I'm looking forward to this! No matter who says that Christmas is now OK to keep, please know and understand that it isn't OK. Stay loyal and faithful to YHWH. Keep and celebrate what HE says to keep and celebrate.
@@Nevermind-ehHanukkah is not commanded it was invented by Judah, Jesus did not even go into the temple proper. Solomon’s porch held tens of thousands of people and was open to all including gentiles. He went at the time of Hanukkah not to celebrate it. He told them he was God. They were going to kill him. He left and crossed the Jordan. I believe it’s prophetic and maybe gives us a time stamp “Hanukkah” for events described in revelation, maybe the resumption of sacrifices
@@Nevermind-eh I believe that is what “maybe “ means. There are lots of references to end times in the Gods. I am looking into it though. Jesus was not celebrating Hanukkah though, that is clear ❤️
It’s mainly Torah women softening on Xmas. 🤔Thank you for speaking the truth and drawing a line. It is written vs I think, I want, I feel. Choose this day who you will serve.
Oh wow, I truly needed to see your comment today... Because I feel myself wanting to make memories with my children branching back into 'Babylon' because we're so isolated in Torah, but I will try harder to make another way. May YHWH bless you.
@@jawnatutorowWe can make our own memories at the feasts, and I hope YHWH is pleased with this...we started "Family Day" on our wedding anniversary and we celebrate the family Yah has given us, and we give each other gifts on that day. My kids love it that it is our special day to celebrate that we have each other. For us, its in July...so far removed from Christmas.
I deeply regret all the years of striving to make Christmas a warm, memorable time for my 5 children!! 😔 now most of them have children of their own and don’t understand my recent change of conviction on this. There is definitely a ‘spirit’ about it which does not easily let us go, and it’s NOT the Spirit of our Father. Praying that they will see through our example and truly test all things and hold to what is true. 💙 Thank you for sharing the Word on this topic 🙏🏼May the Father bless all of you for your faithfulness to continue fighting the good fight which Rob Skiba so fervently fought, along with many before him.
This was an awesome discussion! So much resonated with me AND gave me new perspective. I personally feel that the NT church has supported rebellion and a lack for a reverence for YAH. I remember going to my "Christian" husband in fear that we should NOT celebrate Christmas & Easter and being given excuses. I was in a mindset to "obey" my husband over the Holy Spirit. Praise Yah, years later, when we were unchurched he came to the same conclusion! No one else in my life feels the same.
I absolutely love this teaching. I have been the one who has had to draw the line in the sand. It has been very painful. My family doesn't understand. No matter what, they will not seek out the truth. I pray Abba will open there eye's to the truth. This conversation has given me so much clarification. Thank you so much, my brother's . Shalom
We were all there we understand the people still in these practices. The hard part is not being understood by the latter. That’s why not forsaking the fellowship and finding that, holding on to that is so invaluable. My wife who is agnostic has seen so much change in me this past year + coming out of Babylon and it’s definitely been rough on us both. Navigating the world while holding on to Yah’s truth is definitely not an easy task. Choosing to love and follow him first, that’s been the narrow path I’ll take. Praise Yah for the growth process ❤.
@@kennethgonzales3300 Praise YAH 🙌 Personal experience here- the longer on the path, the more confidence in it. His instructions truly are the law of liberty, as James stated. I think it was James, off the top of my head.😏
I needed to listen to this for the encouragement to do right. My children and grandchildren are in a big Christmas play at church today. They are expressing a lot of hurt and anger with me for not celebrating Christmas.
May God bless you abundantly for adhering to his word. Your situation is an extremely difficult one and I can both sympathize and empathize with you as I felt terribly torn when I passed on attending my granddaughter’s activities on the Sabbath. This year, I ‘ran away’ from Christmas in my hometown as I was so troubled about ‘being in this world but not of it’. I may not be able to actually escape it, but it IS so much easier, not being around all my family and seeing the goings on and/or asked to be a part of it. I chose instead, to go on an extended ‘vacation’ and do a personal Bible study on Hebrews which I am thoroughly enjoying. God has been so good to me. You are in my prayers ♥️🙏🏻
Excellent conversation. I've been emboldened this year, when people mention that they can't wait for Christmas to be over, to ask "Why are you doing it? We know it isn't his birthday, and we were told to remember his death until he comes,and that isn't even Easter, its Passover. Why do Christmas?" I don't know if it makes anyone think. I pray the spirit uses those words to convict others.
