DEI Was “Splintered” After Loss of Dale Earnhardt
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2021
- Ty Norris was a loyal lieutenant for Dale Earnhardt Sr. at DEI, serving as Executive Vice President and General Manager. Hear how Dale Earnhardt laid out his vision and what kind of leader he was as Ty assisted him in building the organization.
After Dale’s death in 2001, Ty explains why he described the company as splintered and who he thinks could have saved it. Dale Jr. weighs in on when he lost faith in DEI following his father’s vision.
Hear the story of what Dale Jr. did when he and teammate Michael Waltrip hadn’t been paid in months and how it ultimately led to Ty’s dismissal from the organization after being offered a bad deal.
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This makes me appreciate Kelly and her strength so much more. Not only, helping Dale grieve and keep his career on track, but grieving herself, raising her family, and helping build JR Motorsports into the powerhouse it is. All the while having someone like Theresa trying to tear them down and be the very antithesis of what they needed. I hope one day, Kelly finds a spot in the HoF right next to her father and brother.
Kelly definitely deserves that HOF spot. The moment Dale Earnhardt crashed, she became jr's everything career wise.(maybe even before Sr. passed) very strong woman,and little bro wouldn't have had any success with out her.
I agree with you I also appreciate Kelly, she's amazing.
She is the glue that kept it all together. Without her it all would have crumbled down. Hell of a woman.
honestly I would have loved to seen her in the national circuit. she was better than jr in the late models.
Kelly is the sister eveey brother wants 👍
When she said that “We’ll make another Dale Jr” that pissed me off. You can’t replace the Earnhardt name. Especially only being 3-4 years after his death. That comment alone would have made me go off on her
And it also showed how little she understood about NASCAR, or sports in general. It's no wonder DEI didn't last. She was a sports executive not even qualified to manage a small clothing store.
@@kylefunderburk4194 that's why dei worked at first...Dale focused on all things racing and Teresa focused on the business and merchandise without dale Sr guidance the racing side quickly fell apart
You can’t replace Dale Jr.! How could she even think of saying that?
It would be interesting if there will be a 30 for 30 on DEI.
I think it would be really cool for NASCAR, or someone else close to the sport, who might just have a production company (looking at you, Dirty Mo/Hammerhead) would create a similar 30/30 series on stories throughout NASCAR. The stories and possibilities are endless.
Teresa would rip them apart for trying to do any kind of Doc on DEI. When she is dead. We will have everything.
@@ATK10155 Teresa is something else and it's sad hearing this story of how DEI was going to nosedive and that nosedive happened in 2005. Dale Jr almost never recovered from that if it wasn't for Rick Hendrick spending a lot of money where it was embarrassing to be a part of JR Nation (and I thought will never get to enjoy fruits of my loyalty with another 2004 like run). The floodgates opened after that 2014 Daytona 500 win and especially the first win out of two at Pocono. Really back to back years where it should have been cup championship seasons (like in 2004). I was too young to remember the magic of the 2004 run.
As a Chase Elliot fan, I was watching last season before Bubba Wallace pulled off his stunt with the garage pull being a noose at Dega. Thanks to that, I missed out on a championship run. I didn't watch for two seasons after Dale Jr retired and I always like Chase Elliot. Elliot is two rounds away and hopefully he can overcome the Georgia Sports Curse.
@@Shawn6751yea I like the legacy of Awesome Bill from Dawsonville myself.
"Caring about Dale Jr IS caring about you"......Ty, you hit the nail on the head when you told Teresa that, and it was true. God only knows how DEI would've turned out, had that witch treated Dale Jr ( and everyone else for that matter ) with HONOR & RESPECT. But it's painfully obvious that witch doesn't know the meaning of those 2 words. Personally, I don't see how she can look at herself in the mirror. ( The mirror would most likely shatter anyway. ) She took the living, functioning DREAM that her husband built, and utterly destroyed it. Still pisses me off to this day. To "sue an Earnhardt for using his own family name" is downright despicable.
I could not agree with you any more. When Dale Sr died, DEI fell apart without a solid leader. Sr cared about his family name. Sr cared about his sons. Teresa was and is a gold digging moocher trophy wife who should have either brought in a manager that Jr and Ty approved, or just signed the race team over to Jr.
Pure evil. But it was just as much Sr fault for leaving her in charge.
@@TravisHargiss yeah but I’m sure he really believed the woman he had been with for years would’ve done right by his children and treated them with respect. Plus, they were still a little young to expect them to be able to handle something as large as a cup race team at that time. I guarantee you he would’ve iced her out with only some kind of cut or allowance has he knew how she would handle his business.
