It's not unbalanced, It's just that every other character is playing SF III, while Chun-li and Yun are playing a Beat n' up and Remy, Twelve, Sean are playing Dark Souls Edit: Q is playing Dark Souls while using a heavy armor
@@aceattorneygeneral3922 yeah he's a massive shill for that decades-old game from the turn of the millennium. i hope he's getting fat and fed from all of that topical MvC2 money that was travelling around. He definitely has a malicious agenda to get people to play an old fighting game. It's just plain ridiculous.
Tbf a a lot of oldheads in the FGC probably play 2D fighters way more. So going from a 2D game to a 3D game can often be a daunting or even a scary experience to someone who's already acostumed to a certain type of fighting game. One of the main reasons why I don't really play Tekken despite being a good game.
I feel so bad for Twelve ngl. I actually think he is a really cool idea for a character. I liked Eleven in SF5 as well but I kinda wish he was his own character instead of a second random option.
@@Dhampire1976As a Remy main, i feel like the matchup against Yun much more miserable than with Chun. You can work your way around Chun. With Yun, you don't get to play the game. He just outperforms Remy so bad in every single scenario.
There is a weird disconnect between "old fighting gamr broken, half the cast sucks and hit boxes are misplaced and i love it for that" and "new game broken i hate it"
I do think 3rd strike always has the fun out of being like "I coulda parried that". Even with the strongest characters like Chun the counterplay is very obvious and simple in theory if not to do practically. I can't say that for a lot of old games, and half the cast not having a tool like that makes them feel more unplayable, rather than just disadvantaged.
I think it's an issue with how the balance on old games can't be fixed while in new games there's an expectation for there to be balance. People would definately like an game more if it had better balance, but since they already have a meta set in stone, as well as the fact that it won't be updated more makes people go "Oh, silly 3rd Strike!" while complaining about sf6's balance actaully gets people somewhere which makes people ciritcize it more.
@@danishiqbal2963i mean, i got into fighting games in the past 10 years and i consider 3rd strike my fav fighting game, so definitely not nostalgia. Thing is, most of these games are super fun outside of the broken stuff or are ssf2x type of shit, being broken is the fun.
Actually he has 6 videos highlighting every CvS2 groove, and that comes with a perfect comparison between PARRY and JUST DEFENSE, on the P-Groove video.
@@heksevilleherothank vanao for making Hugo a viable character for years and keeping him up the tier list. The same was Itazan keeps the fear of grabs in people's hearts and keeping him in contention when it comes to tiers.
I started dabbling in 3rd Strike a week ago and its insane how many videos I get recommended that are a day or 2 or a few hours old with high views. This feels like I picked up the latest SF entry not a decades old game.
Third Strike was a product of it's time and those of us who remember the 90's before RUclips and social media associate it with much better times than we experience today. Feels like everything was better back then except technology which is debatable. People were legitimately happier back then and more human.
@@wildwest1832 Most game developers would KILL for a fanbase this loyal for a game this good. Same for the Marvel vs Capcom games (which recently got a collection that I'm SUPER hyped for)
SF3 has Melee syndrome where the entire roster is horribly balanced but among the viable characters the balance is amazing so it's still an enjoyable game for competition
I generally refer to just defends as a “inverse parry with way stricter timing” I say inverse in terms of the input being away from the attack/projectile like you are guarding, rather than towards an attack/projectile
Love how the video goes along titling each section as a specific mechanic or specific things that certain characters can do...all things considered to be issues with the game. Then it gets to the Chun-Li section and it's just labeled "Chun-Li." The Queen is, herself, an issue with the game. Love at the end of her bit "Also her stage is annoying because of this table." Just everything about her is a pain in the butt to deal with. xD
“STREET FIGHTER 3 COLLECTION” … featuring all versions / revisions, of all 3 titles in the series. Including the options to use the original soundtracks, and arranged soundtracks, in any revision/version. But also allowing us to play in levels/themes/stages from SF3: New Generation, and SF3: 2nd Impact, within 3rd Strike. … imagine playing WIDESCREEN 3rd Strike, but in ELENA’s 2i NIGHT BRIDGE stage/theme/soundtrack, for instance. Or widescreen 3rd Strike, on Necro’s DNB train lab stage. …. but also to play all stages from all 3 title in WIDESCREEN MODE. On all versions/revisions, of all 3 titles Same for CVS COLLECTION.
