RME I Have A Complaint
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For those wanting the short version: he does not like the reverb and delay on Totalmix. My 2 cents: They could improve the reverb but I find it absolutely usable for tracking. Never had a complaint in 10 years!
Thanks god
He is right the reverb absolutely sucks I would be embarrassed to put that on a monitor mix for a singer. It's shockingly awful 😢
Thank you!
They could, feasibly, include a better reverb, but that same "better" reverb might not allow for the nano second latency. Just a thought, I'm no PhD in electronics.
@@ignacedhont9816 it's not meant to be used on a track.
I don’t get why a case has been made out of TotalMix; the whole concept lies in a sentence in the manual, all you need to know lies in a one sentence, right there in the manual, and it’s very simple to grasp.
To paraphrase that sentence: select a destination (i.e. an output in the third row), then send the input(s) (first and second row) you want to that output by raising its fader.
Tell me it’s hard to grasp? Select a destination, then send to that destination. Couldn't be simpler than that, right?
In this regard, there’s nothing to complain about RME. A simple concept, described in one sentence in the manual.
its a matrix mixer...
@@regrettingthis It is. And the Matrix view, although not “sexy” is even simpler to grasp!
There’s no “code to crack”, really!
I concur completely. Your videos on TotalMix are incredibly more informational and clear than all of the RME videos. They should certainly hire you to do a comprehensive series on TotalMix.
Why would they pay him when he's already done it for free?😂
@@jdl2180 Because he deserves it.
@@SoundFixationTV And he'd go into greater detail than he did in his videos. But yea', for what it's worth, Barry's videos helped me way, way more than the RME ones did.
@@ZekeMagnar Absolutely. In all honesty, except through my own trial and error, the RME videos were mostly useless. Barry's videos were miles above better. A sponsored/detailed video on Totalmix by Barry, sanctioned by @RMEAudio,
would be the best money RME would ever spend on their Totalmix software.
@@SoundFixationTV Agreed!
I actually like the RME verb....and I own every verb under the sun. I suggest putting on some headphones some evening....and run through all the different algorithms and see if there is anything in there you like. There are a lot of different ones and they sound drastically different. It is no bracasti or anything. On a side note...I am an engineer running a commercial studio and have had many artists over the years ask what the verb was because they liked it. I believe the real problem is how the tools are presented. They do require a lot of messing about to sound great. They should update and simplify the algorithms to some universally great sounding plates, rooms and chambers we all know and love. I wish they would update the delay more than the verb. Also add a bpm parameter. Also the ability to mouse drag eq points would be convenient. Fin.
BARRY YOU ARE NEVER SATISFIED OMG
I'm never satisfied TOO, so your not alone :)
OMG, clearly YOU are never satisfied with Barry, which is neither here nor there
@@owlmuso lol
Because we’re always looking for “BETTER” 😜🎚🎧
@@GeorgeAmodei21 *either
I watched RME videos. They are what led me to you mate. They need to incorporate your videos in to their training.
My main gripe is that they’re so incredibly rude on their forum. They’re a hair away from calling you an absolute moron for not knowing how to do something...
Nah, only when tons of people ask questions that can be answered with very minimal searching. Ive always thought it was amazing that Mathias himself is on there constantly adding value. I have plenty of grace for any of the comments that seem slightly impatient. Do your due diligence before asking questions. But even then he usually either gives an answer or directs you to one.
@@LaminarSound they reply rudely and curtly across the board, including to plenty of ‘new’ questions too. You can love them all you want but don’t discredit people’s experience with ‘nah’. I’ve done my due diligence thank you very much.
@@Beatsmith2005 if you feel discredited thats on you. I gave my opinion. Ive been on the forum upwards of 12 yrs off and on, so it's based on experience. You might have had a different one. Thats fine.
I have excactly the opposite experience there. Asked a question about a 15 year old RME device and had an polite answer within a day by one of their techs.
@@hondbanjer over the many years ive been on there its been by far mostly polite and quick responses. I HAVE indeed seen a few less than patient responses, and its always been for questions that have easily found answers already in many places in the forum. Again, MY EXPERIENCE.
RME = Really Magical Effects
I agree with your take on RME, Barry. It’s the drivers. Those of us who have been doing this for decades may have more appreciation for their drivers, having suffered through ridiculous hours of troubleshooting and hacking drivers/latency/bugs, etc. Also, you are right about RME’s training materials - like you, I consider myself fairly savvy, yet I came away from their TotalMix videos scratching my head. That’s why I appreciated your “cracking the TotalMix code” videos. I’ll bet that RME outsourced those plugins so they could tout it in their marketing.