@@Jpilgrim30 I get where your heart is, but she didn’t show them respect when Sr was alive. The first time Kerry met her she slammed a door in his face. She is pure evil.
Always 2 sides to a story. If you’re an adult you know this and shouldn’t pass judgement until you hear both sides.
Theresa doesn't pay her drivers and then all of a sudden plays the victim for being confronted lol,, yeah that sounds like a Jezebel to me.
we didn't the whole story and why did they wait for months to ask about it?
@@richardfrench2863 ask for your pay?..... are you suppose to ask for it?.
Do you have to ask every payday?
How often should you ask for it?
Is it rude to ask to many times for your pay?
Golly man. When you said "Let's dump this all out on the table", No kiddin', it got dumped out on the table. You could definitely see the intensity in Ty Norris as he told the story. As if though it all happened yesterday.
I don't think Jr was ready for that, man. Hell, I wasn't!
You don’t pay your drivers for three months, then make them sit and wait for three hours stewing, how in the world can you claim to be “ambushed”? What a piece of work that woman is?
How as an employee do you wait 3 months to inquire about not getting paid? Obviously there was some sort of glitch in the system when their payments weren't transferred. You don't tell at your boss! Ty and Jr both admitted they were too immature to handle the situation and it should have been handled more in a professional way. It's so easy to see how that whole situation got mishandled!
@@daviclar867 I suspect they were paid direct deposit monthly and their accountants or business managers handled those things? We’re talking about a completely different level than the average weekly or bi-weekly joe with a immediately pissed off wife if a check doesn’t show up right on time. But yes.. letting it go for months unaddressed wasn’t right either.
@@tmcorey1 finally someone with sense on this issue.
@@daviclar867 the only thing wrong with your statement is; that whole angle is built off emotion, and reaction to a situation... when you run a business and you are profiting off that business, if you dont pay your employees you are breaking the law! And workmans comp and all the above will tear you a new ass if you dont pay them.
@@tmcorey1 that is a good point but its a good paying career... not the best. when you run a business you have to pay your workers. in this case the different levels went from the bottom all the way up to the top. some would possibly not be able to pay bills, some would be more than comfortable and super stars like Dale JR and Mike Waltrip would have to find different rides. inevitably the business failed and luckly for theresa sold. its a shame she let Dale's dream go.
If I were Dale Jr in that room that day & I heard teresa say what she said about just making another junior outta nowhere, I would've quit right there on the spot. I'd be seeking free agency the moment I walked out. That has to be THE biggest slap in the face to Dale Jr I've ever heard
Have always been a huge Ty Norris fan even before he came to DEI .... I never wanted to believe that Theresa was as bad as some would say .... Now I guess we know for sure that Theresa is the biggest single reason for the failure of DEI .... No Doubt Jr. Wasn't ready to carry the load , but if Theresa gives them her full support and Ty stays on to help Jr. mature and lead the troops then maybe DEI survives for Dale's kids like it was meant to ....... THANK You for this interview..... Ty Norris you did one Helluva job for Dale trying to keep it all going.... No shame in that game
Don't forget about Kelley. Ty Norris and Kelley helping Jr. would have been great. DEI would certainly still be around today with possibly a championship or two.
Works both ways... Looks like it was far more them acting like babies because she didn't do things the way they wanted...Dale would whip both their asses for making this video. Ty literally said what the biggest reason for the failure was... the whole game of thrones reference. But for him to sit there and pretend he wasn't part of that problem is disgusting as hell...."just do your job" my ass.
@@clark8712 He did admit he was part of the problem though. He said he lost credibility after Dale died and his personal flaw was that "if someone was nice to him, he had to be even nicer back. If someone was mean, he had to be meaner back. If someone hit him, he had to hit back harder." It was a personal flaw of his that often made tense situations worse.
@@stonewall01 right....a couple championships so far? hendricks couldn't help Jr win a couple championships, but kelly and ty could. I hear ya...
@@clark8712 Jr. wasn't owner. Jr. Motorsports, a team that he does own, has 3 Championships (2014, 2017, and 2018)
Crazy how many ups and downs Ty Norris has been through... awesome y’all got him on!
DEI, Michael Waltrip Racing, and now Trackhouse. Ty has helped build 3 winning Cup teams from start up. If we get to the point where they put executives in the Hall of Fame, Ty deserves to be in.
A lot more talk of Teresa lately, I like it.
