situation, I'm afraid. Whether or not they were joking the backlash does prove there is interest. Even so, i still wish Microsoft never bought Rare. It was a loss for everyone.
Speaking of companies not doing anything with beloved IPs, when the hell is Capcom gonna do anything with Okami?? Like, please, i'm sure Nintendo would happily purchase the rights to both Banjo-Kazooie and Okami (tho Microsoft knows they can hold that one over Nintendo forever). Nintendo bought a dead IP and revitalized it once, now we have FOUR Bayonetta games. I trust them over anyone else to breathe new life into old and abandoned IPs
People have been asking for more during the last two decades. It's not just something that popped up recently. People have asked for Banjo Kazooie all the time. Microsoft and Rare keep choosing to ignore it.
Is not like we do not care its that they murdered the franchise in a very brutal way. Sometimes we dont need a franchise we need just a good remembered game instead of dragging it off until it becomes a villain..... Banjo should had left like a hero.
Nuts and Bolts isn't that bad of a game! I could appreciate it for what it is, and had fun building vehicles. It's just not a very good *Banjo-Kazooie* game, y'know? I think people went in with certain expectations and those expectations weren't met.
That's the impression I've always gotten about Nuts and Bolts... I really wanna give it a try someday. I think the building aspect looks pretty neat tbh!
Those expectations were warranted. They showcased an animated teaser that was clearly suggesting the proper sequel fans were pining for, and it ended up being bait. A lot of newer, younger players (like me) seem to not be aware of this-- I'm fairly certain you can still find it archived on RUclips or elsewhere online. I can understand that it may seem like people are hating Nuts and Bolts for the heck of it, but it comes off as a tad bit disingenuous when I see people defend it and Conker Live and Reloaded... when the reasons for why players felt, and STILL feel, bitter were justified.
At this point, Microsoft should just sell the Banjo-Kazooie IP to Nintendo if they won't do anything with it but make merch and port a few games to NSO.
The quote was taken out of context. He said it as a joke/sarcasm, he didn't actually mean it seriously. Everyone at Xbox knows the love for bird and bear.
It's a harsh truth my generation refuses to come with, but yeah... Banjo was really just a thing of my 90's babies generation. Banjo being in Smash is a miracle, honestly. Banjo is in the dusts of time for the same reason my favorites like Musashi or Xenosaga are... the bean counter big wigs and writers said the story is done and thier was no further cash to be milked from the cow. Now can these things be reinvigorated? Yes! But you need project rainfall big consumer movements to make that happen. I could cry about Mischief Makers the same way, but I don't because the power of PC exists, and I can play whatever I want.
As a fello longtime fan of this series, i hate to say it but theres most likely not gonna be a new banjo game unless microsoft itself wants to make it. This is because the og banjo team like grant kirkhope and other directly stated that they would like to move on to work on other things rather than revive older IPs, its a bummer ik but its sadly truth
When Nintendo still cares more about Banjo than Microsoft ever did. I'll never understand why they bought Rare. Microsoft doesn't know how to manage any of their studios.
The reaction to Banjo in Smash puts paid to that lie. This guy just doesn't want to put in the work, and doesn't even understand what sort of work would need to be done. Banjo doesn't need a AAA budget, it needs a small, actually passionate team, it needs an art style not high end graphics, and it needs Grant Kirkhope. You barely need to write anything, either. A simple conflict, a few dozen magical world spaces, a funny or sympathetic character in each world. Maybe if the last game hadn't been crappy offbrand lego racer and had actually been a 3d platformer collectathon, but Microsoft already tried "broadening the demographic", and they failed utterly.
NSO. For real, this is Microsofts own fault. No one cares? Okay, put your money where your mouth is and release a Banjo collection on ALL platforms and prove it with sales charts if you lose money on that HD collection.
On 5:00, I don't really think it's tin foil hat at all, I don't think gaming execs deserve the benefit of the doubt for such comments, especially when all indications seem to point against them.
