Tekken 7 is HARD...but learning doesn't have to be!
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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Max's long awaited return to Tekken 7 comes with some growing pains, as he tries to regain some muscle memory and a few go-to combos that he can make use of in matches!
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So much respect for Max really grinding it out and learning after three years of inactivity.
Why inactive?, just want to know
@@ourdailymeat cause he's a variety fighting game streamer and a husband and a father and there is only 24 hours in the day
@@toberone5158 i see, i thought he didn't like tekken
@@ourdailymeat he also hated the delay based net code
@@ourdailymeat He didnt like the bad netcode, but he's knows it a little better now. Theres lots of games he likes but doesn't really play for the internet
This is the one fighting game franchise where i love the challenge when trying to learn how to play it, learning all the characters is so fun in here :)
I recently got into it. I tried some characters here and there and was getting destroyed in Casual and Ranked. Until I was reintroduced to King (I used to play Tekken 2 with my dad). And I've been learning to do throws and combos with him and I've been starting to win some matches. Almost made Initiate rank this past weekend.
@@centuronstar8688 don't get used to spam throws on lower levels or you're gonna get destroyed on intermediate.
@@obi-wankenabo6475 let's be honest, throws are hardly broken even in high intermediate level, the only guys who can break throws consistently online are legacy players and people who played a lot of time practicing with good reactions.
He doesn't have to worry about throws being useless anytime soon.
@@oshiko35P Agree 100%
@@oshiko35P lol people who pass the beginner barrier are fewer than people think, tekken difficulty is not for everyone. And when you sit on intermediate you just want to polish your game on everything you can, starting with not falling again on mecanics abusable by beginners like throws, at least the basics. Specially against King because knowing how to break throws is half the match. Not saying that a yellow ranker is gonna break 10/10 throws (not counting the large amount of legacy players smurfs of course) but is gonna be increasingly difficult as he climbs, so he shouldn't rely on that too much.
I always loved how the S1 Pass characters are Noctis and G. Howard
One character is great for those looking to get into Tekken, the other for those looking to dedicate themselves to Tekken.
Agree with max. I know what the combo looked like but none of the buttons
And I always loved how you could just put a file in your Tekken Folder and it automatically just assumes you have all DLC. Feel like that's a hidden game changer for poor fellas that want to stay up to snuff.
@@hiiambarney4489 that's not a hidden game changer that's called piracy
@@hiiambarney4489 Yeah uh that's literally called piracy. If you think that is an intentional feature you're out of your mind.
@@hiiambarney4489 That's useful to know. Not in a "get all the DLC for free" way but a "I hate that the game doesn't have Vs CPU and might just rebuy the game on PC to get the mode via mods but don't want to rebuy the DLC I already got on PS4" way.
What I love about T7 is that, during a match, I remember my BnB and standard stuff, but then remember a random move I have and be like “Oh, I have that move” and just use the move. It almost always hits xD
i recall reading somewhere that tekken is about using your good moves to deal damage and using the shitty ones to throw off and open up the opponent and honestly i couldn’t agree more
The further along we get with the Tekken series the more and more I appreciate getting in with Tekken 2. I can't imagine trying to learn Tekken NOW as opposed to having the years of experience from back in the day like a lot of us have.
It's my case actually. The number of moves and button-combos was too much for me so I picked up akuma
I feel guilty tho lmao
@Marcos A I'm literally the same as you
Mashing in tekken 3 as a kid and started watching the competitive community in 2018
@Marcos A same with me! Just started 2 weeks ago.
I truly believe to get good at Tekken you need to have been playing - AT LEAST - the version before. I started at the exact tail end of T6, moved on to TT2......and just sucked for like the whole time TT2 was out 🤣, because I had to learn all the movesets and matchups in a game where you need to be pretty good with two characters. When T7 came out, and they changed the mechanics to make it a little easier for newer players, I was finally competent and understood the way the game had to be played. It was a steep AF learning curve, but I can't go back to Street Fighter or 2D after getting into Tekken.