Maybe he didn’t chat much about her out of respect for his dad. Or the statute of limitations has run out!😂
Would be quite interesting if she came on the show, eh. She probably wouldn't, I'm guessing. And if she would, it might be... difficult conversations. Not enough time has passed yet, maybe.
Teresa sounds awful.
What if she was on the podcast😳
As much disdain as I have for her, I hope Taylor doesn’t listen to the last two of these podcasts.
These Dale stories, especially these with Ty and Jr, peels the curtain back more than The Undertaker's Last Ride did for The Undertaker! As Sr. will always be my number one favorite driver. I thank you Dale Jr. I thank you for allowing those fans of his that access into your Dad and his life.
Each new show just gets better.this one was fantastic.
It seems to me like Jr is trying to get everyone who knew Dale and had some type of relationship with him to just chew the fat and help others understand who he really was. I'm all for it, documentaries and highlight reels can only go so far, it's the people he impacted that tell the real story of who he truly was. His memory will never die and I believe the family needs that, us fans need that. His legacy will always live on through his kids, and I'm sure many years from now people will still be learning little lessons hearing about Dale that helps them along the way.
I like the fact that Jr owns up to his mistakes too. The rag on Theresa pretty hard, deservedly so, but they avoid the trap of blaming it all on one person. Instead, they pretty honestly describe the situation and the various shortfalls that were occurring around the company.
I worked at DEI back in 2003 & 2004 & i will just say , to this day i have never worked somewhere that had more ego's & attitudes in my life . It was a happy day when i walked out of that place . BUT i will say Jr has matured so much & its good to see the man he has become .
Teresa’s problem was she was not a racing expert like Dale was. Sr. understood the people side of the business that numbers never tell you. Dale cared more about racing success than business success alone.
Ego's?? you ever work on a aircraft carrier in the navy. You wanna talk about Ego's...
@@bigkountry2645 I believe Ego's are in every line of work whether it be the military, Aerospace manufacturing, or a race team. It's just part of the working world.
@@ethanweeter2732 Teresa didn't know squat about running any business operations. All she cared about was feeding her own greedy ego.
Well... Since we're having a workplace ego pissing contest... The pizza delivery game has some HUGE egos too.
Dale, 04 and 14 are your two best seasons as a racer statistically from what I saw. But nobody had the pressure that was thrown on you in 2001. Thank you for putting this sport on your shoulders. You carried a heavy weight for you entire career . You kept the grandstands alive every time you climbed in a car.
2003: Best Points Finish of 3rd what could Have Been for Junebug
Dale remembers every word of that conversation on not getting paid
You could see he felt bad when he realized that a family shouting match over money is what got ty fired especially considering he wanted ty there
Sure he did
He’s just too chicken to admit it
Just like his mom
@@ryancarroll3961 You need to go watch some more about Dale Jr. He had a massive concussion in April of 2004, which was about 5 months after this contract issue. That concussion combined with all the other concussions he had culminated in, not only his early retirement, but also a lot of blank spots in his memory. It's completely feasible that he doesn't remember. I've seen several conversations with people on here in which a story from the past is brought up and Jr. doesn't remember some of them. Even the ones that make him look good. But you go ahead an believe the worst in everyone. That seems to be the in thing on the internet these days: Talk a bunch of BS online just to be a prick.
Btw, I was never an Earnhardt Jr. fan when he was driving but I've gained a ton of respect for the guy after his retirement. So don't give me that "oh, you're just a super fan" crap!
@@philup6274 Who exactly do you think is his mother? Hint: It's not Teresa.
This is a crazy video. It's crazy how much she ruined that whole company
And she is in fact the only stain on senior's legacy which she claimed to be protecting the whole time. Sounds like a Jezebel to me. Lol
Teresa was clearly in over her head after Sr died. Her main mistake was she didn't turn over full control to someone who knew how to manage people and run a race team. Maybe she should have sought advice from Rick Hendrick or Richard Childress? I'm sure they could have pointed her in the right direction.
@Lewis Sharpe Stop it. She had a step son who knew the business and had an entire support system.
She chose to go against them.
That's what EGO can do
She's STILL throwing dirt on the name.
"We'll make another Dale Jr." How well did that go Teresa? Lmao
I think she had one in Truex, but she didn't know how to handle that either.
@@NeverDauntedRadioNetwork but Truex wasn’t the son of the man who started the company and his name was Dale Earnhardt also.
I'm thinking that what she was saying was "let's have a baby together".
