There were a number of benchmarks I wanted to run, but they don't all support the 5090 yet! What should we test next time? And what were the most useful / interesting tests from these results? :D
The weird numbers on the 4k animation render, this could be due to some background task running, or a number of things, including, maybe just user error. However, it's possible that there is some issue with the 5090, the card itself or in software, drivers etc.
The Blender results could be a problem with Blender, or the driver. Perhaps run DDU between tests to ensure the old drivers are flushed? Could also be a CPU/PCI-E bottleneck as I know that has been showing up in gaming results. However I don't think it's all that likely by any means. But possible so i mention it. I know some people experienced a few problems with the 4090 in Blender when the 4090 released, but I don't know what the extent of those issues were. This video also is a perfect example of why I say the Blender benchmarks are for gamers and mostly meaningless for artists. Good stuff as always. Also the bit on simulations, you mentioned Blender. Blender actually only does simulation on the CPU, and is very poorly multi-threaded.
Finally! Someone made the vide I've been waiting to see. Everyone is talking about games, games, games but there's people out here making a living with their GPUs
@@johnandrews9433 The majority is not buying 90 class cards for gaming. These are hobbyist/professional hobbyist, or even borderline prosumer cards. 3D rendering, AI, mining, etc. It's just lazy reviewers catering to a gullible audience, imo. Nvidia is only using gaming GPUs to fund their bigger, and objectively more important (and profitable) projects.
True and they're the one with big mouth, 90% of them wouldn't even need to upgrade to 5000 series. I know people who don't have PC (only small laptop) but angry to nvidia price like they owe him life,
btw the blender thing at 6:31 is very likely a driver issue or just a bug with blender not playing nice with the new hardware yet. once there have been app and driver updates things like that will probably be fixed. it was very nice to see a review that wasnt just all "GAMING RAY TRACING AI AI AI FRAME GENERATION" but actually covered what is more likely to be the main use case for this type of card, cant wait to see the true potential of this gpu. great video man, keep it up
There is definitely something wrong with his system, his open data benchmark scores for all 3 cards are all quite a bit slower than average, the 5090 is supposed to be close to 14800 according to blender open data's website on 4.3, the 4090 is supposed to be 11000, and the 3090 is supposed to be 5250.
@ tbf they probably do tons more testing for games on review drivers than anything else. all of those inconsistencies in other apps are likely just due to drivers not being 100% polished and apps not fully supporting the hardware yet.
I've seen a couple of odd results in 5090 benchmarks so far where the 4090 pulls ahead. My belief is that some applications can't make good use of the way higher cuda core count with current drivers and hence favor the higher core clocks on the 4090.
@@Leo57081 you are sadly being optimistic if you think the AIBs will only mark it up by 25% for the cheapest one they are selling. I am bracing myself to get a 3000 USD card even though the MSPR is 2000 USD due to how prices seem to work with percentage mark up now.
Sad that unlike cycles the v-ray gpu gives different result compared to cpu mode. But the speed gains with rtx are huge and working caustics at 7+ version are nice
Since launch of 5000 series I have been searching for rendering test for 3d artist but no one was showing. Until you posted this video. We appreciate you brother
3090 rendering is already kinda insane. I no longer feel limited by my gpu. At work I have to do lots of arnold rendering. On my old gpu i constantly hit the vram limit and rendering took up to 15min. With the 3090 ive had zero vram issues and it renders in 2-3min. Its such a time saver. And to imagine that we had to render on the cpu before this... from 40min renders to 3min. pretty crazy.
I agree. The 3090 has performed well. NVIDIA seems to be hitting some heat and performance issues. After all the reviews I can wait this GPU cycle out and wait for a 6090 were the differences will hopefully be worthy of major investment.
Man, I have my 3090, and I absolutely love it; I'm just thinking that I want to get ahead of the new tariffs that will increase the card's price in the coming months. That's not even considering the scalper pricing because of the low stock.
and one of the very nice things about the 3090 is that it can still use NVlink, meaning you can Nvlink two 3090's together and get up to 48 GB of VRAM, which the 4090 and 5090 cannot do. Of course to do this you need a motherboard and CPU with sufficient PCIE lanes to fully leverage two 3090's which most regular PC boards cant do, you basically need a Threadripper or Threadripper pro Board. Im actually strongly considering just upgrading my current threadripper pro machine, which right now only has one 3090 in it currently and adding a second 3090.
"As a VFX artist and a gamer, I really appreciate you making this video! Speaking on behalf of all VFX artists, we're definitely hungry for more content like this. For future videos, it would be fantastic to see a more in-depth exploration of the software used and a focus on fairness in the comparisons. Perhaps you could delve deeper into the specific techniques and tools...
This is the first review I've seen where someone actually tested Unreal Engine rendering speeds. The 80% improvement over the 4090 looks very promising. I would be VERY interested in a follow up video with more in-depth testing for Path Traced renders
@@fobusas you're right, the 3090 has a bit lower vram clock speed. Still the memory running full doesn't sound like a valid reason for the performance discrepancy.
