Josh! Wow! All I can say is thank you! You are far too kind (also thank you for putting in the effort to say my name correctly!) I very much appreciate you hearing my small side to this whole thing and your promotion of my video may have just resulted in me being able to monetize my channel MONTHS earlier than expected!!! While that was absolutely NOT the goal with this video (and tbh I never expected it to get this many views to begin with), I will definitely take it as a strange silver lining to this whole drama fest 😝 so thank you and stay amazing! ☺️
"If Dreamworld ever comes out... I will apologize, I will play the game, and I will give genuine, honest, unbiased feedback" No words have ever made MMO devs shudder in their boots more
"For the previous seven months, I applied to ten new jobs every day." ... So, he's telling everyone he got rejected from over 2,100 jobs? Sounds reliable.
If you apply for ten jobs a day for a month, you're really shitty at a resume. Seriously, I don't know 2100 companies who WILL NOT take a body with a pulse, let alone someone who is qualified.
Did anyone notice that Freudian Slip at 2:44? "We've had a lot of people tell us that *what they think we're building* is fantastical and incredible." What *they think* we're building. Not 'what we're building'.
It's common to switch orders of words when speaking off the cuff. It's clear he meant to say 'they think what we are building'. Try listening closely to people you talk with, you'll be surprised how many grammar swaps you catch that you let slide. These things don't escape people like me, and I've learned to nit pick about them less.
@@laflam7454 From Wikipedia: NEET, an acronym for "Not in Education, Employment, or Training", refers to a person who is unemployed and not receiving an education or vocational training.
I remember running across this project on Kickstarter and thinking the tag line ‘Dreamworld- the last game you’ll ever play’ sounds more like a made up game in a horror movie
I love how the guy says on the video that he was gonna be a waiter when COVID hit, and on the website he says he is an experienced game developer or marketing genius, whoever he claimed to be.
He is not the game developer, he is the serial entrepreneur / designer / marketing genius... Who, somehow, had to work as a waiter and was then dumped by his girlfriend. That's obvious BS. Why would you work as a waiter if you are that successful ? For fun because you already have a lot of money ? Then, why is it so terrible to lose your job ? That's obvious he is manipulating us with this story. Both lie and heavily overestimate their experience to pretend to be far better than they really are.
Come on he never said he had the developing experience. All he said was he is experienced and a developer. He did not say he had lots of experience developing games lol. Jus sayin
They both look like such smug snake oil salesmen, and they should be. They got quite a lot of cash and now have to just shit out a bare minimum garbage pile before running off. Anyone who backed this is seriously a moron.
What's also terrible is the fact that in his phrasing, he makes it seem like she left him BECAUSE he lost his job, making her seem like a gold digger. It's not clearly stated but that's what transpires from his little speech. God this is despicable.
You know, the Producers suck... but do not pretend like a woman wouldn't leave a dude for not bringing in the money. Are all women like that? No. Am I saying the Producers woman was like that? No, I am just saying it is a possibility.
@@CreepyHandedMan Okay then, and yeah, judging by the evidence shown, the chick had every right to leave that assclown. Considering his stupidity and self-entitlement.
@@TheTundraTerror That's even better. People defending the game and desperately trying to justify their lost money always make the most hilarious sorts of comments. It's like a second Star Citizen just got born.
Those people are idiots. Having a very hard time feeling any sympathy for them. They claimed to have an INFINITE game world that can support 1 million player at once in a shared overworld. Even better they claimed doing this with a peer to peer connection. If you fall for this you deserve getting scammed.
Not really... IMO it's like the people who sit on an airbag when it explodes and then they're surprised they got hurt meanwhile everyone else is going "yeah no shit, it's an airbag, what did you think was going to happen"
@@requiemagent3014 For real, they promise you all the stars in the sky without any proof whatsoever that they're capable of pulling it off and people fall for that. Smh
Emotion manipulation was the first thing I thought of when you showed that kickstarter video. Mentioning the breakup of the relationship was such a weird thing in a kickstarter pitch.
Watching the main dude (Zachary?) talk gives me the creeps. Maybe I've just seen too many "sociopath mimicking human emotion" characters in fiction, or maybe those blunt portrayals are more accurate than I thought.
I think what's interesting is that you watch Aislinn's video explaining her side of things and she comes across as way more genuine and NORMAL than he does
His eyes look dead, his deliberately quivering his voice whole you see a hint of a smirk on his face while talking The expression isn't too dissimilar to onesion
doesn't it have to exist and then stop existing to be vaporware? just be honest, like the people say what they are making is incredile an fantastical. as in it is not credible and a fantasy.v
Thought the same thing when he showed that "pitch" Video. As soon as he started with the whole "Woe is me i am poor and my fianceé left me, support my porject" it was obvious that there is nothing and just trying to play to some poor fools emotion. Sadly it seems to have worked.....
yeah you're right. in a bout a years time there's going to be a new Kickstarter update post talking about how one of the creators took the money and ran, or that they ran out of funding and will no longer be continuing the project lmfao.
"everyone, i'm so sorry, dreamworld is gone... [the OTHER guy] took the money, and all the development files, and ran. it's all gone, and there's nothing i can do anymore by myself... ~obviously fake sigh, obviously fake sadness~* (etc etc) "the other guy" will just be whiechever one of them loses interest in the project first. ... or loses the password to the kickstarter page, idk. could go either way.
I've consumed almost every video on RUclips about this train wreck. This is fascinating - every time a new piece of info pops up, I don't know whether to laugh of cry.
Have you seen the couple vids of a dude „playing“ it and acting as if there was already a small community and stuff going on? What was that? Comments were disabled
This scam is more entertaining than the actual game could ever be. (I know I wrote the same considering Chronicles of Elyria ;) Maybe this will become a whole new genre "Fraud Games" or something like that...)