You mean to tell me DALE JR on thunder 2004 wasn’t another Dale Jr 😂😂😂
After hearing this podcast about the real truth about DEI... I just simply was in shock with my jaw down thinking constantly “Oh my gosh...” and after that I was thinking that Teresa was the bait and she baited DEI with Sr. not being there...
When Ty was talking about the new sponsorships brought to DEIs table with Oreo and Remington contracts I thought “hmmm.... that’s one out of many “what if Dale Earnhardt was alive?” scenarios for the ages that we don’t know for sure...
And to be fair and square with my best honesty I like these “what if Dale Earnhardt was alive?” scenarios because they will only give us thoughts of what could’ve been of Dale Sr.s future in later years and legacy that he’ll leave behind after being behind the wheel and when he retires DEI would’ve been his favorite toy and made it a real new powerhouse team for the ages! With a bit of help with Richard Childress of course after learning the tips and tricks to know how to keep a raceteam afloat...
My “what if” scenario is on what he would’ve said about Kentucky Speedway, Chicagoland Speedway, Kansas Speedway and Nashville Superspeedway being opened in 2001... if he likes them or hates them...
Personally I think that he would probably like the tracks and tell nascar to host a cup race at Kentucky and Nashville Superspeedway as soon as possible after he would’ve probably seen them...
OUSTANDING follow up to your interview with your Brother which was incredible!
The weirdest part about this is getting to know jr. Through these podcasts he seems like a very stand up and trustable guy, it's insane the paranoia teresa had to be in to not trust Jr. To help run dei
Blame Sr for not writing a will giving DEI to Jr and Kelly.
@@rdaws73 for all we know he did write one, but that witch found it first
You're talking about a guy that a few years later damn near killed himself jumping into a shallow pool while drunk, probably beginning his head injury problems. That's the guy you want to trust to run a multi-million dollar company with hundreds of employees? Don't get me wrong, I love Jr. but he was still practically a kid. He couldn't have done it either, not on his own. Today, yeah he could do it and is doing it but then? No way. If things had happened the other way around, he spent years driving and growing up for Hendrick and then went to DEI, maybe but not the way things went down. It was a hopeless situation, doomed to fail eventually.
It wouldn't have just been JR. He has had a team around him. Mainly Kelley. How much worse could he have done than Teresa? And since we're using incidents as proof that someone couldn't get the job done, then go down line of Nascar owners, hell businessmen in general who have made mistakes privately and professionally.
@@Scoe91Til or Dale himself wasn't perfect either but one thing the Earnhardt's are good at is racing, maybe jr wouldn't have been as good as his dad running it but that's to be expected because he was so young with experience comes knowledge, Sr. Had years to learn the game jr. Was just getting into it. (Also scoe I'm not talking to u only I'm addressing the people that think jr. Wasn't ready for the position)
Can we get Ty back for more? Great conversation!!
The death of Dale Earnhardt might have splintered DEI but it shattered the NASCAR world. For his fans and the sport it was probably the saddest day ever in NASCAR.
The decline of NASCAR: Dale Sr. dying; CoT; Gordon retiring, Dale jr. retiring....those 4 sequence of events destroyed NASCAR and it will NEVER get o the height of popularity like it was from Mid-90's to early/mid 2000's. Never! Then throw in the "heat" races and that was it...totally done! They way the sport is now bubble wrapped and cream puff level there wont be any more rivalries or drivers u love to hate. The way the sport is handled now they even made Bristol boring to watch. Whoever came up with the idea of heat racing should be fired. Also, the cars practiaclly drive themselves now..they removed the human element..its like a spaceship cockpit in the car now.
Finally touching on teressa. I've literally waited 15 years for a lot of this stuff. I hope we get more. It's honestly one of the most tragic stories in NASCAR history. The death of DEI was so sad man. Teressa just wouldn't get out of the way, or DEI was still be here today. At least we have JRM.
I really hope Jr gets a charter for Cup, we would essentially have the DEI team we all deserved ❤️
Fingers crossed !
DEJr
Nope, just a 5th Hendrick team.
@@scottg9855 You can't have a 5th team NASCAR limits you to 4
@@scottg9855 Essentially, but DEI was the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cars to RCR. And the 7th if you include APR.
I love these pod casts, Nothing but the truth and facts.. A lot of broken hearts in this one!
Ty Norris and Andy Petree interviews are pure gold. Thanks Dale Jr. and team. The conversations brought back so many memories and added another dimension to those memories as an Earnhardt fan. These are real people who gave it their all to win.
