I FINALLY Found Some GOOD 3D Printed Gears!! Bachmann Gen 1 4-8-4 J Class

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • Viewer sent in his Bachmann Gen 1 Norfolk & Western J class 4-8-4 Northern with the dreaded broken axle gears. it was out of time, motor would not run and gear reduction gears were broken as well. Took 3 days of work to get this poor ol Gal running once again.
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Комментарии • 367

  • @StephenCarlBaldwin
    @StephenCarlBaldwin 7 месяцев назад +30

    Please know that all the stress, unhappiness, and anger you've been through has spared the rest of us from having to go through all of that. Wow -- talk about a must loco to avoid!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +16

      I'm just trying to make humanity a better place for all ;-)

    • @MartinSBrown-tp9ji
      @MartinSBrown-tp9ji 7 месяцев назад

      A smart modeler would never buy any product made by Bachmann, they make junk@@classicmodeltrains

  • @131Basher
    @131Basher 7 месяцев назад +14

    The struggle is real! I gave up on Bachmann’s all together. Enjoy watching you work on them Ron!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +4

      It's like watching Rocky get punched in the face all the time huh? Then he wins at the end :-)

    • @1964catt
      @1964catt 6 месяцев назад +1

      there newer locomotives that are not splait axles are good, now if we only had a list of years bachmann used split axles on there locomotives i could avoid those years

  • @SMTMainline
    @SMTMainline 7 месяцев назад +3

    Good on you for trying to give this unit a second chance. These first gen Bachmann steam locomotives are such a nightmare, I don't know what the designers were thinking - I'd be curious to see how they ran straight from the factory. It's too bad so many have sentimental value otherwise no one would touch one with a 10 foot pole

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Hello Harrison, Thanks for stopping by and commenting. The designers probably wanted a more robust powertrain but its always the "bean counters" (accountants) that want it cheaper. The shells are always so well designed and look so good and then the powertrain is junk. Straight from the factory there ran well because the gears have not aged, shrunk, and cracked. They were horribly underpowered and noisy. Sounds like their diesel loco power trucks when underway. About every 2 months I feel like attempting another Bachmann repair from this era, just to educate modelers to stop purchasing these from the eBay and wasting money. :-)

  • @normancoreyBuildingTrains
    @normancoreyBuildingTrains 7 месяцев назад +18

    Great video. Unfortunately it's just bachmann. I buy the broken ones and build a chassis using old rivarossi parts. Bachmann makes the nice shells that rivarossi doesn't .A+ for your patience

    • @thelittletug9321
      @thelittletug9321 7 месяцев назад +4

      I love your videos man great stuff

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +6

      I agree! Bachmann shells are super nice!

    • @normancoreyBuildingTrains
      @normancoreyBuildingTrains 7 месяцев назад +4

      @thelittletug9321 Ron has really great videos and he is funny.

    • @frankmarkovcijr5459
      @frankmarkovcijr5459 7 месяцев назад +3

      Bachman used to have a lifetime warranty. Not any more 😢​@@classicmodeltrains

    • @keithhowell6833
      @keithhowell6833 7 месяцев назад +1

      Rivarossi chassis, my next move ☝🏿

  • @TheRobertSterling
    @TheRobertSterling 7 месяцев назад +3

    Hi Ron, thanks for taking one for the team. I can feel your pain, a friend gave me one. ....yeah a friend..lol. 😁. It was one of my first experiences with repairing...almost my last, but it wasn't. You did great at not throwing it the wall.
    As always, great video, thanks for sharing.

  • @OgdenTunkRR
    @OgdenTunkRR 7 месяцев назад +5

    Ron that little pancake motor and the magnets looks like the same set up in my Aurora model motoring HO slot cars can’t believe this is how they power those engines 😮

    • @2nd66tube2
      @2nd66tube2 7 месяцев назад +2

      It's all about the gear reduction

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +2

      A few Fellers have mentioned that Frank

  • @tricenow
    @tricenow 3 месяца назад +1

    Probably the best episode ever, between the tech the frustration and the actual Solutions, thanks for your hurt locker

  • @bigwoz78
    @bigwoz78 6 месяцев назад +1

    I worked on one of those months ago, not a repair just disassemble and oil. What a huge pain in the a**. I am done with Bachmann. Ron you have more patience than me. I probably would have thrown it away, or something like that, lol

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  6 месяцев назад +1

      Many have said the same thing. They would have made there's fly across the room ;-)

  • @josephv.agliatojr.851
    @josephv.agliatojr.851 7 месяцев назад +1

    Ron just gave a lesson in perseverance, adapt, improvise, overcome, you never give up, tremendous patience and very talented model railroad mechanic, regards, Joe

  • @azmike1
    @azmike1 7 месяцев назад +6

    Thanks Ron! You are a great mechanic!