I use Zero Latency Monitoring feature in Nuendo / RME with the Nuendo monitoring mixer.
This allows Nuendo to control RME Total mix mixer with the Nuendo monitor mixer,therefore Zero Latency. This bypasses any plugins that as the monitored audio is not going through the pc.
Great video, magic of Totalmix.
Thanks Barry for your video. I use my RME UFX+ with Live Professor and I am able to make monitor settings with my favorite vst plugins (compressors, eq, reverb,delay and one ove the most important thing for my clients - AUTO-TUNE with low latency settings) only for the headphones outs. In my DAW I have plugins with 0.5sec latancy (like lin-phase eq, soothe2 and ect) but I dont use is to monitor.
YES!
UFXiii user here. LOVE RME! I have to say I don’t really understand why you think RME’s TotalMix videos are so hard to understand though. I watched them before I decided to buy my interface, and again when I actually had it in front of me for the first time as a refresher. I think their videos are fine. I’m no rocket scientist, but I do have German ancestry. 🤣
The biggest thing is to remember to before you start pushing faders is to select the output you want to create a mix for FIRST.
I do a ton of live audio too, so this workflow is no different than when I switch a live console to sends on faders for a monitor mix. In most cases you have to select the monitor send’s main output, then press the send on faders button and mix away. Perhaps they’re borrowing from that workflow, which may not be as obvious to people if they don’t also have a live audio background?
I agree the built in TotalMix reverb isn’t great, but I don’t use it much. I used the delay to dial in a slap back echo while tracking vocals a couple weeks ago, and it did what it needed to do. I almost never use the EQ and comp, so I don’t have much to say about them.
I agree with you... once I realized the general workflow was the same as a digital mixing console, I was off! TotalMix FX is da bomb
@@darylsamuel90 It really is simple to use - dare I say intuitive - if you’ve used just about any live digital console.
Love everything RME does!!....is always quality....the learning curve with Total mix is ultimately a useful thing imo...they also make some good instructional videos that are detailed as far as i have found!
I have been a RME user since the Fireface 800 came (just checked and its almost to the day exactly 20 years). Have been using Totalmix since day one, and honestly I never really had an issue understanding it. 20 years later it fits like a glove, and is part of my daily workflow. But I can understand that it can be hard to wrap your head around it... Anyway nowadays using RME HDspe MADI FX together with a FerroFish A32pro (Which btw is also "RME"). For me the perfect combo, and the FerroFish has great converters. The great thing about RME, no matter which interface you use, Totalmix is always the same. Has been for 20 years and will probably be the same for the next .... years 🙂
Long time RME user here... Ive always felt the verbs in TotalMix FX were *OK only. The real problem is in the decay. Theres an abrubt drop out at the tail end of most of the verbs. But agree, they arent great. Just passable for tracking which is indeed odd considering everything else they do is BANGER. That said, the only REAL issue I have in the DSP is the compressors not having actual gain reduction meters. Yeah the little blue bar goes down but never tells you exactly how much youre compressing. Again, not end of the world, but seems like they could easily just add a gain reduction meter, or add the actual values somewhere in there. I think the EQs are actually pretty solid and Ive actually mixed a live show through Total Mix back when I ran a UFX. The EQs were great. And the new Room EQ feature is just ridiculously useful.
Barry, thanks for the vid. There is a very easy way to use whatever reverb plugin you like with low latency: On your recording track, engage monitoring/listening. Pull the volume fader all the way down. Do a pre-fader send on said track to your reverb plugin. Use the DAW/Input balance on interface to balance monitoring of dry input with reverb (fed by the pre-fader send). Now, if you need lower latency (more computer power), render the whole project first, solo the rendered backing. Dis-engage plugin delay compensation. Lower the latency. Record. The tiny bit of remaining latency on the reverb send can be considered 'free pre-delay'. And the latency for monitoring your interface input signal is pretty much close to 0. So, if it is just an overdubbing affair, there is no real need for onboard DSP regardless of the interface.
We needed this video! RME are great, but I want to feel inspired and not like a scientist when using TotalmixFX. I think the UI could be more intuitive as well.
thank you!!
You've hit the nail on the head about the efx. I've used the reverbs for vocalist and know off the top that it is lacking to the point of sometimes it's just better not to use it at all. Ive tried just about anything you can try regarding their efx offerings but, nothing seems to be good enough to get a nice smooth buttery reverb for reference tracking. An upgrade in this area would be welcomed tremendously!!
