The AR (Acoustic Research) turntable in the 1960s was the design inspiration for the Linn (heavy platter, belt-driven, independent suspension). The AR retailed for $68 back then. The Linn today cost WHAT?
Afromosia with fluted sides for me, the original look and when the LP12 would wipe the floor of any other turntable made. We are in the realms of diminishing returns here, but there is no question that vinyl rules. This turntable with Naim amplification for me, always... they go together like love and marriage as the songs says... just find me some 2nd hand Isobariks!
I've had an interest in hifi and electronics for most of my life, so I would say I know enough to appreciate what a truly well-made product the LP12 is. However, the two things that have always put me off are the eye-watering price and the pretentious nonsense that some people talk when describing it.
I still have an sentimental attachment to the LP12, have 3 in my collection but it's getting harder & harder to defend its relevance in 2023...btw, have 2 Woodsong Audio plinths & can defiantly vouch for the sonic upgrade.
I agree it's, a great deal of money.... But you are kidding yourself if you think your mass produced Japanese turntable sounds as good as the Linn. It's just not the way hifi works,sadly.
@@apollomemories7399 interesting. Similarly, not all of us a grumpy “I have to comment on every minor thing that chaps my arse” type of person. Takes all kinds I suppose. And yet the choice to not comment is available to you. It’s impressive the depths of grumpiness in the RUclips comments. 8/10.
I always thought that with an LP12, the lighter the plinth the better the sound, making a Black Ash model, it being the lightest of the wood choices, the best sounding one.
I have a black ash & an Afromosia. I do not think their is sonically any difference. The Keel makes a difference with an Ekos. The latest Linn upgrades are unlikely to be cost effective.
Builds up over time , in severe cases can lead to a turntable energy explosion , Google "turntable plinth energy explosion" There's ways to drain the energy but you have to have electronics knowledge and can be dangerous to your health. Thanks for commenting
Yes, we find the Quadraspire X-Reference rack sounds great with an LP12, though that depends on the floor. Mostly we would recommend a wall shelf, with the Quadraspire SVT Bronze being the top performer.
Linn's pricing strategy seems to be to make their gear preposterously expensive into order to dazzle folks into believing their products must be the best if they cost that much! And the conceit of paying an extra premium for Mr Ives trademark radiused corners and edges styling is outrageous, especially when it's a slavish but superficial stylistic application of Dieter Rams' industrial design philosophy and language that he developed while working with Braun in the late 50's and 60's.
Back in the day I had an Ariston RD11S with an SME 3009 arm. It was not significantly inferior to my friend's Linn (I think the Ariston had better bass and stronger imaging for example) but Linn's marketing was always 'special'.... Lovely deck, but the pricing is just silly |MHO
It doesn’t matter what minor improvements have been made , is this product worth the price ? Absolutely not I,ve had an LP 12 when first launched , Fergus Fons , Thorens ….seen em all listened to em . For a product which fundamentally hasn’t changed a great deal , the price is now off the scale stupid ..
Firstly, the LP12 in top-spec guise is poor VFM, and suffers from tonal imbalance ('bloom') and higher tracking noise relative to others, thanks to its suspension, belt-drive and general construction. There are several after-market plinths which are better/different to Linn's standard offerings -- far cheaper than this nonsense.
Fantastic: My own LP-12 is circa 1987 and i love it the same today as i did when i first received it.
The AR (Acoustic Research) turntable in the 1960s was the design inspiration for the Linn (heavy platter, belt-driven, independent suspension). The AR retailed for $68 back then. The Linn today cost WHAT?
Well the current Ekos tonearm is now £4880 inc VAT. My original Ekos was under £1000!
When the original ekos was introduced in 1988 a pint of bitter was 91p, and the average house price £52,448.
Come on Jerry, You know it's gone up a lot. Atleast Linn fixed the down force dial that seized in those early models. @@jerrypartington3650
And ofcourse the headshell is too small for most cartridges, agreed?
For example does your OC9 model fit?
Afromosia with fluted sides for me, the original look and when the LP12 would wipe the floor of any other turntable made. We are in the realms of diminishing returns here, but there is no question that vinyl rules. This turntable with Naim amplification for me, always... they go together like love and marriage as the songs says... just find me some 2nd hand Isobariks!
Couldn't agree more. I've upgraded my electronics over the years and my LP-12 and enjoy my music more today than i did in 1987, thanks LINN.
