Revolutionary; The Martin B-10
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Looking at the Martin B-10, it can be hard to remember that it was a revolutionary aircraft. But by combining multiple elements into its design that would become largely the standard in the ten years after it first flew, the B-10 truly was a ground breaking aircraft.
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Another fine airplane🛩 video....Thanks Ed 👀👍
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The Dutch did at least one raid on Japanese held Singapore with B10s, from the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia). I got this info from one of the pilots of that raid, with the same last name of mine, though not related. Its not a common last name. He was one of the B10 crews that retreated to Australia, where he stayed after the war, until he passed, in the late 1990s.
That's surely a very interesting bit of (almost) lost history. Many thanks for sharing.
Just imagine how much oral history has been lost with the passing of such mein.
I hope when they flew to Oz they carried their ground crew with them if possible.
A Dutch B10 is even featured in a comic series called ' The Flying Tigers', in the album Operation Tschiang. I remember that series fondly.
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I'm noticing that I really am fond of the early '30s aircraft, such as this, the Wellesley, the P-26 etc...Please keep up this excellent "series".
Willdo :)
I would like to see more videos of Polish and Czech aircraft, and the crazy French planes of that period (and post-WW2!)
This channel is superb and one of my top aerospace and weapons hustory favorites! 👍👍👍👍👍
@@Tordogor I know I've done at least one czech aircraft, and planning on doing some Polish ones soon :)
The elk bomber. Good one To do
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters so im going to assume it was originally the U.S. Army Air Service,then it became the Army Air Corps and then the Army Air Force and then splitting from the Army in 1947 to become the independant United States Air Force with any aircraft retained by the Army reverting back to the Arny Air Corps?
Great video as always. What I, as a Belgian, particularly appreciate is the fact you give the speed, range, payload etc values in imperial AND metric values. Very thoughtful of you!
The survivor in Dayton is a beauty
Sits near an even more beautiful P-6E.
That whole museum is beautiful ;)
@@Doug_Narby I'm spoiled enough to live near it. So awesome!
@@bryanewyatt the way things have worked out I’ve been there once every 20 years or so in my life and I’m due. Once as a kid with my dad, once as an adult with my dad, once as a dad with my kids. The last time I saw the CMH display out front for the first time, and just had to sit and “reflect” for quite a while.
I think it was donated by Argentina?
My father was a civilian machinist apprentice at Duncan Field (Later Kelly Air Force Base) beginning in 1939. He told a story about the B-10s that were tided down on the ramp. A tropical storm came through during the day. As the winds began to grow everyone in the hangers rushed out to turn the tails of the bombers into the wind. As the storm passed and the winds changed all the bombers again had to be turned. He and all his fellow workers were wearing mechanic coveralls which were blown open, ripping buttons away. The coverall became like sails making it even harder to work in the gale.
Great story, Chris😎
Yes, Great story! Thanks.
Fascinating stuff.
Basically the equivalent in terms of military aviation of what HMS Dreadnaught was for naval warfare.
Yes, very much so! Good comparison.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Such obsolescent aircraft and virtually anything that flew, would still be very useful for antisubmarine patrol during the "Second Happy Time" Early in 1942. Was this among them?
@@alan6832 Good question. Did the B-10 do much anti-sub work? Didn't the B-18 do the same?
@@Caseytify B-18 did, yes. They should have sent everything that could carry a radio!
I don't know how you do it, Ed. Consistently quality content, consistently released, and all with a bit of humor now and then. Thanks, sir!
It's because of support from you guys that enable me to do it. So thank you :)
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters hi Ed, another fab video. Would love to see you do a collaboration with Dr Mark Felton here on youtube
Do the Lockheed Hudson! It was to Australia what the B-10 was to the NEI. But better. It was the only aircraft the RAAF had at the start of the Pacific war that was able to operate in the face of the enemy. It ended up doing everything from CAS to NAV to supply and even A2A.
