yey hes back I saw the porsche mooney that i think flew around the world at the aero friedrichshafen earlier this year THe porsche engine wasnt really a "auto conversion" but actually made by porsche itself and put in cessnas, a few robin dr400 and the mooneys, of which there still exist 2 today, the rest was converted back to normal engines as porsche stopped producing them and didnt want to make maintanace/spare parts for them for a long time so they bought all the engines back.
I can’t help but think that Mooney lost its way when they started making six cylinder airplanes. The appeal of the old M20s to me is a plane with 900-1100lbs useful load that cruises at 150+ knots and has a fuel burn of ~10gph, instead of 13-14 you’d get in a six cylinder airplane and stretches the useful load further because you don’t need as much fuel. The second they started making six cylinder planes and rising in price, they became a lot less appealing than a Bonanza, which, while slower, is a much more comfortable airplane better suited for 4 people+bags. In my opinion the late-model IO-360 mooneys are the most desirable, particularly the M20F which still has the manual gear for lighter weight and can be brought closer to the M20J’s performance with STC’d modifications, particularly to the cowling.
As someone who recently rode shotgun in a Mooney. I can attest-they indeed are “cozy”. If you aren’t on cuddling terms with your co-occupants when you get in, you will be by the time you land.
@@sport2175 Yea, I have heard something to that effect before. I think two things make the Mooney feel more cramped: 1) the center divider under the panel seems to take up more space than in other comparable planes; and 2) the front seating position has the front seat occupants extend their legs much more than in other comparable planes. Because more of an occupant's legs go beyond the center divider (due to the seating position), this multiplies the effect of the bulkier divider causing the people in the front seats to have less space to occupy. The seating position also makes it uncomfortable to pull your feet off the rudder pedals if you are not currently the one flying. If you are the one flying and have your feet on the pedals, those issues are way less noticeable. So, the discomfort is mostly for the front seat that isn't at the controls. Don't get me wrong; I like Mooneys, but I have come to accept that they do feel more cramped than other similarly sized planes.
Great video lots of great information, I thought I was pretty well informed on Mooney's considering that that's what I'm looking to buy but you included a lot of information about the Moonies that come after the 201 that I was completely unaware of. It made me realize that my original belief that the 201 was the best bang for the buck is probably true.
Used to fly mooney m20c for a survey gig and damn I miss the manual gear. Once you knew how to work it, shit was sooooooooo satisfying. At the airlines now and i miss grabbing that lever, pushin the side button, giving it the handle quarter turn, and slamming that bad boy down. I swear that wasn't meant to sound sexual but the manual gear fucks so ill let it ride
Yeah, new video and about my favorite plane ! Proud M20E owner and definitely agree with the punchline, one of the most efficient 100LL to kts converter for a certified 4 seater.
You wouldn't happen to have a spreadsheet of all of the aircraft you've reviewed/researched? I'm looking at buying my own plane somewhat soon and said spreadsheet (if it exists), would be very helpful
Ah yes, the Bob Ross of aviation videos 😌 I fly a friend's Mooney, the world's only M20J with a Continental IO-360 conversion (Mod Works Trophy 221ES). Yes, it's a slight pain in the rear to keep up with maintenance since it's basically an M20K minus the turbocharger (as an A&P myself I do most of the simpler jobs) but I'm absolutely sold on owning a Mooney for myself one day.
I’ve always loved Mooney’s. Not a pilot yet, mostly because the dream of owning an airplane seems to be unrealistic unless you make big bucks. I have no interest in getting my PPC just to say I have it. I want to own a plane and FLY! But an older M20C might be doable. 🤞🏻
If you are looking at buying, Jack it up and check the gear. I did an annual on one a few years ago, lovely airplane, but the gear were badly worn, sloppy and ready to collapse.
Mooney's are absolutely fantastic...fantastic on paper that is. Then, you sit in one and HOLY COW, GET ME OUT OF HERE!!! I've never had an episode of claustrophobia before I sat in a Mooney, but I sure did when I took a pre-purchase flight in an M20J. I bought an Arrow instead, a little slower, but way more comfortable.