I should have been more clear, it's a combo of power and vram, the 4090 handles the calculations much better than the 3090, which is the main difference between those two. But the 5090 has more room to breathe when upscaling due to the increased memory pool so in addition to its speed boost, there's a bit more flexibility in the upscaling. It's definitely not a perfect test though, despite my efforts- it was more of an observation that I turned into a chart :P And tbh I’m not 100% sure I have the whole picture here- I just wanted to share the results of some stress-testing. VRAM was what I was focused on but it wasn’t a very scientific approach since there are obviously other factors too 😅 I hope this helps a bit
for private consumers this is a ridiculous rip off. as freelancer or hobbyist i would never recommend a card like this unless you're already making alot of cash
This is what I needed(actually I need 5080 version), but this what people need, a benchmark for 3d programs like blender, unreal, embergen. Thank you for doing this, I really appreciate this
Im confused, at 11:47 you said the 3090 OOM'd (Out of memory) but the 3090 and the 4090 both have 24gb of vram. So the 4090 should have also ran out of memory. Are you sure something else didnt cause the issue?
Amazing video and it is good to see benchmark videos for creators & 3d artists. It would be amazing if you can do a benchmark with various Houdini projects/sims. Fluids, explosions and such...
I have an idea for the blender bug 6:30. If you go to Preferences > System > Cycles Render Devices: None/CUDA/OptiX/HIP/oneAPI these settings have a huge impact on the rendering and they change based on the GPU you have in your computer. So after you switched the card, that setting might have changed automatically, maybe because of the card's early drivers
Vpaths explained from Google AI: Benchmark score: The final score in a V-Ray Benchmark test is often expressed as "vpaths" when using a GPU, allowing you to compare the rendering performance of different GPUs based on their path tracing capabilities. Comparison with other metrics: While "vsamples" is another metric used in the benchmark for CPU rendering, "vpaths" is specific to GPU rendering. Importance for complex scenes: Higher vpath scores signify better performance in scenes with lots of reflections, refractions, and indirect lighting, where many ray tracing paths are needed to accurately simulate the light behavior.
Damn, I was watching this with headphones on and the (annoying) music meant I kept thinking my phone was ringing. "If it's not helping, it's hurting" applies to audio as well as video.
So it sounds like the big jumps we got between the 20 to 30 series and then the 30 to 40 series is gone this time around. We're back to the every other generation video card investement pattern. If someone is going from the 30 series to the 50 then it's a nice move forward. I'm thinking the 60 series is where we will see a double in performance from the 40 series. And we'll see how many software packages take advantage of the new features the 50 series introduced by time the 60 series comes around. I think in fairness, even the CPU releases recently have been lackluster. We'll see what the next two to two and a half years brings us. 30 and 40 series were really impressive moves forward so it's hard to top those releases.
the 4090 vram has much better temperatures than a 3090 also has ECC (don't remember if the 3090 had that) also something not mentioned much but the 4090 gpu is close to 3Ghz clock while the 3090 was close to 2Ghz, it's just a guess but I can imagine it having an impact on how well the vram is used, also most 4090 can run vram at 24Ghz when properly cooled
Thank you! For someone who almost strictly does all Path Trace renders, this was great to see. im looking at the 5090 for some decent PT time boosts, seems like its delivering
I'm really excited to see your upcoming productive reviews. I work in this industry as well and I'm tired of reviews blaming DLSS 4 because "fake frames", but forgetting the main purpose of this type of GPUs and what they are really meant to be for. Keep up the work!
gaming it's gaming because without gamers it wouldn't exist ;) but it's true that it has become more like a side project compared to AI 3d rendering and the not talked about enough video encoding it took me hours to encode videos now if it takes 20m I'm complaining lol
For your next test of these cards, can you add what CPU, Motherboard, RAM you used? Would love to know the context of the platforms that got these results.
You can't asses rendering performance with lots of quick rendering animation frames. It will come out mostly the same among the those cards. It needs to be one stress test frame with way more things going on in the scene to see the difference. If each of those frames were more complex with longer render times, then you would have seen that 30% difference you were getting in the other tests.
i really dont think there is much of a big difference between the two cards , this is not the 3090 to 4090 gen, the only situation I can see there being any real difference is if you have a very large scene and you take up all 24 gb of ram on the 4090
@ Yeah thats why I was referencing opendata. So far real world isn't looking great but the problem is most of these youtubers don't know how to benchmark for production properly (as far as blender goes).
I get the feeling the power of the 5090 is going to be revealed over time, as technologies are revealed and popularized, and we're not necessarily seeing what it's really capable of yet....so it's not looking super insanely powerful compared to the 4090 just yet, but when we shift into higher gear, it will really start to pull away. Not that I own one or will ever likely own one lol
For resolve, use the depth pass generation, the neural slow motion generation with optical flow and speed time better in retime, some denoiser nodes, if you want to test the card. Would be interesting if you can include Houdini with Karma XPU. There are many test scenes available. Would be interesting to check on the infamous bubble wrap karma scene. Also Renderman XPU would be great to test. Would love to see some big massive real life scenario scenes we use in commercial work (currently rendering thousands of frames from karma on a project with 100 GB+ of assets). I know is scene/case dependent but Arnold is extremely slow for that shot imho. That blender scene has some bad settings to, should not take that much to render.