I remember being so extremely tempted to back chronicles of Elyria just so I could play the test build but I’m glad I held out. Will be even extra careful now
I wonder how many MMOs using crowdfunding have met their initial launch goal and never released a playable multiplayer game of any sort to the backers. It has to be close to 100 at absolute minimum.
I dunno if "trainwreck" is the right word - this is working out *_exactly_* as planned. The scammers behind it are going to walk away with giant piles of money. It's disgusting, and it's wrong in every way, but as far as I can see the phrase is "Massive Success."
@@Izzmonster I guess it depends on how we define the project's purpose. As a game, it's a fucking disaster. As a scam, it's a triumph. It's a huge success.
I'll never understand how people join cults where the main honcho's big idea is for you to stop banging your wife because "God" told him he should do it instead of you ... but people have fallen for that kind of thing. People are fucking weird.
They prey on the mentally weak. In some weird way it's even better to make the scam obvious. You don't want to waste your time with people who are mentally sound. A lot of scams target old people in the early stages of dementia. I'm not saying the people who funded it had dementia but they were not mentally well in some way.
Wishful thinking, lack of fulfillment in their actual life, general stupidity... lots of reasons. These are the same types of people who spend thousands of dollars on anime gacha games to get their "waifu".
Just noticed "SSX Tricky" for the PS2 in the shelf behind you and was immediately hit with a huge flood of nostalgic memories haha Well done research and presentation-wise, as always!
also "what people THINK we're making" as opposed to "what we ARE making". probably not what he MEANT to say, but equally likely, a huge and accidentally HONEST slip.
that dude is bearing his teeth when asking for peoples support and his face is relaxed but he cant hide the stress from showing in his eyes. its that "trust me, you know im good for it" look from a friend or family memeber who thinks they are pulling one over on you again.
I bet there's another hidden page in there called "Master plan" Where it's just a doodle of two stick figures holding money, and a crowd of other sad stick figures labeled "suckers".
That guy reminds me of a dude I dated once, he's 100% a power tool and seems incredibly manipulative. My bullshit-detector began screeching during the video where he talks about what apparently served as the catalyst for him creating "dream"world
Everything from the little cracking of his voice to the pause=>sigh sounds engineered to create a specific reaction. And when he tries to convince you about how excited he is for the game he sounds like he's trying to roleplay as Shawn Murray (no man's sky). I really don't understand how people fall for something like that, even Jake Paul's apology video sounds more genuine.
Although I have not dated anyone like that, I have met people like this. They are always so easy to identify. Everything about the "project" and its "developers" are obviously sketchy to me.
You dated such a guy... Obviously your "bullshit-detector" doesnt work very well... If your guy was as fake as this guy, you should really work on your "bullshit-detector".
@@amuro9624 don't know why, but his way of talking only makes me more irritated and in my eyes makes him less trustworthy. exactly the opposite effect.
People like this bring down the entire industry of indie games, It's such a shame. It's also a shame Kickstarter aren't more diligent with their selection process, this isn't the first scam I've seen nor will it be the last. Devs work tirelessly for years only to dream of reaching a similar backing goal and many still fail because of their marketing efforts. It's the age-old case of marketing > product. Unfortunately, Kickstarter is an incubator for people selling polished turds. There needs to processes that hold people like this accountable for their actions. People like you are currently the best shot we have at exposing these projects and warning the public, although in this case it still succeeded... Having published a successful Kickstarter campaign myself, It's my nightmare to ever be grouped into the same category as people like this. As always, great video.
you know what, Josh... I like you. Not as a channel, a content creator, or the because of the content you create, but as a person. I appreciate your honesty and insight. I disprove of your Ultramarines mug, but that's besides the point (Russ is best Primarch). I really appreciate your unbiased point of view, and your straight-forward approach. You're a good person. i hope to see you in one of the MMOs I play one day. Keep it up.
One of the worst feelings (For me.) is finding a bad person with the same name as you. Like, there's almost no reason for me to be embarrassed 'cause I wasn't involved in the situation at all, I still do feel embarrassed about it.
I'm getting that suggested as well... XD But to be fair i watched a few of his videos before, he is a channel for medieval stuff... weapons.. culture and customs... etc
Zackary is so good a gaslighter that her ex-fiance still believe he is not trying to scam anyone! My prediction is that they will deliver a botched single-player alpha of the game and put the blame on each others.
My prediction is they will do like No Man's Sky, but in a way that's malicious from the beginning. They will create what is essentially a single-player game, if they're even capable of that, and go with "OH LOOK the game is SO BIG AND INFINITE that you will never see two players bump into each other!"
Do you? Ultima Online launched their paid beta. It was glorious. Of course, this was simply because the only way to distribute the game client was by mailing a CD (56k was a _great_ internet back then), so they humbly asked their supporters to cover the costs (ended up something like $5, in then-dollars, of course). I would have loved to see the faces on the EA's "is this a worthwhile venture?" department when they realized the game they projected would sell at most 50k copies over its life got more than a 100k+ people to basically sign up as unpaid beta testers _and paid for it_ :D At least we know some things don't change - EA is still as ridiculous as ever.
@@LuaanTi Well yeah there were exceptions like that, but I used to browse websites that cataloged MMOs that were in beta testing phases. Usually I could just sign up, download, and jump right in. I tested a ton of MMOs that way back in the day. These days they almost always want money up front to gain "early access".
@@Tall_Order Those MMO catalogues still exist, and still work just fine. I found a lot of interesting little games that way myself over the years ;) One of the things that can really hurt a small MMO starting out is when they get a huge influx of people when someone covers the game, utterly disrupting the game, causing performance issues and all that - and you can't react to it very fast, and even if you could help with extra hardware and such, there's a good chance you'll never get that money back. Heck, AAA developers still launch with infrastructure that can't handle peaks (even though they could work around it without wasting the infrastructure). Paying for early access isn't that bad, if you already have something to show for it.
