Don't Use the Wrong Outdoor Wood and Finish for Your Project

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  • @731Woodworks
    @731Woodworks  Год назад +7

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  • @WalterRiggs
    @WalterRiggs Год назад +42

    Number one thing to do is to keep it out of the sun. Any finish, any wood will get gray and start rotting with enough sunshine if you don’t stay on top if it every year, maybe two. As they said at a Woodcraft class I went to on the subject: “Sunshine always wins”. It’s hard to beat a nuclear fireball only 93 million miles away.

    • @chuck0080
      @chuck0080 Год назад +2

      93 million miles.

    • @daviddickerson3422
      @daviddickerson3422 Год назад +1

      Spar Urethane does not hold up under days of 95 degree hot summer days!

    • @starsINSPACE
      @starsINSPACE Год назад +1

      But I thought sunshine was good to prevent algae growing up on it?

    • @coppulor6500
      @coppulor6500 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@starsINSPACE yes, direct sunlight is too strong for mold and algae. Indirect sunlight causes algae to grow since algae photosynthesises so it likes sunlight as long as its not too strong

  • @hnelg
    @hnelg 3 месяца назад +1

    Is there anything you can put over top paint on my deck to protect from scratching paint?

  • @j.d.1488
    @j.d.1488 2 месяца назад +1

    Cast iron bench with IPE slats used Penofin oil finish (brown label). Looks great in a sunny spot. Hit it with oil once a year. So far so good.

  • @dougmanter8002
    @dougmanter8002 Год назад +3

    Epoxy sealing the end grain. GENIUS TIP!!!

  • @bostonmacosx
    @bostonmacosx 2 месяца назад

    EASIER LEG BOTTOM FINISHING... FLEX SEAL SPRAY.. much easier ...do it 3" up each leg... done....

  • @SammyHelsper
    @SammyHelsper Год назад +1

    I'm a deck builder stain is your friend... Paint is just glue with pigment. I always use Penofin. Easy to use with one or two coats repeat every two years as necessary.

  • @josephconsuegra6420
    @josephconsuegra6420 Год назад +2

    I’ve used Thomason’s Water Seal for years with great success. Living in South Florida, with all the rains, its always held up great.

    • @coppulor6500
      @coppulor6500 6 месяцев назад +1

      That's shocking. Shocking because everyone seems to trash that product. Do you reapply religiously? What's your secret? Tell us!!! 🙏. 😊😊

  • @bmacaulay18
    @bmacaulay18 Год назад +1

    IF you want something to last Ipe is king. It's not cheap at all. I built a holder for my Big Green Egg out of Ipe. Based on the fact it is as close to fireproof of a wood as you can buy and it is what they used for the decking at Niagara Falls the need to replace it in my lifetime is zero. You will burn up the bits to counter sink the screw holes and only use stainless steel fasteners.

  • @billhawke9312
    @billhawke9312 Год назад +2

    I’m working on some outdoor furniture and trellises and these are some great points. I like the trick with using epoxy on the feet to prevent moisture from soaking into the end grain.
    I’m looking forward to some outdoor projects as we head into spring.
    Keep up the great work.

  • @PaleRider559
    @PaleRider559 4 месяца назад

    You didn't mention Redwood, as a good outdoor wood. Where I live, Northern Coast of California, we have a lot of it :)

  • @TheFarmGuy
    @TheFarmGuy Год назад

    Sorry about your yellow bench brother.

  • @ColumbiaSCRealEstate
    @ColumbiaSCRealEstate Год назад +1

    Amazing video packed with great info. Perfect timing as I'm about to start making outdoor furniture for the first time. ;-)

  • @FixItFrench
    @FixItFrench Год назад +2

    I build outdoor wedding entryways. I have stained and painted many. The ones that have turned out the best were all stained with a spray gun. Also, I like to make an 85° cut on the top of the furniture for water run off 👍🏼👍🏼

    • @JiandiP
      @JiandiP 8 месяцев назад

      Wow, that's great. I'd love to find time to do some volunteer work. Just the other day I saw a golden retriever, he had like a gimp, ya know I just wish I could have done something

  • @kryptox666
    @kryptox666 Месяц назад

    I've got a pine bench I finished with clear acrylic years ago for indoor use. Its going to be repurposed for outdoor use, would renewing the clear acrylic/poly work or should I use a different finish?

