Ferrari F430 - Last of the V8 Manuals!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Is the Ferrari F430 the best manual supercar under £150k? James certainly thinks so as he takes this stunning Rosso Scuderia example for a drive.
An entirely new engine was developed for the F430, a 4.3 litre V8 producing 483 hp.
It has 4 valves per cylinder instead of the five there were in the 360 but it produces way more torque - 343lb ft compared with 275lb ft of old and it will rev to 8600rpm. All that grunt will get you from a standstill to 60 of 3.6 seconds.
Performance, practicality (sort of) and usability wrapped in a Pininfarina design, what more can you ask for?
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Fully agree to the summary made. As an F430 Spider owner I can confirm that this is one of the last analogue cars that is practical to use. I took it for a couple of long distance journeys through Europe without any issues. We noticed that this car is practical and can handle any circumstance: Autobahn, Central Europe mountain roads, heavy French coast driving, Italian cities... you name it; all without stress. That is my conclusion of a F430: confidence in whatever you do.
As an F430 owner I can tell you that is not the "sports exhaust", just the standard fit factory item. The sports exhaust is a completely different set up discarding the large central silencer for two separate smaller ones at the tail pipes.
Also the sports exhaust has much larger tail pipes in either polished stainless steel or stove enamelled matt black.
I thought sports exhausts are just Matt black? Not stainless steel or chrome finish?
The factory sports exhaust came in three different finishes
You forgot about the Aston’s. I have four of these all manual n.a. engines. 2013 V12Roadster (only 101 made), 2017 GT8 (only 150 made LGD and RHD) and two 2017 V12S (118 only in RHD). Do they fit in supercar list? Yes. Are they very useable? Yes. Are they rare? Yes. Are they desirable? Yes. Do they have the emotion and fun? Yes. So Aston’s should not be ignored. Grab the good ones before we all start humming around our roads. F430 is also one of the great ones👍🏻😎
And still my favourite Ferrari v8 with the engine in the boot.
I straight pipped mine.. the all-in-one no contest/ no BS/ no difficult decisions to making/ no dealing with aftermarket exhausts, solution. Best sound, easiest mod, cheapest fix AND LESS WEIGHT.. all wins, the only way to go.
F430 is a great looking machine
Totally agree. I’ve had all manner of lovely sports cars in my life and earlier this year bought a manual F430 with carbon buckets in silver with such low miles it was as new. It’s totally absorbing, with the Pavarotti engine singing along with every journey with perfect power/handing/size as if it was designed for UK roads. Hard to fault, beautiful to look at and wonderful to drive…peak Ferrari analogue?
Manuals are very cool, true. I owned a 92 348 and a manual 2001 360 for the last 18 years. I’ve developed some type of pain in my clutch leg/knee, so I now have a beautiful 08 Rosso Corsa F430 F1. Well, I actually really like this shifter. Mine shifts nice and crisp and smooth. I had my doubts early on whether I’d like it but now I’d rather have the F1 over a manual.
I am in the market for a (my first) Ferrari.... I have heard 9read) that the clutches on the F1 gearbox are very flimsy and expensive to repair/replace... Your comment on this?
@@Macedonia270 I don’t really have long term experience with an F1 system, having only owned mine for a year now. As you probably have, I did a lot of researching it before deciding to go ahead with it. Unfortunately, the info online is all over the place. Obviously it has a lot to do with how you drive it. Stop and go traffic will wear it out quicker. Backing up is hard on it. I’d get the clutch life measured before you buy, unless it’s been recently done. It is expensive. Where I live in Vancouver it seems to cost more than anywhere else I’ve ever heard, lucky for me.There’s a video on here “Ferrari F430 drifting and donuts”. Looks like the clutch must be pretty tough if it can handle what he’s doing to it.
Congrats on the 08 430! Did you end up selling the manual 360?
gt4 seems the smart choice for me but I think if you’re sticking to the definition supercar I’d go 360
I went half way and purchased an Alfa Romeo 4C Coupe as an exciting and good looking weekend car.
That has left me enough to consider a moderately priced fun performance-ish sedan/wagon as a daily.
Manual gallardo is cool too
I would get the F430 with the F1 gear box and save the extra cash for restoration/maintainance . Thats what I did haha.
me too❤
Agreed the F1 system is actually a bast and aggressive!
@@DoWorkExotics Depends what you want. ‘Aggressive’ is exactly why I don’t like two pedals supercars. I like driving to be a serene and absorbing process.
@@RobManser77 supercars should be aggressive though!
Great video, got me thinking now!
