I tried a bunch of Scotty Cameron putters, and none of them made any difference. I then tried four Lab putters (DF 2.1, DF 3, Link, and Mezz). The Mezz was too light for me, but I nailed a bunch of putts with the Link and DF 3. Then came the weird-looking DF 2.1. Wow. I sunk a load of 15’ putts. I went to a different store and tried it again two days later and had the same results. I waited a few more days and went back and once again had the same remarkable results. I decided to order a custom built version. It’ll finally be here in a few days. I can’t wait….
I did one of those putter fittings with the fancy diagnostic machine. The Scotty milled mallet did well, but the absolute best performer (which I bought) was an Odyssey Ai One milled mallet.
I own a 2012 black mist Newport 2 Cameron putter and it is beautiful and the feel is fabulous. I bought it new for $400. However, the best putter for me on a pure scoring basis is my gammer: a PING 2023 Anser 2D with a midsize PING grip. The PING is staying in my bag.
As long as you've got a milled face putter with decent balancing, there is absolutely no need to overspend on a putter. Like any other club in golf, it's all about the user. A scotty isn't going to give you the right line and pace all by itself.
Totally agree, as a putting coach said to me it’s about technique and can you read the line. You can then use any design of putter and play well. We will all have preferences I like blades, with milled faces I don’t like inserts they for me deaden the contact
I used to think milled, balanced, all that blah blah mattered too... That is until I played with a guy that had NO putter in his bag at all. Used his driver as his putter. No B.S. Story was that he had the best stats of his life in a tournament he was playing... like tour level F.I.R and G.I.R, but his putter let him down so badly that he didn't even finish top 10. Immediately after the round he threw his putter in the pond off 18. Next time he played he meant to grab one of his other wands from his garage but forgot, so he putted with his driver the entire round. Finished with 24 total putts that round and just never looked back. I'll never forget the day I played with him because my father and I hated our lives after seeing the guy sinking 20ft putts with his driver lol 😂
Early version circle T Napa in the bag.. Rotates with the new 2022 Wilson staff 8802. Not left handed, not even a Phil fan, but I love a heel shafted putter with no alignment aids on the head 😂
I ordered a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Tel2 Trillium after Tiger won The 1997 Masters... Took six weeks to get. Loved that putter... Also had a Pro Platinum Newport 2 and a couple of Super Selects Newport 1.5 and 2 and a Mizuno Bettinardi Black Carbon Newport Style 2...
I have a fake lefty Scotty I use as my office putter that was $75. The fact that someone put the effort into a counterfeit lefty is hilarious to me and I had to have it. It putts very well and you really can't tell just looking at it.
I bought a Coronado 2 off eBay about 5 years ago...sent it to the custom studio for a complete refurbish. Had it shortened to 34". Never felt like I hit it consistently solid. Felt like I was always hitting it high on the face. Finally sold it, on eBay getting about 75% of my original spend. I have an Odyssey White Hot and an old Spaulding TPM that I alternate between...not sure why it always felt so "thin"...Best decision ever letting it go.
I own a Newport 2, but never really felt confident with it. I tested a Phantom X 5.5, a couple of years ago and fell in love. It completely changed my putting game. I feel like it has to do with the larger head real estate and esspecially the weighting, which feels super comfortable for me. Horses for courses, I suppose, but there is something to be said for the newer generations as well.
i have a 2004 studio design 1.5 and absolutely love it... stopped buying new ones because like you said... they just seem more expensive for no particular reason imo...
Fun video which reminds me how I “saved money” on my Scotty Cameron putter: Trying putters one day in the big box golf store (as you do) I imprinted on one particular Scotty Newport. Sank everything on demo surface that probably slopes to the hole. But it was too expensive ($700) and I’m a high handicap not good enough to justify a new Scotty. Instead I bought a very abused and dented used one on FB Marketplace for $200 and spent days sanding and polishing out all the dents. Looked great but still didn’t have the putting magic so I put in heavier weights and reshafted with a very expensive KBS graphite shaft cut longer (I’m tall) and gripped with a pricey matching Superstroke. I also bought a putting mat and did putting drills every day for months. Magic Unlocked! My putting stats improved dramatically and it’s all because I bought a Scotty Cameron, I’m sure it has nothing to do with practicing for months. I tell everyone about all the money I saved buying used, never mind spending just as much and probably more customizing it to my taste.
I thought his insert line of 2018 was phenomenal. Great feedback and perfect feel when struck perfectly. The new mallets are great, but you are going to lose some feel when you are making a mallet - just common sense!
I have a SC Phantom X 5 and love it. Looks good, perfoms really well and makes me happy owning it. Not for everyone as thankfully we all have different tastes.
I had a Scotty Big Sur broomhandle when I had the yips and it was great, managed to beat them & got fitted at Titleist at Craigielaw and ended up with a Phantom X8.5! I putted brilliantly with it but went back to a blade with a Mizuno M-craft 4 which has the deeper head front to back and love it! Reverted to my old “Nicklaus” stroke and putting well again! Still have the two Scotty’s though!
The best putts I ever made were with a bullseye putter. Jack used one once when he was struggling and it solved his problem. Those brass heads give you a really good feel. I would maybe wrap the grip with some foam tape if I were to change anything. That way I could put indexes on the grip so I grabbed it the same every time.
I have a 1.5 Newport and love it. However it has been replaced in recent times with a mizuno mcraft 1. It was the only thing that could prize it from my bag. Enjoying the extra weight.