@@Joneshing dude I damn near dropped Tekken entirely when 7 came out because I had neither Julia or Michelle available to me and I didn’t know what to do.
It's actually not called "Demo Man" They call it "Emo Man" for Noctis lol
I love how that somehow became the official community name for it
He's not even emo tbf but i can see why people would think that xD
@@EggscellentTree yeah he has the look but he's farrr from emo
About a year ago for the first time I was like “I’m gonna sit down and learn this.” And played it a month straight and it was super fun lol I’m still not great but being at least familiar with it is pretty satisfying on its own
I’m still in green ranks and i have like 150 hours on the game, but man is this game satisfying and rewarding to play.
it took me 2 years to learn how to use jin and even after this i tried bryan and it felt like im playing a completely new game and this is why i love tekken
Crazy how the flagship character ( at least he was up to 6) is the hardest to learn haha. I swear I remember Jin always being difficult to use even when I started with Tekken 3.
My favorite is Steve. And it's so difficult having him as my main. I always find myself kicking air trying to dash in when I play Law or Heihachi.
I think one of the most fun things about Tekken when you become more comfortable is judging wall distance and utilizing unorthodox wall carry options/setups at the wall. Like guides will show you what your wall carry options are and your wall combos, but sometimes using an uncommon option or tech traps is super fun when you can make it work. Getting off the ground and knowing what to do at the wall in Tekken are their own worlds to learn.
Thanks or being awesome Max, best of wishes to you and yours! ♥
Watching Max getting hype from nowhere and chat trying to stop his fun was the highlight he was in Learning Mode followed by "SHUT UP CHAT" lmao
Tekken 7 one of the best fighting games ever to come good to see max learning this game again
I’m all here for Max actually diving deep into Tekken 7 this game became my favorite fighter overtime because of its complexity every round feels different from the last
Jesus does Noctis look freaking sick in this. I've only played a bit of the the FFXV demo but he looks ten times better than in his own game here.
Even though I love ff15, I gotta agree lol.
He surprisingly looks REAL good, they really did a great job with him.
And then you have Neegan.. and that’s a different story lmao
@@gdadder Negan looks good imo, but yeah. Translating a real-life character into a stylized game doesn't often works, but for what it is, Negan looks good.
Just rewatched his tekken stream from yesterday and it was fun to seeing the learning process. I played tekken casually with friends growing up but I tried to pick up Tekken 7 a month ago and every online match something new is learned. It is pretty fun when the netcode is good.
I agree with this so hard. I started playing street fighter 5 for the first time last week and it felt so impenetrable because of how I was getting destroyed. But after playing tekken 7 story mode and messing with training a bit I was already ready to play online and wasn't just getting destroyed. It's learning curve is perfect for how hard the game is.
I'm so happy he's starting to learn this just as I get back into it. Can learn side by side hopefully I pick up some new stuff
I love Max’ schematic approach to learning the game. Makes a lot of sense in T7.
Been playing Tekken literally my entire 27 year life, it’s still fun learning new characters.
Played some Lili earlier after watching your stream. Haven't played in 4 years but it all came back...it can be done!
Love u max, keep doing what you’re doing.
Just think of 8 way run in soul caliber but use that for every button press and then when things feel good make combos up that work for you and then you'll just regularly use them in matches . I jumped back on in t5 Dr in the arcade and ever since its been buttery
Even Max nearly got caught in the combo vortex. Practicing combos in this game can be so addicting!
Great video Max!
I've got some small tips for you regarding Tekken.
The most important things in tekken are: Punishment, Movement, Wiff punishment and Mathcup knowledge. (duh)
Knowing how to punish things correctly will automatically give you high Ranking online, but this needs frame knowledge and MU knowledge.
The "easy" way to practice punishment in Tekken , is to go to the punishment traning in practice mode.