I switched from Motu to RME because of the driver stability (Win 10,11). In combination with Cubase = perfect, no more frozen DAW and no more broken recording session. But as always with German technology, you have to dig in, just compare e.g. with Cubase, I have similar experience. I am already working in a German company and this is an overall approach, so nothing new for me. But I fully understand the point, they should update the learning content to be more in line with the modern world and the effects are obsolete, except the quite usable compressor.
Not sure Barry, because I tested the reverb on a guitar and it sounded fine, although it was more for demoing and getting a better understanding of TotalMix. Now you are spot on about their training videos as those were horrible and the only way I became halfway proficient with it was due to YOUR video series so thank you so much for that. But to your main point, revamping the plugin may increase the price point which RME is already on the premium end of the spectrum however the units you are comparing it to are more budget friendly, so compromises have to be made. Not sure if I or others would agree with the potential increase when there are a gluttony of plugins available that will get the job done.
I don't use any onboard effects of the RME. From my understanding when i talked to someone from RME on superbooth, those gimmicks aren't in their focus i think. I asked why they don't build a Totalmix Remote for Android, and guess what, there are only four guys at RME who are developing, engineering the Hardware and Software... and thats the reason why the drivers are still updated and working perfectly fine. They didn't outsourced Software Development, like many others did. I mean four guys, making firmware and driver updates beside of creating new devices. Totally crazy. I'm sure there are way more people at Universal Audio. Also i need to mention. The Firmware File would be huge if they would go on implement State of the art reverb.
i use a rme digiface usb with a prism sound orpheus and a behringer ada8200......0 problems......excellent drivers....other companies should take note
Barry, your TotalMix videos saved me
The RME eq is really good in my opinion. My complaint with the effects would be it's too hard to see some details. A refresh visually and sonically would be nice.
Great info, Barry. I never knew that they have a poor reverb in that Mix FX.... I assumed I would be a great sounding reverb, as anyone would expect from RME. Since I have a very very very old RME device still running I have Total Mix, but not FX. ;-)
I would have to agree that RME certainly falls short in their videos. In fact, it was watching your videos on total mix that finally made it clear to me. So thank you for your work and your efforts to share useful information. And also thank you for being critical, we all need to hear it now and again.
Only gripe I have with RME BFP FS is my headphone port short circuits with my LCD-X headphones and I have to reboot the interface. Retail location refused to warranty this and RME forum was helpful but never helped me solve the issue. Only options left is not use my primary headphone with my interface or find a 3rd party that would be willing to open the unit up and inspect and measure the headphone out.
Just bought a UFX III to replace my apollo but will be keeping it connected via adat specifically for this reason and a few others. Cause I too also wanted to go lynx but even though I am a mac guy wanted to move away from thunderbolt.
My other gripe is the ARC USB - it could be super useful but the functionality is super limited in terms of what and how you can assign things. You can't assign multiple functions to one button press and can only toggle certain things for example. I agree with other comments that their attitude on their forums is generally really rude too.
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I'm glad to hear that someone else finds Total Mix less than user-friendly.
Watch my videos that are LinkedIn this video in the description, and it will become very clear to you fairly quickly.
bought the rme ucx fireface years ago for my windows pc....wanted to use it for the first time with an apple macbook to record some vocals and was stunned that it doesn't support direct monitoring on ios
Am a MOTU person, but recently really diggin the RME stuff, probably gonna get some of it when i get a new computer.
I love my baby face. I got it bc if I switched to windows at some point, I would probably have the best luck with them. TotalMix doesn't seem that bad to me, but the loopback is very weird to me, how it just routes back to a certain physical input. I had not noticed the issue with the verb, but I also am not used to using a lot of higher end stuff.
I had a UFX3 for about 6 months and i loved it. Totalmix FX are just straight up for tracking and nothing else. I traded up for a Prism Titan strictly on conversion and yes, it’s better in that regard and the mic pres are the best interface pres I’ve ever heard. I want totalmix back though with my whole heart. It wasn’t hard. I think after a day of messing with it now it’s hard to not have it.
I actually don’t use total mix for tracking very often, I use it for many other things daily. Actually, I would say the tracking aspect of it, is the least significant thing that you can do with total mix. It’s the most powerful system I’ve ever seen, and I’ve tried a lot of them!