My first thought on the original Kickstarter video was "why is a super talented Google Engineer working as a waiter?". Then came the rest of his transparent sob story, heck he even failed at pretending to shed a tear at his own bad acting. I do hope the gullible people who gave them money have learn a valuable lesson from this.
@@WallaWaller Jim Sterling has really taken that spot. Regardless of how one might feel about the guy, he's often on the money when it comes to calling out industry BS. Yhatzee has also aged like fine wine and is just as good now as he was in the early 00's. Which is amazing.
@@planescaped Mostly unrelated but I should probably mention Jim came out as non binary and wants to be referred to as they/them. Aside from that I agree with you on both Jim and Yahtz
I bet they're gonna just run away with the money , this is how every scam goes : They advertise it , setting up the trap for the foolish people that don't know any better and when they have enough money they either release a crap product ( a video game in this context ) to avoid the law or run away to another country if they're really on the wanted list .
@@PolishJohnWick They will definately just take the money, this is an outright scam. There's is no way they can ever deliver the game they are promising. Even without knowing who is involved anyone that knows a little about game development will be able to tell you it's impossible. My guess is they will eventually release a shoddy broken alpha full of bought assets plonked into a world before they get bored and move onto the next scam.
The worst thing about this whole situation is how many more people will now refuse to back real projects that genuinely need the funding because they've been burnt by garbage Kickstarters like this. I ran a Kickstarter last year for a game and I can't count all the people who said they'd buy my game when it launched, but they wouldn't back Kickstarters because they didn't like throwing their money away. Great video as always, Josh.
Your Videos are so good man. I love watching You, Peon, and Kira. And I also believe Kira would have never posted those screenshots if it weren't pubic at the time. Also big brain idea! You, Peon, and Kira should do a video together!
Welp, this is my first video of yours I've seen - I did watch the previous video first, at your own recommendation - and I appreciate not only your deep dive into the scam itself, but also the grace with which you handled Smilin Aislinn's statement. Happy to be a subscriber, and happy to view your content in the future.
"Kickstarted MMO" is already a pejorative term among gamers (even with a few successes). For the most part, outside of a desperate few, people are not going to fall for it.
The "kickstarter" part is most bizarre lmao. "Early access" has been a meme model that basically makes you pay them to playtest a build. How ironic is that? There used to be times when people used to be paid to playtest things, or whatever the project, doesn't stop at the games. Meanwhile, now instead of early access, you pay with your money so someones elses "business" can exist. Early access requires to setup a team and actually make a debug build other people can play, kickstarter needs nothing lmao. How much further back will we go?
@@kirayoshikage4057 Its fucking called "investing" dude Like Idek what this video is about but Kickstarter is literally just the logical evolution of investment.
this kinda reminds me of the Ducktales episode where Mark Beaks hypes a fake product and then hires someone to "steal" the product, which is revealed to have never existed
Thank you so much for talking about this Josh. Your act of investigating these manipulative schemes has restored a little bit more of my personal faith in humanity and only stands to make the MMO genre better.
I kinda just found out about this project and I've been catching up on older stories. At this point I've seen the meme version of the Kickstarter video so often I actually was expecting the guy to say "we put together a discord channel! And it... Left me" when your video got to that part lol
I saw an ad for this on Facebook, and was like "how are people interested in this? It's so obviously a scam." and then pushed it out with no idea it would get funded. I am absolutely baffled that so many people have actually devoted MONEY to this?!
We need more videos like this, shedding the light on flat out scammers. Disgusting how these two developers have nothing better to do with their lives, but to take advantage of others, for their own gain.
Why do you make me wait?! My brain is awhirl! 1: What could have happened? 2: Will Josh wear a new shirt? 3: Will Josh have new color grading for his skin? 4: Will Josh smile at the camera and make us all simp for his epicness? 5:... 6: Profit?
I just assume his closet is just rows after rows of white shirts and vests. Just White shirts and black vests. some are possibly slightly darker black.
well thing is i think they might've paid some smaller content creator to say some script and to post it on sosmed like twitter, and then use it as "evidence" that people do think that way about the game. check out their twitter account and you can see that they retweeted bunch of this possibly fake reviews or feedbacks
thank you a lot for the research and update on this very unfortunate marketing scam turn into pyramid scheme, the impartiality is very much appreciated.
Im laughing my ass that they already got their cash and then some and are still circling for more. And it looks good on their part when they jump ship to an actual company.
Damn dude, nice content! You feel like the gaming equivalent of Mother's Basement - and the background setup you have for recording doubles down on that, it's great! Looking forwards to more from you!
As an Australian, whenever I hear 'Dreamworld', I think of the theme park incident we had in 2016. This situation is keeping that word strongly associated with disaster in my mind.
your aoc title and thumbnail made me originally have a negative impression of you but through your videos you are clearly a well spoken, smart guy who knows what hes talking about, good videos!
Very well done. It is a shame that some people take advantage of others for their own design, and sadly a lot of desperate gamers will fall into this trap. Lets hope they see your video before they commit anything to this project. Thanks Josh.
Honestly, I am here for the drama. As someone somewhat invested in publicly backed games and tech I always love seeing them advance and succeed, this one obviously isnt...and I really feel that should be massively obvious to people. The promises they make, the mysterious tech they would need to develop to make it happen it feels so fake and crazy. Cloud imperium games are actively making the tech games could use to connect tousands of players with very advanced graphics and gameplay, thats a studio putting in the time and effort...and its taking them years, yet these two guys are just gona make it work cause they want to? its insane. The news about this stuff has just become a shitshow to watch crash and burn.
When KiraTV showed the screenshots i was surprised and felt that it was odd that he was doing so... They were personal conversations, and he didn't blur anything. I know KiraTV meant well and I really enjoyed his dedication to making the video, but I have a feeling that he didn't directly ask if he could put the screenshots in his video and just assumed. I'm a bit glad how it happened because it was very interesting, but im not surprised they weren't intended to be shared publicly. Great vid, these two "developers" give me such bad vibes especially when watching that pity-me video. After knowing people like that personally, just yuck.