I would really love to see data comparing the price to performance across the 70s and 80s categories of 30,40, and 50 series cards tbh. I'm about ready for an upgrade but rarely ever buy the top of the line in any series so this kinda info would be super useful. Considering a 5070, but not sure how it stacks up particularly for use with blender
First video I’ve seen of yours. Interesting and well presented. I’m currently doing my work on a 2070 and it gets the job done but I’m ready for an upgrade. I’ll be sure to check out your skill share and thanks for the video
For the Animated blender cycles render benchmark you did 1 possible thing that happened was the cache wasn't cleared properly, this happens a lot if you're rendering a lot of frames without turning off your computer. I don't know why that's happening but it happens to me a lot when I render a lot of images, you check your system resources to double check, I have 96gb of ram and sometimes I get slow render times when I take a look at my resources windows is telling me I'm using 80gb of my ram when rendering and rendering times tends to get a lot slower.
I think you should try Omniverse path tracing and XPU render inside of Houdini they are different flavors of path tracing however the Omniverse is the purest form with not a lot to run in the background like other softwares. I find it to be the most impressive way of rendering so far.
Thank you very much , really helpful ! To be honest with those tests it makes it worthless to upgrade your 4090 yet ! Probably some drivers updates , some render engines updates to benefit from the new upgrades in the 5090. Cycle benchmark really choked me , waiting for more tests in the near future
I'm glad someone did a video about the production uses of the cards. I love games, but I also love having more productivity! Thanks for this. Keep up the good work Also some of the issues could be support issues. Like they are having driver compatibility issues with certain programs.
Something to also keep note when it comes to VRAM. Us 3090 users are the last ones left that get Nvlink. We can get more VRAM than the 5090 as long as it is supported in the program you are using.
Finally! Someone made the vide I've been waiting to see. Everyone is talking about games, games, games but there's people out here making a living with their GPUs🥰🥰🥰🥰 - Copied
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@ Yeah but you wouldn't do that while keyframing 90% of the time. You're never going to reach target fps like that. So in that case fps doesnt matter, its a case of how does it feel to move around the viewport in rendered view, and there's not really a great way to benchmark that
Thanks for this Wade! 21 mins or even 9 mins for that simple scene in Maya is way too high for one frame man 😄 Some tweaks will help to get you faster results for sure, regarding the gpu you use
Thanks for some awesome creative videos! As someone who uses Blender a lot lately, it'll be nice to test it hopefully soon if I can get a card (though the standard normal suite of tests is now woefully too fast so will have to load some heavier scenes). Looks like a solid upgrade for creators even if gaming uplift is decent, too!
This is great feedback, I’m so used to putting music but it’s often just something I feel is expected.. If I had music in the intro that faded out, and then maybe at the outro- the lack of music in the middle would be cool with you then? I might try that next time.
To me what I saw during the reveal of the rtx 5000s was that they're like v8s with turbos and superchargers where as rtx 4000s are like naturally aspirated v12s
I really enjoyed this review of the RTX 5090 with different software and renderers. The underperformance is probably due to the fact that several renderers are not yet optimized for this card. I use Cinema 4D with Redshift and XParticles. It would have been nice to see how Redshift behaves on Cinema 4D, 3DS max or Houdini. Thanks
Love this so much. I'm glad now that I saved my money up to get a 5090 this year. The bad part is that means replacing everything because I'm still on DDR 4, sigh.
also i would advise to test again like a month later once nvidia focuses on drivers for productivity, especially blender. plus blender might have to release an update to properly utilize the full card idk just my thought
great video! i would love to see how this card renders with Marmoset Toolbag 5 with raytracing enabled. Also how the vram effects texturing performance in the viewport when using 4k texture projects and painting across multiple UDIM tiles. It would just be great to see how the amount of vram effects texture painting performance as well as rendering because its one of the areas of the 3d ware having a lot of vram can help a lot.
I feel like the biggest upgrade is the slightly increased VRAM for most artists. GPU rendering in a lot of cases is already faster. I am fine if it has similar speeds to the 4090 if it means that I have more budget left to even render it on GPU.
2:35 often the bottleneck for rendering can be the read write speeds. Given the 50 & 4090 were the same I would suspect that’s what you’re seeing here. This is especially a bottle neck when each frame is large in file size such as exr and png
Export time for the (exr and png) sequence are the same because both cards are so fast they are getting bottlenecked by another system component (storage maxing its write speed in this case is most likely, but it could be the pcie bus, the cpu or memory speed for similar task that need to move data between vram, ram and storage memory )
I’m no 3D designer or animator, but as a person who enjoys rule34 content, it’s highly important that these new cards beneficial to animators and artists.
Thanks for the video man :) from what i have seen so far from all the reviews 5090 doesn't have anything spectacular about it. The only real upgrade we have is that 32GB VRAM. Yeah its a little faster than 4090 but not significantly fast. This card gives the feel of 4090TI more than true next gen series card
Please test Houdini next, try pre-configure; MPM, Pyro GPU, vellum etc. as they use your GPU fully and also Karma XPU since it uses both GPU and CPU and also add Octane, Redshift, Corona benchmarks. They all have standalone benchmark tools like Vray, Blender. (except Redshift, for that you'd need to use the command line.)