I agree with another commenter that christmas is mainly pushed by women. I think the reason for this is the emotional attachment to this holy day. It has a strong pull on those who are controlled by their emotions.
❤ SHALOM EVERYONE,,,, Thank YOU BROTHERS for this Awesome AWESOME study,,,, I will definitely SHARE IT,,,,,, I TRULY PRAY YAHUAH BLESSES YOU ALL,,,, 🙌🐑❤️🙌 SHALOM BELOVED BROTHERS ❤️
Could I dive a little deeper as well my brothers... we talk of pharmakakia.(sp?) Remember the medical but also food industry, we can also focus on the addictions to highly processed sugar and "goodies" that are not real food but makes us sick in body, with disease. Ha, Jake just talked about candies🤗 There is so much to "come out of." Blessings❤🕊🙏
@@faithhope2212 Parable has some good in depth studies on these matters. I’m sure I have the link saved somewhere. Search it in RUclips. Should pop up. Very in depth.
The Bible gives us the timeframe of Christ’s birth - it tells us when Mary was pregnant when she met her cousin while they were both pregnant - that timeframe of when her cousin’s husband was serving in the temple. The birth seems to line right up with the feast of tabernacles- Sukkot- Yah came to dwell with us
Sukkot is the his birth day. The 8th day is his circumcision. If anyone feels like celebrating his birth look for a week long celebration during Sukkot Feast. May YAHUAH indwell with each and every one of you. Shalom shalom beloved brethren, emissaries of YAH. Praaaise YAH!!!!!
At the end of all this discussion, it doesn’t matter what we think. It only matters what the Father says in His written word! He gave us 7 feast days to honor and keep, along with the 7 high sabbaths intermingled within the Kodesh days. NO EXCUSES!
Still in the midst of listening 19:22 Very many Christians do not know the history of the 12 Tribes which I believe is paramount and foundational to the origins of the covenant. However, the question I like to pose is show me just one scripture that tells us to celebrate Xmas.😮
This was a very motivating and reinforcing conversation! Thank you so much for tackling head on this spirit of allurement to “the love vibe” of the invented “holy-day”. Just this huge over focus on the romance of Yeshua’s birth, while conscious choices were made, earlier in the year, to remain disconnected from the Passover week. It’s so frustrating and heavily promoted. Thank you for going over all angles of the danger of compromise.
I admit the emotions behind compromise rings true about reaching out to those who may have lost Yah's way instead of self will in worship. We want unity among the brethren, but obedience to Messiah foremost. Our culture is biblically based with respect to Torah. Santa Clause is a pagan infiltration. How can we witness and keep Christ minded integrity to Yah? This is the conundrum I hope you enlighten us upon tonight as I listen for guidance. 💯🙏😳 Rachel
" Come out of her my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues " Rev.18:4. Xmas 🎄 🎅👹is a part of her . And also the name Jesus/ JZeus. " A bad tree does not bear good fruit "
And in the Webster 1828 dictionary elf is defined as the following... directly quoted. The elf seems to correspond to the demon of the Greeks. 1 - A wandering spirit; a fairy; a hobgoblin; an imaginary being which our rude ancestors supposed to inhabit unfrequented places, and in various ways to affect mankind. 2 - an evil spirit; a devil. 3 - a diminutive person.
It seems to me the Christmas celebration takes our king and high priest at the right hand of our creator in the heavenly kingdom and put him in a cradle as a human baby on earth and worship it
I don’t see a conundrum. It is not one of YHWH’s appointed times. We also do not see any of Yeshua’s disciples celebrating Christmas (nor Easter). Bottom line: do you serve YHWH or man?
I was very saddened when I called my mom today and heard someone tell her merry Christmas and she said it back 😢 she got mad when I asked her why she did that (she knows it’s not good). Pray for her please
I've been thinking about that. Many people claim Jesus celebrated Hannakuh, but the verse they use Shows Jesus in Jerusalem during Hannakuh, and he tells the crowd "“I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. --- If Jesus speaks for His Father, it would appear that His Father did not consider the Hannakuh Celebrators "His People".