Eh. Depends if they live in a two-party-consent state or not. There are places where merely having the conversation is unspoken permission to record and later use the recordings. I would Imagine PMs are the same thing legally.
Josh color corrected his videos. If you ever want proof a RUclipsr LISTENS to your feedback, *this is it*. This man is a dream. A content creator above all others.
This is not even a drama video, this is straight-up detective mystery solving. Thank you so much for your insight about the topic, It is just shameful and disgraceful for the entire genre that it is this easy to scam people. PS. Hello Asmon.
Josh! Wow! All I can say is thank you! You are far too kind (also thank you for putting in the effort to say my name correctly!) I very much appreciate you hearing my small side to this whole thing and your promotion of my video may have just resulted in me being able to monetize my channel MONTHS earlier than expected!!! While that was absolutely NOT the goal with this video (and tbh I never expected it to get this many views to begin with), I will definitely take it as a strange silver lining to this whole drama fest 😝 so thank you and stay amazing! ☺️
Is this sarcasm? I honestly can't tell
Edit: Gonna leave this here even though I know it's not sarcasm
You're a total babe, absolute stunner, 10/10.
Edit: omg you were actually going to marry this guy? Wtf were you thinking lol?
Oh wait just saw more of the video and good for you Aislinn and Goodluck with everything you set out to do!
@@eyeofsauron7662 Props for not deleting the comment
@@TimeForDunston ew creep
"If Dreamworld ever comes out... I will apologize, I will play the game, and I will give genuine, honest, unbiased feedback"
No words have ever made MMO devs shudder in their boots more
Fortunately for them those two clowns are not MMO devs but scammers, so they are probably immune.
@@shizanketsuga8696 yep. Not only shameless, but immune to reprocessing thanks to being able to just pack up and leave when they fancy it.
"Shudder"
If you're going to be snarky, don't sound like an idiot.
@@FuglyStick bro what kinda come back even is this? Shudder is a word people use all the time lmao
@@FuglyStick what?
"For the previous seven months, I applied to ten new jobs every day."
...
So, he's telling everyone he got rejected from over 2,100 jobs? Sounds reliable.
Meanwhile I filled out three applications for three jobs I was underqualified for and got calls from all three within a week.
I misread that as "relatable" because yes
If you apply for ten jobs a day for a month, you're really shitty at a resume. Seriously, I don't know 2100 companies who WILL NOT take a body with a pulse, let alone someone who is qualified.
@@DamienDarksideBlog I guess the problem is I'm applying for jobs that actually pay well and don't make me want to die
yeah it really depends what jobs youre talking about and even what demographic youre in.
Did anyone notice that Freudian Slip at 2:44?
"We've had a lot of people tell us that *what they think we're building* is fantastical and incredible."
What *they think* we're building. Not 'what we're building'.
I didnt even notice that, well spotted.
I did notice it aswell.
Kinda funny, maybe it's their way of being honest. xD
Sleazy snakes.
@@bertrollt8386 last week when i saw thought the same, he wants to believe in himself so hard lol
It's common to switch orders of words when speaking off the cuff. It's clear he meant to say 'they think what we are building'.
Try listening closely to people you talk with, you'll be surprised how many grammar swaps you catch that you let slide. These things don't escape people like me, and I've learned to nit pick about them less.
He was deadass living as a NEET with someone else's family. His manipulation skills are on another level.
So what happened to chang'e?
What’s a NEET?
Yeah what's a neet? Lol
@@laflam7454 From Wikipedia: NEET, an acronym for "Not in Education, Employment, or Training", refers to a person who is unemployed and not receiving an education or vocational training.
@@dontwatchmuhvideosanddontscrub neet has nothing to do with touhou how did you get this idea
Have no idea why this was in my recommended but I'm more than happy to watch a man who looks like Hugh Dancy rant about terrible people.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he looked like Hugh 😆👌
I remember running across this project on Kickstarter and thinking the tag line ‘Dreamworld- the last game you’ll ever play’ sounds more like a made up game in a horror movie
The last game you'll ever play?
Do we... *die* after playing it?
Yeah, is that a tagline or a threat?
I still think it sounded vaguely threatening. Like the game will kill you
It's cool that Rob Stark has a dope youtube channel.
The king in the north!
Just watch your back Rob
Soy consumer
@@md-dg9gk THE KING IN THE NOOOORTH!!!
@@jamsheedsneed6257 No, Rob Stark is from Game of Thrones.
I love how the guy says on the video that he was gonna be a waiter when COVID hit, and on the website he says he is an experienced game developer or marketing genius, whoever he claimed to be.
He is not the game developer, he is the serial entrepreneur / designer / marketing genius... Who, somehow, had to work as a waiter and was then dumped by his girlfriend.
That's obvious BS. Why would you work as a waiter if you are that successful ? For fun because you already have a lot of money ? Then, why is it so terrible to lose your job ?
That's obvious he is manipulating us with this story. Both lie and heavily overestimate their experience to pretend to be far better than they really are.
He's a con man ...
Come on he never said he had the developing experience. All he said was he is experienced and a developer. He did not say he had lots of experience developing games lol. Jus sayin
They both look like such smug snake oil salesmen, and they should be. They got quite a lot of cash and now have to just shit out a bare minimum garbage pile before running off.
Anyone who backed this is seriously a moron.
@@planescaped "fool and his money are easily separated"
What's also terrible is the fact that in his phrasing, he makes it seem like she left him BECAUSE he lost his job, making her seem like a gold digger. It's not clearly stated but that's what transpires from his little speech.
God this is despicable.
Yep. It was the next sentence so it made her look awful. It basically went 'i lost my job, so my fiance dumped me'
You know, the Producers suck... but do not pretend like a woman wouldn't leave a dude for not bringing in the money. Are all women like that? No. Am I saying the Producers woman was like that? No, I am just saying it is a possibility.