Thank you for dropping another one! And one of my favourite aircraft! If I ever were to get really rich, I'd buy Mooney and reopen production. I'd bring out a completely revised version of the M20C. The market is missing a short-bodied, four-cylinder Mooney. The fact that their once slumping prices have skyrocketed to over 70k shows, that other manufacturers are not adequately covering that spot.
Yeeeessss!!! I was just wondering where you went, and you drop a video on my favorite GA plane ever! Now when are you gonna do a vid on the M-18 Mite? :D
Glad to see that you didn't meet your demise working in that uninsulated hangar! I love Mooney's, but they suck to do panel work on. The top of the panel is so close to the windscreen that you can't really reach anything, so you have to do everything from underneath, doing a backbend.
I don't know anything about civilian airplanes or the practicalities of owning them, but I love these videos. A question that's been in my head for a while is why not take a car engine, like a Chevy LS with an aluminum block, and put it in an airplane? Assuming you balance the weight, would that be feasible? I assume altitude performance would change.
They have for sure. Lots of auto conversions out there. This kitplanes article sums it up well www.kitplanes.com/safety-is-no-accident-5/#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20third%20of%20all,properly%20in%20the%20first%20place.
its really great for ownership from what a local owner says about having manually retractable gear. he hasnt gone super into detail about how much it saves him on annual, etc. but it seems nice to have and just fun to crank up the gear. though pushing it down early can be a pain from what i hear so you have to wait for speed to drop but that means more to do and more to lose track of.
My dad had the M20E in the late 1960s and crashed it in 1970. I was never aware of the wing leveler (which I just learned about from this video) Mooney always knew its aircraft had issues with pointing its nose up the faster the aircraft flew. Anybody with a brain would understand a bigger elevator surface would have helped solve this issue and maybe my dad would not have been part of the Mooney lawn dart that dug a 6ft hole in the earth. The fact is, I had no clue the aircraft had issues with leveling as well.
Don’t know the circumstances of your father’s crash, but it probably had nothing to do with the PCS. A wing leveler has nothing to do with the nose (two different axis of control, roll vs. pitch).
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@@pisymbol I understand all the physics of flying and appreciate your input. I realize now I should not have stated, wing leveling was the issue. In truth, it most likely wasnt the issue but I cannot rule it out as a factor, yet. The fact is 50 years later I am always trying to learn everything i can.
@@pisymbol if you want to call it that, yes there was a report filed. "PROBABLE CAUSE(S) MISCELLANEOUS - UNDETERMINED FIRE AFTER IMPACT REMARKS- OBS SAW ACFT DESCEND RAPIDLY,WGS LEVEL. INVEST SHOWED ENG HAD CONSIDERABLE PWR AT IMPACT."
Been a while, and a double-sized video to reward patience. It's almost like you took vacation...in the summer. How odd. 😊 Would love to see a video on the Ryan S-C
I had a friend who had a partnership in a mooney. We did a cross country and while it's a great flying airplane, there is not much room for your legs. As a bigger person I could not move my left leg sitting right seat. Glad to see complete walkaround again!
Again you made my day and weekend. Great to see you back making pure platinum content on the Internet. Perfect timing too as I am looking at a Mooney. :-D
Here’s the weird thing about Mooney, the poh says m20j can cruise at a bit over 170 knots at 75% power, but realistically most 20j cruise around 155-160 true. No one knows how Mooney got their numbers during test flight.
Is it weird that they use the most optimistic number? Seems like good marketing. If there's a prop/mixture setting that allows that IAS, I would strongly advise avoiding it, even if it technically does use 75 percent of the engine's power (which is a tricky thing to measure rich of peak)!
Glad to see you back man
yey hes back
I saw the porsche mooney that i think flew around the world at the aero friedrichshafen earlier this year
THe porsche engine wasnt really a "auto conversion" but actually made by porsche itself and put in cessnas, a few robin dr400 and the mooneys, of which there still exist 2 today, the rest was converted back to normal engines as porsche stopped producing them and didnt want to make maintanace/spare parts for them for a long time so they bought all the engines back.
love it! Saw one at my airfield many, many years ago.
@CompleteWalkaround you should do an episode on oddball power plants. That would fun to see.