I have been studying this for several years because I was celebrating Hannukah and felt conviction not to. First we need to have two or three witnesses to say that He was celebrating Hanukkah. Second He says not to add to or take away from His Word and Yeshua never sinned. Third the hannikiah is a nine branch which is adding to scripture. The middle candle in the hannikiah that is elevated above the rest is called the shamash. If you look it up it's the name of a pagan sun god 😢 There are three Hannukah's or dedications in The Old Testament. They are each seven days and not one of them was celebrated yearly. The "miracle of oil" is only found in the Talmud. There's no record of the apostles or disciples celebrating Purim or Hannukah. If they were so important wouldn't they tell us about them? If we truly believe that we can't add to or take away from His instructions how can we in good conscience celebrate Hannukah and Purim? We lose all creditability telling people not to celebrate the pagan days but then celebrate Hannukah and Purim. We create our own stories that it's in the Bible..... But MAN said to celebrate these.... How are we any different than the people celebrating xmas etc? Man told them to celebrate those days too. We have to decide if we are going to actually obey His instructions not to add to His Word or if we are going to be hypocritical and celebrate man made holidays and then point fingers at others telling them how wrong they are..... 😢😢😢
I heard someone say "Too many roll from the bed of the Pope right into the arms of a Rabbi" It's a funny illustration, but does seem strong in the Torah movement. I refrain from it because it makes for a weak witness. Its hard to advocate for the appointed Holy Days, step back from a tradition only to walk into another tradition. Even moreso, that many have turned into a blue and white Christmas. As for feast of dedication in John, it reads more as a time marker than participation. Additionally, he is rebuking the ones there as not doing the father's will and saying they are not of his fold and His sheep hear His voice. I would look at his presence there more as an opportunity of correcting error than participation, actually. Attendance and participation are two different words. That's my position anyway. 😁
Trying to understand what the name of the calendar was when Christmas was assigned to Dec 25th, and what year - then the winter solstice, I’m assuming. What year did that assignment occur?
@@smoothtwhThe first recorded Christmas is early 330AD during the reign of Constantine; a sun worshipper. The time of the winter solstice and its worship to the sun makes sense with this. Syncretism.
Look into the enoch,Hebrew calendar, in my channel, each month begins between 2 months on the gregorian Callender, nissan 1 is mid march/April, so on August/September is month 8 or nine, now when Mary was told by an angel that she would give birth to the savior, she went up with haste and went to see Elizabeth who was in her 6 month, Mary stayed 3 month,then went home, so where is the conclusion that sept is the time frame for his birth, why would the senses be set during the weather change,If the Sierra desert is cold after dark, i mean really cold all yr ,then their night time would be the same, am i wrong? The scriptures say the animals and shepherds were out, so how does that make sense? Anyway lets just say the Hebrew/enoch Callender is pretty close, do we know when Elizabeth became pregnant?if so then we would know when her six month was,therefore we could calculate from three months when he should be born ,giving room for the extra 1or 2 weeks of being a past due date. 💁♀️
Hannukah also has some questionable roots and certainly has evolved picking up its own fables along the way. As one teacher warned to not fall prey to... "many roll from the bed of the Pope into the arms of a Rabbi". This is very prevalent in the TO community. At this time, for our family, we do not celebrate Hanukkah. It makes for a weak witness and causes confusion when advocating for God's Appointed Holy Days. It's tearing down one tradition to pick up another. As Christmas has evolved, it seems Hanukkah has become a form of blue & white Christmas with fabled traditions. Many use John as "Jesus celebrated", but in reading the passages, It reads more as a time marker than participation. He is rebuking the ones there as not doing the father's will and saying they are not of his fold and His sheep hear His voice. I would look at his presence there more as an opportunity of correcting error than participation. Attendance and participation are two different words. A lot to reconcile, but always open to scriptural correction. 😁
Many will acknowledge that Christmas wasnt His birth, so even to continue, is saying with action, that we prefer the lie. Additionally, there is no evidence of the righteous celebrating their birth annually. This was prevelent in the nationa practice like Pharoah, Herod and possibly Job's son. All were seen negatively. According to Deuteronomy 12 we are commanded not to worship YHVH in the same manor as the nation. To continue in an ANNUAL birthday celebration of our Lord, you would have to prove His birthday was being celebrated PRIOR to the surrounding nations. To that, there is none. The gifts of the magi werent so much as a gift of birth, but rather acknowledging the king.