@@wildwest1832 Very excited to see how good the online experience is with this. Optimistic! As for OE, Iron Galaxy did a good job with 3rd Strike Online edition, on every single aspect, except for the ones I mentioned, and I (& many others) didn’t appreciate the new audio additions, which were meant to sound like more contemporary rap at the time of the port, but were corny, and haven’t aged anywhere near as well as say, the NG arranged album, 2i’s spectacular soundtrack, OR the PS2 Arranged 3rd Strike soundtrack, which had greatly improved audio over the original arcade 3rd Strike’s low quality audio (which is what 30th featured, exclusively)
I saw a gif in some website that showed how to charge Ryu's Denjin faster. You hold the punch button you started the super with + you tap between diagonal top right and diagonal bottom left + tapping the other two punch buttons. So: hold a punch button to start the super, tap opposite diagonals + mash the two punch buttons left.
You could literally go to youtube search and type "fighting game is broken" and the first result is a playlist that has all the latest fighting game is broken videos. I love fighting games so much.
Max just being like “I know…” at the start of the Chun Li section is so funny, because you can tell he’s been haunted by this silly little girl for 2 and a half decades 😂
The more I learn about third strike, the more it feels like it's held together by sheer willpower. I had no idea this game even had port priority of all oversights, but it does! And I have no idea what to do with this cursed knowledge LMAO
Back then, we had no idea about the roster balance of SF3 Third Strike, until now thanks to its players passionately figuring out every gameplay interaction from past all the way to today
I heard instead of 3S online edition they were going to make an HD remix for 3S and balance chun/yun, but the community wanted OG unchanged 3S so we got that instead, and the rest is history.
9:51 as a beginner trying to learn makoto i thought that i was having problem with the HP > SA2 cancel just because of a skill issue, but i guess not then lol
9:15 as a Makoto main, I had too much fun explaining this joke, especially when its done to Akuma, who has the lowest stun and health bars in the game.
This entire vid is essentially just 26min of max watching third strike video essay while constantly unapologetically advertising Garou. And I’m ALL FOR IT !!!
People who have never played: 3rd Strike is perfectly balanced! Me, who's mained Chun-Li and Twelve: 3rd Strike is BS! The only saving grace about playing as Twelve is that the vast majority of opponents don't know the matchups. And despite all the memes/jokes, Twelve DOES have combos. But they start as aerials and go have inverted priority. They go Heavy -> Medium, Heavy -> Light, Medium -> Medium, or Medium -> Light. Seriously, fire up Training Mode and try it. They're also easier to perform on cornered opponents. Neutral Medium Kick has some great stun damage/easy confirm in SA1. SA1 functions as a counterpick against characters with projectile supers. Inputting a back dash after an aerial block attack lets Twelve back dash anywhere between halfway or completely across the screen, depending on the strength of the attack. As for combos: That back/forward throw that everyone jokes is Twelve's max damage attack is 14 (with 11 stun). However, that's nothing but an old meme. Here's what Training Mode says: Aerial HK + Standing MK = 21 (23 stun). Aerial HK + Crouching MK = 20 (15 stun). Aerial HK + Standing/Crouching LP = 17 (15 stun). Aerial HK + Standing/Crouching LK = 18 (15 stun). Aerial HP + Standing MK = 18 (25 stun). Aerial HP + Crouching MK = 17 (17 stun). Aerial HP + Standing/Crouching LP = 14 (17 stun). Aerial HP + Standing/Crouching LK = 15 (17 stun). Aerial MK + Standing MK = 15 (21 stun). Aerial MP + Crouching MK = 14 (13 stun). Aerial MP + Standing/Crouching LP = 12 (13 stun). Aerial MP + Standing/Crouching LK = 13 (13 stun). Aerial MK + Standing/Crouching LP = 11 (11 stun). Aerial MK + Standing/Crouching LK = 12 (11 stun). There's also Aerial HP + L AXE = 14 (19 stun). Aerial HK + L AXE = 17 (17 stun). Aerial MP + L AXE = 12 (15 stun). Aerial MK + L AXE = 11 (13 stun). L AXE combos into SA1. However, there are easier ways. The damage changes slightly because the hitboxes on the spikes are inconsistent and it depends on how close the character sprites are, but the numbers that come up most consistently are: Aerial HP + SA1 = 42 (27 stun). Aerial HK + SA1 = 45 (25 stun). Aerial MP + SA1 = 37 (14 stun). Aerial MK + SA1 = 37 (14 stun.) Hope this helps you figure out how Twelve works and gets you (and others!) to give it a chance. Have fun! 10:58 Yes, the way to parry out of it is to down parry the first hit of Aegis Reflector, and then block Urien's regular attack; the pushback will cause your character to move out of Aegis range. It's fun watching Urien players panic when they realize their trusty unblockable won't work.