Wake up babe, new Complete Walkaround dropped
Dude! There you are, we've been worried
at 1:44 you have a list price for the m20c Ranger as 00,000. for that price i'll take 2
Welcome back love your videos
Welcome back, been having withdrawals from your content so I was forced to watch reruns 😂. Keep up the awesome work.
I can’t help but think that Mooney lost its way when they started making six cylinder airplanes. The appeal of the old M20s to me is a plane with 900-1100lbs useful load that cruises at 150+ knots and has a fuel burn of ~10gph, instead of 13-14 you’d get in a six cylinder airplane and stretches the useful load further because you don’t need as much fuel.
The second they started making six cylinder planes and rising in price, they became a lot less appealing than a Bonanza, which, while slower, is a much more comfortable airplane better suited for 4 people+bags. In my opinion the late-model IO-360 mooneys are the most desirable, particularly the M20F which still has the manual gear for lighter weight and can be brought closer to the M20J’s performance with STC’d modifications, particularly to the cowling.
Well look who decided to finally show up in my feed!
Awesome video! Welcome back!
Loved the breakdown. Excellent work as always. Thanks!
Any plans on doing more videos of your RV-3?
Yes, eventually and thanks!
Can You do the Gb1 GameBird cost to own vid?😄
Can you do a buyers guide for under 200k? And maybe 500k? Asking for me lol
Love your videos! Would love to see a video on Maule.
Good old mooney.
We could entire a second golden abe of aviation with double the sales of the last, and mooney would still find a way to go bankrupt
It's tradition
As someone who recently rode shotgun in a Mooney. I can attest-they indeed are “cozy”. If you aren’t on cuddling terms with your co-occupants when you get in, you will be by the time you land.
Mooney cabin width has 1.5" more than a Piper Cherokee. Small planes are called small planes for a reason.
@@sport2175 Yea, I have heard something to that effect before. I think two things make the Mooney feel more cramped: 1) the center divider under the panel seems to take up more space than in other comparable planes; and 2) the front seating position has the front seat occupants extend their legs much more than in other comparable planes. Because more of an occupant's legs go beyond the center divider (due to the seating position), this multiplies the effect of the bulkier divider causing the people in the front seats to have less space to occupy. The seating position also makes it uncomfortable to pull your feet off the rudder pedals if you are not currently the one flying. If you are the one flying and have your feet on the pedals, those issues are way less noticeable. So, the discomfort is mostly for the front seat that isn't at the controls. Don't get me wrong; I like Mooneys, but I have come to accept that they do feel more cramped than other similarly sized planes.
Great video lots of great information, I thought I was pretty well informed on Mooney's considering that that's what I'm looking to buy but you included a lot of information about the Moonies that come after the 201 that I was completely unaware of. It made me realize that my original belief that the 201 was the best bang for the buck is probably true.
Welcome back man
Also dude you should do a buying guide and cost to own a 747
Yay! New video new art. Love this content and Glad to see you back at it.
Used to fly mooney m20c for a survey gig and damn I miss the manual gear. Once you knew how to work it, shit was sooooooooo satisfying. At the airlines now and i miss grabbing that lever, pushin the side button, giving it the handle quarter turn, and slamming that bad boy down. I swear that wasn't meant to sound sexual but the manual gear fucks so ill let it ride
Return of the king.
Glad to see you back, not going to lie was getting a bit worried. Also perfect video as i am thinking of buying a Mooney.
Thank you very much
Mooney HQ: Build Fast or Die!
Yeah, new video and about my favorite plane ! Proud M20E owner and definitely agree with the punchline, one of the most efficient 100LL to kts converter for a certified 4 seater.
I like Mooney, I just wish I could fit in them
Thanks!
Wow, Thanks man!! ✈
You wouldn't happen to have a spreadsheet of all of the aircraft you've reviewed/researched? I'm looking at buying my own plane somewhat soon and said spreadsheet (if it exists), would be very helpful
Wohoo! Thanks for another video! Glad you didn't fall out of the sky 😉
Nice! I loved it, thank you
good video 👍🏻
Ah yes, the Bob Ross of aviation videos 😌
I fly a friend's Mooney, the world's only M20J with a Continental IO-360 conversion (Mod Works Trophy 221ES). Yes, it's a slight pain in the rear to keep up with maintenance since it's basically an M20K minus the turbocharger (as an A&P myself I do most of the simpler jobs) but I'm absolutely sold on owning a Mooney for myself one day.