Do do do the Lockheed Hudson ......... Ed you're keen to show us how............. No hang on, that was the Funky Something
But anyway there could be mileage in it - quite a lot of early RAF Coastal Command work relied on Hudsons and they saw a fair bit of service around the Coast so there should be plenty to get your teeth into beyond what the Aussies were up to.
(Although, being Aussies they probably did some quite curious things with theirs).
I’m sure I’ve read somewhere that Hudsons were used as fighter cover over the Dunkirk evac! There must be a story in that
@@Farweasel - Necessity is the mother of curiousness.
Yes the Lockheed Hudson despite being a military conversion of the lovely Lockheed Model 14 Super Electra airliner as a light bomber originally produced for the RAF it served remarkably well during the war including Australia. Yes I agree with you that it should be done a video👍👍
One of my all time favorites among the obscure bombers of the wartime period! Glad to see it portrayed here, thanks Ed!
Man, I just loved that video. Until now I'd never even *heard* of the damn things. And they were kind of *pivotal* .
When you thhink you know a right lot about a field and then someone like Ed comes along with all these strange and to Brits at least obscure pieces of kit .... Its .... well ..... kind of salutory you know.
Great a new video from Mr Nash.
Coffee break viewing for today sorted!
I think a lot of people today forget things like, just for one example, the B-17 when introduced, was faster than most fighters anywhere on the planet.
Combined with our collective hindsight, we do not think of "big" and "fast" in the same thought all that often. Just like how the Chinook is faster than an Apache, but if you showed people pictures of the two and just asked "which is faster?", to random people on the street. 9 out of 10 would point at the Apache.
Point being: During the interwar period bombers were far more impressive in their performance relative to fighters than would be the case before too long.
This bit about speed is just one example of why people were so impressed with the potential of bombers prior to ww2.
edit: anyone who has ever been to or seen a tractor pull competition knows damn well that big can be damned fast too, while still pulling a lot of weight.
I'm always a little surprised by how quickly planes of this era became obsolete, even though I've watched it happen time after time. Happened to the early jet warplanes also - the price of being a new cutting edge technology.
TBD Devastator and F2A Buffalo were great examples of this: State of the art in 1937, obsolete by 1942.
Weird isn't it, periods of rapid development then eventually you get plateaus where planes seem to serve forever with occasional upgrades
Likewise. When you see the extended development and service introduction of current warplanes e.g. the F 35, which is in its second decade yet just getting introduced into service in many nations, the idea that an aircraft can go from cutting edge to obsolete within a few years is staggering.
@@marclaplante5679 Or,more recently, the F4 Phantom. A 1955 design,just like the Mig 21,McDonnell Douglas sold well over 5000 of the things. They are now being expended as air to air missile targets. You'd think their carrying capacity as bombers would continue their use,but no.
From state of the art to remote control target.
Now we have the B-52. The newest airframe is 60 years old, and they are expected to remain in service until 2045.
I suppose that some aircraft designs just age better than others.
The B-10 of the USAF museum was part of the material of a Aviation Technical School near my house, in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Great video! As a kid growing up in Dayton, Ohio I was able to see the only surviving example of the Martin B-10 more times than i can remember. It was and still is one of my favorite aircraft in the museum, In case some people don't know, the museum is completely free to the public except some optional activities once inside and only costs the gas and time to get there. I recommend getting a motel room and making it at least a two day adventure as there are four or five GIANT hangars to tour. That museum is the jewel of Dayton, Ohio!
Thank's for this video! This is the only video i have ever seen about this amazing and beautiful aircraft!
Bombers back then went out of fashion as fast as our smart phones do now.
"Man, you're still using a B-10? That's so yesterday, I have a B-17, it has waaay better killer apps."
"The bomber will always get through". In 1936 Stanley' Baldwin's nightmare scenario was dramatized in "Things to Come", a frighteningly prescient British science-fiction film written by H. G. Wells which depicted the devastating bombing of "Anytown" (London) in 1940!