I feel like he just joking or talking out his ass, I mean u can’t just say no one cares abt banjo kazooie and then port banjo tooie to NSO kinda contradictory even for marketing
Bro im 20 years old and since i learned it existed i played it on my crappy phone emulator with touch controls wich was horrible 4 years ago. I 100% it and it was horrible BUT THE GAME WAS JUST SO GOOD. i bought a switch for banjo in smash and then a xbox 360 for banjo wich did not work and i bought a xbox one with rare replay. Im not joking i have no other games for those platforms except these since im a playstation guy. I bought the amiibo i bought the controller holder Ive made my own jiggy pillow Ive commented under every rare video since 3 years Yes young people still love banjo
*I'm not trying to defend a multi trillion dollar corporation like Microsoft, but hear me out for a second.* First, It takes time to develop video games in the modern era. If Microsoft was to announce a brand new BK game today, most likely, we wouldn't see it until the next console generation. Secondly, Game development also takes a lot of money and resources, Like honest question how big do you want Banjo and Kazooie Thriee to be? Are we talking side project, AA, AAA because then it's gonna cost hundreds of millions to make and God forbid if it false to turn a profit just like Hi-Fi Rush don't get me wrong it was a critical darling game that people universally loved but unfortunately the game didn't make money. God forbid if that happens people will lose their jobs and none of us want that. Lastly, who's going to make it? the lead developers at rare said it them selves that they are currently not interested in making a sequel right now not that they don't want to but because they're busy with Sea of thieves at the moment, so most like Microsoft will have to out source it to brand new developers who probably won't capture the same magic of the original. All I'm trying to say at the end of the day is, it's not that there's a lack of interest in a Banjo and Kazooie franchise it's just the hurdles that it will take to even get a new game that people don't think about.
This topic have gone too far. Dan, "Puerta al Sótano", (the guy who shouted "BANJO-KAZOOIE!") just started a whole mess... People should research for the original source. Probably Aaron Greenberg just wanted to be funny, and according to Dan, it was actually funny for the other assistants. For me, joke or not, it was very rude, but who knows what Aaron actually meant. As far as I know he tends to be a bit trolly, but imagine being a foreign in a Xbox event and someone from Xbox says something like that :|
I feel disappointed I was mislead by the title. Intentionally leaving out the quotation marks on the title, but then adding them in the description. I will press dislike and wish you a nice day!
_"It's MY IP to sit on and do nothing with!"_
At least the Gwimbly CEO is honest with what he does, unlike real-life gaming corporations.
I think that Microsoft knows exactly how much people care about banjo kazooie and that’s why they haven’t done anything with it. They would have to nail everything, the tone, the humour, the music, the level design or people would be outraged. The late 90’s rare that made banjo kazooie was kind of like lightning in the bottle and that’s not the rare we have anymore. They would need the perfect creators to nail a banjo threeie, they couldn’t just slap together a team of devs to recreate that kind of magic. They know that from experience. The banjo game that they made people hated it and the original rare devs that made banjo kazooie even came together to make a spiritual successor with yooka-laylee and people hated it. They’re not going to spend a bunch of money to have the same thing happen again and butcher the franchise. There would have to be a lot of variables that would have to fall into the right places at the right time for them to make a banjo game that they would be proud of and that would make everyone happy and they know that. I think they want to do something with the franchise and I’m sure that one day they will but for now I think they’re rightfully being careful with it and trying to treat it with the respect it deserves.
Well said
Even if a new Banjo game were to be released, it would likely flop on Xbox. The fanbase is still largely found on Nintendo consoles, which is why Banjo and Kazooie were added as newcomers in the latest Smash game.
Nintendo shouldn't have let Rare go to Microsoft.
It would also release on the switch then. Honestly astro bot did great, so there is a non nintendo plat former audience. And Xbox for the most part doesn't do exclusives anymore.
They're embarrassed by mascots and games aimed at kids. Both Microsoft and Rare are embarrassed of their past. I hate that. They shouldn't be making games if they are embarrassed by them. Kick them out and put someone in charge who loves games.