Honestly after Senior’s death, DEI would have never been what he envisioned it to be, but losing Ty was a major nail in DEI’s coffin.
There are times during these podcasts that I feel like I'm eavesdropping on a conversations I shouldn't be hearing. I think Mike had that feeling with his reactions. Thanks, Dale, Ty, and Mike.
Thanks for sharing the behind the scenes details during those tough years guys. That's some hard stuff to rehash.
I gotta say, these kind of stories are priceless to podcast listeners. This is gold! I don’t know why, but hearing it from you all makes it priceless. Keep it up, Jr!
Man, i really enjoy these old storys and all the history background parts of that crazy dynasty. I am from Germany. I am a 80s guy and somehow the "3" made it back in these days without I-net and social media into my "german" childhood. It is crazy. Dale sr. brought me to this sport and there was often no more, just reading about another race win. Later watched some highlights and since late 90s full races. So, years later its great to see, hear and read more and more...about the Ernhardts storys. And btw, there could be no one better then jr. himself. I like his style and way to talk about those things. All the best to you and YOUR team jr.!!! Best podcast ever made! Keep it up and i hope there is more to come...
"Probably the biggest event we had was when you and Michael (Waltrip) came to my office one time and said...You know this story?" How can Jr. not remember that meeting in December 2003 with Teresa, Ty and Michael? Did you see the shock on Jr.'s face after realizing he was primarily responsible for Ty being let go? When I saw that, my jaw dropped. The way I see it, that meeting was the death knell for the DEI organization and Jr. didn't even realize it until now. Wow!
He suffered multiple concussions since that meeting. He has a lot of blank spots of things he should easily remember. Not just the bad things, but even funny stories told by other people, he doesn't remember.
Mike Davis is all of us through this conversation.
Yeah. He was surprised by a lot of what was said. Hell, even Dale was. You could see that the background of Norris' departure was DEI was a surprise to him.
Pretty much.
one sad thing i see common on these videos, is the guests asking jr "do you remember this?" and he says no. some memories not too far in the past. i fear CTE may pay a toll on his memory.
That might play into it, but you've also have to take into account the whirlwind life of a NASCAR driver, and then multiply that by 1000 when it comes to Dale Jr. and his career, on and off the track. To say the concussions have little impact on recall is to belittle their impact on daily life and beyond, but the constant media responsibilities, sponsor obligations and appearances, being a rockstar away from the track, and then having to perform on the track for 36 weeks out of the year for 20+ years, not including having to find time to have a personal life and start a family, I can only imagine how things may or may not stick. And being sponsored by Budweiser is bound to lead to some forgetfulness!
Could be part of it. Also, Jr. likes to shy away from controversy so claiming he 'doesn't remember' could just be a cover.
@@zacharygilbreath1956 very good points. there is probably tons of memories going on from such exposure. thanks for your reply sir
The interview I’ve been waiting for!
Some of the best interviews in sport--any sport. These are fascinating and honest interviews, so much so, you can see the discomfort and looks of revelatory acknowledgement on the faces of the production crew.
JR motor sports has become what DEI should have been. Damn that witch Teresa.
Teresa's greed is what destroyed DEI. She didn't know squat about running any business operations. Kelley was/is a big factor in JR Motorsports becoming what Dale Sr intended for DEI.
WOW! I mean just unreal how open and forthright these guys were with the goings on there at DEI. We've all heard the stories, but this conversation really puts a personal and kind of tragic spin on the whole thing that is just mind blowing. The hardest thing in the world is to put your heart and soul into something, sacrifice everything to make it the best and to do your best, only to have someone completely disregard your passion and your effort. What a shame. Keep it up Dale. Great content!
I appreciate that this wasn’t a “bash Theresa” interview. Making a point that she had just lost her husband who “was” everything was a great point. She certainly didn’t do a good job leading DEI but I’m not sure anyone would have, in her shoes at the time. Ty and Dale Jr were both learning on the fly and the company needed its founder but it wasn’t to be. Great interview.
The old saying " Hurt people , hurt people!" Im not saying Theresa was a saint, but she lost a big part of her life too.On one podcast I heard them talk about how she locked up the DeerHead Shop, Dale SR sanctuary. That right there tells you she is hurting. I sometimes think people forget this and expected her to be as strong as SR. She just didn't have the abilities and the experience that Sr had, and maybe was too hurt to realize what she was doing. Only GOD knows her heart. I admit stories I have heard make me think bad of her, but its really not any of our place to judge.