As for Twelve's ground moves, there are only a couple of things worth mentioning aside from the L AXE into SA1 combos. First is Neutral MK. Like I mentioned in the first post, it's essential for pressure tactics due to how easy it is to combo into, its relatively fast recovery time, as well as how much stun it does. 8 damage (11 stun) on Ryu might not seem like a lot, but it adds up very quickly; it only needs to connect 7 times to stun him. The hitbox makes the stats inconsistent, but the best I could get on a cornered Ryu with Standing Neutral MK + SA1 = 45 damage (24 stun) with all 9 hits. That's not bad at all. Then there's EX NDL. It can be used as anti-air, even though it's probably safer/easier just to crouch walk out of the way. Since it tracks, it can also hit/juggle opponents who try doing cross-ups. However, EX NDL has one other use: a corner juggle. If a standing opponent doesn't block it, they'll knocked into the air and vulnerable to a follow-up attack. This can be: Standing/Crouching LP = 10 damage (7 stun), Aerial LP/LK = 10 damage (11 stun)/11 damage (9 stun), Standing/Back/Crouching MP = 14 damage (14 stun)/15 damage (14 stun)/12 damage (11 stun), Standing/Back MK = 14 damage (14 stun)/15 damage (14 stun) Standing/Crouching HP = 17 damage (18 stun)/11 damage (9 stun), Standing/Crouching HK = 16 damage (15 stun)/16 damage (7 stun), L NDL = 14 damage (7 stun), L/M/H Standing AXE = 14 damage (11 stun)/15 damage (11 stun)/17 damage (11 stun), Standing/Aerial EX AXE = 18 damage (11 stun)/17 damage (11 stun), and SA1 = 23 damage (13 stun). Again, the damage is slightly more or less depending on the hitbox. I never use this juggle, but it is technically an option.
Anyone else catch that Aegis reflector at 10:28 ....he crouched short kick while Sean was blocking high got no punish....🤨..I didn't see a super flash movement flick of standing to crouch either lol
3s is a game that even with the broken stuff, yun and chun and parry, has survived the pass of time and people are still playing it at the highest levels.
@@gh0rochi363 in the SWC there Rock players. GAROU all Characters, Even Freeman have win posibilities. In SF3 The most Characters Are Trash. In GAROU MOTW You are pointing One char Even youre Wrong.
19:59 Chung li: Im the strongest person around, Im basically roalty. Yun: Hold my drink for me will ya? 23:31 Yun: Your strong but not as strong as me. Yang: Wait a couple of years then youll see.
Aw man, this is my personal favorite street fighter 😭 because its the first time i got to play with the dragon twins, Yun and yang! They are the coolest characters in street fighter imo, AKUMA TOO!
This game has the best version of the characters from this game. Dudley’s voice and Alex’s voice are so iconic to me. It’s not the same in the later games
Love how many videos were inspired by Heeew's original "Melee is broken". It's nice for once to see some quality things move from the Smash community back to the FGC.
God do I love third strike we are still finding things about it and this is the really only fighting game I’ve felt good doing things in. I love yun’s speed but Dudley and Urien seem so fun just challenging characters to use. You try something and it kinda just works is something I miss seeing also the parry system is just so much fun I wish we had more of it but that kinda is what makes 3rd strike special too.
I remember when the streets was hating on street fighter 3. There was too many street fighters.People were hating on alpha too.I don't know why I like alpha. Everybody loves broken ish
This is an interesting lesson that latest rev isn't always perfectly balanced. I do wonder what caused such a shift in balance as I get the impression that 2nd impact was better in balance. But 3S had the fortune of having a magical moment. Also I think some meta things have evolved in the fightcade ecosystem
GuileWinGOAT He is honestly such a great and wholesome creator that just embodies the spirit of playing anything that says "Fighting game" on the box, with your friends.
SF5 was supposed correspond to 3s, as USF4 coresponded with SF2. But in SF5, they decimated air normal variety, which is tough to get over. It bled in to SF6 😢
![Noob To Max With DRAGON REWORK In Blox Fruits [FULL MOVIE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LnBMOinoOvA/mqdefault.jpg)
It's not unbalanced, It's just that every other character is playing SF III, while Chun-li and Yun are playing a Beat n' up and Remy, Twelve, Sean are playing Dark Souls
Edit: Q is playing Dark Souls while using a heavy armor
If characters aren't interacting the way the game says they should(for good and bad) that means they're broken.
Appreciate the comparisons, tho.
@@janematthews9087 Sorry, I was being kinda ironic when I said it wasn't unbalanced, but I'm glad you liked the comparison. Thanks, bro!