  • @jimorlando5700
    @jimorlando5700 17 дней назад

    Wow 😮! You have the patience of Job! Great job!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  15 дней назад +1

      I was too deep into this repair to quit. Had to finish it. No Bachmann will get the best of me ;-)

  • @mloik1
    @mloik1 7 месяцев назад +3

    I have a pack of those same red micro files. I use them all the time. They're awesome. Welcome to the red micro file club.

  • @HARPO1ME
    @HARPO1ME 5 месяцев назад

    Found a source for different size tubing .They are in different makes of Pens and spray bottles . We all just throw them out .Had a vision one day .Hope this helps.

  • @Roadrunner4447
    @Roadrunner4447 7 месяцев назад +1

    I’ve been binge watching your videos I’m not one of the 33% lol I watch from start to finish love the content 100% ❤❤

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for all your support of my channel Roadrunner!!

    • @Roadrunner4447
      @Roadrunner4447 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains your more than welcome 🤗

  • @stevenwaller192
    @stevenwaller192 7 месяцев назад +4

    Wholly Moley!!!
    Herculean effort and it barely goes. Thanks Ron for the great entertainment. Wondering if…..
    taking all the drive out of the loco and making a tender drive loco?
    The other great thing would be a Park display on your layout. Erect a chain link fence big enough to surround the Locomotive. Weather ( paint rust on drive rods etc white wall the wheels) the. Sprinkle itty bitty white dots to represent bird poop all over!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +2

      Tender drive would be an improvement. Lots of these B Manns are doing static displays on lots of layouts im sure.

  • @joediberardino4419
    @joediberardino4419 19 дней назад

    Hell of a job Ron u the man

  • @charlesmorschauser5258
    @charlesmorschauser5258 2 месяца назад

    The Bachman toy era for sure much better now

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  Месяц назад

      Its too bad it took them so long to make a reliable product. They've made then pretty for a good long time

  • @jp_juice9233
    @jp_juice9233 6 месяцев назад

    I’ve been eyeing a few of these on the ePay and will do a lot of research before I pull the trigger on one! Thanks for the info, and all you do!

  • @darrenrawlinson6344
    @darrenrawlinson6344 7 месяцев назад

    As soon as the gear issue raised its ugly head a few years ago i sold all my Bachmann stuff. Even the brand new and un-run. I'm so much happier! We have to deal with the "Mainline" range, which uses the same system of split frame and you soon become a dab hand with the Superglue... You're entertaining and informative as always Ron!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Are you referring to the Walthers Mainline locomotives?

    • @darrenrawlinson6344
      @darrenrawlinson6344 7 месяцев назад +1

      No, these were a British range marketed by Palitoy but made by Kader and introduced in 1976. Well detailed bodies but terrible chassis with all the above problems. The N.E.R., J72, 0-6-0T was a game changer until the quartering went!@@classicmodeltrains

  • @JeffHanna-f3d
    @JeffHanna-f3d 7 месяцев назад

    As usual great content Ron. Between you and SMT Mainline you have convinced me over the years to never buy a Bachman of any kind. I will stick with my Athearn Blue Box and throw in an occasional Atlas and be a happy camper. Take care, Jeff.

  • @khtrains
    @khtrains 7 месяцев назад

    Fantastic effort, as always! I noticed another issue on this locomotive that would have contributed to the poor running. The plastic wheel centres have also popped out of shape and will likely be interfering with the rods. I've experienced the same phenomenon on a Bachmann Branch Line (British) model.
    The British locomotives from Bachmann (which were formerly Mainline brand) also suffer from split axles and malformed wheel centres, so it doesn't just affect their North American products!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      I did not notice the plastic centers being loose or causing interference with the rods. Ive seen it happen, just not on this P.O.S. Yes Ive heard the ones from across the pond are just as bad.

  • @SleeperBBQ
    @SleeperBBQ 7 месяцев назад +1

    Well Ron what can I say my friend, sorry you went through all of this frustration, but I knew if anyone could save me from the Ars wipe that ripped me off it would be you, I can only blame myself at 65 years of age you would think the saying if it's too good to be true, would be imbedded in my head buy now. I love these 484 J classes and saw my chance at an opportunity for a affordable loco and jumped on it, they say we learn from our mistakes. I do hope someone that is looking for one of these 484 J classes for their collection does some research and finds this very informative/educating video. We live in a different world today where people profit from another's pain. I must say you kept it together better than I sir. Thank You

    • @raymondleggs5508
      @raymondleggs5508 7 месяцев назад +1

      You're better off with Mehano(AHM), Lima, Fleischmann, Rivarossi (AHM), bowser and even tyco for older US outline steamers.