I tried to run each of those benchmarks but they don’t yet support the 5090 😭 But I’ll definitely include them in a follow up once we have some updates, and I’m adding all of these Houdini items to my list for next time :) Thanks!!
@@SirWade Oh my bad, corona render doesn't support GPU, it's CPU only but octane and redshift should support Nvidia GPUs, maybe they'll after they update their benchmarking tools for the new 5090. And with Houdini, it comes with demo simulation setups that have "configured" in the name when you search, try those configured MPM, Pyro GPU, Vellum and also Houdini's new renderer Karma XPU, that uses both CPU and GPU etc. With Resolve, Premiere, AE etc. it would be a lot easier and better IMO, if you use some kind of standardized benchmarking tool such as the Puget bench, as a lot of people use their benchmarking tools for Resolve, Premiere, AE, photoshop etc. as they've made those tools to test various tools and workflows in each software such as DVR, PP, AE etc. and it's a lot easier than different people's arbitrary tests and those are free as well.
There were a number of benchmarks I wanted to run, but they don't all support the 5090 yet! What should we test next time? And what were the most useful / interesting tests from these results? :D
Try Substance Painter!
Redshift!
Redshift
The weird numbers on the 4k animation render, this could be due to some background task running, or a number of things, including, maybe just user error.
However, it's possible that there is some issue with the 5090, the card itself or in software, drivers etc.
The Blender results could be a problem with Blender, or the driver. Perhaps run DDU between tests to ensure the old drivers are flushed? Could also be a CPU/PCI-E bottleneck as I know that has been showing up in gaming results. However I don't think it's all that likely by any means. But possible so i mention it. I know some people experienced a few problems with the 4090 in Blender when the 4090 released, but I don't know what the extent of those issues were. This video also is a perfect example of why I say the Blender benchmarks are for gamers and mostly meaningless for artists. Good stuff as always.
Also the bit on simulations, you mentioned Blender. Blender actually only does simulation on the CPU, and is very poorly multi-threaded.
Finally! Someone made the vide I've been waiting to see. Everyone is talking about games, games, games but there's people out here making a living with their GPUs
Amen bro
@@johnandrews9433 LMAOOOO
@@johnandrews9433 The majority is not buying 90 class cards for gaming. These are hobbyist/professional hobbyist, or even borderline prosumer cards. 3D rendering, AI, mining, etc. It's just lazy reviewers catering to a gullible audience, imo.
Nvidia is only using gaming GPUs to fund their bigger, and objectively more important (and profitable) projects.
@@johnandrews9433 and I’m pretty sure anyone using them for work can write them off
True and they're the one with big mouth, 90% of them wouldn't even need to upgrade to 5000 series.
I know people who don't have PC (only small laptop) but angry to nvidia price like they owe him life,
Love it when people review GPU for production purpose.
rubbish tests! where is redshift???
wheres the comparisons to amd's offerings
@@Sal3600no needed. amd trash
Yes 🎉 💯
@ im no amd user but damn
I'm tired of gamers reviews, thanks god
If those "gamers" just would create some own intresting games with those hardware they have.
@@felipeaca theyre already getting insane performance with a 3090. For gamers these cards offer diminishing returns at this point
"thank" not "thanks"
Mee too bro 😢
@@Urbanhandyman sorry! English is not my mother tongue, thank you
btw the blender thing at 6:31 is very likely a driver issue or just a bug with blender not playing nice with the new hardware yet. once there have been app and driver updates things like that will probably be fixed.
it was very nice to see a review that wasnt just all "GAMING RAY TRACING AI AI AI FRAME GENERATION" but actually covered what is more likely to be the main use case for this type of card, cant wait to see the true potential of this gpu. great video man, keep it up
There is definitely something wrong with his system, his open data benchmark scores for all 3 cards are all quite a bit slower than average, the 5090 is supposed to be close to 14800 according to blender open data's website on 4.3, the 4090 is supposed to be 11000, and the 3090 is supposed to be 5250.
@ tbf they probably do tons more testing for games on review drivers than anything else. all of those inconsistencies in other apps are likely just due to drivers not being 100% polished and apps not fully supporting the hardware yet.
@@TI49S I have a feeling his blender isn't setup properly, more so than his system.
I've seen a couple of odd results in 5090 benchmarks so far where the 4090 pulls ahead. My belief is that some applications can't make good use of the way higher cuda core count with current drivers and hence favor the higher core clocks on the 4090.
or forget do disable CPU in optix settings
If you plan on buying the 5090, wait a few months for driver updates, to get an accurate indication of performance uplift.
But also expect the 25%-40% markup
@@Leo57081 you are sadly being optimistic if you think the AIBs will only mark it up by 25% for the cheapest one they are selling. I am bracing myself to get a 3000 USD card even though the MSPR is 2000 USD due to how prices seem to work with percentage mark up now.
512 bits will show the main purpose why its matter
according to Nvidia tests (Linus tech tips video) the 5090 only performs 10% better without AI tops and raytracing than the 4090.
@@pepziifroztname of the game for simulations and vfx is honestly VRAM capacity and also RAM capacity.