Not including Q is crazy.
Sean... Sean is dealing with the balance patch that finally caught up with him from 2nd Impact. It was huge.
@@SpaceGuerilla Fixed
Max is preparing for the Marvel Vs Capcom collection with the help of SF3 3rd strike.
Nostalgia for a time when the first fast and furious movie released
@@aceattorneygeneral3922imagine calling someone a shill because they liked the game even though he acknowledged the flaws before
@@aceattorneygeneral3922your username has a Capcom IP as part of it?
@@aceattorneygeneral3922
yeah he's a massive shill for that decades-old game from the turn of the millennium. i hope he's getting fat and fed from all of that topical MvC2 money that was travelling around. He definitely has a malicious agenda to get people to play an old fighting game. It's just plain ridiculous.
@@aceattorneygeneral3922 As a fellow ace attorney fan, we do not claim this fool
I can't believe people in the FGC say Virtua Fighter is too complex to get into when this is what they've been playing for decades.
they had to use up all their brainspace to memorize Third Strike minutia so there's no room left to learn new stuff
Virtua fighter is too complex and it feels not rewarding, 3rd strike is complex but fun.
@@RyuShinkuuHadoken I very much disagree about VF feeling unrewarding to play, especially when you land a tetsuzanko or somersault kick.
Tbf a a lot of oldheads in the FGC probably play 2D fighters way more.
So going from a 2D game to a 3D game can often be a daunting or even a scary experience to someone who's already acostumed to a certain type of fighting game.
One of the main reasons why I don't really play Tekken despite being a good game.
As a Tekken fan I think this is more Tekken players saying that.
"Go Home And Be A Family Man" - Guile to Chun Li.
"Go Home And Be A Family Man" - Guile to Guile.
"Go Home And Be A Family Guy" - Mr. Washee-Washee to Peter Griffin.
Very surreal to see this vid pop up! Thanks again for checking it out, hope everyone is ready for Evo 🫡
Woah hey
Salute Mr. Family Man 🫡
No, thabk you for being a viable part of FG RUclips.
You've been putting banger FGC videos for while. To have 60k subs is a disrespect.
Really well produced video! Subbed to the channel.
"SF3 is prefectly fair and balanced"... Tell that to the Twelve Remy mains in the crowd
i feel like urien, chun, and yang are all equal matchups for me. effing hard.
@@kendalllafollette1948heard Yun was also a very miserable MU for Remy as well
I feel so bad for Twelve ngl. I actually think he is a really cool idea for a character. I liked Eleven in SF5 as well but I kinda wish he was his own character instead of a second random option.
That's a great double-meaning with the "Twelve Remy mains" part.
@@Dhampire1976As a Remy main, i feel like the matchup against Yun much more miserable than with Chun. You can work your way around Chun. With Yun, you don't get to play the game. He just outperforms Remy so bad in every single scenario.
Makoto is a true MONSTER
Broken🤣
@@Ronin-kk4btshe has to play 3rd strike, tho.
In a game with Yun and Chun, she's a top 8 seat warmer.
my main, I love her and I miss her =)
Even worst, a demon 😈
The real Queen of "i've succesfull laid a meter level special, you died"
There is a weird disconnect between "old fighting gamr broken, half the cast sucks and hit boxes are misplaced and i love it for that" and "new game broken i hate it"
Yeah. I noticed that. Probably old game had charming that player overseeing. Or just nostagita blind. Or people get too soft today lol
@@danishiqbal2963People def too soft nowadays and just don’t wanna learn new mechanics and shit
I do think 3rd strike always has the fun out of being like "I coulda parried that". Even with the strongest characters like Chun the counterplay is very obvious and simple in theory if not to do practically. I can't say that for a lot of old games, and half the cast not having a tool like that makes them feel more unplayable, rather than just disadvantaged.
I think it's an issue with how the balance on old games can't be fixed while in new games there's an expectation for there to be balance. People would definately like an game more if it had better balance, but since they already have a meta set in stone, as well as the fact that it won't be updated more makes people go "Oh, silly 3rd Strike!" while complaining about sf6's balance actaully gets people somewhere which makes people ciritcize it more.
@@danishiqbal2963i mean, i got into fighting games in the past 10 years and i consider 3rd strike my fav fighting game, so definitely not nostalgia. Thing is, most of these games are super fun outside of the broken stuff or are ssf2x type of shit, being broken is the fun.
Guile Win Quote is one of the best FGC RUclipsrs ever.