I believe they were also used for anti-submarine patrols in the Caribbean. Very interesting aircraft - I wonder if the Martin 166 had the longest glazed canopy ever.
Holy crap, one I actually have heard of! Been a favourite of mine since I saw a painting of one in a kids book of warplanes back when. Excellent video as usual, Ed. 👍
Some fantastic film footage there; I like the B10s looks myself a mix of Art Deco and Disney character.
I've always loved this airplane, and so wish I could have seen one fly. There is just something so cool about it!👍
There are several B18 Bolos still flying (very similar). A fair number were preserved because they served stateside as trainers and sub hunters.
Amazing to think how quickly this "cutting edge" design became obsolete. Nice looking plane.
This Martin B-10 bomber in Dayton was originally an Argentinean Navy (ARA) Martin 139WAN, serving with the Comando de Aviación Naval (COAN) in the 1930s and 1940s.
Then it was used as a teaching aid in the Escuela de Educación Técnica #8 'Jorge Newbery' (Technical High School, Haedo, Buenos Aires province) for the students taking the Aeronautical Technician HS degree.
It was given (apparently) FREE by the ARA/COAN to the US Air Force Museum in the early 1970s; with the condition that this 139WAN was to be exhibited IN THE ORIGINAL COLOR SCHEME OF THE ARA/COAN.
It is shameful that the USAF Museum authorities could not be true to their word.
When Americans have integrity, flying pigs will be based at Duxford.
@@rosiehawtrey There's at least one flying pig writing comments on RUclips. Goes by the name "Rosie"...
There was the same with one of the two survivors of the Boeing P-26 Peashooter given the same way the ARA's B-10 by the Guatemalan Air Force (FAG) in late 50's...
Great to see you get some sponsorship Ed - ignore the numpties there are so many people who don't understand you've got to put food on your table and Google advertising dosent ever do that.
Thank you for keeping up the quality of these informative videos on lesser known or publicised historic aircraft.
You're more than welcome, I enjoy it :)
With all those observation positions and a bomb bay ... this looks like an excelent coastal patrol aircraft ..
Oh, I was hoping you'd get to this one. Thanks.
A friend who flew B-17s and B-24s during the war, came back and flew F-80s in the USAF. He got his initial multi-engine bomber training on B-10s.
Nice work! I love that you went through the trouble of finding accurate photos of each version of the plane, including the prototypes.
Very interesting. It's a reminder that while fans of WW2 piston aircraft technology tend to lavish their attention on the final variants of later aircraft, it was these early aircraft that showed the way or, in many cases, shouldered the early heavy load of combat that made the later successes possible. And the B10, with it's odd, knobby looks that seemed to exude that cool, steampunk mid-30s vibe, was the work of a true aviation pioneer and energetic entrepreneur, Glenn L. Martin, who also built another iconic 1930s aircraft, the so-called China Clippers flying boats flown by Pan Am.
Indeed used in numbers by the Dutch Colonial Army Air Service (ML-KNIL) in the Dutch East Indies and Malaya against the Japanese in 1941-'42.
They even shot down two Zeros with two of them. The crews received the second-highest Dutch distinction medal, the Bronze Cross!
And rightly so!
The Dutch award medals liberally, I've noticed. The "second highest", lol.
I knew of the B-10.
But not of their export versions.
Thank you.
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You are quite right that the B-10 influenced subsequent bomber designs. As I watched your video I glanced at the Lancaster model in my display case and was struck by how closely Roy Chadwick's team followed the front fuselage layout of the Martin in the design of the Lanc. Its an uncanny resemblance and in my mind, a tribute to a revolutionary Martin design.
So cool that one survives in a museum, I never knew the Dutch had so many of Them I tought they only had a few dozen.
Yes, I dont do enough justice by not going into more detail just how much fighting they did! But I have to limit it somewhere.
Dutch Martin's fought to the end.
There's one in the USAF museum in Dayton OH US.
Seems like they could have been a decent maritime patrol craft during the early part of the war. I would think it could carry one or two torpedoes or depth charges?