I found a red x2 in the thrift shop in mint condition for 3 bucks and it's still one of the best feel and sounding putter made. If you look on their website even scotty says that it was one of his favorites.
I still use a Titleist Dead Center Putter that's about 40 years old. I putt better than all of the guys I play with who have spent thousands on putters over the years. The bottom line is, find something that feels right for you, and then put in hundreds of hours practicing with it. Practice is the best way to improve your putting.
I have a California Honey Dipped Del Mar from 2011ish. I absolutely love it, I will never change. That’s the peak for me. Even considering getting it refurbished by them to have it look mint again.
I’ve had a Newport 2 for years - absolutely love it and can’t think of a reason to buy anything else. Regardless of make or model, if you like it and you putt well with it, why would you want to change?
Scotty's are a status symbol more than anything else and I own one. I have a Pro Platinum that's in mint condition but I've used a Yes! Tracey ever since it came out because it feels and rolls the ball better than my SC putter ever has. The one SC putter I really loved but I couldn't have afforded was the first Terrilium(sp) ones like Tiger used when he first turned pro. The down side is the finish was awfully fragile. My friend bought one and it started to rust just from playing in the rain. The fertilizer from the course also ate the finish off on some spots.
I have two Scotties. Center shaft Golo a friend gave me and Scottie Futura 6 that I bought. The putter I play with is a.PXG Closer with two 15 Oz weights 95percent of the time the other putter I play with is. Meridian oil can finish putter which is just as good as the PXG.
@@andybt3989 I bet they do. If you have a putter you like the look of behind the ball, it helps confidence, which improves performance. Doesn't mean it needs to cost a lot of course.
I used a Scotty Cameron Teryllium for the better part of 20 years. Loved it, but I couldn't putt with it. Switched to a Spider and holy sh*t I can putt. On the SAM putt lab, my efficiency and accuracy numbers were ridiculously good. Great putting is all about can I hit my line with the intended speed. Anything outside of that is a different skill. Green reading is essential but doesn't factor into how well you rolled the ball. More great putts are missed than made.
I have the phantom 12 and it's great for me, I also have a Tri-hot 5k double wide and a PXG Brandon with an M16 shaft. The Scotty is a mallet and I really do love it, I'm not that keen on the tri-hot and the Brandon being a blade is pretty damn good as well as good on the eye. The reason and only reason I have not picked up a Scotty blade is there are just too many fakes out there, for my untrained eye it's just a minefield. Buying from golf clubs for us for example I would feel I'm paying well over the top for a second handclub. So I guess it's the more modern stuff like the Phantom 12 for me, I picked mine up in as new condition for just £180 and I'm pretty damn sure it's no fake or if counterfitters have even bothered to try copying them.
I have a 2018 Scotty Select Fastback, my first Scotty, and wouldn’t change it for the world. Such a lovely soft feel off the putter face. 2nd hand from golfbidder and with trade ins only cost me £70. Bargain!
I loved my Cameron studio 2.0. Wish my bag hadn't gotten stolen with it inside but such is life. But since I play hardly ever anymore I can't justify buying another Cameron. But it would be an older model for me for sure .
I think the answer to why Scottie Cameron don't re-release the older putters is because of value. If they do a second run of the older version, without making it different, it would hurt the value for the original run, and it would hurt the brand, as people collect them. I have a futura x5r that is going about $100 less than what I paid for it several years ago, in the second hand market. Honestly, I think they are re-releasing them, just giving them different names/branding, while trying out a couple different designs, and we don't have to give up an arm and a leg to get our hands on one, if we desire to buy one.
I bought my Scotty in 1997 straight after Tiger won The Masters. A Tel 3 Santa Fe which now lays gathering dust as I use a Mizuno M-Craft mallet. Does it look as good or feel as good as the Scotty? No. Do I hole more putts now….yes!
Bit like 'you should drive a Volvo' but you really want a Porsche. Scotty's are iconic. I also think you play better with kit/equipment that you cherish. Got a bunch of Scotties and enjoy them all but found the Newport 3 and love it - suits my eye and looks sharp.
Sorry mate but I think it's more like you should drive a new Volvo or VW with power steering, great suspension and handling, but really you want to drive an old mustang. It looks wicked, everyone goes wow, but the tech in it is ancient and it doesn't drive anywhere near the way a modern car does. That's a Scotty Cameron. No new design or technology just rehashed old ones with new paint jobs. Yes it can get you from A to B, yes it's not terrible. But really they are charging you exorbitant $$$ to look good on the course, not any RnD to actually make a better product
Find a putter that looks good to your eye. Who cares about brand. I’ve had several Scottie’s over the years and still have 2 classic ones. (tei3 Newport), (studio style Newport 2). Currently gaming a Spider X. I find myself making putts when I least expect it. Love the feel and alignment also
No desire for a new Scotty, but the old ones are works of art. I have several in my collection and I putt better with them than I do the new Odyssey and LAB putters, which are absolute abominations to look down at. Give me a 20+ year old Santa Fe or Pro Platinum Mid Slant or Circa 62 No 2, and I will drain putts all day long.
Studio Stainless Newport 2 (not the Newport you actually used James) is the best putter Scotty’s ever released to the public. It’s basically the blueprint for all the modern Gallery/Circle T putters
I have a SC Champions Choice (2023) and I bought it because it's a beautiful piece of office art for my golf collage, lol. But I don't game it because my putting is no better.