I keep the ten commandments and remembering to keep the 7th day Sabbath day Holy, in God’s strength as he commanded and the communion service of washing of the feet and partaking of the unleavened bread and unfermented juice. I do not take part in X-Mas, Easter, or the feasts. Jesus came as the lamb of God and we do not required to keep the feast. As you grow closer to God you will also find these things profane to You and God.
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I'm looking forward to this! No matter who says that Christmas is now OK to keep, please know and understand that it isn't OK. Stay loyal and faithful to YHWH. Keep and celebrate what HE says to keep and celebrate.
@@Nevermind-ehHanukkah is not commanded it was invented by Judah, Jesus did not even go into the temple proper. Solomon’s porch held tens of thousands of people and was open to all including gentiles. He went at the time of Hanukkah not to celebrate it. He told them he was God. They were going to kill him. He left and crossed the Jordan. I believe it’s prophetic and maybe gives us a time stamp “Hanukkah” for events described in revelation, maybe the resumption of sacrifices
@@Nevermind-eh I believe that is what “maybe “ means. There are lots of references to end times in the Gods. I am looking into it though. Jesus was not celebrating Hanukkah though, that is clear ❤️
@ and Jesus left the temple grounds and crossed the Jordan
@ exactly
@@johntandy8918in your opinion
It’s mainly Torah women softening on Xmas. 🤔Thank you for speaking the truth and drawing a line. It is written vs I think, I want, I feel. Choose this day who you will serve.
Brings back old memories of Eve being deceived in the garden.
Oh wow, I truly needed to see your comment today... Because I feel myself wanting to make memories with my children branching back into 'Babylon' because we're so isolated in Torah, but I will try harder to make another way. May YHWH bless you.
@@jawnatutorowWe can make our own memories at the feasts, and I hope YHWH is pleased with this...we started "Family Day" on our wedding anniversary and we celebrate the family Yah has given us, and we give each other gifts on that day. My kids love it that it is our special day to celebrate that we have each other. For us, its in July...so far removed from Christmas.
I deeply regret all the years of striving to make Christmas a warm, memorable time for my 5 children!! 😔 now most of them have children of their own and don’t understand my recent change of conviction on this. There is definitely a ‘spirit’ about it which does not easily let us go, and it’s NOT the Spirit of our Father. Praying that they will see through our example and truly test all things and hold to what is true. 💙
Thank you for sharing the Word on this topic 🙏🏼May the Father bless all of you for your faithfulness to continue fighting the good fight which Rob Skiba so fervently fought, along with many before him.
I have the same story and it pains me
This was an awesome discussion! So much resonated with me AND gave me new perspective. I personally feel that the NT church has supported rebellion and a lack for a reverence for YAH. I remember going to my "Christian" husband in fear that we should NOT celebrate Christmas & Easter and being given excuses. I was in a mindset to "obey" my husband over the Holy Spirit. Praise Yah, years later, when we were unchurched he came to the same conclusion! No one else in my life feels the same.
I absolutely love this teaching. I have been the one who has had to draw the line in the sand. It has been very painful. My family doesn't understand. No matter what, they will not seek out the truth. I pray Abba will open there eye's to the truth. This conversation has given me so much clarification. Thank you so much, my brother's . Shalom
We were all there we understand the people still in these practices. The hard part is not being understood by the latter. That’s why not forsaking the fellowship and finding that, holding on to that is so invaluable. My wife who is agnostic has seen so much change in me this past year + coming out of Babylon and it’s definitely been rough on us both. Navigating the world while holding on to Yah’s truth is definitely not an easy task. Choosing to love and follow him first, that’s been the narrow path I’ll take. Praise Yah for the growth process ❤.
@@kennethgonzales3300 Praise YAH 🙌 Personal experience here- the longer on the path, the more confidence in it. His instructions truly are the law of liberty, as James stated. I think it was James, off the top of my head.😏
I needed to listen to this for the encouragement to do right. My children and grandchildren are in a big Christmas play at church today. They are expressing a lot of hurt and anger with me for not celebrating Christmas.