FYI, the V-Ray CUDA path is not updated yet, hence the slower results on the RTX 5090.
Sad that unlike cycles the v-ray gpu gives different result compared to cpu mode.
But the speed gains with rtx are huge and working caustics at 7+ version are nice
glad to see youtubers that show data for creators
Since launch of 5000 series I have been searching for rendering test for 3d artist but no one was showing. Until you posted this video. We appreciate you brother
3090 rendering is already kinda insane. I no longer feel limited by my gpu. At work I have to do lots of arnold rendering. On my old gpu i constantly hit the vram limit and rendering took up to 15min. With the 3090 ive had zero vram issues and it renders in 2-3min. Its such a time saver. And to imagine that we had to render on the cpu before this... from 40min renders to 3min. pretty crazy.
I agree. The 3090 has performed well. NVIDIA seems to be hitting some heat and performance issues. After all the reviews I can wait this GPU cycle out and wait for a 6090 were the differences will hopefully be worthy of major investment.
Man, I have my 3090, and I absolutely love it; I'm just thinking that I want to get ahead of the new tariffs that will increase the card's price in the coming months. That's not even considering the scalper pricing because of the low stock.
and one of the very nice things about the 3090 is that it can still use NVlink, meaning you can Nvlink two 3090's together and get up to 48 GB of VRAM, which the 4090 and 5090 cannot do. Of course to do this you need a motherboard and CPU with sufficient PCIE lanes to fully leverage two 3090's which most regular PC boards cant do, you basically need a Threadripper or Threadripper pro Board.
Im actually strongly considering just upgrading my current threadripper pro machine, which right now only has one 3090 in it currently and adding a second 3090.
best video on the 5090 ive seen! a follow up with Houdini, Karma XPU, and Redshift would be much appreciated!!
rubbish tests! where is redshift???
Hey bro show some love for us industrial CAD-NURBS guys. We wanna see Keyshot, VRED etc.
@@artmeansartificial RS doesn't support the 5090 yet. Chill.
"As a VFX artist and a gamer, I really appreciate you making this video! Speaking on behalf of all VFX artists, we're definitely hungry for more content like this.
For future videos, it would be fantastic to see a more in-depth exploration of the software used and a focus on fairness in the comparisons. Perhaps you could delve deeper into the specific techniques and tools...
How are you even able to do this for a living? I'd love to know where to start.
This is the first review I've seen where someone actually tested Unreal Engine rendering speeds. The 80% improvement over the 4090 looks very promising.
I would be VERY interested in a follow up video with more in-depth testing for Path Traced renders
At 4:00 you say the 3090 falls behind because it was running out of vram. How does that make sense though, as it has the same 24gb as the 4090?
Yeah i found rhat weird. Do they make 3090 with less rhan 24gb?
I run one on my setup and it has 24 gb btw.
@angosalvo5734 no they don't. Same gddr6 12x2GB chips as on the 4090.
Different Ram with different speeds, even if amount is the same
@@fobusas you're right, the 3090 has a bit lower vram clock speed. Still the memory running full doesn't sound like a valid reason for the performance discrepancy.
I should have been more clear, it's a combo of power and vram, the 4090 handles the calculations much better than the 3090, which is the main difference between those two. But the 5090 has more room to breathe when upscaling due to the increased memory pool so in addition to its speed boost, there's a bit more flexibility in the upscaling. It's definitely not a perfect test though, despite my efforts- it was more of an observation that I turned into a chart :P And tbh I’m not 100% sure I have the whole picture here- I just wanted to share the results of some stress-testing. VRAM was what I was focused on but it wasn’t a very scientific approach since there are obviously other factors too 😅 I hope this helps a bit
the tech notice said that the codecs that are included in the 5090 are not enabled by default, but after he thinkered with it he got better results.
You're on an absolute roll man, great comparisons here!! Also spotted the G502 - best mouse ever 🙌
rubbish tests! where is redshift???
Great stuff! and thanks for doing the EmberGen & LiquiGen tests 🙏 I can't wait to get my hands on a 5090
No one talking about the 575 Watt consumption of the 5090? That´s just ridiculus. Also the enormous heat output at 575 watts..
the power cables heat up too, to about 50c
It helps you save heating costs in winter.
1000w psu platinum will help you and gpu isn’t gonna run 575w 24/7. Also invest in the Asus Astral card that looks to have better cooling.
Have you seen the idle watt consumption of the 5090? Equally insane.
for private consumers this is a ridiculous rip off. as freelancer or hobbyist i would never recommend a card like this unless you're already making alot of cash
Ultimate test would be Houdini Karma XPU.
This is what I needed(actually I need 5080 version), but this what people need, a benchmark for 3d programs like blender, unreal, embergen. Thank you for doing this, I really appreciate this
Im confused, at 11:47 you said the 3090 OOM'd (Out of memory) but the 3090 and the 4090 both have 24gb of vram. So the 4090 should have also ran out of memory. Are you sure something else didnt cause the issue?
Amazing video and it is good to see benchmark videos for creators & 3d artists. It would be amazing if you can do a benchmark with various Houdini projects/sims. Fluids, explosions and such...