RME IS KING
Great video, my plan is to upgrade to RME from uad twin hopefully is the right way to go
It‘s true that the initial obstacle to understand TotalMix is a bit higher, even (or especially?) when you come from a classic mix desk background. But after you got the concept it‘s easy. And another thing is: I don‘t know how to change the actual GUI to a more easy interface without losing functionality. Okay, they could have been implement a total n00b mode where you get graphical bubbles asking you: „what do you wanna record: Mic/Guitar/Bass/Voice?“ and providing presets for the most usecases. But this a truckload of work maybe for a group of users which may not be the main target group.
totally agree... I keep saying the same thing about DMG audio plugins or Samplitude/Sequoia DAW... They just don't make in-depth tutorials
I literally was editing the Totalmix series into a boiled down Cheat Sheet for myself too
If it’s easier email me and I can send you the full videos.
totaly agree. I use and love RME since 2008 but the UCXII is not as good as my old trusty fireface 400. The phone output jack is showing connection problems, sometimes channel 5 doesnt work (I have to reboot the whole unit, meaning I have to reboot pro tools...), the rvbs, delays and compressors are not good either. It is a shame, I still love RME (although Total Mix could have been simplified), but they really should fix these issues.
I like how you call it out... Most RUclipsrs are so afraid to call any company out.
I have not one single complaint about my Dante enabled Burl Mothership. Sub ~2ms round trip latency. Solid performance. The actual SOUND of the transformer based inputs and Mastering Cards. It’s perfection
They are very good!
*PREACH THAT GOSPEL!!! I DONT WASTE MY MONEY ON ANYTHING ELSE*
The frustration of getting my bus compressor routed thru RME UCX as an insert was worth it in the end. Its like having the flock audio patch built into your interface BUT I'll reiterate what Barry said they could do a way better job at explaining this stuff. I guess their interfaces are geared towards ""professional studio users"" who already know the system or can figure it out easily but sheesh. Total mix reminds me of going from android to apple, everything is different but actually simpler when you find the menu its tucked in.
if I had $25k to spend and I am a song-writer & artist who wants to work mostly in the box and record my own cd's but I also want to record a band occassionally at my 12 x 15 home studio space, what specific equipment would you recommend?
Way too much to get into here. So many variables and options.
Great video Barry. I got a 2015 iMac 2 years ago and my Babyface (original) just won't work with it. I have gone online to try and find any help nothing has worked. The interface work fine with any other computer. Any helpful tips from anyone will be appreciated.
RME fanboi and Madi fx user here. I have way too many rackmount hardware synthesizers hooked up into my system. (24 channels?) When all the units are on and nothing playing, they make an incredible noise together… Not a good one ha ha. The gate setting on the dynamics plug-in in RME mix does the trick nicely on all those channels.
I haven’t had anyone be uninspired by the verb, neither singers I’ve been working with, nor myself singing and playing brass/ string instruments.
I admit I don’t think the reverb is great, but for my uses as just something to listen to when tracking it has been fine. I do have a couple hardware units I could use if Barry (or someone else with similar concerns ) wants to come over and sing a track though ha ha 😆👍 kurtzweil ksp8 or lex pcm 91 FTW 😍
If RME were to really up the game on that software, would it mean less instances I think that is the advantage of a lighter plug-in… These MADI systems in theory can handle hundreds and hundreds of tracks... now I am just brainstorming. Thank you for the video Barry. You are always doing great work.
The compressor sound pretty decent to be honest. Totalmix could have a better user interface though!
Apart from reverbs, I hate the fact they don't include gates. True, there is expander, but then you lose the compressor
you can do overdubs and use a send in the daw for any reverb or delay you want and then use the direct in total mix to control the amount of wet/dry. this solution works as long as your buffer is not insanely high as any delay will just be percieved as slight pre delay for reverb or a few extra ms for a delay. its pretty simple. rme is for professionals who either know these 'work arounds', have a powerful enough computer to handle real time tracking or use hardware compressors ect on the way in. after all these interfaces are not expensive. also not including plugins is the reason that the rme software works so easily and has such good backwards compatibility. keep rme rme
That send won’t die if you have an intense session as mine typically are.
@@BarryJohns no it will not unless you use obscene buffer size
@@BarryJohns what?
Hi Barry. I'm a UFX-user. And I'm 100% with you on this! RME: go fix! Now!
Man I 1000% agree. I have both the og UFX and the UFX+ (with the ferrofish of course) and I’ve been waiting for well over a decade now for actual USEABLE dsp. The EQs are OK… but the dynamics are so limited they’re basically useless, just like the time effects. I’d love to print with them but it’s rare that I find an occasion they actually are capable of doing what I want them to.
I would KILL to have full ratio, attack/release, and knee settings on the dynamics section. Imagine having a key input from the EQ like every other digital console!
It’s not like the DSP power isn’t there.
Also how bout an RTA on each active EQ? I know we have DIGICheck (I have mine up always on a second monitor for meter, RTA, and phase scope) but it’s cumbersome to constantly have to change channel selections. Hell I feel like they could at least add an option to make the RTA follow the EQ in focus.