  • @edemyre8993
    @edemyre8993 Год назад +1

    Really great video, very informative, I 'specially liked the epoxy idea for table/chair legs.

  • @TheKidFromYTown
    @TheKidFromYTown Год назад +2

    Thank you for all the great tips! I never even thought of putting epoxy on the end grain of outdoor projects.

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj Год назад +1

      It's a good idea. I've done OK over decades by soaking end grain in wood preservative and adding adjustable feet, best ones come from theatrical chandlers.

  • @builditwithlogs3917
    @builditwithlogs3917 8 месяцев назад

    I have used Cabot stain on my log furniture but have found it to be a dull finish and the wood doesn't seem to absorb it evenly. Am I supposed to apply something over the Cabot finish?

  • @edwardsmith3817
    @edwardsmith3817 Год назад +7

    I am a huge fan of 731! And I really like how he goes out of his way and takes the time to get shots that may have been inconvenient that really help a visual learner. The editing is top notch! Thank you Matt

  • @douglasanderson7260
    @douglasanderson7260 Год назад +1

    Awesome video, I just built a small patio table, mostly to keep a glass or two on it. I used White Oak, and I used total boat marine finish figuring that if it can protect a boat from the elements it can protect my table. I wanted the project to be quick so I used hairpin legs just so I did not have to think of the joinery too much and even if the wood moves all of the legs are attached to only 1 board each. But I am thinking of replacing my construction lumber table that I built a couple of years ago, since the top of it is starting to rot. Or has developed enough rot to be concerned. I will probably replicate my smaller table since it seems to be okay. It just went through it's first shower and it seemed like the top was pretty water resistant. Though I will have to check out the timber oil.

  • @ITBubba1
    @ITBubba1 10 месяцев назад

    Why would you want to keep it from graying ? Gray is all the rage right now ! LOL

  • @treggmichelleliebler399
    @treggmichelleliebler399 Год назад +1

    Great tips, thankyou!

  • @Jimc4007
    @Jimc4007 Год назад +1

    Good video, as they usually are! The thing that caught my attention was your RUclips sign and the number it is showing... I hadn't noticed it until now but you crossed another milestone... 400K subs !!! Congratulations! Well earned and the work you've put in shows.

  • @2011studies
    @2011studies Год назад

    Thanks! Really nice outdoor furniture. Subscribed. (Daniel 12:12)

  • @stevemarquis7704
    @stevemarquis7704 Год назад

    You forgot redwood . . . . .
    Of course I live on the west coast

  • @dougprentice1363
    @dougprentice1363 Год назад

    I wasn't familiar with the ole he talked about.

  • @JCMasterCraftsman
    @JCMasterCraftsman Год назад

    I guess the editor did not like me pointing that Chlorine Bleach is an enemy of wood. So google it, it’s true and one should never use it on any porous surface. Tile is ok, from deck wood to Jeep softops Chlorine bleach is not ever a good practice.

  • @RobertPaddock-ek1bm
    @RobertPaddock-ek1bm Год назад

    Great video. Very informative. However…..Yeah there’s always that guy. I just brush finished an Adirondack Chair I made with Cabots Australian Timber oil that you recommended and I can say it came out terrible. Blotchy, hazed over, impossible to flow out brush strokes and takes at least 5 days or more to dry in ideal conditions. I’m not a finishing expert but I not necessarily a novice either. I’m kicking myself because I didn’t just take a little extra time and spray the pieces. I think that’s what you said you did in the video for your deck furniture. Just emphasize that to people. If you expect to brush finish on more complicated projects with this stuff you will be highly disappointed and frustrated. Thanks Bob

  • @scottbionicnerf8727
    @scottbionicnerf8727 Год назад

    Hey Brother. I thought I might want to give you video ideas. How a video comparing the ease of application, and final results of finished product on these finishes that you mentioned in this video (I wouldn't bother with afore mentioned, inferior product, because if you didn't like it, I don't see anyone else would, unless, of course, they can get it for almost free.)
    I'm talking your simple, down sized night stand/drink-holding table you'd see placed beside chairs or loveseats on a deck.
    1 for each of those finishes would be great.
    I personally, really like the Cabot Finishes for door use. They look awesome on pick nick tables and any pool side furniture pieces.