B18s did exactly that.
Thanks for the videos Ed... especially those covering obscure military aircraft. You have repeatedly educated me!
I recall a Technicolor movie from the mid 1930s featuring a slightly fictionalized version of the airplane that promised to revolutionize aviation. "Men With Wings." Missed by T H A T much.
Great video on a constantly overlooked but extremely important inter-war bomber design.
Visually, it reminds me of the Vickers Wellesley, which had that same "tandem cockpit" look to it, even though the Wellesley had only a single engine. Convergent evolution, I suppose.
Informative video Ed. I then routinely look at my full collection of 'Aircraft of the Fighting Powers'.
In Stockton, California there is a man who has a collection of older aircraft and the B-10 Flying Whale is one of them.
"inspired by what they demonstrated was possible."
Holy cow what a thought provoking idea.
The genesis of ww2 era bombers. Very interesting video, thanks.
Well, Americam bombers. If you want seriously odd designs, check what France and Italy built at the time
I think it's incredible that Nationalist China was able to actually get overflight over Japan! I wonder how the Japanese high command reacted.
Probably not impressed or the Dolittle Raid wouldn't have been as successful as it was
It's a subject I've thought of covering in a full video, but I think I covered most of the available details here.
One wonders if they had dropped bombs (which would have been largely pointless, I agree with the chinese there) if the Japanese might have been a bit more concerned with home defence earlier.
All speculation, of course.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters I'm sure the Japanese would have realised that if it could be done by 2 aircraft dropping leaflets it could have been done by 20 aircraft dropping bombs.
I really like the way you put these aircraft into historical context and evaluate their features for that period instead of just reciting the specifications like some other channels do.
Absolutely my favorite pre-war aircraft. It's svelte and purpose built. Thanks, Ed!
A new one for me. Thanks for the enlightenment!
It's ironical how fast was technological progress in the past, aircrafts became obsolete in less than five yrs, now there are models that are older than their pilots!
I love this aircraft so much, it's so ridiculous looking
At first I didn't think you were going to mention Siamese planes but you did! this made me really happy cuz Im thai anyways you gained a new subscriber I've only watched a few of your videos tho.
Sawadee Khab!
Not a lot of thai stuff on my channel, though did cover the thai air force saying they were interested in the f35. Plus a quite a bit about Burma, though the war, not so much aircraft.
Hope you find something of interest :)
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters ohh thx alot
This airframe competes with Soviet aviation of the same era for the Howard Hughes Award. ("Who even cares if it flies? Just look at it!!") Thanks for the great video!
Excellent story !! I was at Kelly AFB, Texas in 1976 as the B-10 now on display in the US Air Force Museum was being restored by the Texas ANG. The plane was found at a military range in Argentina and was barely recognizable as anything. When the work was finished, it was flyable. However, insurance regs prevented it.
Thing is,if there is just one left,what happens if it crashes ? I can really see why it was restored,an excellent way to teach and preserve skills. Especially if lots of photos and records were generated. But I can sure see someone saying "I am going to rain on your parade". We are keeping this on the ground." Who wants to be known as the guy who wrecked an irreplaceable airplane ?
Ed, I really enjoy your channel. Thank you.
Great video. We don't often hear much about these pre-WWII military airplanes. I find them very interesting.
I would have liked to see how the Martin B-10 would have performed had the war started 10 years earlier.
10:25 That greenhouselike streamlined cabin, that must be one of the latest versions. Is that WH3/ WH3A's?
Hi Ed . At last !! One l know ! Although l wasn't aware of all the varients ! Thanks Ed.
Lol always welcome John.
As a little boy I somehow ended up with a toy based on one of these, and I always thought it was so peculiar looking (especially the front turret).
Lots of great info, but with no bs/random footage like other sites!
My father served in the USAAC and began with the B-10 in 1940. He ended his service with the B-47.