Thanks so much. What about RME’s brand new conversters, have you any chance with them?
Not yet.
I have the RME Babyface v1. I stopped using it as I couldnt get the signal in without digital distortion due to the original mixing software being such a pain in the arse to use. My Zoom H6 and Line 6 Helix was plug and play, I've ended up using those instead even though its inferior. Interesting to see their FX havent progressed. They should do a deal with Valhalla
i just wish they could implement a patchbay view like the one found in the Flock stuff, to swap around gear easier.
Yes!
Using a RME PCIe Raydat on Linux - I would say the programming is not just the drivers, but the FPGA that adds to the stability, and also the electronics themselves.
The linux driver is not written by RME (although they did provide answers to the developers for whatever they wanted).. and the stability is the best I've had on Linux).
I only use windows sparingly (to use izotope - which isn't all the time) .. so I don't use TotalmixFX .. I use HDSPMixer which has no documentation - but basically facilitates any routing you could want.
(that said the HDSPE doesn't have the same DSP power of the UFX plus -- so I don't think I'm really missing anything)
yeah total mix is a bit hard to get around. I have a babyface pro FS and I set it to daw mode and other than setting the input gain, phantom power on/off, the pad on/off I try to avoid it. Not the best approach, but I like the low latency and solid quality, dsp and mad routing I don't need so appreciate that I don't need to mess with it. But my approach is due to my inability to learn to use total mix properly and yes the RME training is not helpful.
I loved the RME sound, but I tried one of the old PCI interfaces a long time ago, and it was glitchy with my G5 tower at the time. So I returned it and tried the (then new) Fireface UC. The sound was there, but I did not like their documentation at all, and I did not like TotalMix at all. I found that every time I used it, I was frustrated. So I ended up selling the UC. Poor documentation, support from Synthax that I found lackluster, and the spartan and minimalist TotalMix that did not gel with the way my brain works. I still have my RME OctaMic II, but even that relatively simple box gives me trouble. I couldn't get it working with a Gen 1 Scarlett 18i8 recently. Glad you like it, but that brand is not for me.
Both RME PCIe MADI cards have had strange mechanical design issues. For the first one the choice of breakout connector was insane. For the FX the expansion PCB is only attached to the mounting bracket at one end, so the whole thing flexes into the computer chassis when you put the slightest pressure on the connectors.
That’s interesting, I’ve never had a single issue with Madi on my device.
@@BarryJohns The actual MADI part works well. One thing I will say though is that having to remap channels at different sample rates due to multiplexing is a pain. The Ferrofish ADAT implementation somehow avoids this.
As someone who still does a lot of tracking I’m happy with my carbon and glad I was able to move away from UA. I am obviously getting the best use of it because I’m a PT user. But the investment is well worth it for me. Great video like always.
I was very happy with my Carbon, excellent interface, would be leaps better if they opened it up to other AVB devices. Just won’t deal with the evil Avid Empire😁
Facts!
Your Lights in back really bring out your Artisan Table ( Off TOPIC : SORRY )
Isn't the easy fix to use Gig Performer to use any efx plugin you want without introducing much latency?
I got to know, is that a table you’ve made? Is that also Purple Heart wood? If so that looks Amazing and I’ve never seen that much Purple Heart on one piece.
My main gripe with totalmix is the inability to reorder channels. It makes zero sense when it's just a software thing and not a hardware or dsp limitation. It's infuriating when you have outboard preamps - say I'm tracking drums and have snare mics on api pres which are on madi channels and other mics which are on analog lines, and then some on adat. It becomes a nightmare monitoring and dealing with cue mixes because channels are all over the places and not in a logical order. Sure, a patchbay solves this, but then setting up tracking presets in totalmix becomes unnecessarily complicated. I find in sessions everything takes so much longer because navigating around totalmix is a nightmare if you have a bunch of different pres you use. It also makes using the ipad app for cue mixes a nightmare too. Personally i think totalmix is fine otherwise and incredibly simple to use for monitoring and cue mixes. The UI could be better (they should take notes from modern digital mixing console UI's) and that includes the ipad app which is a lazy implementation of the desktop ui with bad scaling.
You can hide unused channels in Totalmix.
Its good stuff but a pain in the arse, after years and years I finally gave up on it. I think it could maintain the power with a rethink of how it looks. I thinks buying a great DAC (Topping) can give you a great mastering output. Then you can use whatever ADC you want. Apollo Twin X is great for this asnd get a good DAC for the mixing. The Apollo X has been rock solid on my MAC, with no latency. And the X series DAC is good stuff. The plugins are so cheap on UAD now. Grab the APID channel strip you have pretty much a perfect front end for recording. Oh and I found you can still use the DAC in realtime with the UAD which is pretty f@£cking amazing! Its like have a Lynx Aurora but with a cool ADC. Only on Mac though.