    • @SleeperBBQ
      @SleeperBBQ 7 месяцев назад

      @@raymondleggs5508 Thank You

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks SleeperBBQ, If it weren't for you pushing me I would never had done another Bachmann steamer. Although it was tough, the experience was well worth it. This will make working on the next one even easier. Perhaps 10 to 15 of them down the road I will have all the bugs worked out and maybe be able to turn these turds into a silk purse. Maybe :-/

    • @SleeperBBQ
      @SleeperBBQ 7 месяцев назад

      @@classicmodeltrains Cheers you earned it

    • @dw5304
      @dw5304 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@classicmodeltrains@SleeperBBQ if there are ever parts you guys need and can't find, please reach out :)

  • @trentmiller2870
    @trentmiller2870 7 месяцев назад

    Again, great effort Ron. It’s not lost on us craftsmen.

  • @lotsatrains
    @lotsatrains 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great job Ron and I would not be too hard on yourself because I think the repair was a complete success and I agree that the overall design of this thing is just showing it’s limitations and probably could not do any better brand new out of the box than it’s doing now especially with that shameful motor struggling and cocking everything to push the gears and causing the derailing problem that I remember from having similar Bachmann locomotives as a kid and always doing this.

  • @rinnmhor
    @rinnmhor 7 месяцев назад

    What a bugger. Always disappointing when it won't come good. Herculean effort to try and get there. We've a whole generation of BR steam locos by Bachmann with split chassis and split gears to match this side of the pond. Great video as always.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you. Yes I hear that Bachmann has infested pretty much the whole planet with this engineering problem.

  • @NotGavin
    @NotGavin 7 месяцев назад +3

    It sucks that they were designed poorly, they are for sure good looking locomotives! Oh well.. what can ya do. Excellent repair job Ron! I’m sure this one was a nightmare haha

  • @rgiordano8224
    @rgiordano8224 7 месяцев назад +1

    Boy or boy, patience young youtuber!!

  • @keepamericayisraelgreat5708
    @keepamericayisraelgreat5708 11 дней назад

    I made the mistake in purchasing an all-black with a white strip. The same thing happened to mine when waiting for parts....It never ends, fun times.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  11 дней назад

      Bachmanns aint no good. dont buy them. just my opinion

    • @keepamericayisraelgreat5708
      @keepamericayisraelgreat5708 11 дней назад

      @@classicmodeltrains Yeah, I found out the hard way...BUT!!! I can use the parts for fixing up a train down the line

  • @MozanaRN
    @MozanaRN 7 месяцев назад

    Your use of the tooth pick as a spring adjusting device will come in handy. I also like the small file set. I have one from years ago and will be looking for another set. My last purchase of a Bachmann steam engine was indeed my LAST purchase of this sort of locomotive. They look pretty and draw the purchaser to purchase one like a moth is drawn to the flame. Literally. Thank you Ron for posting this epic tutorial. Keep up the good work and best wishes. Sincerely, George.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks George. Sorry you got bit by another Bachmann

  • @BrianKunkler-c4d
    @BrianKunkler-c4d 5 месяцев назад

    Ron love your videos I'm not one of your 33%s I'm one of your 100%s. You are funny with your content and one of my favorite videos is the complete restoration of the bottom of the barrel American flyer. Wow what a restoration 🚂🚃 😊

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  5 месяцев назад

      Thank you! That A.F. repair was quit a turn over as well

  • @JerseyBill-x9r
    @JerseyBill-x9r 7 месяцев назад +1

    Well, I have to commend the fact that you held it together. If I would have spent that much time on that model the 10lb sledge would have done the final work. I do know that the springs need to be replaced before you get any power out of that under powered pancake motor. I cut the Athearn replacement springs in half. Great video as always.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for that trick of cutting the Athearn springs. Sounds like a good idea to me!!

  • @watchtrainsnow1099
    @watchtrainsnow1099 7 месяцев назад +1

    Sorry for your pain, but that was a funny video. I enjoyed very much!

  • @rwheatley0206
    @rwheatley0206 7 месяцев назад

    Glad you made it through that one without having a heart attack buddy. Great video.

  • @ratsbird
    @ratsbird 7 месяцев назад

    I am glad you had some success with his gears. I had success with his first production run. Had to file and glue them also. Good luck with more repairs on those Bachman's! Ratsbird, Richard T, West Fargo ND

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Fargo N.D.? Your from the Motherland as Well??!!!!!

  • @davidvincent9713
    @davidvincent9713 6 месяцев назад

    Nice job! Love all your videos!

  • @ecidaho
    @ecidaho 7 месяцев назад

    Wow Ron! I’m sorry that did not work out better!!! Virtually every Bachmann I own has broken gears (mostly N scale). It’s pretty to look at but dang… well best of luck with next project!!!