Reminds me of that trend in old superhero movies where they would shy away from their original costumes and catch-phrases, and even make fun of them, just because the source material was a little campy. It took us 2 decades to finally see Wolverine in his yellow spandex because of that
@@gnarwhal7562"I never look back, darling. It distracts me from the now."
@@gnarwhal7562 I just want them to wear underwear on the outside of their pants like real adults.
I wish Microsoft would just sell Banjo and Conker to Nintendo or Toys For Bob. These franchises have so much potential
Microsoft owns Toy for Bob
Banjo-Kazooie coming to Smash was one of the happiest days of my life, because despite my distaste for the series, it made so, SO many people happy, and it gave me reason to smile and be excited for the reveal. Its actually quite contrary to when i get a character I want in Smash, cuz everyone hates Fire Emblem so all i get to see if people raging 😔
I'm one of the like 5 people on the planet that actually thought Byleth going to Smash made sense and I actually liked them being added. But what do I know. 💀
@@amaliasolarisit made sense but people got annoyed with so many fire emblem characters
@@landonwinstead8205 Yet more Pokémon is perfectly acceptable. Fire Emblem has a new cast of characters every game, similar to Final Fantasy, you can’t just pick one or two, but I highly doubt people would be upset having 8 playable FF characters. People just seem to hate on Fire Emblem as a whole after Corrin was added to Smash 4 before Fates even came out.
@@amaliasolaris Legit I saw Byleth’s announcement and knew immediately my day was going to be ruined by the vocal majority.
He clarified in a tweet that it was sarcasm. But omg the music selection in the background is peak
He was just trying to save his ass because people called him out
@@pretzelboi64 nah you 100 percent correct homie
its kinda funny that nintendo cares about banjo kazooie more then microsoft dose.
Watching Spyro and Crash's revival era was enough for Microsoft to jump in specially after bringing them back for Smash
we care so little that fans decompiled the entire source code.
It's wild that you mentioned it not having a romhacking scene on par with OOT when I feel like it's romhacking scene is even stronger than OOT, pretty sure we have a guy who famously puts out at least two romhacks every Holiday season and is working on two full length hacks right now. You're right about BK being less popular than OOT but the romhcking scenes for OOT is only just now starting to take off while BK has a pretty big head start.
That aside, man I really didn't need to hear a microsoft staff say this, even if it was a joke, it's in very poor taste to do this when the fans have been begging and waiting for so long.
I think the main difference between the OOT romhacking scene and the BK one is that while BK has more romhacks in general, OOT has more people playing them. So they're both excelling at different things imo. Kurko Mods puts in so much WORK though with their BK romhacks, I've played quite a few and they're all well done. I think it's wild that with BK's decomp being done, we're about to see a surge of even MORE romhacks! I've heard the current method of making them for BK is really miserable but the entire process is about to be way, way, way smoother and that's super exciting!
@@amaliasolaris That's fair, yeah. I don't really follow streaming but I can imagine more people streaming Zelda than Banjo. And I am also looking forward to the future of BK and Zelda mods now that there's decomps.
It's a Schrödinger's cat situation, I'm afraid. Whether or not they were joking the backlash does prove there is interest.
Even so, i still wish Microsoft never bought Rare. It was a loss for everyone.
As much as I'm happy for Sea of Thieves fans, then making 1 super hit game vs us losing out on so many IPs just doesn't feel worth it.
At least Banjo Tooie is coming out on switch online
Yep, I cant wait till tomorrow!
thing of producers being pessimistic
Grant Kirkhope is too.
I've never come across this channel before until now but Imma be completely honest I love the sound of your voice.