LESGOOOOOOOO
3rd Strike is broken as fuck, but it's great
Desk has a video comparing PARRY to JUST DEFENSE.
Actually he has 6 videos highlighting every CvS2 groove, and that comes with a perfect comparison between PARRY and JUST DEFENSE, on the P-Groove video.
Gee, Ya Think So?
Poor, Sean and Remy.
It's amazing how Hugo, who is also bad, looks amazing in comparison to those two.
@@heksevilleherothank vanao for making Hugo a viable character for years and keeping him up the tier list. The same was Itazan keeps the fear of grabs in people's hearts and keeping him in contention when it comes to tiers.
Meanwhile, Twelve: 💀
@@AmeNGO758 He's called Twelve cause he dozen do damage
@@heksevillehero BRB need to gouge my eyes out
Sf 3 balance is the reason why I want remy and blue nocturn in sf 6
Yun is playing SF Alpha
Chun is playing Turbo
So true
And Twelve is playing Street Fighter ONE
I played this video accidentally on max volume in my kitchen, scared the daylights out of my family with the beginning LETS GOOOOOO!!!!
It’s super broken but the process of learning is the most satisfying experience ever.
Still to this day, the Evo moment of Ken’s parry against Chun Li is such a legendary moment
And that's likely why it's the go-to ver of the these days
literally everyone and their mother knows that shit
I started dabbling in 3rd Strike a week ago and its insane how many videos I get recommended that are a day or 2 or a few hours old with high views. This feels like I picked up the latest SF entry not a decades old game.
Third Strike was a product of it's time and those of us who remember the 90's before RUclips and social media associate it with much better times than we experience today. Feels like everything was better back then except technology which is debatable. People were legitimately happier back then and more human.
It still has a large audience honestly. There are people playing 3S all these decades later.
@@wildwest1832 Most game developers would KILL for a fanbase this loyal for a game this good. Same for the Marvel vs Capcom games (which recently got a collection that I'm SUPER hyped for)
3rd Strike will never die, unless we all die 😂
SF3 has Melee syndrome where the entire roster is horribly balanced but among the viable characters the balance is amazing so it's still an enjoyable game for competition
I generally refer to just defends as a “inverse parry with way stricter timing” I say inverse in terms of the input being away from the attack/projectile like you are guarding, rather than towards an attack/projectile
Love how the video goes along titling each section as a specific mechanic or specific things that certain characters can do...all things considered to be issues with the game. Then it gets to the Chun-Li section and it's just labeled "Chun-Li." The Queen is, herself, an issue with the game.
Love at the end of her bit "Also her stage is annoying because of this table." Just everything about her is a pain in the butt to deal with. xD
“STREET FIGHTER 3 COLLECTION”
… featuring all versions / revisions, of all 3 titles in the series. Including the options to use the original soundtracks, and arranged soundtracks, in any revision/version.
But also allowing us to play in levels/themes/stages from SF3: New Generation, and SF3: 2nd Impact, within 3rd Strike.
… imagine playing WIDESCREEN 3rd Strike, but in ELENA’s 2i NIGHT BRIDGE stage/theme/soundtrack, for instance. Or widescreen 3rd Strike, on Necro’s DNB train lab stage.
…. but also to play all stages from all 3 title in WIDESCREEN MODE. On all versions/revisions, of all 3 titles
Same for CVS COLLECTION.
sorry if I'm being mean but keep dreaming
rollback netcode, and crossplay. Good tutorials like 3S online edition has already just use that
@@wildwest1832 Very excited to see how good the online experience is with this. Optimistic!
As for OE, Iron Galaxy did a good job with 3rd Strike Online edition, on every single aspect, except for the ones I mentioned, and I (& many others) didn’t appreciate the new audio additions, which were meant to sound like more contemporary rap at the time of the port, but were corny, and haven’t aged anywhere near as well as say, the NG arranged album, 2i’s spectacular soundtrack, OR the PS2 Arranged 3rd Strike soundtrack, which had greatly improved audio over the original arcade 3rd Strike’s low quality audio (which is what 30th featured, exclusively)
or a new street fighter game that feels as good and fun as third strike, i kinda wish sf6 had been that game
I saw a gif in some website that showed how to charge Ryu's Denjin faster.
You hold the punch button you started the super with +
you tap between diagonal top right and diagonal bottom left +
tapping the other two punch buttons.
So: hold a punch button to start the super, tap opposite diagonals + mash the two punch buttons left.
Hmmm
At this point, I'm convinced every fighting game is broken.
If every fighter is broken, then none are broken. All are balanced.