  • @doge_sevens
    @doge_sevens 6 месяцев назад

    im incredibly lucky, my friend bought me a gen 2 as a birthday gift last summer and it doesnt have any damaged gears or quartering problems, he didnt know that they had these issues as he models o scale but id say im lucky mine is in good running condition, i just want to replace the right side steam chest since it had that damage when he bought it initially

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  6 месяцев назад +1

      I hear there is some good ones out there

    • @doge_sevens
      @doge_sevens 6 месяцев назад

      @classicmodeltrains even with the can motor it's one of my weakest locos in my fleet, it can barely pull 4 coaches lmao, love your videos by the way

  • @bobmp3832
    @bobmp3832 7 месяцев назад

    Ron I just enjoy your videos. I prefer working on larger o and standard gauge myself(much easier to see). I’ve worked on several of these in the past and I could honestly say my outcome was nowhere near as good as yours. They usually end up at the landfill in tiny pieces. Keep up the good work.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      any more repairs like this one and I'm ready to switch to only O gauge ;-)

  • @UrMomsChauffer
    @UrMomsChauffer 7 месяцев назад

    Ron, I always appreciate your videos. These videos are extremely important and helpful. I now know to stay away from Bachmann steam. You also have a video for almost every type of loco I own, which means I can keep them running or fix them, instead of buying new stuff. You're a real lifesaver.

  • @DestroyertheRailwarrior
    @DestroyertheRailwarrior 6 месяцев назад

    The 611 is my favorite engine and there have been multiple occasions where I almost bought one of these off ebay, glad I watched your video. Love your channel and always rooting for you to complete a rebuild.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  6 месяцев назад +1

      Gen 2's are a bit better. But I would make sure NOT to buy Bachmann one no mater what version it is.

    • @DestroyertheRailwarrior
      @DestroyertheRailwarrior 6 месяцев назад

      @@classicmodeltrainsnoted thanks

  • @rusty.ramrod
    @rusty.ramrod 7 месяцев назад

    Congrats on 12K subscribers buddy....!!!

  • @TomzTrainzandAccessories
    @TomzTrainzandAccessories 7 месяцев назад

    Ron, you are hilarious. That Charlie Brown Trombone Teacher sound was great, and all your other happy sounds working on it. LOL However, this was an excellent video! Your patience to work on these is great! You were able to get the ole Bachmann up and running again. Tom

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you Tom. Always trying to make the videos fun as well as informative

  • @ekw221047
    @ekw221047 7 месяцев назад

    Hi Ron, Love your work, also am amazed at your patiance & perserverance, so thanks for your how how to, have read many coments and agree with them all
    So im thimking it should be Saint Ron 😀 hehe, shame in so far away or id join for a "frothy Top" or 2 but 12,000 miles is a bit far as im from down under Australia
    Eka a 33%, keep up your great work

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you for all your support!! I have a few Fellers from down your way that stop in for a comment or two :-)

  • @williambruceboisjoli8455
    @williambruceboisjoli8455 7 месяцев назад

    I feel your frustration. It took me 3 days and said enough, good work Ron

  • @thomasmoroney4993
    @thomasmoroney4993 7 месяцев назад

    My favorite channel video of the week!…well done!

  • @alberthofer679
    @alberthofer679 7 месяцев назад

    Hi Ron, the 2 center wheels might have to have the flanges sanded off to go around the curves . Lot of the steam locomotives only have flanges on the outer wheels to accommodate for tight radius. Makes me want to find my Niagara. Ron...u the man

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      I was thinking them wheels had too many flanges. Wished I known better and had a hobby lathe. Could have fixed that when it was all torn down

  • @NJEsperantist
    @NJEsperantist 7 месяцев назад

    It would be a service to Mankind if you did a video on re-motoring one of these Bachman engines. I bought one of these and it still runs. Only had to replace the brush springs and clean up the motor.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      it would take a heck of a lot of fabrication skills to re-motor one of these.

    • @NJEsperantist
      @NJEsperantist 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains Ah, but it would be a challenge!

  • @NextEevolution
    @NextEevolution 5 месяцев назад

    Really wanted a N&W Class J and bought one from the Bachmann Plus range (Bachmann Item Number 11315) with the can motor and brass gear/ flywheel combo. Not sure if that would make it a second gen or what but I do know I expected a better quality model for the prices I saw they went for and the price I ultimately paid.
    Really wish I saw this video before I bought it. I would have just avoided it. While the Class J I got does have the best smoke unit I've ever gotten on a model, I'm hoping i somehow avoid the broken axle and gear issues. The front screw holding the chassis was broken as soon as opened it from the box when it arrived....
    Great attempt to repair this locomotive. While i'm dissatisfied with my purchase, it is at least NOT one of these. Hope to see more of your videos on my feed!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  5 месяцев назад

      The brass gear & flywheel would have to be after the Gen 2. I have never encountered one of those yet. I hope yours is a good runner

    • @NextEevolution
      @NextEevolution 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains thank you sir! Love watching your videos as I repair my own locos!