That's so kind of you! Thank you! 💚
Speaking of companies not doing anything with beloved IPs, when the hell is Capcom gonna do anything with Okami?? Like, please, i'm sure Nintendo would happily purchase the rights to both Banjo-Kazooie and Okami (tho Microsoft knows they can hold that one over Nintendo forever). Nintendo bought a dead IP and revitalized it once, now we have FOUR Bayonetta games. I trust them over anyone else to breathe new life into old and abandoned IPs
Then why did Star Fox Zero fail?
@@X2011racer Doesn’t Star Fox only have like, 2 good games anyway?
@@CorynSilver Make it 4. Star Fox, Star Fox 2, Star Fox 64, and Star Fox Assault.
People have been asking for more during the last two decades. It's not just something that popped up recently. People have asked for Banjo Kazooie all the time. Microsoft and Rare keep choosing to ignore it.
Is not like we do not care its that they murdered the franchise in a very brutal way. Sometimes we dont need a franchise we need just a good remembered game instead of dragging it off until it becomes a villain..... Banjo should had left like a hero.
It was Rare who decided to abandon Banjoo and Kazooie...
Nuts and Bolts isn't that bad of a game! I could appreciate it for what it is, and had fun building vehicles.
It's just not a very good *Banjo-Kazooie* game, y'know? I think people went in with certain expectations and those expectations weren't met.
That's the impression I've always gotten about Nuts and Bolts... I really wanna give it a try someday. I think the building aspect looks pretty neat tbh!
Those expectations were warranted. They showcased an animated teaser that was clearly suggesting the proper sequel fans were pining for, and it ended up being bait.
A lot of newer, younger players (like me) seem to not be aware of this-- I'm fairly certain you can still find it archived on RUclips or elsewhere online. I can understand that it may seem like people are hating Nuts and Bolts for the heck of it, but it comes off as a tad bit disingenuous when I see people defend it and Conker Live and Reloaded... when the reasons for why players felt, and STILL feel, bitter were justified.
@@anobody4606 the teaser didnt suggest anything people got themselves too hyped up and were too bitter to enjoy a good game
was hoping you'd talk about this. poor banjo
You’re right nobody cares what we’re waiting on is donkey Kong 64
They bought Rare solely for Conker, that's why they actually acknowledged his series for a while.
Source?
I bloody do!
It's probably safe to say most of the jinjos care about Banjo-Kazooie.
At this point, Microsoft should just sell the Banjo-Kazooie IP to Nintendo if they won't do anything with it but make merch and port a few games to NSO.
The quote was taken out of context. He said it as a joke/sarcasm, he didn't actually mean it seriously. Everyone at Xbox knows the love for bird and bear.
I love banjo kazui on the n64
This is why i have not bought an xbox sine the original xbox.
It's a harsh truth my generation refuses to come with, but yeah... Banjo was really just a thing of my 90's babies generation.
Banjo being in Smash is a miracle, honestly. Banjo is in the dusts of time for the same reason my favorites like Musashi or Xenosaga are... the bean counter big wigs and writers said the story is done and thier was no further cash to be milked from the cow.
Now can these things be reinvigorated? Yes! But you need project rainfall big consumer movements to make that happen.
I could cry about Mischief Makers the same way, but I don't because the power of PC exists, and I can play whatever I want.
I'm not a pro But will be more than happy to replay that game again
"If anybody cares about Banjo-Kazooie, then why hasn't anyone bought a new Banjo-Kazooie game in 15 years?" -Microsoft probably
As a fello longtime fan of this series, i hate to say it but theres most likely not gonna be a new banjo game unless microsoft itself wants to make it. This is because the og banjo team like grant kirkhope and other directly stated that they would like to move on to work on other things rather than revive older IPs, its a bummer ik but its sadly truth
When Nintendo still cares more about Banjo than Microsoft ever did. I'll never understand why they bought Rare. Microsoft doesn't know how to manage any of their studios.
The reaction to Banjo in Smash puts paid to that lie. This guy just doesn't want to put in the work, and doesn't even understand what sort of work would need to be done. Banjo doesn't need a AAA budget, it needs a small, actually passionate team, it needs an art style not high end graphics, and it needs Grant Kirkhope. You barely need to write anything, either. A simple conflict, a few dozen magical world spaces, a funny or sympathetic character in each world.