  • @MR-si1eq
    @MR-si1eq Год назад

    I just used Helmsman for the 1st time. Your right 5 coats and bubbles (fish eyes) Never had a issue in all my 50 yrs of using polly or a clear coat. I dont think i will ever use it again. I sanded between coats as usual. Got tired of it and used one coat of quick dry polly and woo lah.
    Perfect. I put it on thick, thin and even mixed it with mineral spirits. I don't understand why it wouldn't cover. I even call Minwax.
    Ok im done venting. 😅

  • @scottbionicnerf8727
    @scottbionicnerf8727 Год назад

    Can't remember the name of the product cause the paper label came off the can before I finished using it up. But it was some spray-rubber. I sprayed on the pick nick legs bottom that touched the ground/concrete (though, concrete will sand/scrub it off after enough movement.)deck surface.

  • @elizabethdameron5209
    @elizabethdameron5209 Год назад

    Great video, but I have a question. Mistakenly, I thought tung oil was appropriate for exterior wood furniture. Evidently, it’s not 😢. I’m going to paint the piece, so should I use a primer first or can I just paint over the tung oil? Any suggestions are appreciated

  • @antcommander1367
    @antcommander1367 Год назад

    My suggestion treatment for any projects that either goes damp/moist space or outdoors. use pine tar, it's a historically proven that it will last, even in underground.
    and almost maintenance free too, just re-apply every 10-15 years. if you want wood to last even longer burn it (shou sugi ban) before using pine tar.
    well that is if you can find pine tar.

  • @manuelsousa5507
    @manuelsousa5507 Год назад

    What I did for my Normal Abrams Adirondack chair was was cut, fit and assemble the entire chair. Take it completely apart, paint it, one oil primer and two acrylic latex paint. Then put it together. It's been in New England weather for several years...no problems

  • @andrewj5998
    @andrewj5998 Год назад

    Wood outdoor furniture simply requires some maintenance. throughout the year. We always bring our patio furniture up closer to the house for the winter so it won't get as badly hammered by the sun and snow. I don't like covering outdoor furniture because I think it's a recipe for mildew. I always wonder if this is a problem for people who have their furniture shrink wrapped. In the Spring, the furniture has to get thoroughly washed down - especially if matted leaves sat on it. I use a outdoor furniture cleaning concentrate, a garden hose sprayer, and a soft non-scratching brush designed to wash cars. And like you said, the finish may need to be touched up every two or three years.

  • @nathanlipscomb4671
    @nathanlipscomb4671 5 месяцев назад

    I'm confused. I'm brand new to wood working and want to build some outdoor furniture. I am building extras to sell so that my furniture will be paid for. Everyone is telling me to use treated wood for outdoor furniture, but it has to sit for 6 months before I can do anything with it. You say not to use treated wood, which would be far simpler and cheaper. So, I'm confused. I'm afraid the benches I just made are going turn into a mangled mess once they dry out... any help "wood" be appreciated! Thanks!

    • @731Woodworks
      @731Woodworks  5 месяцев назад

      In my experience treated wood tends to split/twist a bit more than normal pine that you put an outdoor finish on. Not saying it 100% will do it, just more likely. And treated wood has chemicals that could irritate some people's skin.

    • @nathanlipscomb4671
      @nathanlipscomb4671 5 месяцев назад

      @731Woodworks Have you found that some people would turn their noses up to outdoor furniture that isn't treated wood.

  • @westvirginiaminer3046
    @westvirginiaminer3046 Год назад

    Cedar, Teak and Seqouia(spelling) I think are 3 most common outdoor woods.

  • @franciszepeda
    @franciszepeda 4 месяца назад

    Which paint did you use???????????

  • @richadent968
    @richadent968 Год назад

    I like oil base stain on virgin lumber. If they don't want the wood grain, use opaque stain. Should outlast paint.