Haven’t tried the LAB yet, but i own 11 putters & my newer scottie newport feels amazing. Maybe i’ll take my RORS Nike Method out of the plastic one day…
Scottys are nice to look at and have a good feel, but I putt well with a cheap Teardrop putter. 14 single putts in a round is my record. Ok, they weren't all for birdies, but it's what looks and sits well for you. I'm convinced that most golfers use putters with shafts that are far too long for them. Shorter means more feel and control.
Great Ping grip on your brother’s putter. 😂😂 Said it before don’t see the thing with Mr xerox- have the ever released an original shape and not one they copied from Ping or even Odyssey?
Well said. I've always been a function over form person - Yorkshire engineer rather than artist. For me, only results count at golf when choosing equipment - no points for artistic impression (or financial impression).
@@theythinkimmadyouknow Where's the joy in spending cash on the latest and greatest only to see puts rolling past the hole. Even if the results are the same (probably will be, since it's personal skill that makes the difference) where's the joy in paying more for the same? Where's the joy in hitting 45 puts with a $700 dollar putter with your friends looking on thinking "he's got cash to burn". If you buy a $700 putter and then hit 28 puts in the next round - you have joy. Do you believe that happens to lots of SC putter buyers?
@@ianburton9223 do you feel the same about everything? Surely everyone shoudl be driving a Dacia (sorry dont know the US vesrion but think cheapest most basic car you can) as it does the same thing as any other car? The joy is in owning something you love, maybe something you have worked hard to be able to buy, in feeling good whenever you use it. In my case my putting has got better since owning a SC, I love looking down at it and feel a joy in putting.
@@theythinkimmadyouknow Then it looks like you got the better results, so good choice for you if you are convinced the strokes gained are good value for the price you paid.
I’ve never gotten along with Scotty’s. I always thought it was the slower greens i usually play in the Uk . They seem better suited to tour speed greens
Damn that old SC Newport is going for $249....🤔 Might be time to let her go...it's collecting dust😅😂 Edit: I enjoyed the old black carbon series he had. Like the JAT, or the more blade models in the black carbon finish. So soft and responsive. It's hard to justify the $ on SC when you can go to a smaller independent putter company and basically design the putter from scratch, like head material, headshape, weight, hosel configuration, toe hang, grip and lastly loft/lie. I miss the old Byron Morgan, or Scratch Golf Company where you had all those options...so cool 😎
I was in a golf store recently, not to purchase a putter but while in the store I picked up a $450.00 putter , hit a few balls, same results as always. A salesman as if I I needed help with anything, I said no ,I just wanted to try a an overpriced putter, how’d you like it he said, same results as always, we both laughed! There’s no effing way I’d spend that much $$$ on a putter, it ain’t gonna make a difference!!!!!
Around 2000 a friend bought a Scotty Cameron putter, wasn't fitted or anything, but with a couple of weeks he was saving 10 shots a round from his previous putter. A real game changer.
I think a lot of it is that they used to be the premium product. Now days all manufacturers have a premium line and the likes of lab are more expensive and arguably more premium
I've had the OG Futura putter in my bag for several years. I just don't see the need for any more Scottys. I don't have the means to collect the more artistic styles and don't really want to. Rather have some fancy Japanese blades that no one should own 😂
having never used a scotty putter it hard to say but when i speak to the guys in the shop at work, they try to justify the cost for the milling and the design and the heritage... i just dont get it... i've hit a few putts but they dont feel all that better than my current flat stick from SeeMore...
Scotty Cameron has always done well with blade style putters for players that have a moderate to strong arch in their stroke. But for players having only a small arch, or are straight back-straight through players and\or are looking for a mallet putter they just don't have any compelling offerings. And I'm not sure Scotty Cameron ever had a product that was for that demographic.
I don’t really think that SC putters have had any serious technological advances in years. They pretty much use the same weighting concepts that putters have been using for a good while. The reason SC putters are liked is mainly due to Tiger Woods. If Tiger never used one, I doubt many people would be so stuck on them. They are very good quality. But there are other putters that have much better tech in them, such as LAB. But putting is so personal and it also depends on what suits your eyes. I used a LAB but I couldn’t stand looking at it. It did perform well. Who knows maybe sometime later on I’ll get used to an LAB because I do think they are onto something.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a left handed blade putter that is shorter heel to toe in length? Most blade putters are too long looking to my eye
I've gotta bunch of SCs, including five(5) ⭕️T's. My current Gamer is a X9.5 Proto, which while it obviously has a different feel from my Anser designs along with my Napa models, which were actually the last blades in my bag, to me, it is not a "better" feel or an "inferior" feel, just a different feel, similar to the difference in feel from a Player's forged MB & a Player's forged MCB or Player's CB. For me, "different" does not equate to better or inferior. Are Scottys of today or even Scottys of a decade ago as "good" as say, my Scotty Mizzy Reason M-300(#84/99)? Hell no, I don't think so, though now I'm startin to sound like my Grandpap😂😂 "Back in my day, the putters were hand cut, hand milled, yada yada yada" 😂😂 They're still superb sticks and if someone doesn't like em, there are a lot of great putters out there to choose from!! Stay Well Brotha👊 Fairways & Greens 4ever My Friend⛳️ RP
Um, the "Brutal Truth": Take a Ping Anser blade putter from 30 years ago (current cost around $15-$25 used), add a milled face and some weights on the bottom and VOILA! $500!