So do you record other people or make recordings yourself?
I agree their videos are terrible…
Products are excellent 👍🏻
I believe with Cubase you can freeze in place your tracks taking the load off your computer so you can track easier with a plugin
Yes but I’m not a fan.
@@BarryJohns I pre-ordered the new RME M-1620 Pro that has 16 in's and outs to go with my UFX III. I hope I did not make a mistake. Can RME upgrade the effects with firmware or would it require a whole new interface?
@@BarryJohns I see RME has a video about something called Live Professor. It appears to be program you can run with RME interface for low latency and it runs your plugins. Not sure how this works. Have you seen it?
Never used any of the fx processing on my RME UFX3 and Multiface interfaces. TMix is weirdly complex, powerful but makes doing complex patching much easier, mults are a freeking breeze now.
OK. look up this RME video about TotalMix and a program called LiveProfessor. You use the loopback feature in TotalMix to connect to LiveProfessor and you can use any of your plugins and avoid the round trip latency. Looks like LiveProfessor is 99 euros. I am still watching the video. It maybe worth your while.
mowing from universal audio i find their mixer especially routing much more confusing then Total mix
hahahah.... i thought the same everytime.....
Yes I'm interested In RME But I don't have a clue How you would even hook it up to different microphones. Need some kind of breakout box ?
It has mic preamps
Do you think UAD is working on new Apollo Units?
I thought so, but today I don’t know. I do think it’s long overdue.
I would love better quality effects but I can live with it. I would rather have an autotune type plugin would be a dream.
Another complaint about RME: I just can't find the talent button. I know it's gotta be there somewhere,. maybe it's in the software......Help me out here Barry.
Totally agree! TotalMix... Amazing! Reverb... wtf RME??? It also reminds me of my old Fireface where RME included a "saturation" option on one of the channels (can't remember the exact wording) and it was awful. I couldn't believe RME would include it even. Insulting, lol. I think RME needs to stick to its "german engineering" (the hardware quality and totalmix) and get some help with the musical side of things.
Yep - absolutely nitpicking - but probably a fair call.
There's really good reverb you can get from some very lightweight plugins.. --
You've also got heaps of hardware there -- so you could always setup a hardware chain with reverb but only record the dry signal (maybe not with an audient -- depends on the hardware reverb you are using ) -- but this is why I track with a A&H Zed R16 - with it's current 2nd hand pricing is actually a really good option for 16 converters with 16 really clean pre-amps..
(and here's where the RME Raydat comes into play ... with all the clock cleaning goodness of RME and just lower jitter on the pcie bus vs firewire - Firewire audio is not dead on Linux - Firewire will still be supported till 2029, but the RME just performs better - and if you already have a system with 16 channels of ADAT your'e laughing ) --
The AD conversion on the Zed R16 still punches high at 114 DB a-weighted .. only 2db lower than your UFX plus... GIven the death of Firewire on most platforms, the price on these have bottomed out and you can buy them for under 1,000 .. (When I bought mine it cost the same as it's modern day equivalent the SSL Big Six - both SSL and A&H are owned by AudioTonix - so you may have noticed that A&H have moved totally away from studio focussed gear while that's SSL's bread and butter - but the SSL Six and Big Six are also great options here - but more costly than a 2nd hand Zed R16 and Audient id44 - or even evo16)
The reverb, delay and eq needs updating fr 😂😂
I really don't get why any companies can't make a DSP that you can loaded with third-party plugins that you might be able to do via the HDX system, without having to get stuck in a eco system of one DAW, or get stuck with the companies own plugins like you do with the UAD or Antelope interfaces... even heritage audio now.
It really does feel like audio technology can be so far in the future while also being stuck in the dark ages.
The Oria from Audient has suddenly made the best Atmos interface while being infinitely cheaper than the competition that also will work if you just play Atmos or Apple Spatial Audio content on your computer and act then as a standard computer interface for it (just wish they offered e-arc hdmi out also so I could monitor on Atmos soundbars also as this will be a common home setup for most listening) and have no issues or work arounds, it just works.
I've seen companies make standalone plugin players before so why is it so hard to put plugin loading DSP into a interface?
Would be fantastic is RME had a shot at this because it would then be the most stable version of it.
I'm with you that it can be find to track through plugins until a track count is higher and most times you have another artist to record vocals, quite often the by the time it comes for their takes most of the track is done so of course it will be full.