@@BondservantofYah926 prayers brother. It’s definitely not easy.
May God bless you abundantly for adhering to his word. Your situation is an extremely difficult one and I can both sympathize and empathize with you as I felt terribly torn when I passed on attending my granddaughter’s activities on the Sabbath. This year, I ‘ran away’ from Christmas in my hometown as I was so troubled about ‘being in this world but not of it’. I may not be able to actually escape it, but it IS so much easier, not being around all my family and seeing the goings on and/or asked to be a part of it. I chose instead, to go on an extended ‘vacation’ and do a personal Bible study on Hebrews which I am thoroughly enjoying. God has been so good to me. You are in my prayers ♥️🙏🏻
Absolutely loved this discussion.
Excellent conversation. I've been emboldened this year, when people mention that they can't wait for Christmas to be over, to ask "Why are you doing it? We know it isn't his birthday, and we were told to remember his death until he comes,and that isn't even Easter, its Passover. Why do Christmas?" I don't know if it makes anyone think. I pray the spirit uses those words to convict others.
Praise the Most High! Blessed is He who comes in the name of Yahuah 🙏
I agree with another commenter that christmas is mainly pushed by women. I think the reason for this is the emotional attachment to this holy day. It has a strong pull on those who are controlled by their emotions.
Shalom. Thanks for putting this video discussion on Jake, Steve & Adam😊👏🙏
Thank You. Shalom in Yeshua Messiah 🕎
Enjoyed this podcast gentleman. Thank you ❤
❤ SHALOM EVERYONE,,,, Thank YOU BROTHERS for this Awesome AWESOME study,,,, I will definitely SHARE IT,,,,,,
I TRULY PRAY YAHUAH BLESSES YOU ALL,,,, 🙌🐑❤️🙌
SHALOM BELOVED BROTHERS ❤️
Thank you so much for this powerful teaching
23:54 My sister says “If we were back in early church times, Paul would be writing you a letter” lol
Always blessed by your teachings, Steve. Thank you!
Such a Huge Blessing !!!!
This is so cool! 3 of my favorite brothers in same room, love it!!
Complaint ... just now seeing, my alert bell did not go off.🙄
Same here. Watching it now.
Could I dive a little deeper as well my brothers... we talk of pharmakakia.(sp?) Remember the medical but also food industry, we can also focus on the addictions to highly processed sugar and "goodies" that are not real food but makes us sick in body, with disease. Ha, Jake just talked about candies🤗 There is so much to "come out of." Blessings❤🕊🙏
Revelations of Jesus Christ channel has a documentary about sugar. Its really good.
@Ranched-lp3nr 🙏🕊
Tough one for sure
@@faithhope2212 Parable has some good in depth studies on these matters. I’m sure I have the link saved somewhere. Search it in RUclips. Should pop up. Very in depth.
@@Sam-and-Ani-loveYAH truly🕊
The Bible gives us the timeframe of Christ’s birth - it tells us when Mary was pregnant when she met her cousin while they were both pregnant - that timeframe of when her cousin’s husband was serving in the temple. The birth seems to line right up with the feast of tabernacles- Sukkot- Yah came to dwell with us
Sukkot is the his birth day. The 8th day is his circumcision. If anyone feels like celebrating his birth look for a week long celebration during Sukkot Feast. May YAHUAH indwell with each and every one of you. Shalom shalom beloved brethren, emissaries of YAH. Praaaise YAH!!!!!
No. His birthday is 1 Nissan.
Excellent discussion my brothers. HalleluYAH!!! YAH bless!!!!
Excellent points made here, thank you!
I just found your channel and Torah Family as well, very grateful and I believe the Lord led me to you.
At the end of all this discussion, it doesn’t matter what we think. It only matters what the Father says in His written word! He gave us 7 feast days to honor and keep, along with the 7 high sabbaths intermingled within the Kodesh days. NO EXCUSES!
Still in the midst of listening 19:22 Very many Christians do not know the history of the 12 Tribes which I believe is paramount and foundational to the origins of the covenant. However, the question I like to pose is show me just one scripture that tells us to celebrate Xmas.😮
Well done brothers. Great discussion. Shalom.