Because most of golf is in the mind and pulling a ‘Scotty’ out of my bag just still feels great. A Volvo will get you from A to B just as well as an Aston Martin - it’s better value, and is the sensible decision, just as Clark’s shoes and courduroys are - HOWEVER, some of us aren’t that boring……………..
Milled in the USA, what if it was milled in Cleethorpes on the same model mill with the same tooling ? Milling is milling regardless of location. Scotty's are way above my budget anyway , even used ones. Still enjoyed the video though James.
False my brother, they used a GSS insert in that putter.. this is why older Scottie’s are better hands down. Back when that putter came out it was in the hay day of his name not being so big, they did the sss body with a GSS insert. It’s on the archives
@@Original_BenF Those are rather obtuse replies. I asked a simple question, to which, with your expert knowledge, you could have replied GSS means ... Instead, you ask me to go look at the bottom of the putter. Does that mean you do not know what GSS means? I saw the reply from James about German Stainless Steel as opposed to Standard Stainless Steel. Apparently the benefit of German Stainless Steel is "Exceptional Sharpness and Edge Retention". I have no idea how a product used for high quality knives has anything to do with putter performance. It all sounds too much like marketing snake oil speak rather than real pragmatic benefit for putter performance.
I’m a big Scotty fan and have used my original 2 from 30 years ago . Nothing I’ve tried looks or feels better. Labs are great if they look good under your eye but if they don’t you won’t make a thing . Just for the record Cameron’s new stuff over the last decade sucks from a craftsmanship standpoint.
Much prefer my Ping putters - B61, Zing (BeCu), Zing 2 and Anser. Don’t have time for fang shaped putters. Waste of mega bucks cash. I think putters are vastly over engineered and are only as good as your technique. You don’t have to spend loads to find a putter that works for you…
Agree, mid 90's earky 2000's was peak. Look at the modern tour stuff and its basically those with stamps and finishes. Adjustable weights to a model feel terrible compared to solid piece models.
The only things you need to consider for any putter to work just fine are (1) whether you naturally favor a toe hang model and have a bit of arc in your swing, or a face balanced model and swing the head straight back and through, and (2) whether the grip feels comfortable and helps you swing the head your way, be it thick or thin, pistol style or straight, round or square or triangular or oval in profile. It’s important that your hand holds the grip exactly the same way each time, falls into position naturally without thinking too much, because a slight change can alter the path and cause a slight in to out or out to in move, or slightly closed or open face, either of which can make you just miss that 6 foot straight putt to the left or right. You even see pros miss like that when it might cost them $50,000. So never get angry if you miss, just think why, try to learn, and move on.
Imagine Scotty made drivers instead of putters. Essentially they would just keep rehashing the same driver from 10-15 years ago but with slightly different paint jobs and no real new tech, and just kept charging more and more for it... And people would keep buying it 😂
I tried a bunch of Scotty Cameron putters, and none of them made any difference. I then tried four Lab putters (DF 2.1, DF 3, Link, and Mezz). The Mezz was too light for me, but I nailed a bunch of putts with the Link and DF 3. Then came the weird-looking DF 2.1. Wow. I sunk a load of 15’ putts. I went to a different store and tried it again two days later and had the same results. I waited a few more days and went back and once again had the same remarkable results. I decided to order a custom built version. It’ll finally be here in a few days. I can’t wait….
I hope you do great with it... Somehow, though, I bet my life you start to hate it inside of a year... Just the trend I've seen at my local club.
Interesting.
@@mkcnad4everWhy have the golfers you've seen start to dislike them?
I did one of those putter fittings with the fancy diagnostic machine. The Scotty milled mallet did well, but the absolute best performer (which I bought) was an Odyssey Ai One milled mallet.
I own a 2012 black mist Newport 2 Cameron putter and it is beautiful and the feel is fabulous. I bought it new for $400. However, the best putter for me on a pure scoring basis is my gammer: a PING 2023 Anser 2D with a midsize PING grip. The PING is staying in my bag.
As long as you've got a milled face putter with decent balancing, there is absolutely no need to overspend on a putter. Like any other club in golf, it's all about the user. A scotty isn't going to give you the right line and pace all by itself.
Totally agree, as a putting coach said to me it’s about technique and can you read the line. You can then use any design of putter and play well. We will all have preferences I like blades, with milled faces I don’t like inserts they for me deaden the contact
But they look great so why not?
Cleveland HB SOFT 2 is the best bang for your bucks.
I used to think milled, balanced, all that blah blah mattered too... That is until I played with a guy that had NO putter in his bag at all. Used his driver as his putter. No B.S. Story was that he had the best stats of his life in a tournament he was playing... like tour level F.I.R and G.I.R, but his putter let him down so badly that he didn't even finish top 10. Immediately after the round he threw his putter in the pond off 18. Next time he played he meant to grab one of his other wands from his garage but forgot, so he putted with his driver the entire round. Finished with 24 total putts that round and just never looked back. I'll never forget the day I played with him because my father and I hated our lives after seeing the guy sinking 20ft putts with his driver lol 😂
Early version circle T Napa in the bag.. Rotates with the new 2022 Wilson staff 8802. Not left handed, not even a Phil fan, but I love a heel shafted putter with no alignment aids on the head 😂
I ordered a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Tel2 Trillium after Tiger won The 1997 Masters... Took six weeks to get. Loved that putter... Also had a Pro Platinum Newport 2 and a couple of Super Selects Newport 1.5 and 2 and a Mizuno Bettinardi Black Carbon Newport Style 2...