Maybe there's a way of having a separate computer for recoding tracking into a project in a DAW on another computer?.. that seems convoluted to even think about.
RME for me, if you take away the need to have plugins on the inputs, are the best interfaces out there, but if they do not innovate soon they might get left behind by studio consistently recoding onto bigger tracks.
And with Atmos coming in fast they better start doing more.
I have used them before and back when nothing had DSP it was a god send for them to have plugins you could use not to commit to to help the artist hear themselves better... but, we are far from those days and not much innovation has happened unless a form of eco system herding.
It does seem also anyone that does make there system all inclusive will make all the other companies have to follow suit and it seems no one wants to be that black sheep yet and just go for it.
Even controller surface manufactures seem to be reluctant to let their control surfaces be easily universal, and the ones that are, are either a bit janky or have some way of herding you to a particular DAW at least, or with the SSL guys, let to map a controller but it make little sense with how they setup the controller.
Softube should be in development of allowing use to map our own plugins so that is good.
All these companies need to do is have a safeguarding algorithm that will say "this plugin maybe have trouble working properly in this DSP and so has been disabled" to protect from plugins messing up their DSP and giving them a bad name and pretty much the same for controllers any time that happens we can go to the specific plugin maker to ask them if they can make the plugin compatible.
It will at least give us a whole wealth of options other than to odd exception.
For RME to give better updated plugins for your issue, they could easily do that and offer it in a firmware update, so I hope they at least step up for current RME users.
I love RME.
If I was just doing mixing and mastering and only in stereo, I would be RME all the way.
I wouldn't say German Engineering equals quality. BMWs, Mercedes and Audis are notorious for being unreliable and ove complicate that breaks down all the time. They often turn into money pit machines after 5 years or so. Toyotas and Lexus often last longer. The Japanese really understands quality control given the help of Dr. Deming.
"The [RME] interface never gets in your way" As opposed to what interface that does? Most interfaces I've owned (MOTU, Focusrite, and others) never "got in the way" either
Not my experience, mostly due to poor drivers. Trust me I get asked a lot to help people with issues, yes sometimes it’s user errors, but as often it’s poor drivers. I could write a book about this. I agree Motu has a good reputation, but focusrite does not.
@@BarryJohnsI would buy that book in a heartbeat
Fancy table top you’re resting on! Is that one of your creations??
Yes it is!
I had an RME Fireface 800 10 years ago and to my experience, Total Mix was so unfriendly for my little brain, I thought I was just dumb. That's only when I sold it 6 years ago and bought and Apollo X4 that I realized I wasn't that dumb, it's just that RME sucks at making a user-friendly UI and workflow. I would be thinking of going back to RME if they would just get their sh!t together on that front.
If you watch my videos that I made on how to use total mix, I think you’ll change your mind. It is incredibly powerful. But like you said getting a basic understanding is not easy which is why I made the videos which make it easy.
@@BarryJohns At the moment I'm still satisfied with my Apollo X4 but if I ever decide to jump back into RME, I'll definitely watch them for sure. Thank you for doing this, it my sway some people into buying RME. Have you thought about repackaging them and selling them you videos?
Maybe RME should hire UA to make their plugins!
I agree. Their products are incredible, but their marketing/info is terrible! But i love them also for this, rme is an exclusive engineers club :D
ufx3er, there's really no reason you shouldn't be able to use a verb in the daw on an aux and route it back to some unused Madi channel or something. Personally I use an old pcm90 on the spdif ports for verb and it's the bomb for tracking, plus you can record/print those channel too. As for delay, there's a H9 in a couple analog channels and that's the bomb too. Comp/eq/auto level, I really like those as they are and think they work very well. But yeah, the verb in the rme is just kind of lame like most of the verbs in the daw.
For a second setup I use an old ff800 hooked up adat to an older Apollo and just use the Apollo for effect, delay send, reverb, and something like the eventide 910 or dim d. But the total for effects (guessing) 2300 for the Apollo and then maybe 100-200 each at the time for each effect.
Back to the verb and spdif, you could get some used tc unit or something and use it like my pcm90, and you might even have something lying around to do that with. Just some thoughts.
You are right, or they could just make it better like so many others have.
I totally agree that Totalmix is the most UN-intuitive piece of software I have ever used. Without your Totalmix videos I would have sold my Babyface pro
Some software are not for everyone. Totally mix if you look at it hardware Input, software output hardware out
It’s not that simple. It’s way more complicated if you use it to its ability. Which is why it’s so amazing.
Dear RME! Please make another REVERB!
and please give us 4-band EQ (on inputs) at least! PLEASE!
Do a Big Six review
Maybe!