Sidestepping
Choosing to sidestep/Swalk in neutral can sometimes be more rewarding than keep out moves .
Regarding when to sidestep, you can side-step block (tap up/down then quickly hold back) from -+0 to -4 frames, example if you do a df1 on a blocking opponent, which is usually -3 on block,
You can side-step block from this situation, people will sometimes try to retaliate with a fast move, ex jab in this situation, but the jab will wiff because you are side stepping, and fast moves are usually super linear, so this gives you the opportunity to wiff punish fast retaliation with your own i10 to i15 frame punish, depending on the retaliation move.
You can also sidewalk (double tap up/down then hold) in this situation to create a bigger wiff , but is a bit more risky because you are not blocking.
When you are in range of -+0 to -4 frames you can do Side step block, sidewalk or backdash, to create space to make your opponent wiff.
In some certain matchups, you will want to do Side step duck (tap up/down then hold db), or backdash duck (b,b, db). This shit goes deep bro.
Also be careful in ranked, some might try to mash buttons when they are at -6 to -9 disadvantage, if you have trouble against random button mashing, check them with a df1 to keep them honest.
I hope this helps, i apologize if it was too much info, this is Tekken.
Looking forward to see more of your Tekken journey!
Cheers Bro.
A side note: db2 to f1+2 is a fun setup :), and d2 is an amazing low poke, it can't be parried beacuse its a weapon, but is -15 on block, if your d2 gets blocket often use db3 instead.
Tekken Tag soundtrack is awesome.
That TTT music is nostalgic af
Tekken is super fun to learn, u learn something every match so it never feels like u aren't progressing in somme way.
It's fun watching max go back to tekken I hope it goes back to dbzf to seeing him get good at these games again
I love it that Max is back to Tekken right now. I've always loved his older T7 videos, since this is my personal main fighting game. Keep em coming Max!
Great to see more Tekken! Keep the Tekken content coming
"Ignore that I called him Cloud."
No, sir, I don't think I'll do that.
Thank you for returning to Tekken, Max. I used to only play Asuka because of how straightforward and easy to execute her moves are. But I have recently been challenging myself and experimenting with the rest of the cast. I feel like I have been missing out on a lot of great talent in the roster - Lili and Josie have especially been awesome to play, personally.
If you like Asuka, try Bob. He's fun, fast, hits hard, and also still pretty straightforward.
I’m like 50 hours into my first Tekken 7 experience and almost all of those hours was spent studying Yoshimitsu and playing against one or two of my friends, lol. Tried matchmaking for the first time and got up to 3rd dan but eventually went back down to 1st; you bet I rematched every opponent no matter how much better they were than me! Looking forward to the grind, as there’s just always so much to improve upon. Yoshimitsu doesn’t seem very beginner friendly at all, but I’d rather main someone I really like.
Good luck!
Pretty much same here, only 10 hours in and playing Armor King. While the game is really hard, it's surprisingly fun
See you, Space Ninja
It's so worth maining someone you like. I main Jin and had to deal with the whole "Mishimas are harder" stuff when starting out, but it's so rewarding and helps you stick with the game playing someone you think is cool
I just started trying to learn Tekken from square one as well. It’s hard but fun.
Back to some good ass Tekken
green ass tekken
My last Tekken was TT2 and now here I am lost AF preparing for T8😂
Having so much fun though, the community is pretty supportive.
Maximilian using one character that isn’t tekken character
Thanks for bringing the max cartoons for the thumbnails
Is not while rising, is while standing. WR is for while running moves. Nice to see you back to Tekken dude 🔥
We love these tekken videos !!
You're right, it doesn't have to be hard to learn, but somehow Tekken saw steady growth for years despite it being hostile to new players. They show you 8 different stats that you don't care about, but they won't put characters' names on the screen in online multiplayer, so you can't even internalize which anime lady it was that beat you. There's no tutorial, and I had to figure out that highs/lows work the opposite of how they work in most fighting games I play from a load screen tip. Frame data is sold separately, and the netcode sucks. I'm not sure how this game got the following it did with this many roadblocks in the way; personally, I put it down.