I have a fake lefty Scotty I use as my office putter that was $75. The fact that someone put the effort into a counterfeit lefty is hilarious to me and I had to have it. It putts very well and you really can't tell just looking at it.
How do you know if it’s fake
@@SpaceGhostPurpsIt was $75 brand new from China.
I bought a Coronado 2 off eBay about 5 years ago...sent it to the custom studio for a complete refurbish. Had it shortened to 34". Never felt like I hit it consistently solid. Felt like I was always hitting it high on the face. Finally sold it, on eBay getting about 75% of my original spend. I have an Odyssey White Hot and an old Spaulding TPM that I alternate between...not sure why it always felt so "thin"...Best decision ever letting it go.
I own a Newport 2, but never really felt confident with it. I tested a Phantom X 5.5, a couple of years ago and fell in love. It completely changed my putting game. I feel like it has to do with the larger head real estate and esspecially the weighting, which feels super comfortable for me. Horses for courses, I suppose, but there is something to be said for the newer generations as well.
i have a 2004 studio design 1.5 and absolutely love it... stopped buying new ones because like you said... they just seem more expensive for no particular reason imo...
Fun video which reminds me how I “saved money” on my Scotty Cameron putter:
Trying putters one day in the big box golf store (as you do) I imprinted on one particular Scotty Newport. Sank everything on demo surface that probably slopes to the hole.
But it was too expensive ($700) and I’m a high handicap not good enough to justify a new Scotty.
Instead I bought a very abused and dented used one on FB Marketplace for $200 and spent days sanding and polishing out all the dents.
Looked great but still didn’t have the putting magic so I put in heavier weights and reshafted with a very expensive KBS graphite shaft cut longer (I’m tall) and gripped with a pricey matching Superstroke.
I also bought a putting mat and did putting drills every day for months.
Magic Unlocked! My putting stats improved dramatically and it’s all because I bought a Scotty Cameron, I’m sure it has nothing to do with practicing for months.
I tell everyone about all the money I saved buying used, never mind spending just as much and probably more customizing it to my taste.
Too many people buying expensive putters & have no idea how to read or feel pace on a putt.
I thought his insert line of 2018 was phenomenal. Great feedback and perfect feel when struck perfectly. The new mallets are great, but you are going to lose some feel when you are making a mallet - just common sense!
Have you considered doing review for SWAG putter or SWAG v. Scotty? I don’t see much reviews about them but seem top quality.
My putting has improved dramatically since buying a second hand scotty. Its a mallet style half moon shape milled face and i love it.
I have a SC Phantom X 5 and love it. Looks good, perfoms really well and makes me happy owning it. Not for everyone as thankfully we all have different tastes.
I had a Scotty Big Sur broomhandle when I had the yips and it was great, managed to beat them & got fitted at Titleist at Craigielaw and ended up with a Phantom X8.5! I putted brilliantly with it but went back to a blade with a Mizuno M-craft 4 which has the deeper head front to back and love it! Reverted to my old “Nicklaus” stroke and putting well again! Still have the two Scotty’s though!
The best putts I ever made were with a bullseye putter. Jack used one once when he was struggling and it solved his problem. Those brass heads give you a really good feel. I would maybe wrap the grip with some foam tape if I were to change anything. That way I could put indexes on the grip so I grabbed it the same every time.
I use a Cameron Pro platinum, I do have newer, Cameron putters, including two or three Circle T, but I absolutely love the older pro platinum!
I have a 1.5 Newport and love it. However it has been replaced in recent times with a mizuno mcraft 1. It was the only thing that could prize it from my bag. Enjoying the extra weight.
I found a red x2 in the thrift shop in mint condition for 3 bucks and it's still one of the best feel and sounding putter made. If you look on their website even scotty says that it was one of his favorites.
Finally someone made a video that I can show people to explain why i own 40 old Scotty Cameron putters.
I’ve got this years del mar model and I love it .the weights just right.looks are perfect had to change the grip .but all and all love it.
I still use a Titleist Dead Center Putter that's about 40 years old. I putt better than all of the guys I play with who have spent thousands on putters over the years. The bottom line is, find something that feels right for you, and then put in hundreds of hours practicing with it. Practice is the best way to improve your putting.
I have a California Honey Dipped Del Mar from 2011ish. I absolutely love it, I will never change. That’s the peak for me. Even considering getting it refurbished by them to have it look mint again.
Scotty Cameron red x is the best putter I’ve ever owned. Had newports, spiders, piretti, bettinardi pings etc but always return to the red x
Big Scotty Cameron fan here! I own several including the Phantom X! 🐊🏌️♂️⛳️🦅🇺🇲💯❤️
Traded my Scotty in for a Mizzuno omoii have not looked back…. Love it
I switched and got the blue omoi 6 in the gorgeous blue colour it's stunning and underrated for sure, hidden gem imo 👍🏻
I’ve had a Newport 2 for years - absolutely love it and can’t think of a reason to buy anything else. Regardless of make or model, if you like it and you putt well with it, why would you want to change?