@@imaran1303 I'm not pretending anything, I'm specifically taking about her. I'm not of the "believe all women" crowd at all.
@@CreepyHandedMan Okay then, and yeah, judging by the evidence shown, the chick had every right to leave that assclown. Considering his stupidity and self-entitlement.
It's even more hypocritical because he was the one mooching off her in the end...
It sucks that people lost money for this, but watching these kinds of scams sure is entertaining.
The people who got suckered are actually defending this obvious con job.
@@TheTundraTerror That's even better. People defending the game and desperately trying to justify their lost money always make the most hilarious sorts of comments. It's like a second Star Citizen just got born.
Those people are idiots. Having a very hard time feeling any sympathy for them. They claimed to have an INFINITE game world that can support 1 million player at once in a shared overworld. Even better they claimed doing this with a peer to peer connection. If you fall for this you deserve getting scammed.
Not really... IMO it's like the people who sit on an airbag when it explodes and then they're surprised they got hurt meanwhile everyone else is going "yeah no shit, it's an airbag, what did you think was going to happen"
@@requiemagent3014 For real, they promise you all the stars in the sky without any proof whatsoever that they're capable of pulling it off and people fall for that. Smh
Emotion manipulation was the first thing I thought of when you showed that kickstarter video. Mentioning the breakup of the relationship was such a weird thing in a kickstarter pitch.
Watching the main dude (Zachary?) talk gives me the creeps. Maybe I've just seen too many "sociopath mimicking human emotion" characters in fiction, or maybe those blunt portrayals are more accurate than I thought.
I think what's interesting is that you watch Aislinn's video explaining her side of things and she comes across as way more genuine and NORMAL than he does
I couldn't fake emotions worse if my life depended on it, Jesus Christ.
They're real and I've seen it quite a few times.
His eyes look dead, his deliberately quivering his voice whole you see a hint of a smirk on his face while talking
The expression isn't too dissimilar to onesion
The best thing about DreamWorld is all the awesome videos people like Josh and KiraTV are making slamming this vaporware into the ground.
doesn't it have to exist and then stop existing to be vaporware?
just be honest, like the people say what they are making is incredile an fantastical.
as in it is not credible and a fantasy.v
This seems like the type of shipwreck Internet Historian would cover if it blows up enough
He usually covers games that have at least a bit of lifetime and then die, this one will almost certainly never even see the light of day lol
@@efrenenverde True but I'd still enjoy it :D
@@efrenenverde true
It's not funny or interesting enough
It could be one of those situations where he will make a video on multiple video game scams
As soon as you played his tale of woe I knew why she left him. I feel bad for her that she's been dragged into this, but glad she got away from him!
Thought the same thing when he showed that "pitch" Video. As soon as he started with the whole "Woe is me i am poor and my fianceé left me, support my porject" it was obvious that there is nothing and just trying to play to some poor fools emotion. Sadly it seems to have worked.....
yeah you're right. in a bout a years time there's going to be a new Kickstarter update post talking about how one of the creators took the money and ran, or that they ran out of funding and will no longer be continuing the project lmfao.
They'll probably ask for more
"everyone, i'm so sorry, dreamworld is gone... [the OTHER guy] took the money, and all the development files, and ran. it's all gone, and there's nothing i can do anymore by myself... ~obviously fake sigh, obviously fake sadness~* (etc etc)
"the other guy" will just be whiechever one of them loses interest in the project first.
... or loses the password to the kickstarter page, idk. could go either way.
I really like how respectful you handle the privacy issues of some of these information.
I've consumed almost every video on RUclips about this train wreck. This is fascinating - every time a new piece of info pops up, I don't know whether to laugh of cry.
it's yandere simulator all over again
Mourn for the loss of the poor investors. But it's kinda a weird sorta trainwreck that's interesting to watch.
@@destinyjewel2588 nah they don´t really care. They invest in a ton of projects and if some of them goes well....profit....repeat
Have you seen the couple vids of a dude „playing“ it and acting as if there was already a small community and stuff going on? What was that? Comments were disabled
It's like a train that keeps crashing into other trains again and again for days with no sign of stopping.
"What they think we're building" all I need to hear.
This scam is more entertaining than the actual game could ever be. (I know I wrote the same considering Chronicles of Elyria ;) Maybe this will become a whole new genre "Fraud Games" or something like that...)
I adore gaming drama of this kind - it's really entertaining.
We were waiting for a game but we didn't know we were already playing the real game
I remember being so extremely tempted to back chronicles of Elyria just so I could play the test build but I’m glad I held out. Will be even extra careful now
I think it already is a new genre: pathfinder online, embers of Caerus, shroud of the avatar, dark age of Camelot... this one though is a new low.
I wonder how many MMOs using crowdfunding have met their initial launch goal and never released a playable multiplayer game of any sort to the backers. It has to be close to 100 at absolute minimum.
Holy shit, this is a trainwreck happening in real time... and I refuse look away.
This story is as old as humanity itself. More people should learn to recognize a scam.
I made popcorn 🍿
I dunno if "trainwreck" is the right word - this is working out *_exactly_* as planned.
The scammers behind it are going to walk away with giant piles of money.
It's disgusting, and it's wrong in every way, but as far as I can see the phrase is "Massive Success."
@@stickiedmin6508 Just because someone is selling tickets to the trainwreck doesn't mean it still isn't one.
@@Izzmonster
I guess it depends on how we define the project's purpose.
As a game, it's a fucking disaster.
As a scam, it's a triumph. It's a huge success.
I will never understand how many people fall for these sorts of scams so easily
I'll never understand how people join cults where the main honcho's big idea is for you to stop banging your wife because "God" told him he should do it instead of you ... but people have fallen for that kind of thing. People are fucking weird.
There's 7.6 billion people on Earth. Say a good billion *at least* are utter smoothbrain morons... one can make quite the killing.
Credulity and hope I guess.