Because the game is simply fun to play even if you're not good. Plus the customization and guest characters brought people into Tekken 7. Akuma alone got people into the game.
The Guy just practice and already Do a death combo , talented . This is Nice Max
I recently returned to Tekken to actually learn it.
I'm in between Eliza, Ling Xiaoyu and maybe Dragonov.
It's not going well as trying to remember those inputs are a pain. But I do have my handy dandy PSP to learn some stuff while away from home(like that will make a difference....)
a fellow T6 PSP player?!?!?!?!
also, T6 is very different compared to T7 tho.
@@RenShinomiya121 well, I'm more of a dark resurrection fan over 6, but I do have 6. Also while 6 is different from 7, the inputs for the characters aren't really so I'm sure I can figure SOMETHING out. Even if it's a basic bitch combo.
For mish-mash sidestep/walk to your characters left.. and punish hell sweep
Thanks for giving Tekken more love Max. :)
Which Tekken Returning Character would you like to see in Tekken 8 for me The Original Wesley Snipes Raven and Bruce Irvin
My god the tekken tag ost is simply divine
My favorite game series of all time! I’ve been playing since it hit PSONE. Completely obsessed with Tekken.
I can’t wait for Tekken 8
gonna pick up Tekken 7 when it goes on sale next, looks fun
I remember enjoying Tekken 7, learning the basic mechanics of the system, picking up a few flashy combos, going back and forth with some friends. all in all a great time. Then another friend started playing King, and no matter how long I tried I just could not wrap my head around spotting which grabs required which buttons to tech. I got broken by RDC. I hope tekken 8 is as fun as tekken 7 but with simpler grab tech so smooth brains like myself can enjoy it.
tbh Tekken 7 is one of the most populated fighting games on steam in general, usually has double the population of SFV and MK11, even before the patch, which is impressive when you consider it's age
I'm loving these Tekken Tag soundtracks in the back, assuming I'm not mistaken.
Tekken can be fun when playing a friend
But i really cannot wrap my head around it
I mastered street fighter and pretty good at guilty gear but that doesn't help me one bit in tekken maybe with akuma fadc combos but that's pretty much it
Everything in it from whiff punishing to combos to even just blocking its very daunting
The neutral is veryyy diffrent too
Yea they’re definitely two different skill sets.
For example, I grew up playing Tekken and coming from 3D, Street Fighter is 10x harder for me.
Korean backdashing, wavedashing, and electrics? Wayyy easier for me to do than the basic links and combos in SF. The timing feels insane, and the air dashing in Guilty Gear felt so alien to me as well.
I’ve been making the effort to learn them tho. I hope once Tekken 8 comes around you give it another try! It can be extremely rewarding and there’s gonna be a huge wave of new players to learn with too.
@@goodusermaadinternet6774 the wallbounces and stage breaking floor juggles look insane to me that's the soul reason i wanted to give tekken a go but
Going to the command list and scrolling got me like
Nah man i'am good
I can typically get a pretty good grip on fighting games, but I’ll be damned if learning tekken hasn’t been the most challenging thing I’ve ever done in a game. There’s so much nuance to it and I never understand quite what I’m doing right or wrong most times, it can be a bit frustrating. It’s fun but I do wish I had a better grip on it mechanically to understand exactly what’s happening
I used to play ranked and up to around yellow orange ranks depending on the character you could end up higher from here but I believe that's around the ranks people know matchups and don't just get caught by launchers and hellsweeps you know the cheap stuff, I remember always fighting this one paul who literally would gatekeep me from my ranks ups and a hwoarang who had some sick movements would literally Jab me and run the whole time block everything tech all my grabs it was very frustrating but definitely showed me that my movement was not polished I had the consistency in my punishes but they're not worth much if there's nothing to punish
I just learned my very first tekken 7 combo this morning! I decided to play Claudio. Looking to learn the basics, I'm more of a 2d player but I just want some more knowledge, broaden my taste.