  • @johnschutt9187
    @johnschutt9187 7 месяцев назад

    Sorry for the headaches. Thanks for the video

  • @RayBoebel
    @RayBoebel 7 месяцев назад

    Hey Ron, I think I have one of the split frame Gen 2 Chessie 4-8-4's. Sure I mentioned it before, but it obviously has the gear issue. I've replaced them 2 times. Still sitting in the repair box. Not sure it ever will get repaired

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Hello Ray. I have 2 more here that probably wont get fixed as well ;-)

  • @Tonyfishtail
    @Tonyfishtail 7 месяцев назад

    Your getting into heaven no doubt!! That really tested your resolve!!! I was really pulling for ya from the start! Your amazing. Great effort. Such a poor design its a nightmare. Love your vids keep em coming!😊

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Tony! I need all the extra credit I can get to walk thru the pearly gates :-)

  • @silvertrain7945
    @silvertrain7945 7 месяцев назад

    Hey Ron. Thanks for another wonderful video. I will take your advise and stay away from the Bachman steamers. I do have an old Tyco I should put on the operating table and see what kind of frustrations I can come up with. Have a good one!

  • @davidkaralus7464
    @davidkaralus7464 7 месяцев назад

    Well... your first video got me to take apart my GS-4, which is a gen 2 with the can motor. I also bought the parts from Dan. Upon arrival of the gears and axles, I identified that the drive gear was wrong. So, I then ordered the gen 1 set, and that gear was not correct either. I emailed Dan, and then sent him the gear I took out, and he made me one. I believe that is why you now get both types of gears in the order.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Crazy how they are making so many variations of these drive systems.

    • @dw5304
      @dw5304 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@classicmodeltrains yep, like I said I believe there are at least 2 -3 versions of gen1 so who knows how many others exist...

  • @garykellerup3470
    @garykellerup3470 7 месяцев назад

    Another fun video to watch. Good laugh too Ron. Seeing you angered and frustrated and knowing what you were in for. I knew you could get her done. Love your channel and look forward to Monday nights. Great job Ron. BTW...can I send you and old Bachmann to work on? LOL CYA next week. Thanks. G

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks Gary. I think my next Bachmann video's will be running them off the layout table

    • @garykellerup3470
      @garykellerup3470 7 месяцев назад

      LOLOLOL!!@@classicmodeltrains

    • @garykellerup3470
      @garykellerup3470 7 месяцев назад +1

      And I will be there watching brother. 33%er here in SoCal!

  • @Trains-and-Railroads
    @Trains-and-Railroads 5 месяцев назад

    What a bugar! That little motor!

  • @scottudave4499
    @scottudave4499 7 месяцев назад

    Another great video, I like that you had the maker of the parts on your show, great insight.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it Scott. Its nice to visit with the "engineer" of the part supplier

  • @dennisosborn5589
    @dennisosborn5589 7 месяцев назад

    Cool Video! I watched it all the Way Through! You're putting the Word Out for people that want to get their Ho Engines going, inspire of Mishaps! But it's how we learn too.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Yes. Thats why I leave all my failures in the video. Fellers can learn what TO do and what NOT to do. But it always works out in the end. Just like the movies from back in the day :-)

  • @WWIIREBEL
    @WWIIREBEL 7 месяцев назад

    I have one of those. I re-powered mine with a 5 pole, flat can motor. Had to customize the mounting for it though.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      That would be pretty cool to see that creative engineering!! :-)

  • @bluesboyst
    @bluesboyst 7 месяцев назад

    That was an amazing effort Ron.....

  • @AEStudt
    @AEStudt 7 месяцев назад

    Drove me crazy too Ron I'm slowly working on mine Gen 2 great video on this

  • @jameskleman5298
    @jameskleman5298 7 месяцев назад

    I got one and it really makes you pray when you use it😇

  • @johnblanton-fd3jf
    @johnblanton-fd3jf 7 месяцев назад

    Great video ! I could feel the frustration because I've been there many times as well . When you were working on the motor brush springs I noticed that they look like the springs and brushes for T-Jet slot car , hmmm, there may be some Frankenstein experimentation on the work bench ;-) . By the way , I have the same loco , runs great going straight until it hits a curve, looks good on the shelf though

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Yes these little can motors probably share some similar parts to the slot cars from back in the day.