They prey on the mentally weak. In some weird way it's even better to make the scam obvious. You don't want to waste your time with people who are mentally sound. A lot of scams target old people in the early stages of dementia. I'm not saying the people who funded it had dementia but they were not mentally well in some way.
Wishful thinking, lack of fulfillment in their actual life, general stupidity... lots of reasons. These are the same types of people who spend thousands of dollars on anime gacha games to get their "waifu".
Just noticed "SSX Tricky" for the PS2 in the shelf behind you and was immediately hit with a huge flood of nostalgic memories haha
Well done research and presentation-wise, as always!
I’m happy we all have the lost Cavill brother to keep us well informed on the going’s on within the gaming industry.
I ask blunt:
Is she the perverted kind of
Model or the normal kind?
He actually said what they're building is fantastical, not fantastic. Big difference
also "what people THINK we're making" as opposed to "what we ARE making". probably not what he MEANT to say, but equally likely, a huge and accidentally HONEST slip.
That was the tipoff for me. Fantastical means outrageously fake or illusionary. Not many seem to realise he was describing the project honestly.
that dude is bearing his teeth when asking for peoples support and his face is relaxed but he cant hide the stress from showing in his eyes. its that "trust me, you know im good for it" look from a friend or family memeber who thinks they are pulling one over on you again.
I bet there's another hidden page in there called "Master plan"
Where it's just a doodle of two stick figures holding money, and a crowd of other sad stick figures labeled "suckers".
That guy reminds me of a dude I dated once, he's 100% a power tool and seems incredibly manipulative. My bullshit-detector began screeching during the video where he talks about what apparently served as the catalyst for him creating "dream"world
Everything from the little cracking of his voice to the pause=>sigh sounds engineered to create a specific reaction. And when he tries to convince you about how excited he is for the game he sounds like he's trying to roleplay as Shawn Murray (no man's sky). I really don't understand how people fall for something like that, even Jake Paul's apology video sounds more genuine.
Although I have not dated anyone like that, I have met people like this. They are always so easy to identify. Everything about the "project" and its "developers" are obviously sketchy to me.
You dated such a guy... Obviously your "bullshit-detector" doesnt work very well... If your guy was as fake as this guy, you should really work on your "bullshit-detector".
@@oliveryt7168 god forbit people learn from experience, we all should be born with all the necessary knowledge.
@@amuro9624 don't know why, but his way of talking only makes me more irritated and in my eyes makes him less trustworthy. exactly the opposite effect.
People like this bring down the entire industry of indie games, It's such a shame. It's also a shame Kickstarter aren't more diligent with their selection process, this isn't the first scam I've seen nor will it be the last. Devs work tirelessly for years only to dream of reaching a similar backing goal and many still fail because of their marketing efforts. It's the age-old case of marketing > product. Unfortunately, Kickstarter is an incubator for people selling polished turds. There needs to processes that hold people like this accountable for their actions. People like you are currently the best shot we have at exposing these projects and warning the public, although in this case it still succeeded... Having published a successful Kickstarter campaign myself, It's my nightmare to ever be grouped into the same category as people like this. As always, great video.
You have caught my attention. I am very much interested in seeing the continuation of this marketer and designer make a videogame -saga.
"Hello adventurer and welcome to the town of Scammywood!"
"Mornin', nice day for scammin', ain't it? Hu ha!"
"Ahoo ahoo aha aha!" (cries)
"What are we?" "We're scammers." "And what do we do?" "We scam people!"
"So LET'S. GO. SCAM 'EM!"
Well, time go to work, this players won't scam themselves
It's called dream world because the looks like a dream, but is an actual nightmare
You have to be asleep to believe in it.
Nah because it's actually a dream, it's not real.
Dreams rarely manifest.
so its a psychological horror
PLOT TWIST: It turns out they were all paid actors and this whole disaster was planned from the start and is actually the beginning of a huge ARG O=
i knew as soon as i saw facebook advertisements that this was extremely fishy. now it’s like watching a rabbit hole being developed before our eyes
Came for the MMO memes stayed for that glorious hair
2:45 what they THINK we are building... Not even trying to hide
you know what, Josh... I like you. Not as a channel, a content creator, or the because of the content you create, but as a person. I appreciate your honesty and insight. I disprove of your Ultramarines mug, but that's besides the point (Russ is best Primarch). I really appreciate your unbiased point of view, and your straight-forward approach. You're a good person. i hope to see you in one of the MMOs I play one day. Keep it up.
I honestly believe that, more than scammers, these two guys are narcissists utterly lost in their world of immense self-esteem.
One of the worst feelings (For me.) is finding a bad person with the same name as you. Like, there's almost no reason for me to be embarrassed 'cause I wasn't involved in the situation at all, I still do feel embarrassed about it.
Mate, you're no simple youtuber, you're a god damn detective!
You have the best voice to listen too. Very easy on the ears.
Right??
I agree.
it was weird seeing that voice come out of his face suddenly. First video I've seen where he is on camera instead of just his voice.
Because 'serial entrepreneur of 9 years' inspires so much confidence. It implies a lot of failures and abandoned projects.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm just here for the drama.
I came to watch the sinking ship.
The dude in charge of advertising has his ex leaves him because he's emotionally manipulative? That is NOT a good omen!
10:55 "Shadiversity: Why am i floating in a barrel?"
So... i'm not the only one being suggested this! XD
I'm getting that suggested as well... XD
But to be fair i watched a few of his videos before, he is a channel for medieval stuff... weapons.. culture and customs... etc
MACHICOLATIONS!!!
He has a good channel if you like medieval or fantasy stuff.
what a relief, I was not alone seeing that
It's all the better with the thumbnail in the video looking at itself in your own recommended videos off to the side.
Joining the Discord channel is super easy....
Me under my breath: Barely an inconvenience
Is that reference?