  • @milkod2001
    @milkod2001 Год назад

    Wood finish is very important but what matters more is actual type of wood you use. Cedar or Oak would last much longer then cheappo pine construction wood.
    Also what matters most is actual design. I live in Ireland where there are more rainy then sunny days through the year and there is ton on moisture in the air. I have build some nice wood planters and cured them with expensive Osmo which is special oil to prevent wood from molds and helps to protect wood. It didn;t.
    My designs are nice but kept water on wood pieces. What you need to do is to design your pieces under slight angles to make sure rain water quickly slides down and there is nothing what prevents water to stay on the wood. Once you have water droplets on wood it will start rotting soon and create black mold. :( Now i have to re-do all my pieces to give top parts a slight angle to make sure water doesn;t stay on them.
    Also pressure treated wood while is better than regular wood with no treatment, also needs to get proper finish. In most cases pressure treated wood is left outside for a weeks/months and even you don; see it it's already infected with molds.

  • @Joeswoodworking21
    @Joeswoodworking21 Год назад

    The pressure treated I used to build a deck for a customer in the fall of 2020 I had to go back this past summer and replace 5 boards that warped so badly I couldn’t beleave it!

  • @davidsorrell1428
    @davidsorrell1428 3 месяца назад

    Do you have a video about your patio cover?

  • @TheMomanslm
    @TheMomanslm Год назад

    Not a big fan of paint. Maybe I've not used the right product but paint doesn't seem to weather well. It can look and feel chalky and then it seems to hold moisture which promotes insect infestation and rot.
    Oil may not be perfect but it does shed the water pretty well and it is easy to touch up when you decide to do it.

  • @moparbaby4592
    @moparbaby4592 3 месяца назад

    What about using teak oil?

  • @scottbionicnerf8727
    @scottbionicnerf8727 Год назад

    I also have people ask me whether or not they need to use pressure treated lumber anything that's primarily going to be outside, and I've always told them 'no', because didn't always paint their barns or smoke houses when they built them.

  • @apenza4304
    @apenza4304 Год назад

    Redwood and cedar are nicer to work with although teak and Ipe are great for strength and durability. Cyprus is another good choice and I wood 😊use it more often if it was readily available in my area.

  • @mommamiap
    @mommamiap 4 месяца назад

    Love ur t-shirt! And enjoy ur videos. Great quick info!

  • @researchandbuild1751
    @researchandbuild1751 Год назад

    shouldn't it be "Cypress"

  • @thomasjent8198
    @thomasjent8198 11 месяцев назад

    What about pressure treated pickets for small craft items jock o lanterns, boxes.

  • @bigJport
    @bigJport Год назад

    What about the common whitewood boards that are at the big box stores? I'm in the PNW and have been told it's pine but i have no idea what it is. If treated with Cabot will that be good enough?

  • @chadgarner230
    @chadgarner230 Год назад

    Another good (and cost effective!) outdoor wood is sassafras. Weather and bug resistant!

  • @PostMortem66
    @PostMortem66 Год назад

    What would you use to protect wood for a planter box for vegetables where the dirt is in contact with the dirt? Worried about the plants absorbing some of the finish and then injecting it.

  • @rockymntain
    @rockymntain Год назад

    8:40 "Zinc coated" screws and nails are meant for outdoor usage. As opposed to the common silver colored fasteners which have a thin nickel coating that will not hold up to outdoor weather.

  • @TKcustomWoodworks
    @TKcustomWoodworks Год назад

    Odie‘s oil Is a food safe finish that they claim can be used outdoors

  • @southpaw406
    @southpaw406 Год назад

    Great information in this video! What is your opinion on outdoor finishes for pieces which may come into contact with heat? Such as a built in table/stand for a kamado style grill? Thinking about any radiant heat from the grill, or direct heat from placing a hot pan onto the surface?

  • @samsen3965
    @samsen3965 10 месяцев назад

    10:32

  • @richardwebb2348
    @richardwebb2348 4 месяца назад

    Ipe wood is a good choice.

  • @bliaxiong6439
    @bliaxiong6439 Год назад

    thanks for explaining and going into detail, i like that about your videos!