Man this is really making me wanna get into Tekken but I'm not sure if being a new player this late into the game's lifespan is a good idea especially since I'm a novice at fighting games
Hey, maybe Tekken 8 will finally feature some form of tutorial and a fresh set of characters built for newcomers.
Super happy Max is getting into Tekken
I literally bought tekken a couple of weeks ago on sale. Can’t decide on a damn main . Last one I played was t3 as a kid just mashing buttons. I would use king, hwo, law, or eddy (they all seemed cool to me as a kid).
But now it’s like ohhh kazuya is dope, jin actually isn’t a tool, king with a badass outfit? AK it is, shit eddy is still dope, black kung fu sign me up, huh.. Paul isn’t a tool either. Really can’t decide on a single one 😂 they all look cool, and I like all their play styles. I’m leaning towards kazuya, jin, eddy and AK the most though.
Problem is I’m just stuck in training mode bouncing between them not really learning a single character that well yet 😂
That can be a real problem with most fighting games I get into as well. I'll wind up never settling in on a main so it takes me forever to establish good fundamentals, the muscle memory for combos and punishes, match-up knowledge, etc with any one of them. Luckily with Tekken I have stuck with Miguel for a good while now along with both of the Kings because I love hybrid striker/grappler characters.
Tekken got me hooked since season 2.
I just wanna say that Max was one of the reasons I got into Tekken 7 3 years ago. It becomes my favorite fg now.
My rank is way higher than Max now, but I still enjoy watching Max figuring stuff out. Keep it up Max!
it is nice to see max playing this game again I hope others learn from this and pick it up too cause it is in my opinion among the most fun fighting games without having to learn to much
i am so down to watch Max learn this game ... although, id like to see Max pick up a Tekken character as opposed to a guest!
It'd be cool to watch you watch a combo video, and do the combos that you see in the video
I fell in love with Steve, just the Fox doing things
Tekken is one of the hardest games you can learn. But the payout and practice is worth it! Tekken is a game that has sooo much history the real fighting game players always come back to Tekken.
Finally MAX! Let’s GOO
Tried playing right before the update, but had trouble finding matches. I'll have to give it another try
Ive been playing tekken since 3 but got really into it when 4 came out and at base level its still the same game that it was 30 years ago but because of how complex it has become youre forced to actually learn and "train" if you wanna even be decently good which I appreciate because it keeps the button mashers away. But ive noticed that a seasoned veteran like myself who knows certain combos but the the lengthy strings and advanced movement skills can still have an advantage on hardcore tekken gamers because they expect to be fighting somene of that same caliber and expect them to know the advanced skills and when they dont it throws them off and you get the potential win
Love this
11:30 Kazuya: (Screams like Goofy) "YAAAAAAAH-HUUUU-HUUUU HUUUUWHEEEEE!!"
For usual you can do the same stuff after uf2 as after df2, i mean: df4,uf3,222... you don't need the df1+2 screw after the orbital
As long as you dodge wifi players and play +4 bars the connections are mostly good actually!
I bought this a second time yesterday, I have this for PS4 but I got it for PC. I am on Arch Linux though and I Just got my PS4-controller to work after much efforts from my end(I am used to troubleshooting Linux). Can't wait to play it for real now! I've been playing Tekken since the very first one in the mid 90's, since every iteration changes balance,moves and much more I suck even worse now lol xD. I am pretty terrible at this game, which Im gonna try to remedy!
definitely gonna be watching max learn Tekken!
edit: took me a good 3 years to be decent at the game. still struggle with match up knowledge as I hate delving into the practice mode vortex.
what's best in playing Tekken is if you think you forgot a character or there is a character you haven't play in a very long time but have tried to memorized their movesets, your muscle memory kicks in like Ultra Instinct.