The one's that are not broken are boring
You could literally go to youtube search and type "fighting game is broken" and the first result is a playlist that has all the latest fighting game is broken videos. I love fighting games so much.
@@RippahRooJizah as all things should be.
You're not wrong
15:34 It's in Brawl too, it's so bad some people consider the Snake ditto to be a losing matchup for P1
Nobody can escape from port priority 😂
Max just being like “I know…” at the start of the Chun Li section is so funny, because you can tell he’s been haunted by this silly little girl for 2 and a half decades 😂
It's "Broken (featuring Amy Lee)," but it's my kind of broken.
I'm happy my guy guilewinquote getting recognition
Who ready get destroy by Terry in streetfighter 6.
we gotta know how he plays first and how mai plays as well. do they nerf him so he's balance or leave him as is?
Me 🫡
Elena:Oh now I wouldn't say that.😊
The more I learn about third strike, the more it feels like it's held together by sheer willpower.
I had no idea this game even had port priority of all oversights, but it does! And I have no idea what to do with this cursed knowledge LMAO
Hell yeah, I was hoping he’d cover this vid
Back then, we had no idea about the roster balance of SF3 Third Strike, until now thanks to its players passionately figuring out every gameplay interaction from past all the way to today
I heard instead of 3S online edition they were going to make an HD remix for 3S and balance chun/yun, but the community wanted OG unchanged 3S so we got that instead, and the rest is history.
it would have been cool if we had gotten a revision i think
this game has the best music out of any fighting game ever. We need more games with Drum and Bass Fusion Jazz.
Only person ive ever seen do the Makoto 100% combo in tournaments is that tominaga dude
9:51 as a beginner trying to learn makoto i thought that i was having problem with the HP > SA2 cancel just because of a skill issue, but i guess not then lol
3rd strike chun li feels like a character from an anime fighter
I just want Sean to not suck, man.
Lmao🤣
Gotta play, I think, second impact for that.
DON’T CALL ME DAN!
dan, sakura, laura, sean will be in sf6, they'll be the best 4 duo ever
Second Impact is your answer
9:15 as a Makoto main, I had too much fun explaining this joke, especially when its done to Akuma, who has the lowest stun and health bars in the game.
This entire vid is essentially just 26min of max watching third strike video essay while constantly unapologetically advertising Garou.
And I’m ALL FOR IT !!!
3s is a great game to enjoy at a level beyond casual, but not quite tournament.
I watched Jazzy Circuit last night and saw an Akuma vs Yun match. Yun activated Genei Jin more times than Akuma threw normal fireballs.
People who have never played: 3rd Strike is perfectly balanced!
Me, who's mained Chun-Li and Twelve: 3rd Strike is BS!
The only saving grace about playing as Twelve is that the vast majority of opponents don't know the matchups. And despite all the memes/jokes, Twelve DOES have combos. But they start as aerials and go have inverted priority. They go Heavy -> Medium, Heavy -> Light, Medium -> Medium, or Medium -> Light. Seriously, fire up Training Mode and try it. They're also easier to perform on cornered opponents. Neutral Medium Kick has some great stun damage/easy confirm in SA1. SA1 functions as a counterpick against characters with projectile supers. Inputting a back dash after an aerial block attack lets Twelve back dash anywhere between halfway or completely across the screen, depending on the strength of the attack.
As for combos: That back/forward throw that everyone jokes is Twelve's max damage attack is 14 (with 11 stun). However, that's nothing but an old meme. Here's what Training Mode says:
Aerial HK + Standing MK = 21 (23 stun). Aerial HK + Crouching MK = 20 (15 stun). Aerial HK + Standing/Crouching LP = 17 (15 stun). Aerial HK + Standing/Crouching LK = 18 (15 stun).
Aerial HP + Standing MK = 18 (25 stun). Aerial HP + Crouching MK = 17 (17 stun). Aerial HP + Standing/Crouching LP = 14 (17 stun). Aerial HP + Standing/Crouching LK = 15 (17 stun).
Aerial MK + Standing MK = 15 (21 stun). Aerial MP + Crouching MK = 14 (13 stun). Aerial MP + Standing/Crouching LP = 12 (13 stun). Aerial MP + Standing/Crouching LK = 13 (13 stun). Aerial MK + Standing/Crouching LP = 11 (11 stun). Aerial MK + Standing/Crouching LK = 12 (11 stun).