Scotty's are a status symbol more than anything else and I own one. I have a Pro Platinum that's in mint condition but I've used a Yes! Tracey ever since it came out because it feels and rolls the ball better than my SC putter ever has. The one SC putter I really loved but I couldn't have afforded was the first Terrilium(sp) ones like Tiger used when he first turned pro. The down side is the finish was awfully fragile. My friend bought one and it started to rust just from playing in the rain. The fertilizer from the course also ate the finish off on some spots.
I make some nice putts and I miss some easy putts with my Scotty. But I enjoy using it, and that's what counts.
Just remember that golfers are changing, and so do the manufacturers. Nothing stays the same. Even you, James
I have two Scotties. Center shaft Golo a friend gave me and Scottie Futura 6 that I bought. The putter I play with is a.PXG Closer with two 15 Oz weights 95percent of the time the other putter I play with is. Meridian oil can finish putter which is just as good as the PXG.
Holy shnikes that course he's at is SO PURE!! Hats off to the Super... And his assistants of course... WOW! 😍
The best putter is the one that lowers your score; then, you have to like the looks, sound and feel. It’s a personal choice.
Looks don’t bother me.
@@andybt3989 I bet they do. If you have a putter you like the look of behind the ball, it helps confidence, which improves performance. Doesn't mean it needs to cost a lot of course.
@@theythinkimmadyouknownope they don’t! I’ve played with possibly the ugliest clubs ever too! Performance over looks every day.
@@andybt3989 wow, fair play, I cant do that, gotta like the look to rock it.
@@theythinkimmadyouknow Cleveland VAS promoted back in the day by Corey Pavin. Tremendous irons!
I’m a big Scotty fan, but same as you James, much prefer the old ones. Just something special about them and they still perform amazing as well.
I used a Scotty Cameron Teryllium for the better part of 20 years. Loved it, but I couldn't putt with it. Switched to a Spider and holy sh*t I can putt. On the SAM putt lab, my efficiency and accuracy numbers were ridiculously good. Great putting is all about can I hit my line with the intended speed. Anything outside of that is a different skill. Green reading is essential but doesn't factor into how well you rolled the ball. More great putts are missed than made.
I bought a luxrul red mini Chanel bag, wish I had more Chanel bags, but considering my budget it's cool to have one bag
I have the phantom 12 and it's great for me, I also have a Tri-hot 5k double wide and a PXG Brandon with an M16 shaft. The Scotty is a mallet and I really do love it, I'm not that keen on the tri-hot and the Brandon being a blade is pretty damn good as well as good on the eye. The reason and only reason I have not picked up a Scotty blade is there are just too many fakes out there, for my untrained eye it's just a minefield. Buying from golf clubs for us for example I would feel I'm paying well over the top for a second handclub. So I guess it's the more modern stuff like the Phantom 12 for me, I picked mine up in as new condition for just £180 and I'm pretty damn sure it's no fake or if counterfitters have even bothered to try copying them.
I have a 2018 Scotty Select Fastback, my first Scotty, and wouldn’t change it for the world. Such a lovely soft feel off the putter face. 2nd hand from golfbidder and with trade ins only cost me £70. Bargain!
I loved my Cameron studio 2.0. Wish my bag hadn't gotten stolen with it inside but such is life. But since I play hardly ever anymore I can't justify buying another Cameron. But it would be an older model for me for sure .
I think the answer to why Scottie Cameron don't re-release the older putters is because of value. If they do a second run of the older version, without making it different, it would hurt the value for the original run, and it would hurt the brand, as people collect them. I have a futura x5r that is going about $100 less than what I paid for it several years ago, in the second hand market.
Honestly, I think they are re-releasing them, just giving them different names/branding, while trying out a couple different designs, and we don't have to give up an arm and a leg to get our hands on one, if we desire to buy one.
I think scotty putter were at there peak when he did the studio designed line with the number 2 being my favourite
I bought my Scotty in 1997 straight after Tiger won The Masters. A Tel 3 Santa Fe which now lays gathering dust as I use a Mizuno M-Craft mallet. Does it look as good or feel as good as the Scotty? No. Do I hole more putts now….yes!
Bit like 'you should drive a Volvo' but you really want a Porsche. Scotty's are iconic. I also think you play better with kit/equipment that you cherish. Got a bunch of Scotties and enjoy them all but found the Newport 3 and love it - suits my eye and looks sharp.
Sorry mate but I think it's more like you should drive a new Volvo or VW with power steering, great suspension and handling, but really you want to drive an old mustang. It looks wicked, everyone goes wow, but the tech in it is ancient and it doesn't drive anywhere near the way a modern car does. That's a Scotty Cameron. No new design or technology just rehashed old ones with new paint jobs. Yes it can get you from A to B, yes it's not terrible. But really they are charging you exorbitant $$$ to look good on the course, not any RnD to actually make a better product
Find a putter that looks good to your eye. Who cares about brand. I’ve had several Scottie’s over the years and still have 2 classic ones. (tei3 Newport), (studio style Newport 2). Currently gaming a Spider X. I find myself making putts when I least expect it. Love the feel and alignment also
350 gram Newport Mill Spec, can't get any better !
No desire for a new Scotty, but the old ones are works of art. I have several in my collection and I putt better with them than I do the new Odyssey and LAB putters, which are absolute abominations to look down at. Give me a 20+ year old Santa Fe or Pro Platinum Mid Slant or Circa 62 No 2, and I will drain putts all day long.