Zackary is so good a gaslighter that her ex-fiance still believe he is not trying to scam anyone! My prediction is that they will deliver a botched single-player alpha of the game and put the blame on each others.
They just have to make up some reason as to why everything fell apart and then quietly fade away.
My prediction is they won’t be able to deliver anything
My prediction is they will do like No Man's Sky, but in a way that's malicious from the beginning.
They will create what is essentially a single-player game, if they're even capable of that, and go with "OH LOOK the game is SO BIG AND INFINITE that you will never see two players bump into each other!"
I think her ex fiance thinks he's to dumb to scam people and he really believes he could do it, he's a good actor it seems
That's what emotional manipulation does to people.
I remember when I didn't have to pay for early access to beta test a MMORPG. I miss those days.
Do you? Ultima Online launched their paid beta. It was glorious. Of course, this was simply because the only way to distribute the game client was by mailing a CD (56k was a _great_ internet back then), so they humbly asked their supporters to cover the costs (ended up something like $5, in then-dollars, of course). I would have loved to see the faces on the EA's "is this a worthwhile venture?" department when they realized the game they projected would sell at most 50k copies over its life got more than a 100k+ people to basically sign up as unpaid beta testers _and paid for it_ :D At least we know some things don't change - EA is still as ridiculous as ever.
@@LuaanTi Well yeah there were exceptions like that, but I used to browse websites that cataloged MMOs that were in beta testing phases. Usually I could just sign up, download, and jump right in. I tested a ton of MMOs that way back in the day. These days they almost always want money up front to gain "early access".
@@Tall_Order Those MMO catalogues still exist, and still work just fine. I found a lot of interesting little games that way myself over the years ;)
One of the things that can really hurt a small MMO starting out is when they get a huge influx of people when someone covers the game, utterly disrupting the game, causing performance issues and all that - and you can't react to it very fast, and even if you could help with extra hardware and such, there's a good chance you'll never get that money back. Heck, AAA developers still launch with infrastructure that can't handle peaks (even though they could work around it without wasting the infrastructure). Paying for early access isn't that bad, if you already have something to show for it.
My first thought on the original Kickstarter video was "why is a super talented Google Engineer working as a waiter?". Then came the rest of his transparent sob story, heck he even failed at pretending to shed a tear at his own bad acting. I do hope the gullible people who gave them money have learn a valuable lesson from this.
Josh IMO is doing for MMO’s what Totalbiscuit did for games in general.. we as consumers need to demand better for ourselves.
Someone needs to continue Biscuits legacy. Don't steal the name of his series, that would be disrespectful, but keep the themes and ideas going.
@@WallaWaller Jim Sterling has really taken that spot. Regardless of how one might feel about the guy, he's often on the money when it comes to calling out industry BS.
Yhatzee has also aged like fine wine and is just as good now as he was in the early 00's. Which is amazing.
@@planescaped Mostly unrelated but I should probably mention Jim came out as non binary and wants to be referred to as they/them.
Aside from that I agree with you on both Jim and Yahtz
I'm here for drama, your hair, and that background organization
I came with no expectations and I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of this examination
Well made, and I'm glad I found your channel
They don't need to build a game called Dream World, they are already living in one.
I bet they're gonna just run away with the money , this is how every scam goes : They advertise it , setting up the trap for the foolish people that don't know any better and when they have enough money they either release a crap product ( a video game in this context ) to avoid the law or run away to another country if they're really on the wanted list .
@@PolishJohnWick they wont even bother to release a shitgame, the will make a "devlog" or two and then leave
@@PolishJohnWick They will definately just take the money, this is an outright scam. There's is no way they can ever deliver the game they are promising. Even without knowing who is involved anyone that knows a little about game development will be able to tell you it's impossible. My guess is they will eventually release a shoddy broken alpha full of bought assets plonked into a world before they get bored and move onto the next scam.
The worst thing about this whole situation is how many more people will now refuse to back real projects that genuinely need the funding because they've been burnt by garbage Kickstarters like this. I ran a Kickstarter last year for a game and I can't count all the people who said they'd buy my game when it launched, but they wouldn't back Kickstarters because they didn't like throwing their money away. Great video as always, Josh.
This should be good
The worst thing is that the default 3D model associated with unreal engine will now forever be tainted by this game...
You're doing the Lord's work, Josh.
He's the baby Jesus of our generation 🤣
Josh fought bravely at the great battle of Josh
Dream world will be his Judas. This kickstarter is so amazing. DREAMWORLD FTW!!! EPIC GAME!!!!
yeah drama! It's like watching a train wreck slowly unfolding. You can't look away, although you know it won't end well.
Your Videos are so good man. I love watching You, Peon, and Kira. And I also believe Kira would have never posted those screenshots if it weren't pubic at the time. Also big brain idea! You, Peon, and Kira should do a video together!
Welp, this is my first video of yours I've seen - I did watch the previous video first, at your own recommendation - and I appreciate not only your deep dive into the scam itself, but also the grace with which you handled Smilin Aislinn's statement. Happy to be a subscriber, and happy to view your content in the future.
"Kickstarted MMO" is already a pejorative term among gamers (even with a few successes). For the most part, outside of a desperate few, people are not going to fall for it.
The "kickstarter" part is most bizarre lmao.
"Early access" has been a meme model that basically makes you pay them to playtest a build.
How ironic is that? There used to be times when people used to be paid to playtest things, or whatever the project, doesn't stop at the games.
Meanwhile, now instead of early access, you pay with your money so someones elses "business" can exist. Early access requires to setup a team and actually make a debug build other people can play, kickstarter needs nothing lmao. How much further back will we go?
@@kirayoshikage4057 Its fucking called "investing" dude
Like
Idek what this video is about but Kickstarter is literally just the logical evolution of investment.
2:45 "What they THINK we're building..."
Sometimes the truth comes out in very subtle words...
That dudes breathing / sighing is rage inducing.