  • @MattKonsol
    @MattKonsol 7 месяцев назад

    Nice video! Yeah seems like those first generation bachmanns like those ones can always have issues like those cracked gears.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Matt! 1st and 2nd Gen have the same problems with their plastics

  • @waynebehm7853
    @waynebehm7853 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for another great video Ron. You definitely have the knack. Your videos will be referenced for years. You are a legend in the making for sure. Trust me, I know, I am old. Can't wait until the next one.

  • @MygrandpasTrain
    @MygrandpasTrain 7 месяцев назад

    Boy, you sure went through a lot of suffering doing those 4-8-4 Bachmanns, but it is still educational. You know, Bachmann had the 0-6-0 which only had one split gear to replace and are a lot simpler to work on. I'll have to see if that guy can hook me up with parts for my 060.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      It was an excessively long repair for a pile of sh#* at the end

  • @ertransdiesel1860
    @ertransdiesel1860 7 месяцев назад

    Awesome video, what a patience Ron,its not worth it whith those awful Backman trains, for me they go the garbage

  • @elsdp-4560
    @elsdp-4560 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you for sharing.👍

  • @EmeryAdams-q7y
    @EmeryAdams-q7y 7 месяцев назад

    You have the patience of Job! I would have put that thing in the trash after about two hours of what you went through. Love your videos though, keep up the good work 👍

  • @n4pwx
    @n4pwx 7 месяцев назад

    🤠Good one Ron.

  • @scale_model_apprentice
    @scale_model_apprentice 7 месяцев назад +2

    I bought some 3D printed gears for my Bachmann U36B. They worked perfectly, and now I have a Brand New Engine!

    • @UrMomsChauffer
      @UrMomsChauffer 7 месяцев назад

      Do you have a name or link where you bought them?

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Right on!

    • @philobeddo6048
      @philobeddo6048 6 месяцев назад

      quick question where do you find the 3d printing gears , Thank's for your help , Philo From France

  • @normfredriksen1381
    @normfredriksen1381 7 месяцев назад

    What a great way to start my day.

  • @sfm_ferguson5033
    @sfm_ferguson5033 6 месяцев назад

    The Bachmann 2-10-4 has the same sized wheels and I fixed my bachmann gen 1 j class that way!!

  • @johnramirez5996
    @johnramirez5996 7 месяцев назад

    Got 1. That Norfolk . haven't taken it apart yet. My mic went crazy. Don't know if it is battery or mic. So haven't be able to mic brushes for Southern Pacific daylight steam engine. But on Norfolk some of the wheels have issues. Dropping them does that everytime. Hopefully I can save it with as little as 1 or 2 times taking it apart. But at least I can go back to this video and see 4,5,6, Through 10 😂jk great video woooosaaaaa relax just a straight beer and get us another video to watch! 😂

    • @dw5304
      @dw5304 7 месяцев назад

      Be aware I'm likely going to be working on fixing broken wheels at some point in the future, just have to get the funds for the hardware so there is a chance you can get ur wheels fixed without having to steal them off of other locos.... Not sure when but I'm currently planning on it.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Do you mean digital caliper? Yes them dang wheels do get messed up from a drop for sure. Thanks for watching :-)

    • @dw5304
      @dw5304 7 месяцев назад

      Nope talking about fixing the broke axels

    • @johnramirez5996
      @johnramirez5996 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains yes my caliper is messed up.

  • @leverettrailfan5414
    @leverettrailfan5414 7 месяцев назад

    I have a 2-8-0 of this design that belongs to me because I got it from a family friend. I need to tear into it again... I had it workin, but a wheel slipped on me again! haven't tried new gears, but am now considering it seeing as there's some hope of them not breaking instantly.
    Has the same bitty little can motor! I think the idea is the reduction gearing gives it the required torque... but definitely not born to compete with a proper sized motor!
    I think the reason for that weird, springy open gear might have been to act as a clutch if the wheels were binding up too much- instead of the motor jamming up solid and roasting, the gear would just spring away. Not sure how else it could provide any benefit to the mechanism. I bet the gear you repaired broke because somebody tried to turn the rear wheels by hand when the loco didn't want to run. What a pain- can't say you didn't try! Usually after this much fuss, I stick something up on a shelf and forget about it for a few years. Then find it again, and have better luck. Or screw up, and repeat!

  • @jamescotter5376
    @jamescotter5376 7 месяцев назад

    Great video I really enjoyed that you could tell you you're getting mad and I'm sorry to say I was laughing because he was the way it was happening I like the comment if it would have been mine you would have been against the wall that thing needed to go against the wall great video keep them coming thank you I really enjoy your stuff

  • @christopherdelgaudio9484
    @christopherdelgaudio9484 7 месяцев назад

    U are the man bro! Great vid as usual.now i know why i dont mess with steam engines!