I love you JR, you are my role model. Took me 33 years to figure out who to be loyal too, and you sir deserve everything and more!
My gut told me way back then this was what was going on. Sad she couldnt let go and let Jr, Kelley and Ty run with it. Maybe DEI would have eventually flopped, but maybe it might have blown away the field. We will never know.
They touched on it this video, but without Sr. spearheading it and being the central point of the organisation, I don't think there's another person that could have taken that role and still propelled DEI.
@@StripeGurger So you're sayin' that Kelly &/or Jr. couldn't have led DEI on to even more success?
Lookin' at how successful both of them are now I beg to differ! I think you're wrong!
This definitely brought me back 20 years ago! Just working in the fab shop at DEI in 02-03 and getting shuffled between the 8 and 15 car. But splintered is the correct word for what was going on there and those cliques. The drama between some of those groups was crazy hahaha! But definitely one of the most awesome places and groups of people I've ever worked with. Thank you guys for sharing these stories out.
Ty always always was one of the bright spots at DEI. HE is one of the guys responsible for the success at DEI. How he was treated AFTER Dale was killed is always a sore spot with me. He tried his best. I never have had but the highest admiration for the work he did. Period. Even the Richmond incident. Its just a shame how Theresa treated the entire staff including the drivers. Ty-youre a good man. Dont need therapy to tell me that.
Ty Norris called me into his office at Sabco in 1996 and said ok we’re sending ya down to Daytona for the Qualifying races. If you do good you can stay as Jackman for Kyle Petty. All went well and the rest is history. I’ve got lots of stories through the years before and just after Ty left for DEI. I’ve considered him my friend for a long time. This was good to hear as I had not heard it before. I tried out for Jackman at DEI just before the 2001 Daytona 500 for Michael Waltrip. Thats a story for another time. Thanks for sharing your stories with us Dale Jr. I was born and raised in Charlotte and retired after 25 years in NASCAR and always said everyone that goes to work on a team should know the history.
Truly amazing channel! Thank you and God Bless!
this has got to be the most fascinating DJD episodes ever!
I’ve been waiting for ty norris to be on the DJD
If Dale Sr were still here, Jr would’ve have won 50-60 if not more with multiple championships.
I'm really a fan of Jr's, but lets be honest, he was a mediocre driver. He had an underwhelming career while sitting in some of the best equipment in the sport.
@@jamiemiller6156 he had more passion when his was here. He went back to back championships in the Busch series. I really believe he would’ve been really good if his daddy was still here. Sr could’ve helped coach Jr on more tracks and everything.
Under Sr’s leadership there.
Definitely.
Wow!!!!!🏁..im blown away from this conversation!
Can’t say that I am surprised to hear Teresa acted that way. She definitely has a personality defect, whether it was there before Dale died I am unsure of. But you don’t go after your biggest player and you definitely, definitely, definitely don’t turn on your most loyal employees. Ty was dedicated to his position and you can see that both in this interview and in the movie “blink of an eye”. The fact that Teresa turned on him reveals more to me about her character and inner self than anything that happened between herself and Dale Jr.
I truly believe that Teresa intentionally sabotaged DEI, considering it her way of getting even with the sport itself for Sr’s death
@@michiganman9599 I can’t see that for some reason, I think it was Dale had control over her and since she didn’t want him to leave she hid her real self, and once he died she saw no reason to hide.
This interview/podcast is the most revealing that I've seen about a story in the NASCAR circles in the 21st century. For most of the last 15 years especially, I feel like the media narrative has been controlled to just promote, promote and promote the sport, much to the sport's detriment. I really appreciate the honesty from Norris especially. He helped open up the dialogue.
These issues that were discussed on this podcast, especially when things came to a head in 2004, now make a whole lot more sense to me. With the speed that Dale Jr. had at certain races, he showcased a car that could've won the title. In others (Las Vegas and there were more, I'm forgetting off of the top of my head), they missed the setup so badly. It makes perfect sense. Truly amazing that he was in contention to win the championship late in '04 despite all of the internal issues within the organization.
I believe that the serious injuries to Steve Park in September 2001 at Darlington also really hurt DEI. He was a well-liked and respected racer who had improved rapidly in less than a two-year span. The team would've been much more of a force had he not gotten hurt. Instead, he is never the same racer, and the 1 car turns into a part-time ride that John Andretti (a journeyman at that point, but a good racer in his prime; RIP John) runs sparingly in '04.
If Park doesn't get hurt, you likely get the best version of him, Pennzoil stays on as long as he's there, and DEI has a better chance to resolve some of the internal problems within the organization.