You have been missed!!!
I’ve always loved Mooney’s. Not a pilot yet, mostly because the dream of owning an airplane seems to be unrealistic unless you make big bucks. I have no interest in getting my PPC just to say I have it. I want to own a plane and FLY! But an older M20C might be doable. 🤞🏻
Would you be open to covering the Aerotrek A220/A240 in a Cost to Own video?
*_HE IS FUCKING BACK!!!_*
If you have the time could you do a Vans RV-4 video please! You’ve got a lot of the other RVs, but not the 4!
If you are looking at buying, Jack it up and check the gear. I did an annual on one a few years ago, lovely airplane, but the gear were badly worn, sloppy and ready to collapse.
this video is the reason the cessna 172 is no longer my favourite plane
any chance to get a walk around on a stinson 108 series aircraft. seems like a good plane to do a video on
You should do a cost to own video about the Edge 540 or the Corby Kestrel
1:53 is the M20C ranger avg price supposed to be like that?
good one.👍
I’ll 100% take an M20C Ranger for that price!
M20C Ranger is really cheap!
7:37 the fuel that hasnt weeped out of the tanks you mean!!!
We need a comparison Bonanza vs Mooney.
GREAT video. Thanks.
Give me the Johnson bar gear any day!
Always a welcome surprise when a Complete Walkaround video drops.
Mooney's are absolutely fantastic...fantastic on paper that is. Then, you sit in one and HOLY COW, GET ME OUT OF HERE!!! I've never had an episode of claustrophobia before I sat in a Mooney, but I sure did when I took a pre-purchase flight in an M20J. I bought an Arrow instead, a little slower, but way more comfortable.
Awesome video. You missed the M20J Missile though.
I know you were doing research for Complete Sharkaround. But glad you're back to aircraft.
Thank you for dropping another one! And one of my favourite aircraft!
If I ever were to get really rich, I'd buy Mooney and reopen production. I'd bring out a completely revised version of the M20C. The market is missing a short-bodied, four-cylinder Mooney. The fact that their once slumping prices have skyrocketed to over 70k shows, that other manufacturers are not adequately covering that spot.
Welcome back. I’m going to go and reference your videos when it’s time to buy.
And the tail! Is backwards! Mooneys are perfect. They were far ahead of their time juicing every ounce of speed out of a liter of fuel.
Hes back! If you take requests, could you do a video on the other variants of the 177 Cardinals?
Yeeeessss!!! I was just wondering where you went, and you drop a video on my favorite GA plane ever! Now when are you gonna do a vid on the M-18 Mite? :D
Glad to see that you didn't meet your demise working in that uninsulated hangar!
I love Mooney's, but they suck to do panel work on. The top of the panel is so close to the windscreen that you can't really reach anything, so you have to do everything from underneath, doing a backbend.
Where can I get an M20C Ranger for $0? 1:51 😮
Saw that too!
The old Mooney logo reminds me of the old Mexicana logo. I wonder if it was inspired by it.
m2oc ranger doesn't have a price listed, but still a great video
I don't know anything about civilian airplanes or the practicalities of owning them, but I love these videos.
A question that's been in my head for a while is why not take a car engine, like a Chevy LS with an aluminum block, and put it in an airplane? Assuming you balance the weight, would that be feasible? I assume altitude performance would change.
They have for sure. Lots of auto conversions out there. This kitplanes article sums it up well
www.kitplanes.com/safety-is-no-accident-5/#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20third%20of%20all,properly%20in%20the%20first%20place.
Love the videos man! But... you missed the scorpion tail on the '71.
I know. I forgot about it till the very end. Just posted it anyway. Didn't have another M20 draw in me!
You’re back!
its really great for ownership from what a local owner says about having manually retractable gear. he hasnt gone super into detail about how much it saves him on annual, etc. but it seems nice to have and just fun to crank up the gear. though pushing it down early can be a pain from what i hear so you have to wait for speed to drop but that means more to do and more to lose track of.
you're back!