  • @johnknippenberg-LandmarkYards
    @johnknippenberg-LandmarkYards 7 месяцев назад

    Made to break gears, the only way to go! 💯🤣 I like your toothpick spring stretcher idea. I get way more cop car sirens at my place. It sounds like an electric pencil sharpener. What about the classic model?

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Missed the Classic Model for this week. Video was so long as is I didnt want to make it any longer.

  • @rickestabrook4987
    @rickestabrook4987 7 месяцев назад

    Perseverance, Ron. You have it by the railcar.

  • @ArcadiaJunctionHobbies
    @ArcadiaJunctionHobbies 7 месяцев назад +1

    You gave a herculean and noble attempt to get it as far as you could. All I can think of is a CD player motor and run in for a few hours on a circle of track see if it can work itself right. Even so, such a shame you put all that work into it only to be left so frustrated. Something tells me you will sort this out eventually.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      I bet if it could get run in for awhile it would loosen up for sure :-)

  • @richardryan517
    @richardryan517 7 месяцев назад

    Helluva an effort. I was getting frustrated too.

  • @inscoredbz
    @inscoredbz Месяц назад

    I've often wondered if bachmann doesn't make their engines to break so we will buy more. It's always their gears. 60 year ild tyco and ahm still running fine, but a beautiful bachnann does good to last 5 years.

  • @jebbohanan2626
    @jebbohanan2626 7 месяцев назад

    I have three modern Bachmann steam locomotives
    2-6-0 flavor
    I certainly hope I never have the split gear issues with them.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      if there the newer DCC or DCC ready should be fine I believe Jeb

  • @Militiaman71
    @Militiaman71 7 месяцев назад

    I bought one like that but the grey Union Pacific with Vanderbilt tender All the axle gears were broken. Took it apart and saw the pancake motor. It now sits in a parts drawer. I just needed the tender anyway though the road numbers don't match the one that does run. The tender was a bit beat up also.

  • @RaymondThibaut
    @RaymondThibaut 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ron, Bowser Trains used to offer repower kits for these. They don't make Steam Engines anymore, but maybe you could find one in an old school hobby shop, or EBay, or a train show.
    A better solution would be to find a M.T. H. Locomotive version of the N.&W. J.

    • @RaymondThibaut
      @RaymondThibaut 7 месяцев назад

      Love your videos Ron!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Ive heard of these re-power kits but they are long gone or super expensive to acquire. Thanks for the compliment!!

  • @railfan475productions3
    @railfan475productions3 7 месяцев назад

    the problem with the last time you tried 3d printed axles/gears is they were incorrectly sized, that and you'd need some needle files to clean out the axle holes

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Yes but the resin was really brittle and broke. This resin was a bit more softer. Seems always need a bit of field machining for the final assembly

  • @keepamericayisraelgreat5708
    @keepamericayisraelgreat5708 Месяц назад

    I needed a good laugh again so I watched the video ( A -gain) for points on fixing 4 of my Bachmann overland 4-8-4s ( God Give me strength) Laughing, laughing

  • @alaskarailroad3996
    @alaskarailroad3996 7 месяцев назад

    Good try. I so much love your humor. God bless.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Try? I did get it running again. As good as the stock manufacturing could allow :-)

  • @philliprowe2656
    @philliprowe2656 7 месяцев назад

    I have a Bachmann Niagra like that but luckily it still runs well!

  • @weekendrailroader
    @weekendrailroader 7 месяцев назад

    I just convert these old Bachmanns into dummys. I use styrene tube by Evergreen to make new insulated axle sleeves. Once you get the quartering correct, JB Weld is an option to make the fix permanent.
    Maybe I'll try using a pair of NWSL Stanton Drive power trucks to convert a tender to a powered unit sometime.

  • @Dipplers
    @Dipplers 4 месяца назад

    Hello, I brought that exact j class, 600 and all, and 2 of the four axles and broke. I was wondering if using liquid nails would work to glue the axles back together?

  • @jdenm8
    @jdenm8 7 месяцев назад

    I wonder if the axles for the UK Bachmann locos would also fit these GS4s. The axles on the Bachmann Branchline split chassis locomotives have exactly the same issue with the plastic shrinking and then splitting. They have the same two generations, round key and square key. Even the motor looks like the same white plastic piece of... in my Palitoy Mainline Class 03 shunter (which was manufactured by Kader as well). Presumably these GS4s don't sound how the Class 03s do: like a clockwork toy.
    Axle splitting is enough of an issue over there that one of their specialist parts vendors, Peter's Spares, has the axle sets injection moulded in mass in China like the originals. Bachmann only released x-6-x locos over there though, you'd have to buy two packs of replacements to get enough non-geared axle centres. A bit expensive for me to do here in Australia though, I'd have to import one of these basket case Bachmann 4-8-4s.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      I'm sure the manufacturing issues spread globally. I would like to find out more info on this Peter's Spare's Feller though