I want to get back into Tekken just to Master
Eliza & Lydia🦊🌿
can someone tell me the song playing at 10:30? it feels so nostalgic for some reason
I like to play lidia since there arent a lot of complicated juggle punishes
Yo Max, if you'd ever want someone to just causally try some stuff in tekken with, I'd totally be happy with letting you fuck around and try out shit against me, I mainly play hwoarang, but can play some other characters like geese and akuma (kinda) I'm on PlayStation if you ever want to just have a few rounds man. Loved your stuff for years now, really got me into the fighting games community
Max knows the deal, he has the tekken tag ost for the stage because the tekken tags had the best ost's.
man i haven’t been able to get into much matches in T7 and when i do it’s people that kick my ass instantly 😂 i still gotta figure out who i wanna main and all the 100+ combos that come with them but damn this game is addicting i never had so much fun with practice mode in any fighting game before
Can anyone tell me what that website max was using? I’d love to be able to have a clear guide into what to look for in this game.
What do you mean by what to look for? :o
I played when I was young but was just mashing then got serious in T7 a year in. like 5 years later im red ranks only. but I love it. wasn't that hard to learn but hard to get good at
Tekken 3 is by far my favorite Tekken followed by Tekken 6
Gonna be following this one closely
Not a fan of cartoony Tekken, but Go Max!👊😄
6:36 That answer and even the bits before it.👏
Tekken Bowling God. Sick!👊😎
I'm in the same boat as Max, actually it's been even longer since I've been active in Tekken... not since T6 when it was released. I bought this on Steam during the height of the pandemic then bought the definitive edition this year. I still remember a few of my bnb combos with Nina and Julia but I'm overall rusty as hell. And so many new characters to choose from, crazy overwhelming but nice nonetheless! Lidia dope as hell
i remember all those benny momments :) thats a good dog.
Yo max your play on arcade sticks or d pad Xbox?
I’m part of the Italian tekken 7 community, if you need some tips or just searching for some matches with pro players to test yourself let me know!
In VF5 I usually dodge attacks depending
On your opponents back foot, that's where there bnb attacks come from🍉
I recently installed it and had a lot of fun going up against one very good Marduk for one hour or so... shame that I don't have the same drive as I did with it like I had before -_-
Love to see you getting serious with it again though ^_^
If this game had a proper tutorial and the devs actually put in a mode that shows you how buttons and combos works, then I would’ve kept playing this game and not drop it so quickly. I hope Tekken 8 fixes this.
ABSOLUTELY! Seems insane that there is NO training at all.
i saw someone made a video about how noctis wont return for T8, and asked who would miss him... and my mind went straight to Max.
I didn't really get too much into Tekken 7 aside from playing with friends casually. I mostly played Lars cuz he seemed like a cool character I wanted to play. Though recently I've been getting into Pokken Tournament and while that's a little more simplified but unique Tekken in a way I seem to enjoy it more what with the Pokemon aspects thrown into the formula with it's gameplay
Btw the moves have so much tracking now you won't side step much... and all you need is just 2 back dash cancels at most. Just do a wave dash backwards its the easiest way to backdash cancel
It’s hard but it’s hype
The title makes me feel like I just stumbled onto a Tekken infomercial at 3 AM...
Usually, when I gotta look at frame data, i groan. Not with Tekken though. The frame data seemed interesting. I think it has to do with the number. The moves sound like you can grasp the unsafeness with a 56 frame move compared to a 10 frame
Tekken is a lot slower paced than most other fighters, moves often has so much readability and motion to it. It's easier to learn each move and how to pace around it compared to games like Skullgirls or Touhou 12.3 (i picked those games since those are the games currently on the top of my head, and what i played mainly aside from Tekken). Fights in Tekken often feels like a flow you can just mentally read which will and which won't hit you in the moment.
If you start making more Tekken vids, I'll subscribe brotha.