I'm happy you and Tech Notice have been talking about creation rather than gaming.
I have an idea for the blender bug 6:30. If you go to Preferences > System > Cycles Render Devices: None/CUDA/OptiX/HIP/oneAPI these settings have a huge impact on the rendering and they change based on the GPU you have in your computer. So after you switched the card, that setting might have changed automatically, maybe because of the card's early drivers
Vpaths explained from Google AI:
Benchmark score:
The final score in a V-Ray Benchmark test is often expressed as "vpaths" when using a GPU, allowing you to compare the rendering performance of different GPUs based on their path tracing capabilities.
Comparison with other metrics:
While "vsamples" is another metric used in the benchmark for CPU rendering, "vpaths" is specific to GPU rendering.
Importance for complex scenes:
Higher vpath scores signify better performance in scenes with lots of reflections, refractions, and indirect lighting, where many ray tracing paths are needed to accurately simulate the light behavior.
NEVER use AIs as sources of information.
@@Dante02d12 Can't argue with that 😅
YAAEEHHH!!! RUclips reviews is just gaming, gaming, gaming AAAAHHH, Thanks for this tests!
Where is redshift? Where is octane?
They don’t support the 5090 yet 😭 I tried
Damn, I was watching this with headphones on and the (annoying) music meant I kept thinking my phone was ringing. "If it's not helping, it's hurting" applies to audio as well as video.
My bad, good feedback though- I appreciate it!
So it sounds like the big jumps we got between the 20 to 30 series and then the 30 to 40 series is gone this time around. We're back to the every other generation video card investement pattern. If someone is going from the 30 series to the 50 then it's a nice move forward. I'm thinking the 60 series is where we will see a double in performance from the 40 series. And we'll see how many software packages take advantage of the new features the 50 series introduced by time the 60 series comes around.
I think in fairness, even the CPU releases recently have been lackluster. We'll see what the next two to two and a half years brings us. 30 and 40 series were really impressive moves forward so it's hard to top those releases.
I'm ready to upgrade my 2080 ti. The 30 and 40 series seemed lackluster to me, but this is a huge jump for me.
Me, with my GTX970, watching this: "hmm wow yeah that's not a big performance improvement from the 40 series..."
me with a 1060: the 5060 better have 12GB of vram and cost less.
03:59 How? both 3090 and 4090 have 24 GB of Vram
the 4090 vram has much better temperatures than a 3090 also has ECC (don't remember if the 3090 had that) also something not mentioned much but the 4090 gpu is close to 3Ghz clock while the 3090 was close to 2Ghz, it's just a guess but I can imagine it having an impact on how well the vram is used, also most 4090 can run vram at 24Ghz when properly cooled
@@fredEVOIXI don't think you understand what he said!
@@fredEVOIXSo, out of vram doesn't mean out of vram?
Thank you! For someone who almost strictly does all Path Trace renders, this was great to see. im looking at the 5090 for some decent PT time boosts, seems like its delivering
Oh at last I landed accidentally through recommendation to your channel for the right kind of review for usage in creative/productivity applications ❤
I'm coming from a 2070 and can't wait to finally update to the 50xx series.
This is very helpful, thanks, Wade!
Nice to see someone making such a significant upgrade.. and appreciating it!!!
Bro i like your setup like for real settings there is just a pure relaxation
I'm really excited to see your upcoming productive reviews. I work in this industry as well and I'm tired of reviews blaming DLSS 4 because "fake frames", but forgetting the main purpose of this type of GPUs and what they are really meant to be for. Keep up the work!
gaming it's gaming because without gamers it wouldn't exist ;) but it's true that it has become more like a side project compared to AI 3d rendering and the not talked about enough video encoding it took me hours to encode videos now if it takes 20m I'm complaining lol
Huge fan of having this kind of testing and comparison available these days. Keep up the good work!
Finally ive been waiting for this video all day, thanks!!!
For your next test of these cards, can you add what CPU, Motherboard, RAM you used?
Would love to know the context of the platforms that got these results.
Especially whether your MB supported PCIe version 4 or 5.
@@fredurban3309that doesn’t matter in this case, 5090 doesn’t even max out pcie4
Oh my word it's the video I've been waiting for all day. Thank you!
You can't asses rendering performance with lots of quick rendering animation frames. It will come out mostly the same among the those cards. It needs to be one stress test frame with way more things going on in the scene to see the difference. If each of those frames were more complex with longer render times, then you would have seen that 30% difference you were getting in the other tests.
i really dont think there is much of a big difference between the two cards , this is not the 3090 to 4090 gen, the only situation I can see there being any real difference is if you have a very large scene and you take up all 24 gb of ram on the 4090
@@msg360 So far it seems 50% uplift from 4090 to 5090 as far as opendata goes.
idk not what I'm seeing in these reviews @@XenoGraphica
@ Yeah thats why I was referencing opendata. So far real world isn't looking great but the problem is most of these youtubers don't know how to benchmark for production properly (as far as blender goes).
@@XenoGraphica exactly. You don't see the power of a GPU unless you really give it something tough to chew
Finally some useful performance data instead of pointless gaming benchmarks. 👍👍 for that.