Love RME but hate totalmix. Have 32 channels running, 16 for audio rest for cv gate and man I hate that software. Either I'm dumb or well...I just put the soundcard into DAW mode control and let Cubase sort it out.
Watch my videos, the link is in the description
its mor simple then you believe.....let me explain it on the quick way. Think exactly the opposite way when you route faders with totalmix.
It means. ....Choose first your Output Fader or Main Out, and the you push up the faders you need. then start again for the next fader and so on.....but go look Barrys Videos they are very good explained
1) NEW REVERB
2) 4 BAND EQ on inputs
(even if i lose ability to apply eq on some of MADI and other channels, it's okay. i think nobody applies 3band eqs on all channels, lol)
RME sucks with Marketing Videos and tutorials.....But Totalmix is so genuis ......better use it with arc usb remote, but like you said.....This Interface do all that, what i need on the highest quality without problems. I got the UFX 3 and i love it.so much but ......your right the reverb is and compression sucks........but the converter is better then UAD for me......and that was my point to go with RME, and i dont regret it. youre absolut on Point with your video Barry......but i have doubts if someone is interessted on what the community says.....they are very Oldschool German Engineers at RME and it means that they dont show anybody any emotion online or so.....They have to step up the Game......but without the problems...RME ROCKS damn hard
I saw many Broadcasts companies and Tv Shows and Rammstein concerts and Disney and so on ..... They all use RME's for transport Audio to all Corners where its needed
Honestly, I'd be afraid for them to touch it at the risk of making their units unstable. Not saying that it cant be done but im considering the risk vs the reward. I bought my UFX III for 1 reason, stability stability stability.
Ok, so here is the thing. I use the updated RME tech AVB e.g. Fireface AVB. There is no EQ of Reverb in those interfaces or tech. The AVB tool, 12Mic and M1610-Pro- If you have a modern computer (Apple Silicon) you get an extremely low latency, you will no be able to hear/feel the latency. AND by just pull in a reverb in your DAW you get the quality you need. It actually don't need to be in the interface anymore. Same with EQ and delay. Sorry man but your complaint is actually not so relevant. I have the same concern until I realised this. I have used RME since 2010, TotalMIX is not difficult either, but I have an engineering degree.
I speak about the challenges of using a plugins when doing and overdub in an intense session, which most of mine are. As far as TotalMix, read through the comments here and on my videos. It’s overwhelming.
nice man)
is it truly possible to use DAW input monitoring with RME setup without any pops\clicks\dropouts with a few plugins on insert in real time? 48khz\32 or 64 samples buffer\latest macbook pro or latest intelPC.
in real project with 30-40 vsti and 50-100 vsts (without any plugins on master)
is it possible to monitor in real mid-high classic project (80-100 tracks) without latency and pops? DAW realtime monitoring with plugins. ?
@@MrMukundas I use Cubase/Nuendo. there is a button that can skip vst with higher latency during recording. But you can also freeze tracks if needed while recording new tracks. That said, a H90 from Eventide is nice to have, then you get the processing you need in real time.
@@BarryJohns If you get problems, just use freeze some tracks. I use Cubase/Nuendo so in that DAW this is not a problem, Its way better then Logic and Pro Tools in utilising the CPU power on the machines. Good luck with your videos, but RMEs videos is fully understandable - at least for me.
@@asmundma thanks!
i know that freezing is a way to go) but it's compromise again))
what cpu do you use?
it's interesting for me to know
If you think Lynx Aurora makes the best products then why don't you just go with that? I use lynx and I don't even understand how RME software can be that complicated? Or why it would be complicated at all? 😔
You’d have to use TotalMix which is incredible but confusing until you learn it, which is why I did the videos. What I said was the Lynx Aurora was better at conversion, I used it with HDX. Frankly at this point, stability is the most important to me, as well as connectivity. I use MADI and ADAT. Madi is currently not an option for the LN version. I would have to buy a MADI to Dante converter. I also don’t like Dante.
uncle Barry , you're the whinging grandad of youtube 🎤
Nope, I’m the guy who is trying to make things better for all of us.
Another trait that is stereotypical of German engineers: stubbornness/arrogance (or perhaps a similar term along those lines)
Personally I couldn’t agree more. The videos are not friendly, despite being well produced, and doco is even worse , but I don’t think RME would ever acknowledge this , let alone address it.
I’ve been reading some forum posts recently while trying to figure out some totalmix functionality and the responses from RME staff are atrocious. “You’re doing it wrong”. “Read the manual.” “That doesn’t make sense why would you want to do this.”
They may be right in some cases but it’s such an anti customer attitude. It won’t change imo.
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