I own a few manual 360's and i have to say i absolutely love them. They sound much better than the 430. The 430 is faster and in some ways better, mostly mechanically, but the 360 is such a pure design. Maintenance is nothing to speak of either, they are a bullet proof car.
Frank Stevenson 🙌🏽
Amazing video ... Phenomenal automobile .. 😌👌
As an owner I obviously agree it's beautiful, effective and practical. But there are a few errors here.
No contemporary test got an F430 to 60 in 3.6 seconds; that's Scud/16M territory. Around 4 seconds is a good number.
The 113 manual cars quoted is a VOSA figure for just UK registrations. And there were also 110 UK manual Spiders. Ferrari hasn't published overall production numbers but I'm guessing something around the two thousand bracket world-wide, about 14% of total 430 production.
That's just the standard exhaust.
I understand a very small number of 458s and Californias were built with manual gear changes as special factory orders.
It's a personal thing but I've driven several manual and F1 cars, coupe and spider, and with my small feet the pedal positioning and weighting wasn't as good for heel-and-toe as older Ferraris like the 308 and F355. I found the F1 more satisfying to drive, and you get to take advantage of the millions of Euros they spent integrating the E-Diff with the transmission. On track it does make a noticeable difference, especially if you have one of the later 2008-09 cars that have improved software.
Oh, and if you really want to enjoy that engine, go for a Spider. It's on a whole different level, even wth the standard exhaust.
I am in the market for a (my first) Ferrari.... I have heard 9read) that the clutches on the F1 gearbox are very flimsy and expensive to repair/replace... Your comment on this?
@@Macedonia270 It depends how the car has been driven. Launch control is brutal on the clutch and can destroy it in as few as ten uses. That aside I have heard of people only getting 20k miles from a clutch but driven with some mechanical sympathy they last a lot longer. Despite several track days mine currently is projected to need changing at around 70k miles. The clutch only wears when it's slipping and the computer will only let it do that in 1st and reverse and at low speed. You can actually feel when it's slipping or fully engaged and it becomes natural to drive the car accordingly. Under hard acceleration a slight lift on up changes will also help unload the clutch. The F430 has better clutch software compared to earlier cars and cars from mid-2008 on have better programming again. The good news is that a Ferrari technician can interrogate the system to get its estimated clutch wear, so it is possible to see how it's doing. Incidentally, if the car has ceramic brakes (which I highly recommend) it will also record brake disc wear. But the CCB rotors generally last well over a 100k miles. Hope this helps.
Nice video and well shot. Just a couple of corrections, the a110 doesn't come with a manual gearbox, thats not the sports exhaust and approximately 1500 manual F430s were made
California was actually the last manual Ferrari available - literally only a handful were built though.
Literally they were in your hand??
Big fan of manuals and I was looking at a manual f430 but in this case I think the F1 transmission is the wiser choice, the car was originally designed for the F1 trans and as such all the manettino settings are calibrated to adjust clutch aggressiveness and shift times, the fact it is single clutch F1 also means you still get the satisfaction of correctly modulating the throttle and change (as you would do in a manual). The main reason tho is full throttle up shifts at 8.5k need to be experienced to be believed absolutely unreal!
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You are certainly right! When money is on the line, the decision making does not always align with your dreams but creates new ones!
Very good video, I had an F1 F430 but I replaced it for a manual 360. The manual F430 is actually way too expensive now (in Europe) for what it is, in my opinion. Its 140-180k€. And they always have very basic configurations like the one in the video. Red on black, no extras... I believe it's not worth twice the price of a very nice example of a manual 360. Other than that, a great car!
I have a manual 360 too red black, do you think it’s worth upgrading to manual f430 ?
I think you already answered that but I what I mean is how much more fun do you think it is ? Some people like 360 more and some f430 more, speaking of manuals mainly
Yeah a Manual 430 is about £110k over here in England. A 360 Manual can be had for about £60k. As an alternative an Audi R8 V10 manual is about £60k..🤔🤔
Things are worth exactly what someone else is willing to pay for it....
113 is for the UK only?
430 is an amazing drive, just brilliant
Is this the car that is also for sale by Performance Paddock?
Oh my gosh the Diablo
Wait, there are manual Alpine A110s?
How does a 2010 Audi R8 V10 manual with 518hp for about £60k grab you?
Manual for the win !
Is this the one that didn’t make reserve on the site previously ? Or am I thinking of something else ?
This one just went live today on CC
We sold an F430 Manual last week and now this is a different car that has just gone live!
@@collectingcars nice work !