Brooooo thank you so much for making this video! We've been needing this type of video!
Waiting for this video during last two years 😊❤
I get the feeling the power of the 5090 is going to be revealed over time, as technologies are revealed and popularized, and we're not necessarily seeing what it's really capable of yet....so it's not looking super insanely powerful compared to the 4090 just yet, but when we shift into higher gear, it will really start to pull away. Not that I own one or will ever likely own one lol
The kind of video i was looking for, thanks, keep going with that.
Thank you!
Exactly what I’ve been waiting for.
Great job sir, Wish we could get some houdini opencl simulation tests in the future,
yes finally someone who test the card in 3d renders not gaming love it. thank u for the video,, i use all those apps man am so happy right now
For resolve, use the depth pass generation, the neural slow motion generation with optical flow and speed time better in retime, some denoiser nodes, if you want to test the card. Would be interesting if you can include Houdini with Karma XPU. There are many test scenes available. Would be interesting to check on the infamous bubble wrap karma scene. Also Renderman XPU would be great to test. Would love to see some big massive real life scenario scenes we use in commercial work (currently rendering thousands of frames from karma on a project with 100 GB+ of assets). I know is scene/case dependent but Arnold is extremely slow for that shot imho. That blender scene has some bad settings to, should not take that much to render.
I would really love to see data comparing the price to performance across the 70s and 80s categories of 30,40, and 50 series cards tbh. I'm about ready for an upgrade but rarely ever buy the top of the line in any series so this kinda info would be super useful. Considering a 5070, but not sure how it stacks up particularly for use with blender
First video I’ve seen of yours. Interesting and well presented. I’m currently doing my work on a 2070 and it gets the job done but I’m ready for an upgrade.
I’ll be sure to check out your skill share and thanks for the video
shud go for 70 ti
@@CaptainScorpio24 I’d climb up abit more when it comes time to finally purchase
For the Animated blender cycles render benchmark you did 1 possible thing that happened was the cache wasn't cleared properly, this happens a lot if you're rendering a lot of frames without turning off your computer. I don't know why that's happening but it happens to me a lot when I render a lot of images, you check your system resources to double check, I have 96gb of ram and sometimes I get slow render times when I take a look at my resources windows is telling me I'm using 80gb of my ram when rendering and rendering times tends to get a lot slower.
Are you rendering on Eevee or something
never happended
@@dokerb3d60 happening to me and i have to restart pc everytime to reset cache
I think you should try Omniverse path tracing and XPU render inside of Houdini they are different flavors of path tracing however the Omniverse is the purest form with not a lot to run in the background like other softwares.
I find it to be the most impressive way of rendering so far.
Woow ; new great video; thanks for this tutorial
Thank you very much , really helpful ! To be honest with those tests it makes it worthless to upgrade your 4090 yet ! Probably some drivers updates , some render engines updates to benefit from the new upgrades in the 5090. Cycle benchmark really choked me , waiting for more tests in the near future
Thanks for going over specs! I’d love to see a Houdini test on your next round if it’s possible?
I'm glad someone did a video about the production uses of the cards. I love games, but I also love having more productivity! Thanks for this. Keep up the good work
Also some of the issues could be support issues. Like they are having driver compatibility issues with certain programs.
Something to also keep note when it comes to VRAM. Us 3090 users are the last ones left that get Nvlink. We can get more VRAM than the 5090 as long as it is supported in the program you are using.
Finally! Someone made the vide I've been waiting to see. Everyone is talking about games, games, games but there's people out here making a living with their GPUs🥰🥰🥰🥰 - Copied
Thank U. Greetz from polish guy living in netherlands 💪😁
I love your videos, but I speak Portuguese and now RUclips translate audio with Automatic Dubbing. Could you Turn On this option in your Videos? I think you will have more views.
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Thanks for this! I had no idea about the feature, I’ll see if I can turn it on tonight :)
I didn't know who you were or that your channel existed until I saw this dope review. Thank you so much. Keep doing the Lord's work.
Super interesting 5090 review! 👍👍 Thanks a lot! I'll really interested to see more data benchmark about Houdini and Redshift stuff... 😉
Me too!! That’ll be in the next one 😉
@@SirWade So cool!
The review ive been looking for!
What about viewport fps in Blender/Maya/Unreal , esp heavy scenes ?
Viewport performance in Blender is all on the CPU unless you're in rendered view. Solid mode animation playback is 100% CPU.
@XenoGraphica I mean for render view It's useful for vis dev to have a window with render view while working
@ Yeah but you wouldn't do that while keyframing 90% of the time. You're never going to reach target fps like that. So in that case fps doesnt matter, its a case of how does it feel to move around the viewport in rendered view, and there's not really a great way to benchmark that
Thanks for this Wade!
21 mins or even 9 mins for that simple scene in Maya is way too high for one frame man 😄
Some tweaks will help to get you faster results for sure, regarding the gpu you use
Thanks for some awesome creative videos! As someone who uses Blender a lot lately, it'll be nice to test it hopefully soon if I can get a card (though the standard normal suite of tests is now woefully too fast so will have to load some heavier scenes). Looks like a solid upgrade for creators even if gaming uplift is decent, too!