Oh there needs to be a part 2 and or even a part 3 for sure
4:45 / 4:49
His look was stoic. But JR’s said thank you. There was wisdom and understanding in that moment.
That just a lovely thing to see.
WoW!! I'm new to this podcast, but they just keep getting better and better. Great content and insights. Again, WoW!!
Very real and very good honest conversation by 2 individuals trying to make something work after a life changing tragedy.
We all know Teresa was the downfall of dei after sr died
I love the frankness and ability to look back at these events. Thanks guys.
Never new about racing until i moved to Concord NC one mile from speedway .boy did i learn fast .my anglo saxon brother's and sisters know how to have a damn good time. Rip Dale Earnhart.
Really appreciate the candor.
“Valedictorian from the school of common sense.’
Freaking brilliant.
I love these stories because I never met Dale Earnhardt but damn it did He ever impact my life . i cried so much when he passed away and every little story every little bit of treasure coming up now and in this show, is not only gold its like therapy... a thousand years after nascar ends ... no one will remember it .. but they will know who Dale Earnhardt was.
More!!!! Best interview ever!!
And Tony Stewart worded the whole Dale-Teresa feud so perfectly at Speedweeks 2007,
Smoke: “What is DEI without Junior? Nothing but a museum...”
As did Kevin Harvick, referring time her as a “deadbeat” for rarely attending races the way other owners did..
So great to finally get some insider insight on the goings on from back in that turbulent time.
DEI was so close to being the modern day Hendrick motorsports
I guarantee Jr would have won a championship is Sr didn't die
A modern day Hendrick Motorsports is Hendrick Motorsports. I think DEI would have been more like Stewart Haas Racing, Roush, or Penske. But yeah they would have been at or near the top of the sport.
@@rdaws73 I think Jr. could have won at least 2-3 had Sr. not passed that day. I also think that Denny Hamlin and Martin Truex Jr. would have won titles under a Dale Sr. DEI.
@@DWM2309 agree 100%
@@rdaws73 - I agree. Look at what Jr. and Kelley have done with JR Motorsports. Now add Sr. to that mix, and it would be a juggernaut.
Great content thanks for sharing
these stories are amazing!!!! You could do multiple episodes on Ty alone
Man these last few podcasts have been so great.
Awesome Interview
I just can't stop watching these videos.
Age added with hindsight has a tendency to change and mellow us all. Especially those of us that are ultra competitive. I loved the story of Dale’s method; setting Eiury and Norris down and making them communicate. The void left by such a motivating and all inspiring leader usually leaves a void that can’t be replaced. I’m glad all parties found success through these tough times.
That is something Denny Hamlin will need to learn to do. What all the great sports owners do is make their leadership talk and get along at some point.
Dale Sr. Probably learnt that lesson of making them sit and talk about what the problem was from when Bill Franz Sr made him a Geoff Bodine ride to dinner together 😁🤣 3 forever ✌
Can we get Ty back for more? Great conversation!!. Mike Davis is all of us through this conversation..
WOW. This podcast is so awesome!
If anything, leaving DEI the way he did taught Jr. on how to run a racing team properly and with respect. We see this now with JRM.
Jr: "wheres my money"
Teresa: whats your name again? Nope, I own that too
Until she didn’t and never made another cash cow Dale Jr like she thought.
Ultimately, she took the needle off the record. It would be like Rita Marley never reissuing Bob's albums in rotation year to year. No spins around the track with Jr., Ziggy Marley getting shut down trying to carry the flag of fonts, paint shemes, images and signatures. Instead, Teresa is "contracted" with nascar's cheapened media and over governed product, Childress and a stagnant museum selling merch on the HSNetwork. Way off setup. Wont turn outta 4, loose everywhere. Fiqure it out or park it.
@@zacharyradford5552 She still owns his name. Jr can't use his own name for monetary purpose, she could sue him and be owed whatever money he earned in the end.
@@oscarkoop2548 isn’t she doing that to Kerry ?
This video right here is an absolute must see, If your a fan of nascar and the Earnhardt aspect of it
I watched it on TV. Very good interview
That woman destroyed what took her husband years to build,,,,,what a shame
Teresa basically crushed her own husband's dream. DEI could've been Hendrick Motorsports 2.0 if Teresa wasn't in the way.
DEI should have gone to dale kelly and Kerry
Agreed
That is what was intended while Dale Sr was alive.