There's also Aerial HP + L AXE = 14 (19 stun). Aerial HK + L AXE = 17 (17 stun). Aerial MP + L AXE = 12 (15 stun). Aerial MK + L AXE = 11 (13 stun). L AXE combos into SA1. However, there are easier ways. The damage changes slightly because the hitboxes on the spikes are inconsistent and it depends on how close the character sprites are, but the numbers that come up most consistently are:
Aerial HP + SA1 = 42 (27 stun). Aerial HK + SA1 = 45 (25 stun). Aerial MP + SA1 = 37 (14 stun). Aerial MK + SA1 = 37 (14 stun.) Hope this helps you figure out how Twelve works and gets you (and others!) to give it a chance. Have fun!
10:58 Yes, the way to parry out of it is to down parry the first hit of Aegis Reflector, and then block Urien's regular attack; the pushback will cause your character to move out of Aegis range. It's fun watching Urien players panic when they realize their trusty unblockable won't work.
As for Twelve's ground moves, there are only a couple of things worth mentioning aside from the L AXE into SA1 combos. First is Neutral MK. Like I mentioned in the first post, it's essential for pressure tactics due to how easy it is to combo into, its relatively fast recovery time, as well as how much stun it does. 8 damage (11 stun) on Ryu might not seem like a lot, but it adds up very quickly; it only needs to connect 7 times to stun him. The hitbox makes the stats inconsistent, but the best I could get on a cornered Ryu with Standing Neutral MK + SA1 = 45 damage (24 stun) with all 9 hits. That's not bad at all.
Then there's EX NDL. It can be used as anti-air, even though it's probably safer/easier just to crouch walk out of the way. Since it tracks, it can also hit/juggle opponents who try doing cross-ups.
However, EX NDL has one other use: a corner juggle. If a standing opponent doesn't block it, they'll knocked into the air and vulnerable to a follow-up attack. This can be:
Standing/Crouching LP = 10 damage (7 stun), Aerial LP/LK = 10 damage (11 stun)/11 damage (9 stun), Standing/Back/Crouching MP = 14 damage (14 stun)/15 damage (14 stun)/12 damage (11 stun), Standing/Back MK = 14 damage (14 stun)/15 damage (14 stun)
Standing/Crouching HP = 17 damage (18 stun)/11 damage (9 stun), Standing/Crouching HK = 16 damage (15 stun)/16 damage (7 stun), L NDL = 14 damage (7 stun), L/M/H Standing AXE = 14 damage (11 stun)/15 damage (11 stun)/17 damage (11 stun), Standing/Aerial EX AXE = 18 damage (11 stun)/17 damage (11 stun), and SA1 = 23 damage (13 stun).
Again, the damage is slightly more or less depending on the hitbox. I never use this juggle, but it is technically an option.
Anyone else catch that Aegis reflector at 10:28 ....he crouched short kick while Sean was blocking high got no punish....🤨..I didn't see a super flash movement flick of standing to crouch either lol
As daffy duck would say.... "those are just quirks"
This was really nice and fun to watch. Thanks to Max, and the people who made the Third Strike video, featured in Max's vid.👍😄
Justice for Remy is SF6!!!! 😂
*MvC 2&3 chuckle nervously* 😅
The best games are kusoge with heart. MvC as a franchise is broken kusoge, and I adore that about it.
3s is a game that even with the broken stuff, yun and chun and parry, has survived the pass of time and people are still playing it at the highest levels.
i like the idea of replacing skill issue with player 2 problem
Single Player: Skill Issue
Multiplayer: Player 2 Problem
I didn't even know the name of Yun's Genei, I just refer to it as "Yun has WAAAHEEEEE" before he obliterates the poor sap on the receiving end
Guilewinquot, desk and chaosvisoin must've lost there shit when they saw the news
Is the last one spelled right? Link please??
@@Ramsey276one khaosvision
The entire MVC series, MK9, etc. broken games are the best. What fighting game is considered the best in a series and it's super balanced?
Divekick?
GAROU MOTW.
@@Frontera117 Mark of the Wolves top 4 is actually broken. That game is not balanced 😂. You also have totally garbage characters like Rock.
Street fighter 1, its making it to EVO next year, calling it😤
@@gh0rochi363 in the SWC there Rock players. GAROU all Characters, Even Freeman have win posibilities.
In SF3 The most Characters Are Trash. In GAROU MOTW You are pointing One char Even youre Wrong.
19:59 Chung li: Im the strongest person around, Im basically roalty. Yun: Hold my drink for me will ya?
23:31 Yun: Your strong but not as strong as me. Yang: Wait a couple of years then youll see.
SFIV rolls around, Yang gets his ass planted in the dirt while his brother is shoe-in for top 2... *again*
@@Jfrost9101 I mean... even if Yun was better, Yang was still top 5 in ssfiv ae
Gill: Kneel before your master!