Nice work, spot on. Keep up on the research of these horrible scammers
Apart from the absolute disastrous depression named Dreamworld, *Love the cup, Josh!!*
this kinda reminds me of the Ducktales episode where Mark Beaks hypes a fake product and then hires someone to "steal" the product, which is revealed to have never existed
I don't feel like I'm watching drama.
Its more like a train wreck happening in slow motion.
Thank you so much for talking about this Josh. Your act of investigating these manipulative schemes has restored a little bit more of my personal faith in humanity and only stands to make the MMO genre better.
Now this is real journalism. Great video!
I kinda just found out about this project and I've been catching up on older stories. At this point I've seen the meme version of the Kickstarter video so often I actually was expecting the guy to say "we put together a discord channel! And it... Left me" when your video got to that part lol
KiraTV is an awesome channel, I don't think He would never do something wrong intentionally.
should've asked this woman before putting such a personal information in the video.
Double negative
I saw an ad for this on Facebook, and was like "how are people interested in this? It's so obviously a scam." and then pushed it out with no idea it would get funded. I am absolutely baffled that so many people have actually devoted MONEY to this?!
The space marine mug made me amazon warhammer Necron mugs.... You rock Josh
We need more videos like this, shedding the light on flat out scammers. Disgusting how these two developers have nothing better to do with their lives, but to take advantage of others, for their own gain.
Why do you make me wait?! My brain is awhirl!
1: What could have happened?
2: Will Josh wear a new shirt?
3: Will Josh have new color grading for his skin?
4: Will Josh smile at the camera and make us all simp for his epicness?
5:...
6: Profit?
1: A lot
2: No
3: Yes
4: Yes
5:...
6: Yes?
Define "new shirt"
@@Samhir Having a wardrobe that doesn’t represent Spongebob’s closet of clothes
@@rrohbot lol fair enough
I just assume his closet is just rows after rows of white shirts and vests.
Just White shirts and black vests.
some are possibly slightly darker black.
2:42 "People told us what *they think we're building* is fantastical"
Quite the Freudian slip there. People merely think they're building it
well thing is i think they might've paid some smaller content creator to say some script and to post it on sosmed like twitter, and then use it as "evidence" that people do think that way about the game.
check out their twitter account and you can see that they retweeted bunch of this possibly fake reviews or feedbacks
Oooh a premiere for an episode, exciting!
thank you a lot for the research and update on this very unfortunate marketing scam turn into pyramid scheme, the impartiality is very much appreciated.
Im laughing my ass that they already got their cash and then some and are still circling for more. And it looks good on their part when they jump ship to an actual company.
I'm here 'cause of how u are a bundle of critique joy.
I just love how u are blunt and break down things. Brings me a smile!
Always a good day when scammers are exposed. (Or bad day, coz there are scammers to be exposed)
Damn dude, nice content! You feel like the gaming equivalent of Mother's Basement - and the background setup you have for recording doubles down on that, it's great! Looking forwards to more from you!
Anyone else unsettled by the “dev’s” eyes and smile?
As an Australian, whenever I hear 'Dreamworld', I think of the theme park incident we had in 2016. This situation is keeping that word strongly associated with disaster in my mind.
Honey!! Time to heat up the popcorn!!!
your aoc title and thumbnail made me originally have a negative impression of you but through your videos you are clearly a well spoken, smart guy who knows what hes talking about, good videos!
You look like the perfect guy to play the doctor in the show called "doctor who".
The true Doctor
Very well done. It is a shame that some people take advantage of others for their own design, and sadly a lot of desperate gamers will fall into this trap. Lets hope they see your video before they commit anything to this project. Thanks Josh.
Honestly, I am here for the drama. As someone somewhat invested in publicly backed games and tech I always love seeing them advance and succeed, this one obviously isnt...and I really feel that should be massively obvious to people. The promises they make, the mysterious tech they would need to develop to make it happen it feels so fake and crazy. Cloud imperium games are actively making the tech games could use to connect tousands of players with very advanced graphics and gameplay, thats a studio putting in the time and effort...and its taking them years, yet these two guys are just gona make it work cause they want to? its insane. The news about this stuff has just become a shitshow to watch crash and burn.
When KiraTV showed the screenshots i was surprised and felt that it was odd that he was doing so... They were personal conversations, and he didn't blur anything. I know KiraTV meant well and I really enjoyed his dedication to making the video, but I have a feeling that he didn't directly ask if he could put the screenshots in his video and just assumed. I'm a bit glad how it happened because it was very interesting, but im not surprised they weren't intended to be shared publicly.
Great vid, these two "developers" give me such bad vibes especially when watching that pity-me video. After knowing people like that personally, just yuck.
Eh. Depends if they live in a two-party-consent state or not.
There are places where merely having the conversation is unspoken permission to record and later use the recordings.
I would Imagine PMs are the same thing legally.
This dude has an epic backdrop...
Just found your channel the other day and I've been addicted to watching your videos, working through all of the worst mmos, keep up the great work.
Josh color corrected his videos. If you ever want proof a RUclipsr LISTENS to your feedback, *this is it*. This man is a dream. A content creator above all others.
I *thought* the colors in the past vid was weird... The reds looked like peach, the whites were beige, etc. Good on him!
@@calmkat9032 he truly is a man of the people. A deep thinker. A listener. Compassionate.
Damn, yeah that's a worst-case scenario explanation. Good analysis and estimate. Thanks for the investigation!
The scam the devs are pulling is more entertaining than any game they will release.
Il be really looking forward to this imploding and the final product review.
I'm just chuckling at their DW logo literally just being the WoW logo.
This is not even a drama video, this is straight-up detective mystery solving. Thank you so much for your insight about the topic, It is just shameful and disgraceful for the entire genre that it is this easy to scam people.
PS. Hello Asmon.
The name and look even the concept of the game comes off as some cheesy video game In a children's movie. Idk why people even backed it to began with.
"entrepreneur" is the worst thing that can follow the word "serial". THE WORST.