Studio Stainless Newport 2 (not the Newport you actually used James) is the best putter Scotty’s ever released to the public. It’s basically the blueprint for all the modern Gallery/Circle T putters
I have a SC Champions Choice (2023) and I bought it because it's a beautiful piece of office art for my golf collage, lol. But I don't game it because my putting is no better.
Haven’t tried the LAB yet, but i own 11 putters & my newer scottie newport feels amazing. Maybe i’ll take my RORS Nike Method out of the plastic one day…
Scottys are nice to look at and have a good feel, but I putt well with a cheap Teardrop putter. 14 single putts in a round is my record. Ok, they weren't all for birdies, but it's what looks and sits well for you. I'm convinced that most golfers use putters with shafts that are far too long for them. Shorter means more feel and control.
Great Ping grip on your brother’s putter. 😂😂 Said it before don’t see the thing with Mr xerox- have the ever released an original shape and not one they copied from Ping or even Odyssey?
Well said. I've always been a function over form person - Yorkshire engineer rather than artist. For me, only results count at golf when choosing equipment - no points for artistic impression (or financial impression).
what about joy?
@@theythinkimmadyouknow Where's the joy in spending cash on the latest and greatest only to see puts rolling past the hole. Even if the results are the same (probably will be, since it's personal skill that makes the difference) where's the joy in paying more for the same?
Where's the joy in hitting 45 puts with a $700 dollar putter with your friends looking on thinking "he's got cash to burn".
If you buy a $700 putter and then hit 28 puts in the next round - you have joy. Do you believe that happens to lots of SC putter buyers?
@@ianburton9223 do you feel the same about everything? Surely everyone shoudl be driving a Dacia (sorry dont know the US vesrion but think cheapest most basic car you can) as it does the same thing as any other car? The joy is in owning something you love, maybe something you have worked hard to be able to buy, in feeling good whenever you use it. In my case my putting has got better since owning a SC, I love looking down at it and feel a joy in putting.
@@ianburton9223 Oh and my best round with the SC is 27 though I average 32, down 3 from the Spider X I used to use.
@@theythinkimmadyouknow Then it looks like you got the better results, so good choice for you if you are convinced the strokes gained are good value for the price you paid.
Been playing that number 5 studio design for over 20 years it was the first run of 500 I wonder if they made more.
I’ve never gotten along with Scotty’s. I always thought it was the slower greens i usually play in the Uk . They seem better suited to tour speed greens
Damn that old SC Newport is going for $249....🤔
Might be time to let her go...it's collecting dust😅😂
Edit: I enjoyed the old black carbon series he had. Like the JAT, or the more blade models in the black carbon finish. So soft and responsive.
It's hard to justify the $ on SC when you can go to a smaller independent putter company and basically design the putter from scratch, like head material, headshape, weight, hosel configuration, toe hang, grip and lastly loft/lie.
I miss the old Byron Morgan, or Scratch Golf Company where you had all those options...so cool 😎
I was in a golf store recently, not to purchase a putter but while in the store I picked up a $450.00 putter , hit a few balls, same results as always. A salesman as if I I needed help with anything, I said no ,I just wanted to try a an overpriced putter, how’d you like it he said, same results as always, we both laughed! There’s no effing way I’d spend that much $$$ on a putter, it ain’t gonna make a difference!!!!!
Around 2000 a friend bought a Scotty Cameron putter, wasn't fitted or anything, but with a couple of weeks he was saving 10 shots a round from his previous putter. A real game changer.
I would like that. Re release the older ones
scotty camerons blades are the purest feeling putters in the world
The old ones are I agree
I love my Phantom 5.5 way better then the Odyssey #7 I used to have.
You better like it better, for the price. Lol.
Bought one years ago, couldn’t get on with it at all.
I love my scotty and I'm not changing it.
The new mallet shapes never suited my eye. I like a wider blade style and current game a Bettinardi SS28 slot back. It's been a fantastic club.
Had an Odyssey Metal X7 for 12 years now.
I think a lot of it is that they used to be the premium product. Now days all manufacturers have a premium line and the likes of lab are more expensive and arguably more premium
I've had the OG Futura putter in my bag for several years. I just don't see the need for any more Scottys. I don't have the means to collect the more artistic styles and don't really want to. Rather have some fancy Japanese blades that no one should own 😂
having never used a scotty putter it hard to say but when i speak to the guys in the shop at work, they try to justify the cost for the milling and the design and the heritage... i just dont get it... i've hit a few putts but they dont feel all that better than my current flat stick from SeeMore...
Scotty Cameron has always done well with blade style putters for players that have a moderate to strong arch in their stroke. But for players having only a small arch, or are straight back-straight through players and\or are looking for a mallet putter they just don't have any compelling offerings. And I'm not sure Scotty Cameron ever had a product that was for that demographic.
I don’t really think that SC putters have had any serious technological advances in years. They pretty much use the same weighting concepts that putters have been using for a good while.
The reason SC putters are liked is mainly due to Tiger Woods. If Tiger never used one, I doubt many people would be so stuck on them. They are very good quality. But there are other putters that have much better tech in them, such as LAB. But putting is so personal and it also depends on what suits your eyes. I used a LAB but I couldn’t stand looking at it. It did perform well. Who knows maybe sometime later on I’ll get used to an LAB because I do think they are onto something.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a left handed blade putter that is shorter heel to toe in length? Most blade putters are too long looking to my eye
If I get a new putter it will be a zero torque one! Either a PXG due to looks or a LAB.