I imagine his stories about all the different planes was great listening. That generation of people were so wonderful to sit down and chat with. The war vets started opening up more about their war experiences as they got older. They were fairly close lipped when younger about what they had been through.
Amazing the accelerated pace of aircraft development back then. In 1929 bombers were stringbag biplanes, by 1935 you had the B-17
love the b-10! such an elegent looking aircraft!
I thought it was Italian officer Giulio Douhet who said the "bomber will always get through," and he was the first officer to take airpower seriously enough to write the first treaties on airpower. I could be wrong or else it was Baldwin who used his quote, but if he did he certainly was on his game.
I confirm that it was general Giulio Douhet who started the theory of "bomber will always get through" and was contemporary of the 1920s air warfare advocates Walther Wever, Billy Mitchell and Hugh Trenchard. But was immediately pointed out as a radical and like Billy Mitchell went in trouble with the "authorities" but Douhet influenced very much Europe and USA and scared politicians and the population....
@@paoloviti6156 Thanks, you just named the two founders of modern air warfare from America and England.
@@schizoidboy you are welcome 👍
Fascinating. You done good, Uncle Ed! Easy to see why it was thought revolutionary when compared to the biplanes.
Baldwin was only quoting Douhet when he made that comment .
I think a few were given to us in the early 1940s on the lend lease but never made it to the UK they just stayed in Canada because they were obsolete at that time, if anybody has any information that they could let me know that’ll be great.
Interesting info about an important transition aircraft of the 1930s.
Nice one Mr Nash, knew little of this aircraft but it would seem that all subsequent WW2 US bombers can trace their lineage to the Martin B10.
That Tokyo raid story is fascinating.
I couldn't help myself I had to get the US version in war thunder just to fly around in one. Chinese tree has the export model..... 😅
odd take, but liked the somewhat art-deco styling
My scoutmaster Joe, was stationed at Hickam aarmy air corps base adjacent to Pearl Harbor in late 1941. He was a radio technician assigned to the Martin B 10 squadron. Because the Japanese attack happened on Sunday, he had been off the base. When he returned, he became very angry at the Japanese, because they had destroyed his Hangar along with all his tools. Unfortunately, he was injured during a subsequent maintenance flight and could no longer fly or take revenge upon the Japanese.
Thanks for another great video!
From certain angles, there are Lancaster-ish features and looks to the B-10
probably more accurate to say that from certain angles the lancaster looks b-10ish.
What you smoking ?
Excellent video on an important, but little known aircraft…”Nothing can stop the Army Air Corps!”
Another excellent video. Thanks.
This where I think combat flight sims should look next - 1920s and 1930s just to see planes like this in the air. And I must get to Dayton one day when I tour the USA!
This plane is in War Thunder. I own it and fly it in sim VR sometimes but they never modeled the cockpit unfortunately.
@@kyle857 I did look, thought it was a B18 in the WT tree but I am usually wrong. And yes, placeholder cockpits that are 5 years old and more when new content appears every month now.... get a grip Gaijin.
Great as always, Thanks.
I have always weirdly loved this crazy aircraft.
I've just watched the Mark Felton video on that leaflet raid by the Chinese on mainland Japan where I took the aircraft on the thumbnail, in a rear three-quarter view, to be a Tupolev SB 2 so that's interesting that a Martin B 10 was supplied to the Soviet Union, since I'm sure it must have influenced the design of the SB 2.
Remember what the BTs to the T34s owe to Colonel Christie USA 🇺🇸
Very good. Thank You
When are we going to see a video about the IAR-80/81 series of Romanian fighters?
There is one "bombing" operation the USAAC carried out on US soil that I know of. Dropping food to isolated Navajo families after a very heavy blizzard.
And Ed, if you're ever this side of the pond make three aviation museums must sees. The Air and Space in DC, the USAF at Wright-Patterson and the USN at Pensecola.
Also Pima Air Museum...just south of Phoenix.
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Also the Kalamazoo Air Zoo and others. Too bad you could not just wander around the Davis Mathin (?) boneyard.