  • @DavidJeggo
    @DavidJeggo 7 месяцев назад

    Great video…how many shorts did you go through? Keep up the good work…

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Just the one. I refused to shower or shave until this project was done ;-)

    • @DavidJeggo
      @DavidJeggo 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains well your a credit to the hobby Ron…hope we can share a barley pop some day…

    • @DavidJeggo
      @DavidJeggo 7 месяцев назад +1

      Shorts? I meant shirts…sorry for the phat fingers…

  • @dalerobertson9394
    @dalerobertson9394 7 месяцев назад

    Yikes! What a hassle. Yet, you probably got it the best it can get for now.
    33%er.

  • @robstrains441
    @robstrains441 6 месяцев назад

    I have 3 of them bought 2 to repair one ordered those gears twice still no luck,I bought a brand new one from a estate sale never run ,put on track and it ran beautifully,so one day I tried running it again,to show on my utube channel , guess what motor cooked, I took motor out of another one it lit up and smoked,so mines a dummy I can put it behind a diesel and pull it I’ve spent over $300 on these three and 3 days work ,wife is ordered a new one with can motor.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  6 месяцев назад

      Wow!! you've gone through a lot to get a Gen 1 going again. Hope the Latest Generation they offer makes you happy :-)

  • @asteroidrules
    @asteroidrules 7 месяцев назад

    It's kind of amazing that Bachmann managed to put such bad gearing on this thing. I've suffered through gear replacement on their Shays a couple times and thought those were bad enough.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Shays.....HOLY MOLY!! Yup them are a tough row to hoe for sure!

  • @jamesworley9172
    @jamesworley9172 7 месяцев назад

    Hey Ron, 33 percenter Jim Worley here. I Have a Question.
    Is there a model railroad Blue Book Site out there that you would recommend? I have some early HO models from the late 40's and 50's, (Ulrich, Silver Streak, Roundhouse, Varney Ambroid) and some from the 80's, 5 Brass Steam Locomotives and two Hobbytown F-7 Powered Chassis with centrifugal clutch Flywheel. Also I have tons of Wood Structure Kits by Campbell, Dyna, and Fine Scale Miniatures. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Keep the vids coming.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Hello Jim. Thanks for your support of my channel. a Blue Book site? Like for prices? I use the Ebay "sold for" section to research what fellers are paying for stuff. If you have super rare items that have not sold recently on the eBay it wont help you. I guess a Feller has to do a lot of research to know what to ask for stuff you wanna sell. No pricing site is around that I'm aware of for HO stuff.

    • @jamesworley9172
      @jamesworley9172 7 месяцев назад

      Ya, guess I neglected to say I'm looking to see what this stuff is worth. Got some feelers out with Local Clubs.
      Took a 40 year hiatus from Modeling during my RR Career with the BN/BNSF. Retired now and bringing stuff out of mothballs and refurbishing as needed for starting a little Point to Point RR. Your Vids have been a huge help in refitting this older stuff with new components; especially couplers.
      As old as this stuff is, it may end up as an Operating Museum.
      Thanks Ron Luv the Channel.
      Jim Worley
      @@classicmodeltrains

  • @alberthofer679
    @alberthofer679 7 месяцев назад

    My Niagara has all flanges too , maybe the inner 2 the wheels are supposed to be in farther ( out of gauge ) just a bit to go around the curves? Good question because I used to run mine , well .. 35 years ago. My riverossi Hudson's have center flanges off so are my marx .

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Smaller than gauge in the inners sounds a lot easier than lathing the flanges off that's for sure. Sadely I glued these while assembling so I cant push them in any more

    • @alberthofer679
      @alberthofer679 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains hmmmm , do u have extra shafts ? Maybe run the wheels under warm water to loosen them up ? Idk just ideas or 🚮 just kidding

  • @jamesbach2021
    @jamesbach2021 7 месяцев назад +1

    Better double your beer ration after that one! Talk about tough sledding!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      I agree. a 2 day bender seems like the proper reward ;-)

  • @shnorth888
    @shnorth888 7 месяцев назад

    Bowser does or did have repower kits out for some of these Bachmann steam locos with the pancake motors.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Did about 30 years ago. They are rare as Hen's Teeth I hear

  • @ededwardson6074
    @ededwardson6074 7 месяцев назад +2

    Could a CD motor be retrofit and could brass tubing help or wrapping thin wire around split gears? Just thinkin.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      A CD motor could be installed. Just depends on the level of fabrication one is capable of. Wraping wire around the gears does not work. I did a video using brass tubing sleeves on a Gen 2 loco. mentioned that video in this one.