  • @scottbionicnerf8727
    @scottbionicnerf8727 Год назад

    TiteBond III is Baptist, TiteBond II is Methodist.😇

  • @petemelendez710
    @petemelendez710 Год назад

    Thanks for the advice I thinking about doing some home projects

  • @WarrenDrakeVRN
    @WarrenDrakeVRN Год назад

    Excellent information. Planning on a couple outdoors projects and your video was very informative!

  • @garyzellner9938
    @garyzellner9938 Год назад

    Like your videos .... I'm a little hard of hearing, so for me, I would like to have you slow down your speech speed 🥰 Just saves me from rewinding to catch all you say....

    • @caseyhoke2362
      @caseyhoke2362 Год назад +1

      Just a friendly FYI, in the settings of the RUclips player you can raise or lower the playback speed of the video, maybe that will help you hear it better.

  • @JB-vf8ub
    @JB-vf8ub 3 месяца назад

    Marine finished are good for outdoor projects.

  • @MarshallLoveday
    @MarshallLoveday Год назад

    GREAT TIPS here. I'll be using a lot of them.

  • @Behindthecatchlights
    @Behindthecatchlights Год назад

    Great power tip! I hadn’t even considered the epoxy solution and it was sitting right in front of me the whole time!

  • @ThayaPlayaZ
    @ThayaPlayaZ Год назад

    Perfect timing on this! I’m working on 2 outdoor projects right now. This is excellent to know!

  • @AW-hg3pc
    @AW-hg3pc Год назад

    pine tar, heat it up, heat the wood and "burn" it in with a torch( make sure not to actually burn it). Leaves a lovely reddish brown finish and a sweet smell(unless you use bad tar)
    we use it on skis, cabins, boats, tool handles basically anything that needs next level protection.

  • @kelvingoliday9245
    @kelvingoliday9245 Год назад +3

    Great video! Great advice. A couple more things I do for furniture on concrete patios are: Use Furniture feet to keep it slightly off the ground. Also, I use a cover in the winter months. In places where you get a fair amount of snow, this will save a little work throughout the years.

  • @ugaladh
    @ugaladh Год назад

    what about putting Flex-seal on the bottom inch of the legs? Is that an option? I've done that on some polebarn corner boards but haven't tried it on furniture. I guess if you move or drag the furniture much, it would wear through.

  • @justonbohannan
    @justonbohannan Год назад

    Great video!
    Thank you for all the useful information!

  • @imsowright90
    @imsowright90 Год назад

    Thanks for the info. God bless.

  • @stevewilson6600
    @stevewilson6600 Год назад

    What is your opinion on poplar for outdoor or indoor projects? HD always seems to have it. Would it be an intermediate between pine and pricier woods?

    • @731Woodworks
      @731Woodworks  Год назад

      A lot of people use that for tables and things. It holds up a little better than pine in some cases.

  • @Mike-ou5ps
    @Mike-ou5ps Год назад

    Howdy Mr. 731...
    I just watched this video again. Noticed that you didn't used to have a patio cover. Did you build that yourself? Where's the video?
    As for the Spar Urethane....Don't use a brush unless it's just a small project. Use some thinner and that Home Max. Works great.
    I'd like to see ya do a more in depth video on using the outdoor stains and finish.
    Good video Sir.

    • @731Woodworks
      @731Woodworks  Год назад +1

      Thanks Mike. It's a DIY kit, we did a video on it a while back ruclips.net/video/CCg6LLA2DnE/видео.html

    • @Mike-ou5ps
      @Mike-ou5ps Год назад

      @@731Woodworks Watched it. Yeap. I somehow totally missed that one.
      My favorite part was when it was done, you were sitting on the banister and the Mrs was sweeping. Done project behind you and you just look off in the distance and say "Yeap".

  • @rdmjone
    @rdmjone 3 месяца назад

    Such a helpful video! You should have your own television show.

  • @cryptoinstagator4390
    @cryptoinstagator4390 Год назад

    I need to know what kind of outlets those are on your column to your right!

  • @mariondorsett
    @mariondorsett Год назад

    I'm looking forward to your bench build. I plan on making one this summer... and this is the precursor for it :D

  • @davedennis6042
    @davedennis6042 Год назад

    I love the power tip. Brilliant!