Nice plane.
I would love an episode on the PZL 37
Be nice to do a more in depth discussion on Chinese “raid” on Nagasaki
Great video!
As daft as it looks many companies in other countries came up with the same solution to the same aerodynamic needs in the 1920's, we had a lot to learn and as it turned out a short time to do so. GB with the Blenheim and later the Wellington seem similar, interesting that Lockheed with the Electra seems to be more advanced, maybe thats why they became Lockheed Martin? Interesting doc it is good to see the miss steps made on the way to Concorde and the B2, were next I wonder.
If I remember correctly, it was an American army officer (Mitchell) who predicted that the bomber would be the tool to win wars with and that pearl harbour would be attacked by the Japanese too, using aircraft of a carrier.
The big air power theorist was an Italian, General Douhet. But I think you might be thinking of Billy Mitchell? He managed to show that warships were vulnerable to aircraft bombing and ended up court martialled.
No doubt Ed already knows these details, but for everyone else's benefit, the Army/Navy bombing trials of the 20s were unsuccessful in their intended purpose due to the differing objectives of the services.
The Navy wanted to use the trials to learn the effects of various bomb types and sizes on ships, so that resistance could be built into future designs. The Army wanted to prove that ships were obsolete in defending the US coasts and aircraft should become the only means of defending the nation. Meaning that the Army should get the prestige (and the bulk of the defense budget). In the end, the only thing proven was that unmanned, undefended, unmoving ships could be sunk by the primitive bombers of the time.
The most vocal advocate of air power at the time was General William Mitchell who was court martialed for insubordination, not for anything related to the bombing tests, but for going straight to the press to criticize his superiors in the War Department (who were not ardent proponents of air power) for their supposed negligence in the loss of the airship Shenandoah.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Indeed, Douhet helped to drive Mussolini’s dream of a 2nd Roman Empire when he said,
‘Visualise Rome as the centre of a zone with a radius of 1000km - normal range for a plane today - & you will find within the circumference the whole of the ancient Roman Empire.’
He also prophesied that one raid would be enough,
‘The guiding principles of bombing actions should be this: the objective must be destroyed completely in one attack, making further attack on the same target unnecessary.’
And if one attack wasn’t enough?
‘A people who are bombed today as they were bombed yesterday, who know they will be bombed tomorrow & see no end to their martyrdom, are bound to call for peace at length.’
As Ed rightly says, such views were negated by vast improvements in detection, AA defences & fighter technology. Douhet’s words were taken somewhat as gospel but he failed to take into account one rather significant issue ~ the almost unquenchable spirit of the individual human being. Even with formations of hundreds of bombers, London never broke and even with thousands of bombers day & night the spirit of the German & Japanese civilians may have wavered but was never truly crushed. Something which I find even more remarkable than the technology leaps from the B10 to, say, the B29.
Great video Ed, keep ‘em coming.
In the late 1970's, or early 1980's I saw what I believed to be a Martin B 10 at Mather AFB in Sacramento Ca. That Air Base had no Aircraft Museum. I could get NO Information as to were it originated and it's destination at the Base Operations desk. It was gone the following week. It was, I believe, air worthy. I wonder if it is the one on display mentioned in video.
Possibly. The one at Dayton needed considerable restoration, I believe.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters The one I saw looked Factory fresh. A lot of time, and even more Money had to have been put into it's restoration.
always wanted to model her in 1/4 scale
Proof that something can be ugly and beautiful at the same time.
Anyone remembers the Williams Brothers' kit in 1:72? When it was the only one available
Was not mentioned but the Philippines air corps had a couple of B-10s as well. Not sure what there combat record was against the Japanese.
Good video
Very interesting!
Excellent!
Cheers indeed.
Only one let and it lives in Dayton Ohio USAF. Its a very sharp looking plane, even today! :-D
It was the B-1 of its day!
Weird plane ..,........I like it!!
I'd like to see one on the xb-15 or xb-19 😁