Jr has said that he wasn’t ready to run DEI. Now that he started JR Motorsports, it’s like DEI. We’ll see if he goes to the Cup Series anytime soon.
Showing up 3 hours late is the definition of passive-aggressive.
My guess is she had spent that 3 hours talking to lawyers and accountants figuring out the best way to get rid of Dale & Micheal. Probably looking to divest herself if the business. They told her, only way you can do it, is make them quit. So she did. Just my opinion.
Videos like this are a great insight to what really happened at DEI.
Hello Dale and Mike and Ty great interview I still wonder after all these years if Dale would of been able to stay with DEI how things would have been if Dale got more control of the company. Wishing everyone there well Take Care Guys
Valedictorian of the University of Common Sense. 👏 thats what our countries leaders today need.
DEI certainly would be the biggest powerhouse in NASCAR if Dale hasn’t passed. A real shame, what could have been.
A wise man once told me, "it's all good only until it isn't".
When the winds of change begin to blow, some men will build walls while others build windmills.
~ Confucius
I STAY LISTENIN TO THE DANG DALE HR DOWNLOAD!!! This needs to be a movie
Right?! It would be like Parkland about JFKs assassination instead a dark ending but a feature length film of before and after Dales passing following 2001 and the following years...
But again I don’t think the Earnhardt family would approve the story... just like that ESPN TV movie of Dale back in ‘04... and it’s still on RUclips! Weird...
@@Mister_Matt_X Yeah, great flick. Yeah I could see making this film. Id start with Jr winning the 04 Daytona with DEI, then show it all being torn apart....then do some flashbacks to DE3 winning and teaching him
@@Mister_Matt_X BTW Actor Matthew Fox would make a GREAT Ty Norris
@@NoNameNo.5 that would be pretty awesome idea! He did Racer X in Speed Racer and I thought he sounded almost like George Clooney... but he didn’t after watching that movie multiple times over...
I wonder who would be Dale Jr. and other great actors to be the DEI crew?
Such a shame but I love this guys mindset and can relate so much. Growing and recognizing toxic situations and knowing your worth is a beautiful thing and it took a lot of similar (nowhere near as big) situations like this.
Earnhardt might be the most loved name in NASCAR but Teresa sure as hell isn't. She ruined a good part of Dale Jrs career.
Coulda been a powerhouse today, now it’s a museum. Shame......
It's a wall
@@jackhammerjt It is still operating just not as a race team. They are more of a part supplier for small local race teams.
@@jamesscully529 there ain't even a shop anymore it's just a gift shop selling old merch and a wall blocking off all of the cars
@@jackhammerjt Do they even have cars there? I remember a couple of guests tell Dale Jr they can't even drive past the place anymore. Maybe I heard wrong the part dept was still operating.
@@jamesscully529 I've seen screenshots only one day open everything behind a wall of glass the shop that used to have everything is also blocked behind walls with old cup cars on the stands
I feel like this is a live therapy session. It’s amazing.
I remember dale jr telling, Darrell Waltrip he hadn't been paid.
What an awesome podcast!
So awesome seeing the bohler 3 modified on the table
He hired Waltrip, and Mike wasn't worth anything as a driver UNTIL DEI 🔥 he didn't go for the best people, he made the best people.
I believe the same holds true for Steve Park. A boy, (back then, of course) with raw talent who just needed a chance. Dale Sr had accrued a lot of professional capital and was willing to pay it forward to help the right driver who was willing to do the work.
@@theanomalous1401 its a shame Steve had all those heavy hits during his career, accidents and injuries aside, I think he had potential 🔥
@@sgfulton8385 💯
This story doesn't surprise me. I was on the production crew that built the Dale Earnhardt tribute concert at the speedway in Daytona. Although the labor was paid, all the companies that provided things like the staging, the lighting, the sound and video had to sue Teresa to get their money. Don't know if they ever got paid.
I feel like everytime theresa is mentioned Jr has to be careful what he says bc she would sue over slander. Shes that crazy!
Anyone else notice when Mike asked the “question” that Dale wouldn’t look Ty in the face when answering? That said - love the honesty and the rawness in this podcast.
Timestamp.plz
Watching this back, man I miss Mike!! He is just like us he’s a viewer who was a spot at the table, always had a perfect question to keep the conversation flowing and knew what the viewer was interested in and asked those questions
Dale Sr the peacemaker.. didn't really see that one coming. :) All the videos about him I've seen recently sure have stirred up a lot of emotions I didn't realize I still had inside me. Such a tragedy.
Are those spot built shoes you have on haven’t seen them in years