The Chu XP-Series; China’s Homebuilt Fighters
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Desperate for fighters to combat the Japanese, the Chinese Republic began development of several aircraft to fulfil the role; aircraft that have left scant trace of their existence.
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ADDITIONAL: Leo at SinoRecords has contacted me, he has done some more in depth work work looking into these aircraft and correcting mistakes in the common information. You can find his articles here:
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the only plane i never knew.
sure its not faked history??
Wow!. I get the sense, especially with the XP-1 that there was a Chinese genius hard at work here, trying to overcome impossible challenges.
Whoever he was, it's a damn shame his name is lost to history. He and his team, deserve to be remembered.
It's also a shame that with that intelligence they were probably an early victim of communist murder or "reeducation" as well.
Well done Mr Nash, at my age its not often I get to say "never heard of it" with regards to WW2 aircraft. Given the small amount of information available I'm guessing I wont be the only one.
same
Yep, a new one on me as well
Yep, a new one on me as well
photoshop fighter, lol
Another two of the many interesting what ifs you find in aviation.
Sure neither one of these were going to be world beaters, that's almost beyond question. But in the circumstances even attempting these two planes and getting as far actually test flying them is nothing short of remarkable.
"Boomerang" was the first plane that I thought of as well! Boomerangs are available to ANZAC players in my Axis&Allies house rules as a cheaper although less effective fighter option that doesn't require any reliance on lend-lease.
CAC CA-13 Boomerang, wholly designed in Australia and used effectively as a ground pounder that could defend itself if needed. Testing against Allied and captured Japanese fighters showed that while slower could outturn everything ( even the much vaunted Spitfire and Hurricane) and out climb everything but the Japanese fighters, it's dive characteristics were exemplary and stable in all axis making for an effective gun platform.
I am constantly amazed by the obscure aircraft you find to share with us, Mr. Nash.
These are completely new ones to me. First one does indeed resemble a Hawk 75, at least at first glance. Second one looks like a mix of Boomerang, Buffalo and MiG-1/3. Gullwing one looks like a Zero and a Ju87 were being naughty...interesting little machines. Well done, Ed, finding them at all!
"The single prototype of the X-PO fighter that was written-off when landing from it's initial flight at Yangling 1943".
Fantastic. I thought I knew of every obscure type of the mid 20th century and here is something completely new! Thankyou.
In Hearts of Iron 4, the WW2 game this XP-0 is a fighter you can develop as the Nationalists. I hadn't realised that they actually flew a prototype or two.
Same here
9 XP-0, not prototype or two. 2 XP-1 not just what you can see in picture.
i think its a photoshop creation...
Always informative. Thanks again Sir
Nice to see some fresh history. Thanks!
The XP-1 looks like a cross between a Bristol Type 133 and a Bristol Type 146.
I don't know how u get all the information on such rarities! It's really impressive
XP-0: How many experience points were awarded for this "Chinese domestic" design
Great vid Ed! I've become fascinated with nationalist Chinese aircraft lately, especially the Northrop Gamma 2e and Vultee V-11.
You truly are the Drachinifel of the Skies.
I can confirm that the Chinese Air Force was indeed in Dire Straits. They were the backing singers on "Sultans of Swing".
Great video, thanks Ed!
I've also seen a line drawing of a twin-boom, pusher propeller fighter design proposal By the Chinese Republic aircraft manufacturing company. Never built (as far as I know) but demonstrates they were looking far into the future.
I'm still waiting for the IAR 80 video!
5:50 ...looks like a mix of the Ju-87 Stuka and a F-4U Corsair...!
This is intriguing. I only knew about their imported stuff.
The XP-0 looks somewhat like another hurriedly produced indigenous fighter of the same era, the CAC Boomerang.
EDIT: Got 5 minutes in and found Ed had come to the same conclusion - Great minds think alike!
I thought I’d heard of every aircraft built during WWII but these two are new to me!
Looks way different in mind. More like the front half of a Myrsrky and the rear half of a 36
@@codyfrench7668, the second variant looked less like a Boomerang, the photo of the first prototype looked much more like a Boomerang.
@@codyfrench7668, referring to the first prototype, the nose is too short to be like a Myrsky and it has the same sort of wing root leading edge wheel wells as a Boomerang. The cockpit and fin shape are also more reminiscent of a Boomerang than a P-36.
@@Pete-tq6in The Myrsky nose is quite short, so I don't well understand what you're on about there. Further, the Chu lacks the gradual curvature found on the Boomerang. Aside from that, the canopy lines of the Chu are vertical, as with the 36 and as opposed to the Boomerang, and the Boomerang tail is considerably taller than that of the Chu or P36. Regarding the wing leading edge, the wheel bay protrusion is mildly larger on the Boomerang than the Chu.
@@codyfrench7668, the Myrsky nose is longer than the Boomerang or the Chu, as for ‘gradual curvature’, care to elaborate which part of the airframe exhibits the ‘gradual curvature’ you’re talking about?
I think we should agree to disagree on this one, I’m with Ed in my opinion that the Chu shares a lot more with the Boomerang than the Myrsky or the P-36 and suspect that you’re only arguing because you like arguing and being obtuse.