This was a very motivating and reinforcing conversation! Thank you so much for tackling head on this spirit of allurement to “the love vibe” of the invented “holy-day”.
Just this huge over focus on the romance of Yeshua’s birth, while conscious choices were made, earlier in the year, to remain disconnected from the Passover week. It’s so frustrating and heavily promoted. Thank you for going over all angles of the danger of compromise.
I admit the emotions behind compromise rings true about reaching out to those who may have lost Yah's way instead of self will in worship. We want unity among the brethren, but obedience to Messiah foremost. Our culture is biblically based with respect to Torah. Santa Clause is a pagan infiltration. How can we witness and keep Christ minded integrity to Yah? This is the conundrum I hope you enlighten us upon tonight as I listen for guidance. 💯🙏😳 Rachel
Always pray first .... amien
" Come out of her my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues " Rev.18:4. Xmas 🎄 🎅👹is a part of her . And also the name Jesus/ JZeus. " A bad tree does not bear good fruit "
Have you heard Jé Sus means earth pig in latin!?!... Why would He want to be called by an unclean animal!?! Also, the letter J is only 500 years old.
“Old Nick” defines in dictionary as “The Devil”
And in the Webster 1828 dictionary elf is defined as the following... directly quoted.
The elf seems to correspond to the demon of the Greeks.
1 - A wandering spirit; a fairy; a hobgoblin; an imaginary being which our rude ancestors supposed to inhabit unfrequented places, and in various ways to affect mankind.
2 - an evil spirit; a devil.
3 - a diminutive person.
It seems to me the Christmas celebration takes our king and high priest at the right hand of our creator in the heavenly kingdom and put him in a cradle as a human baby on earth and worship it
What about Hanukkah this year on the same day as Christmas?
Historically, Yahshua was conceived during Hanukah and born during Sukkot! Let's celebrate YAHs Holy days!
I don’t see a conundrum. It is not one of YHWH’s appointed times. We also do not see any of Yeshua’s disciples celebrating Christmas (nor Easter). Bottom line: do you serve YHWH or man?
I have a friend who is a minister and he justifies celebrating christmas saying it is when Jesus was concieved
Can you share the link to the podcast?
I was very saddened when I called my mom today and heard someone tell her merry Christmas and she said it back 😢 she got mad when I asked her why she did that (she knows it’s not good). Pray for her please
Well, Hanakah is not a commanded Celebration.. Nor is Purim..... So do we as believers ignore these as well?
Yes, ignore these as well
I've been thinking about that. Many people claim Jesus celebrated Hannakuh, but the verse they use Shows Jesus in Jerusalem during Hannakuh, and he tells the crowd "“I told you, and you
do not believe.
The works that I do in my Father’s name
bear witness about me,
26 but you do not
believe because you are not among my
sheep.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know
them, and they
follow me.
---
If Jesus speaks for His Father, it would appear that His Father did not consider the Hannakuh Celebrators "His People".
I have been studying this for several years because I was celebrating Hannukah and felt conviction not to. First we need to have two or three witnesses to say that He was celebrating Hanukkah. Second He says not to add to or take away from His Word and Yeshua never sinned. Third the hannikiah is a nine branch which is adding to scripture. The middle candle in the hannikiah that is elevated above the rest is called the shamash. If you look it up it's the name of a pagan sun god 😢 There are three Hannukah's or dedications in The Old Testament. They are each seven days and not one of them was celebrated yearly. The "miracle of oil" is only found in the Talmud. There's no record of the apostles or disciples celebrating Purim or Hannukah. If they were so important wouldn't they tell us about them? If we truly believe that we can't add to or take away from His instructions how can we in good conscience celebrate Hannukah and Purim? We lose all creditability telling people not to celebrate the pagan days but then celebrate Hannukah and Purim. We create our own stories that it's in the Bible..... But MAN said to celebrate these.... How are we any different than the people celebrating xmas etc? Man told them to celebrate those days too. We have to decide if we are going to actually obey His instructions not to add to His Word or if we are going to be hypocritical and celebrate man made holidays and then point fingers at others telling them how wrong they are..... 😢😢😢
@@Loveyourneighbor1 I saw this too😢
I heard someone say "Too many roll from the bed of the Pope right into the arms of a Rabbi" It's a funny illustration, but does seem strong in the Torah movement.