I assume the case where the 5090 was slower than the 3090 must have been a driver issue, meaning NVidia haven't finished tweaking the driver yet.
Good video - thanks for doing the benchmarks.
I just wished there would be no music in the background. I find it so distracting.
This is great feedback, I’m so used to putting music but it’s often just something I feel is expected.. If I had music in the intro that faded out, and then maybe at the outro- the lack of music in the middle would be cool with you then? I might try that next time.
Would love to see an Octane Render comparison in Blender.
To me what I saw during the reveal of the rtx 5000s was that they're like v8s with turbos and superchargers where as rtx 4000s are like naturally aspirated v12s
I really enjoyed this review of the RTX 5090 with different software and renderers. The underperformance is probably due to the fact that several renderers are not yet optimized for this card. I use Cinema 4D with Redshift and XParticles. It would have been nice to see how Redshift behaves on Cinema 4D, 3DS max or Houdini. Thanks
Were you using the Studio driver or the Game Driver software for the tests.
Studio driver!
Great vid, the music was a little loud for my liking but not an issue.
How did the 3090 run out of VRam but the 4090 didn’t they have the same
thinking the same
They don't the 4090+ has faster ram
how many light paths did you have on the blender render?
Great vid, looks like it will be time to move from my 3090 to the 5090.
7:04 it could be as simple as , drivers
underrated vids !! i hope i can afford to get a 5090 laptop once they come out !!
Love this so much. I'm glad now that I saved my money up to get a 5090 this year. The bad part is that means replacing everything because I'm still on DDR 4, sigh.
Great video man keep it up
Undervolting the 5090 is going to be very interesting. I have already seen tests with ~25% less power draw but only a loss of 5% performance.
also i would advise to test again like a month later once nvidia focuses on drivers for productivity, especially blender. plus blender might have to release an update to properly utilize the full card
idk just my thought
great video! i would love to see how this card renders with Marmoset Toolbag 5 with raytracing enabled. Also how the vram effects texturing performance in the viewport when using 4k texture projects and painting across multiple UDIM tiles. It would just be great to see how the amount of vram effects texture painting performance as well as rendering because its one of the areas of the 3d ware having a lot of vram can help a lot.
I feel like the biggest upgrade is the slightly increased VRAM for most artists.
GPU rendering in a lot of cases is already faster. I am fine if it has similar speeds to the 4090 if it means that I have more budget left to even render it on GPU.
Can you check how it performs in Substance Painter with 4k maps compared to previous cards?
I plan on getting a 5090 for blender soon so thanks for the review
I love u dude. Since the beginning of the announcement I've been looking for productivity applications review. You saved the day.
2:35 often the bottleneck for rendering can be the read write speeds. Given the 50 & 4090 were the same I would suspect that’s what you’re seeing here. This is especially a bottle neck when each frame is large in file size such as exr and png
Are you sure you were powering the card properly? A powerful enough PSU and pushing the GPU using different rails?
Export time for the (exr and png) sequence are the same because both cards are so fast they are getting bottlenecked by another system component (storage maxing its write speed in this case is most likely, but it could be the pcie bus, the cpu or memory speed for similar task that need to move data between vram, ram and storage memory )
Finally a good video for 3D stuff with this card
I’m no 3D designer or animator, but as a person who enjoys rule34 content, it’s highly important that these new cards beneficial to animators and artists.
THANKS FOR THIS TEST I NEED IT FOR UPGRADE
4:10, 3090 has exactly the same amount of vRAM as 4090, the most difference is in the amount and speed of RT cores on the latter
Thanks for the video man :) from what i have seen so far from all the reviews 5090 doesn't have anything spectacular about it. The only real upgrade we have is that 32GB VRAM. Yeah its a little faster than 4090 but not significantly fast. This card gives the feel of 4090TI more than true next gen series card
Please test Houdini next, try pre-configure; MPM, Pyro GPU, vellum etc. as they use your GPU fully and also Karma XPU since it uses both GPU and CPU and also add Octane, Redshift, Corona benchmarks. They all have standalone benchmark tools like Vray, Blender. (except Redshift, for that you'd need to use the command line.)
I tried to run each of those benchmarks but they don’t yet support the 5090 😭 But I’ll definitely include them in a follow up once we have some updates, and I’m adding all of these Houdini items to my list for next time :) Thanks!!
@@SirWade Oh my bad, corona render doesn't support GPU, it's CPU only but octane and redshift should support Nvidia GPUs, maybe they'll after they update their benchmarking tools for the new 5090. And with Houdini, it comes with demo simulation setups that have "configured" in the name when you search, try those configured MPM, Pyro GPU, Vellum and also Houdini's new renderer Karma XPU, that uses both CPU and GPU etc.
With Resolve, Premiere, AE etc. it would be a lot easier and better IMO, if you use some kind of standardized benchmarking tool such as the Puget bench, as a lot of people use their benchmarking tools for Resolve, Premiere, AE, photoshop etc. as they've made those tools to test various tools and workflows in each software such as DVR, PP, AE etc. and it's a lot easier than different people's arbitrary tests and those are free as well.
I can imagine the Blender benchmark score with my 1050Ti.