Appreciate you bro. Great video as always.
My dad had the M20E in the late 1960s and crashed it in 1970. I was never aware of the wing leveler (which I just learned about from this video)
Mooney always knew its aircraft had issues with pointing its nose up the faster the aircraft flew. Anybody with a brain would understand a bigger elevator surface would have helped solve this issue and maybe my dad would not have been part of the Mooney lawn dart that dug a 6ft hole in the earth.
The fact is, I had no clue the aircraft had issues with leveling as well.
Don’t know the circumstances of your father’s crash, but it probably had nothing to do with the PCS. A wing leveler has nothing to do with the nose (two different axis of control, roll vs. pitch).
@@pisymbol I understand all the physics of flying and appreciate your input. I realize now I should not have stated, wing leveling was the issue. In truth, it most likely wasnt the issue but I cannot rule it out as a factor, yet. The fact is 50 years later I am always trying to learn everything i can.
Was an NTSB report ever issued?
@@pisymbol if you want to call it that, yes there was a report filed.
"PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
MISCELLANEOUS - UNDETERMINED
FIRE AFTER IMPACT
REMARKS- OBS SAW ACFT DESCEND RAPIDLY,WGS LEVEL. INVEST SHOWED ENG HAD CONSIDERABLE PWR AT IMPACT."
I'm really sorry to hear this.
Could we get a Cost to Own for the Mig-21? (I know plenty of people who actually fly them, they're one of the cheapest fighter jets on the market.)
How well do you know these ppl
haha retracty boy
Mmmmmmmmm Mooney.
Wow, Thanks Matt! Didn't recognize you there for a second
Yay!
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M20F owner here, Thanks for the vid!
Great to see you posting again. Love your work!
Been a while, and a double-sized video to reward patience. It's almost like you took vacation...in the summer. How odd. 😊
Would love to see a video on the Ryan S-C
I never pick out your name on these haha. Ryan SC. Hilarious :)
@@CompleteWalkaround that's the point of not using my name as a RUclips handle 😀 mess with friends and random people alike
Great
White text on a white tail is a bit hard to read
Amazing plane and amazing video 🔥
Sabre or"sahbray" Dunder Mifflin reference?
I had a friend who had a partnership in a mooney. We did a cross country and while it's a great flying airplane, there is not much room for your legs. As a bigger person I could not move my left leg sitting right seat. Glad to see complete walkaround again!
Very cozy indeed
Again you made my day and weekend. Great to see you back making pure platinum content on the Internet. Perfect timing too as I am looking at a Mooney. :-D
Thanks man. Glad you like it
Yay
Wasn’t their a V-tail moony? Or am I getting that confused with another plane? And is this the Doctor killer?
*there *Mooney The „Doctor Killer“ with the V-Tail was a Beechcraft Bonanza.
@@streptokokke1003 Ahhh
Here’s the weird thing about Mooney, the poh says m20j can cruise at a bit over 170 knots at 75% power, but realistically most 20j cruise around 155-160 true. No one knows how Mooney got their numbers during test flight.
Is it weird that they use the most optimistic number? Seems like good marketing.
If there's a prop/mixture setting that allows that IAS, I would strongly advise avoiding it, even if it technically does use 75 percent of the engine's power (which is a tricky thing to measure rich of peak)!
@@ryankennedy3109 you’re cruise 15 knots slower while burning same gas, what could possibly happen? Run out of fuel?
Baby Ace!
cool video. M20C ranger price shows $00,000 at 1:42
Makes sense why it was the best selling 🤣
@@pilotembgamers4644 That's a good one
I keep playing the lotto hoping I’ll win enough money to revive Mooney. Don’t @ me, I know it’s a bad investment.
How about moony might?
I mite someday
@@CompleteWalkaround lol
Your M20C speed data is grosly overstated. They'll do 140-145KTAS
So 8% slower in your opinion. Disgusting
@@CompleteWalkaround I’ve had one for a decade. 142-145ktas best speed. The 20hp gain on the M20E will only do 150ktas.
Rushed presentation. Is your heart still in it?
All killer no filler man. That was a 45 minute video done in 7.
@@CompleteWalkaround I'm glad if that's the case, I hope you post videos regularly.
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