"Vagina, the 30s was not a great time" was what I heard and I'm thinking -- "well this one is going to be interesting....."
Hi Ed A Very interesting video about Chinese Built aircraft,
Do you think the Chu XP 1 May have been an attempt to build a dive bomber/ground attack aircraft as it looks very similar to the The Junkers Ju 87 Stuka or the A-31 Vengeance,
I always enjoy your videos they are very informative and you touch on quite an awful lot of topics and aircraft that others do not,
And aircraft that have been forgotten about in history, so I hope you keep up the good work thanks for all your hard work on producing these videos.
William
I do wonder if they wanted a ground attack capability. But there is barely anything existing on the aircraft nowadays to say with any certainty.
Somebody’s got to do the “Ju-87 we have at home” joke
Not me, though. Not today
The Chinese Air Force kept up the fight from 1937-1941 thanks to the Sino-Soviet Treaty; the Americans didn't really give a damn until the Japanese invasion of the U.S. colonial friends of French Indo-China and the Pearl Harbor attack of course. Although the Chinese still pursued with the aforementioned homegrown fighter designs, the impetus was low since now the Chinese were getting the P-40 Warhawks and P-51 Mustangs... many of these will fall into the PLAAF... in time for the Korean War... some of these Nationalist Warhawk/Mustang pilots even switched allegiance from the ROC to the PRC, including Major Xing Haifan, who became a MiG-15 pilot and shooting down two F-80 Shooting Stars over Pyongyang before being relegated to training duties.
i have always been very curious of those 2 models. both have its pros and cons. tho i cant put up any proof i do believe the weapons of the XP-0 were 2x 12,7mm M2 Browings 600 rounds total and 2x 20mm AN cannons [Roughly 120 rounds per gun]
again i cant confirm or deny but it would be barely flyable with the 4x 20mm cannon layout due to the extreme weight and drag.
again i can be wrong but from memory and massive amount of theory it would be the best firepower they could get.
It could be a 2 x 12.7 + 2 x 23 mm Madsen, as such configuration was seen on some ROC Curtiss P-36s
@@pelao824 Yeah, no. The 23mm Madsen was built in very small numbers and only *tried* on the P-36A, where it was found they reduced performance too greatly to be accepted for use. Even the Danish didn't use much of the 23mm model, and they invented it.
@@pelao824 depending on supply. madsens were primarily european based and since denmark fell it would be very quick to become short supply. i think the 20s would be more reasonable due to allied supplies.
@@codyfrench7668 the closest i could think of would be the 23mm autocannons the russians have but it would be rather difficult as at that point the russians needed every gun they could get to fight the germans
Also I hope I'm not the only one to wonder what aircraft was in the picture that started at 0:49.
Looks like something in the Dewoitine D.510 series.
This is something I never heard of before…
It’s a shame that these planes didn’t lead to bigger and better designs that, who knows, could have changed history…
Yes, an obsolete by 1940s design would have changed history, if mass produced.😜
Doubt it. The Nationalist Chinese AF were notoriously poor at maintenance. They lost more aircraft to poor maintenance (no longer available to fly) than in combat. They would not have done better if they built the aircraft themselves.
@@tedschwartz9360 Yes, there’s no doubt about that….
In fact, looking at the planes in the video, they don’t exactly inspire confidence…
I was just saying, what if things were done differently back then, wouldn’t things be better today?
Phenomenal!
great video, higher volume please. Can't hear you!
Second bird gives some Vultee vibes
WHAT on EARTH...is that? (Gull wing one)
+1 Ed N.
The madsen 20mm was produced in China so a 20mm is possible. The problem is lack of information
I guess the Pilot would have got a homemade mystery Gun for self defence 🤔
Ed I love your work, but I was very confused about the first words of this episode as I thought 'For China' sounded like a noun for something else...
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who heard it as that also.
I found this comment once I heard him say that
Very surprised at this as producing any aircraft under those circumstances must have been a technology and logistical nightmare.
A Chinese FockeWulf and Corsair.A very cute biplane. How many P40s were sent to China during WW2?
XP-0 shows some Vultee resemblance
...What was that very first word?
The people who made this plane had more standards than today's Chinese companies.
Try not to fire everything all at once, it loosens the nails & cracks the lacquer . . .
🙏
Every day is a school day....
Gaijin please.
Give em to the Finns, I'm sure they'd do just fine.
Very special looking aircraft ??????????
isn't this a P40 with a radial engine...?
Glad to see the Chinese R&D style hasn't changed since the 1930s...
there is no time to waste, make it as quickly as possible. again, there is no time, so dont test it
:)
The relationship of people's is not to be seen as nation's race but as species having to access water as fish seimmtobcold seas and cattle make for spaces and elephants think of tress or and waters mice if shrubs and chatting or cats to out
See a doctor, quickly.
Mr. Biden is up late again,someone has to go help him back to bed….
@@brianjones7660 At least he didn't provide aid and intel to putin, like your boy did. Oh, and then there's that whole insurrection thing...
Too late. No need to reinvent the wheel when the USA built so MANY GREAT aircraft.
They SUCKED at it then and still SUCK at it now. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