First generation RWD Diablo for me thanks.
A 997.1/2 GT3/RS would be awesome for the task.
B7 RS4 Avant or E9X M3
F430 and F360 class of car is a super sports car
James: "It's the right size"
Also James: 13:17
I would hate to have to shift with my non dominant hand. Is everyone in the UK left hand dominant? LOL.
I have an F430 manual, which when I bought it, was cheaper than an F1. Apparently no one wanted a manual then. irrespective of the price difference these days, I still prefer a gated shift.
The F355 still beats everything else on Looks except maybe the F40.
Honestly what was this guy talking about for the first few minutes 😅
Great content mate, but the last V8 Ferrari manual was the California !
true!
The California had a manual?? Lol I never knew that, bit of a weird decision
@@salvi1398 why? all ferraris where manual until the california! only 3 california manuals were asked by customers. after that no new ferraris were offered manual.
the last manual ferrari sold was a 599 in 2012.
@ But I have a friend from Monaco who is a Ferrari FXX customer and he said that Ferrari is testing an aspirated V8 with a limit above 10000rpm with manual gearshift for 2022 or 2023, but it must be limited production!
@@MarcSob22 if that is true(lets hope so) the california is still the last v8 offered by ferrari with a manual because that hypothetical car you speak about is not available yet..
Sounds like you have some minor suspension creaking
Might need new ball joints
It’s the one car I won’t sell short of a carrera gt falling into my lap. The manual makes the car.
Maybe this or the same from the bull. Gallardo balboni manual.
WRONG! The last V8 manual Ferrari was California... Anyway, nice video!
He’s talking about mid engine cars, the California is front engine.
How about a manual Lamborghini Gallardo ?
Agree all manual cars are always a really low spec.
This one is almost bog standard.
No carbon internal or external, 360 spec steel brakes, basic seats,
If I had the money I would buy a 360 modena or the f430 manual. That’s it, no more super cars for me.
nice eyebrows
How is a Lotus Emira not a supercar if an F430 is? The only place the Emira falls short is it cost under 100k brand new, whereas of course F430 was 100k plus new. Otherwise the Emira is like a modern 360/430, supercar looks, 2 seater, mid-engine, manual, 400HP, 1458kg wet weight. The Emira has all the right ingredients, incredible looks, it just does not have the price tag or running cost, surely a good thing, why the Emira will be so damn good!
At over $500K it doesn’t check the box of not driving it to preserve its value. This is not a daily driver.
I missed how you got $500K. Are u saying USD? In the US, F1 trannys asking 100K to 150K while gated versiins are 190K to 250K. Quite reliable and probably the best deal on a Ferrari in this crazy twisted car market.
@@chenglo8999 correct. $500k Canadian. There’s an F1 tranny for sale by Dupont at $300k USD.
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Still wondering if a 911 or Cayman is a sports car or supercar…
911= grand touring
Cayman=sportscar
Gt models=exotic track cars
@@TheG60528XiJinPingInteresting. So what would you call the Aston Martin DBS?
@@danieldickson4656 a grand touring car
6:33 that sounds so cheap it hurts
Any Ferrari without the ability to take the roof off is waste of money. No one wants to drive down the Mediterranean coast and park the car in front of a nice restaurant somewhere in a coupe. Doesn’t make sense at all. A Ferrari is the expression of a special way of living. It looks like a foreign body as a coupe in GB ☔️
Manual transmissions are basically the ultimate fidget spinner.
If you want your wallet and bank account rogered then buy the F430. If you want a good reliable supercar that won't break down or break the bank, get an Audi R8 V8 manual, which is also about half the price of an F430. You know it makes sense...
Or even a R8 V10 manual for about £60k..
Yeah I agree that would be the right thing to do, if you think logically..... But it is not a Ferrari..... It is like marrying your reliable, sweet high school sweetheart (the right thing to do).... Or that flamboyant, wild beautiful exotic model/ stripper you met at a new years eve party that ended up lasting a week.....You know it is going to ruin you and probably break your heart.... But hey, we only live once....👀
@@Macedonia270 There is that I guess... 👍
Agree. I did that. And very happy.
I think you have summed up the choice in Italian vs. German supercar ownership. One is the logical safe pill the other is the emotion led passion pill. Both have their place depending on what you want from a car. Wouldn’t change my F355 for anything which interestingly hasn’t cost more to run annually than a friends 993.
Fake
Easily one of the ugliest Ferrari's, ever.
Not really, the new Ferraris are much uglier
I think its the best looking. Funny isn’t it