I've had an interest in hifi and electronics for most of my life, so I would say I know enough to appreciate what a truly well-made product the LP12 is. However, the two things that have always put me off are the eye-watering price and the pretentious nonsense that some people talk when describing it.
Ah...but it's a sensitive price hike!
A stunning piece of design and engineering.
I still have an sentimental attachment to the LP12, have 3 in my collection but it's getting harder & harder to defend its relevance in 2023...btw, have 2 Woodsong Audio plinths & can defiantly vouch for the sonic upgrade.
Yup owned one for nearly 50 years but still prefer the 401.
Forgive me but £50.000 for that ! I spent £3000 on my technics sl 1200g, and i very much doubt the linn sounds any better .
I agree it's, a great deal of money.... But you are kidding yourself if you think your mass produced Japanese turntable sounds as good as the Linn. It's just not the way hifi works,sadly.
Try one and I’m sure you’ll change your mind.
5% better for 17X the price.@@tonyjedioftheforest1364
If the technics was hand made in the UK it would cost around £6000 I have heard them with moded rega tonearms and I ended up buying a Linn.
Really annoying background lift music
Then jog on.
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@@_fakeklg We're not all nodding-head millennials. It's profoundly annoying and wholly unnecessary.
@@apollomemories7399 interesting. Similarly, not all of us a grumpy “I have to comment on every minor thing that chaps my arse” type of person. Takes all kinds I suppose. And yet the choice to not comment is available to you. It’s impressive the depths of grumpiness in the RUclips comments. 8/10.
@@_fakeklg Said the dolt who commented TWICE! Duh!
I always thought that with an LP12, the lighter the plinth the better the sound, making a Black Ash model, it being the lightest of the wood choices, the best sounding one.
I have a black ash & an Afromosia. I do not think their is sonically any difference. The Keel makes a difference with an Ekos. The latest Linn upgrades are unlikely to be cost effective.
If the plinth absorbs more vibrations, what happens later with that stored energy?
Builds up over time , in severe cases can lead to a turntable energy explosion , Google "turntable plinth energy explosion" There's ways to drain the energy but you have to have electronics knowledge and can be dangerous to your health. Thanks for commenting
It turns into heat energy, mostly. Which is a good thing as far as sound goes.
It smears the sound.
We changed the switch to a new one and we changed the price by 50000
Do you recommend the rack shown here as a good match for the Linn?
Yes, we find the Quadraspire X-Reference rack sounds great with an LP12, though that depends on the floor. Mostly we would recommend a wall shelf, with the Quadraspire SVT Bronze being the top performer.
Linn's pricing strategy seems to be to make their gear preposterously expensive into order to dazzle folks into believing their products must be the best if they cost that much! And the conceit of paying an extra premium for Mr Ives trademark radiused corners and edges styling is outrageous, especially when it's a slavish but superficial stylistic application of Dieter Rams' industrial design philosophy and language that he developed while working with Braun in the late 50's and 60's.
Back in the day I had an Ariston RD11S with an SME 3009 arm. It was not significantly inferior to my friend's Linn (I think the Ariston had better bass and stronger imaging for example) but Linn's marketing was always 'special'.... Lovely deck, but the pricing is just silly |MHO
Google for Aristons designer suffering as his design was hijacked. Tragic
If you call a Linn dealer ask what other turntables they carry the answer will probably be non or Rega.
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It doesn’t matter what minor improvements have been made , is this product worth the price ?
Absolutely not
I,ve had an LP 12 when first launched , Fergus Fons , Thorens ….seen em all listened to em .
For a product which fundamentally hasn’t changed a great deal , the price is now off the scale stupid ..
Will you get to the point!
Selling stuff via impressionable young man
Should really machine your plinth from solid Uranium, as it is quite dense.
Shame they have cut corners and used wood.
Eh, why did they have a child design it?? Was it a science project?
And money sings?
Linn, have always took the mickey. This continues their philosophy. Compared to SME, this laughable.
Well, they could hardly copy-cat the Rega minimal mass philosophy. That would be chaeating.
Firstly, the LP12 in top-spec guise is poor VFM, and suffers from tonal imbalance ('bloom') and higher tracking noise relative to others, thanks to its suspension, belt-drive and general construction. There are several after-market plinths which are better/different to Linn's standard offerings -- far cheaper than this nonsense.
Way over priced I have a 25th anniversary Klimax level and I would sell it for 1/5 of current price which is around 50.000,00£
what a joke :-)))))))))))))
The tune is dead.
built it with gold,, than its making more sense
Very informative chat, Allan 👍
Way overpriced