I refrain from it because it makes for a weak witness. Its hard to advocate for the appointed Holy Days, step back from a tradition only to walk into another tradition. Even moreso, that many have turned into a blue and white Christmas.
As for feast of dedication in John, it reads more as a time marker than participation. Additionally, he is rebuking the ones there as not doing the father's will and saying they are not of his fold and His sheep hear His voice. I would look at his presence there more as an opportunity of correcting error than participation, actually.
Attendance and participation are two different words.
That's my position anyway. 😁
Trying to understand what the name of the calendar was when Christmas was assigned to Dec 25th, and what year - then the winter solstice, I’m assuming. What year did that assignment occur?
Roman Emperor 200 something or 300 something.
@@smoothtwhThe first recorded Christmas is early 330AD during the reign of Constantine; a sun worshipper. The time of the winter solstice and its worship to the sun makes sense with this. Syncretism.
Look into the enoch,Hebrew calendar, in my channel, each month begins between 2 months on the gregorian Callender, nissan 1 is mid march/April, so on August/September is month 8 or nine, now when Mary was told by an angel that she would give birth to the savior, she went up with haste and went to see Elizabeth who was in her 6 month, Mary stayed 3 month,then went home, so where is the conclusion that sept is the time frame for his birth, why would the senses be set during the weather change,If the Sierra desert is cold after dark, i mean really cold all yr ,then their night time would be the same, am i wrong?
The scriptures say the animals and shepherds were out, so how does that make sense?
Anyway lets just say the Hebrew/enoch Callender is pretty close, do we know when Elizabeth became pregnant?if so then we would know when her six month was,therefore we could calculate from three months when he should be born ,giving room for the extra 1or 2 weeks of being a past due date. 💁♀️
Great discussion! With all due respect... Je sus does not exist. The letter J is only 500 years old. The Only true Messiah is Yahusha (Yah delivers)
When I was little people called me Cheri, now they call me Cheryl my given name, I still respond to both.
Hannukah also has some questionable roots and certainly has evolved picking up its own fables along the way.
As one teacher warned to not fall prey to... "many roll from the bed of the Pope into the arms of a Rabbi".
This is very prevalent in the TO community.
At this time, for our family, we do not celebrate Hanukkah. It makes for a weak witness and causes confusion when advocating for God's Appointed Holy Days. It's tearing down one tradition to pick up another. As Christmas has evolved, it seems Hanukkah has become a form of blue & white Christmas with fabled traditions. Many use John as "Jesus celebrated", but in reading the passages, It reads more as a time marker than participation. He is rebuking the ones there as not doing the father's will and saying they are not of his fold and His sheep hear His voice. I would look at his presence there more as an opportunity of correcting error than participation. Attendance and participation are two different words. A lot to reconcile, but always open to scriptural correction. 😁
???? unto us a child is born ...unto us a child is given ... is this YESHUA JESUS ???
You have an echo sounding. This is rather unpleasant for elderly ears!! 😟
Many will acknowledge that Christmas wasnt His birth, so even to continue, is saying with action, that we prefer the lie.
Additionally, there is no evidence of the righteous celebrating their birth annually. This was prevelent in the nationa practice like Pharoah, Herod and possibly Job's son. All were seen negatively. According to Deuteronomy 12 we are commanded not to worship YHVH in the same manor as the nation. To continue in an ANNUAL birthday celebration of our Lord, you would have to prove His birthday was being celebrated PRIOR to the surrounding nations. To that, there is none. The gifts of the magi werent so much as a gift of birth, but rather acknowledging the king.
I keep the ten commandments and remembering to keep the 7th day Sabbath day Holy, in God’s strength as he commanded and the communion service of washing of the feet and partaking of the unleavened bread and unfermented juice. I do not take part in X-Mas, Easter, or the feasts. Jesus came as the lamb of God and we do not required to keep the feast. As you grow closer to God you will also find these things profane to You and God.
Can you please show the scripture that we are not to observe YA’s appointed times?
All the feasts have forever for all your generations.
The Jesus skit told me enough to want to stop watching. The message is important, but the eexecution ... oy!
It was cringe and I think the host regretted it. Watch it some more. It’s very good.