@@shayanmanteghi5662 Yun and Chung li: Try us!
That thumbnail makes it look like Chun Li's hand is broken.
The version of Third Strike in the PS4 Anniversary Edition is good. But it does not have Shin Akuma as a selectable hidden character.
Aw man, this is my personal favorite street fighter 😭 because its the first time i got to play with the dragon twins, Yun and yang! They are the coolest characters in street fighter imo, AKUMA TOO!
It sounds like 3rd strike is pretty much exactly the melee of street fighter
I love these "x is broken" fighting game videos. The UMVC3 one (which is the first one i know of) was amazing as well
Guile win quote. Probably went home to be a family man.
Yes, forward press parry is busted
I think you should check out the 8-bit big band cover of “take you for a ride”. It’s awesome and I think you would love it.
This game has the best version of the characters from this game. Dudley’s voice and Alex’s voice are so iconic to me. It’s not the same in the later games
23:51 Yang can create his own twin as 2 Yangs and he still can't beat his real twin Yun.
EVO 2024 will be Yun vs Yun and Yun vs Yun, just to see which Yun is the best Yun of all Yuns.
Guile Win Quote and Theory Fighter videos was my favourite ones to watch if I want to relax.
Love how many videos were inspired by Heeew's original "Melee is broken". It's nice for once to see some quality things move from the Smash community back to the FGC.
So sad he was busy answering that patch question. Makoto grab instantly cutting to the victory screen had me rolling.
God do I love third strike we are still finding things about it and this is the really only fighting game I’ve felt good doing things in. I love yun’s speed but Dudley and Urien seem so fun just challenging characters to use. You try something and it kinda just works is something I miss seeing also the parry system is just so much fun I wish we had more of it but that kinda is what makes 3rd strike special too.
I remember when the streets was hating on street fighter 3. There was too many street fighters.People were hating on alpha too.I don't know why I like alpha. Everybody loves broken ish
This is an interesting lesson that latest rev isn't always perfectly balanced. I do wonder what caused such a shift in balance as I get the impression that 2nd impact was better in balance.
But 3S had the fortune of having a magical moment. Also I think some meta things have evolved in the fightcade ecosystem
Coming here after there were 6 unique characters in evo top 6
I watched that before, I love those types of videos.
YES! GuileWinQuote getting the recognition he deserves!
im definitely checking out city of wolves, never played one before but the new one looks mint
What would happen if someone patched 2nd impact Ibuki or Sean into the game, rather than their nerfed versions? Would they be competitive?
probably
Ibuki as she is isn't even that bad, unlike Sean, but yeah, she would be WAY better.
Max watches 3rd strike videos like it was his high school prom or a wedding
Those good old days hit hard
GuileWinGOAT
He is honestly such a great and wholesome creator that just embodies the spirit of playing anything that says "Fighting game" on the box, with your friends.
As a Melee player I love watching third strike because it’s similarly optimized because of its age
Those games as well as Marvel 2, yeah
I just hopped back online on the street fighter 30th anniversary collection last night.
For denjin doing diagonals from side to opposite side will give you faster charge
I didn't expect a Captain Tsubasa reference in a SF video.
SF5 was supposed correspond to 3s, as USF4 coresponded with SF2. But in SF5, they decimated air normal variety, which is tough to get over. It bled in to SF6 😢
Does anyone know if Max has seen the Umvc3 is broken video?
15:09 Ah yes, port priority.
Yun is playing alpha 3 v-ism and we hate him for it lmao
it would be hilarious if Max watches ShingoBeats' Bronze Age Akuma Tech videos lol XD
To parry out of aegis set up is down parry, back parry into forward parry if I remember correctly.
Do his Super Turbo video next!!
This video is very impressive to have some stuff that even MAX didn’t know about 3RD STRIKE!
To me the best fighting game parry is Maximum impacts parry. It what I would call a true parry. The opponent is always open for a counter attack
19:20 didn't know you can do universal overhead into hyoku-sen. is the universal overhead cancelable for other characters too?
That was a great video and long live street fighter👏👏👏
The fighting game i want to see make a come back is Art of Fighting
i never knew this game existed till recently
I would've liked Alpha 3 max's roster for 3rd strike, but a man can only dream...
3rd strike: Just Do Stuff
that should be the title.
i got the Ken and Makoto neutral throw bug the only time I got to play a 3s cabinet a few years ago when I was in Philly
Id be down to see Makoto come back.
Shout out to **Ch0sen** and his Yun. I can personally say that I have seen him GRIND on playing Yun for quite a while, and he’s come a LONG way!