Maybe if the last game hadn't been crappy offbrand lego racer and had actually been a 3d platformer collectathon, but Microsoft already tried "broadening the demographic", and they failed utterly.
NSO.
For real, this is Microsofts own fault.
No one cares? Okay, put your money where your mouth is and release a Banjo collection on ALL platforms and prove it with sales charts if you lose money on that HD collection.
Phil spencer said banjo fans we hear you if the time is right and we got the right studio we will bring them back.
Was my hope destroyed again?
Banjo game would actually help sell Xbox units lol
On 5:00, I don't really think it's tin foil hat at all, I don't think gaming execs deserve the benefit of the doubt for such comments, especially when all indications seem to point against them.
>Nobody cares about banjo kazooie
>backlash vids get less than 10,000 views
sad
I feel like he just joking or talking out his ass, I mean u can’t just say no one cares abt banjo kazooie and then port banjo tooie to NSO kinda contradictory even for marketing
Does not matter on wich platform banjo threeie will release. I will buy the whole console for it
Wait whaaattt??? I am the one that is writing under every rare video since 3 years bring back banjo. Go check it
Bro im 20 years old and since i learned it existed i played it on my crappy phone emulator with touch controls wich was horrible 4 years ago. I 100% it and it was horrible BUT THE GAME WAS JUST SO GOOD.
i bought a switch for banjo in smash and then a xbox 360 for banjo wich did not work and i bought a xbox one with rare replay.
Im not joking i have no other games for those platforms except these since im a playstation guy.
I bought the amiibo i bought the controller holder
Ive made my own jiggy pillow
Ive commented under every rare video since 3 years
Yes young people still love banjo
I do.
Thanks to Microsoft
*I'm not trying to defend a multi trillion dollar corporation like Microsoft, but hear me out for a second.*
First, It takes time to develop video games in the modern era. If Microsoft was to announce a brand new BK game today, most likely, we wouldn't see it until the next console generation.
Secondly, Game development also takes a lot of money and resources, Like honest question how big do you want Banjo and Kazooie Thriee to be? Are we talking side project, AA, AAA because then it's gonna cost hundreds of millions to make and God forbid if it false to turn a profit just like Hi-Fi Rush don't get me wrong it was a critical darling game that people universally loved but unfortunately the game didn't make money. God forbid if that happens people will lose their jobs and none of us want that.
Lastly, who's going to make it? the lead developers at rare said it them selves that they are currently not interested in making a sequel right now not that they don't want to but because they're busy with Sea of thieves at the moment, so most like Microsoft will have to out source it to brand new developers who probably won't capture the same magic of the original.
All I'm trying to say at the end of the day is, it's not that there's a lack of interest in a Banjo and Kazooie franchise it's just the hurdles that it will take to even get a new game that people don't think about.
Me, as someone who hates Banjo-Kazooie: "Man even i know that's false." FR tho where the hell is my Donkey Kong 64???
As someone who is an enjoyer of both... yeah, where the hell is my DK64??? 😭
This topic have gone too far. Dan, "Puerta al Sótano", (the guy who shouted "BANJO-KAZOOIE!") just started a whole mess...
People should research for the original source. Probably Aaron Greenberg just wanted to be funny, and according to Dan, it was actually funny for the other assistants. For me, joke or not, it was very rude, but who knows what Aaron actually meant. As far as I know he tends to be a bit trolly, but imagine being a foreign in a Xbox event and someone from Xbox says something like that :|
Banjo Kazoozie is the $h!t!
I guess that makes me a nobody 🥴
We can be nobodies together! 🤝
@@amaliasolarisTY homie!
I feel disappointed I was mislead by the title. Intentionally leaving out the quotation marks on the title, but then adding them in the description. I will press dislike and wish you a nice day!
I care very much for Banjo-Kazooie... don't care much about Xbox, though.