What about the B Back 2015 putter?
I've gotta bunch of SCs, including five(5) ⭕️T's. My current Gamer is a X9.5 Proto, which while it obviously has a different feel from my Anser designs along with my Napa models, which were actually the last blades in my bag, to me, it is not a "better" feel or an "inferior" feel, just a different feel, similar to the difference in feel from a Player's forged MB & a Player's forged MCB or Player's CB.
For me, "different" does not equate to better or inferior.
Are Scottys of today or even Scottys of a decade ago as "good" as say, my Scotty Mizzy Reason M-300(#84/99)?
Hell no, I don't think so, though now I'm startin to sound like my Grandpap😂😂
"Back in my day, the putters were hand cut, hand milled, yada yada yada" 😂😂
They're still superb sticks and if someone doesn't like em, there are a lot of great putters out there to choose from!!
Stay Well Brotha👊
Fairways & Greens 4ever My Friend⛳️
RP
The only putter that would pull my Newport 2 out of the bag would be a LAB putter. But I’m not spending $600 for a putter. 😭
Old oil can hasn’t come out the bag Newport 2
I really like my 23 scottie
Um, the "Brutal Truth": Take a Ping Anser blade putter from 30 years ago (current cost around $15-$25 used), add a milled face and some weights on the bottom and VOILA! $500!
I feel like you’ve just taken my argument and tried to sum it up with with sarcastic “””
Because most of golf is in the mind and pulling a ‘Scotty’ out of my bag just still feels great. A Volvo will get you from A to B just as well as an Aston Martin - it’s better value, and is the sensible decision, just as Clark’s shoes and courduroys are - HOWEVER, some of us aren’t that boring……………..
Hahahaha
Tiger woods draining everything for 10 years has alot to do with it and excellent marketing strategy.
Swag or Scotty in the bag James?
or buy a custom carbon steel putter for the price of a scotty cameron
Gary player would probably love your brothers putter.
Well, they're expensive so they have to be good right?
I would take your brothers putter mate but it will take something special to get my odyssey number 11 out the bag
Milled in the USA, what if it was milled in Cleethorpes on the same model mill with the same tooling ? Milling is milling regardless of location. Scotty's are way above my budget anyway , even used ones. Still enjoyed the video though James.
A newport classic that's rusted up a bit.... or maybe a circa 62.
The insert is GSS
Very interesting to know. What is GSS?
Only on the expensive ones GSS is German stainless steel… the is edges are SSS standard stainless steel
False my brother, they used a GSS insert in that putter.. this is why older Scottie’s are better hands down. Back when that putter came out it was in the hay day of his name not being so big, they did the sss body with a GSS insert. It’s on the archives
If you look at the bottom of that putter is has it inscribed
@@Original_BenF Those are rather obtuse replies. I asked a simple question, to which, with your expert knowledge, you could have replied GSS means ...
Instead, you ask me to go look at the bottom of the putter. Does that mean you do not know what GSS means?
I saw the reply from James about German Stainless Steel as opposed to Standard Stainless Steel. Apparently the benefit of German Stainless Steel is "Exceptional Sharpness and Edge Retention".
I have no idea how a product used for high quality knives has anything to do with putter performance.
It all sounds too much like marketing snake oil speak rather than real pragmatic benefit for putter performance.
SC's too darn expensive.
There’s only so much you can do with a putter line of milled putters.
I’m a big Scotty fan and have used my original 2 from 30 years ago . Nothing I’ve tried looks or feels better. Labs are great if they look good under your eye but if they don’t you won’t make a thing . Just for the record Cameron’s new stuff over the last decade sucks from a craftsmanship standpoint.
Much prefer my Ping putters - B61, Zing (BeCu), Zing 2 and Anser.
Don’t have time for fang shaped putters. Waste of mega bucks cash.
I think putters are vastly over engineered and are only as good as your technique. You don’t have to spend loads to find a putter that works for you…
Just over priced wall hangers and fashion items. They won’t help you get the ball in the hole any better than a Dunlop putter from 1995 😉
Agree, mid 90's earky 2000's was peak. Look at the modern tour stuff and its basically those with stamps and finishes.
Adjustable weights to a model feel terrible compared to solid piece models.
The only things you need to consider for any putter to work just fine are (1) whether you naturally favor a toe hang model and have a bit of arc in your swing, or a face balanced model and swing the head straight back and through, and (2) whether the grip feels comfortable and helps you swing the head your way, be it thick or thin, pistol style or straight, round or square or triangular or oval in profile. It’s important that your hand holds the grip exactly the same way each time, falls into position naturally without thinking too much, because a slight change can alter the path and cause a slight in to out or out to in move, or slightly closed or open face, either of which can make you just miss that 6 foot straight putt to the left or right. You even see pros miss like that when it might cost them $50,000. So never get angry if you miss, just think why, try to learn, and move on.
I have a Scotty futura but putt better with a 150 dollar Cleveland putter.
Came to see all the Scotty haters crying about putters they can't afford. I wasn't disappointed....😂
Fan boy 😂
@@Followthepath89 I have 22 Scotty's in my collection, so ya, you could call me that🤷🏼♂️
Did I actually see £30k for a putter ?
Imagine Scotty made drivers instead of putters. Essentially they would just keep rehashing the same driver from 10-15 years ago but with slightly different paint jobs and no real new tech, and just kept charging more and more for it... And people would keep buying it 😂