  • @MitchellRoman97
    @MitchellRoman97 Год назад

    Thank youuuuu

  • @mishellekochel4510
    @mishellekochel4510 Год назад

    Thanks for taking the time to share Matt.

  • @karenmccoy2120
    @karenmccoy2120 Год назад

    Very informative, thank you!

  • @egbluesuede1220
    @egbluesuede1220 Год назад

    I'll second that endorsement for Cabot penetrating oils. I used them on a built-in bench and a patio table set here in Ohio. Ouside and uncovered for two years so far, and they look great. I thought I would have to touch up this spring, but they still look like the day I finished them. Plus you can choose a ton of colors, and further customize the look with various levels of opacity. I'll use these from now on.

  • @Damon_Barber
    @Damon_Barber Год назад

    Great video! Awesome Power Tip!!
    👊

  • @Casenundra
    @Casenundra Год назад

    I would love to see some photos of the roof of that deck.

    • @731Woodworks
      @731Woodworks  Год назад

      It's a gazebo kit, video here ruclips.net/video/CCg6LLA2DnE/видео.html

  • @garysheppard4028
    @garysheppard4028 Год назад +1

    How ironic.
    Cabot's Australian timber oil isn't available in Australia.
    Yes, you can import it from the US but I've never seen it here and it's not mentioned on the Cabot's Australian site.
    Maybe calling it "Australian" in the US makes people think it's somehow tough?
    Dunno.
    Looks good though.
    Wish we could get it here.

  • @S1rAdam
    @S1rAdam Год назад +1

    I will now revert to lead based paint to finish my outdoor table tops.
    Also, what does “most” mean? 3:36

  • @mjstutter12
    @mjstutter12 Год назад +1

    For those using a paint finish good primer and acrylic paint will outlast just about everything

  • @frankd8180
    @frankd8180 Год назад +1

    Always appreciate your input on wood types, processes etc. Thanks for what you do ! Stay safe !😎

  • @fidgetshouse
    @fidgetshouse Год назад +1

    Altitude is an important consideration as well. Another awesome video!

  • @firewolfcreative
    @firewolfcreative Год назад

    Great video! Thanks for answering my question!! I really appreciate what you're doing here, keep up the great work 👊

  • @N46012
    @N46012 Год назад

    Ang ganda ng Videos na ito maraming tips matutunan ko good Evening

  • @davehorn1422
    @davehorn1422 Год назад

    Very interesting, the pressure treated wood for outside furniture, is something I been using.. I won’t any longer. Thank you!

  • @foolishbeast4841
    @foolishbeast4841 Год назад

    I just wanted to say thanks for all of your videos. I have watched them all. just started wood working and have learned a ton watching your videos. The way you explain things makes sense. and I'm more of a visual learner. So thanks again for all the great videos keep up the fantastic work.

  • @sflagg0817
    @sflagg0817 Год назад

    Great video as always question on the sprayer I bought one I’m just about positive it’s the same one and while staining our deck last summer I kept experiencing the deck stain clogging the small tip I believe it’s the blue tip or whatever color tip is required and had to keep stopping to clean it out I don’t believe temperature was an issue it was very high 90s maybe like 97 degrees in full sun thanks for any advice also I did not use anything but the stain

  • @dancascino701
    @dancascino701 Год назад

    Another well done , informative video.. i am considering building some inexpensive storage cabinets to be used along one of our fence lines, ( for garden tools etc) ,so it will be exposed to the elements. what do you think would be the best woods for this kind of project. Thanks

  • @timothyleiby2798
    @timothyleiby2798 Год назад

    What about finishing with epoxy?

  • @centexhomeranch7821
    @centexhomeranch7821 Год назад

    I am getting ready to clean and seal outdoor cedar posts on my deck. I built a new house and have great cedar posts that I want to protect but first I need to clean and degrease. I will get some of that cabot clear coat but would you have any recommendations on an outdoor wood cleaner / degreaser that I can use to scrub these large posts and get them ready for clear coat?? Thank you

  • @MassGradingTeacher
    @MassGradingTeacher Год назад

    Very awesome and informative video.

  • @JSS75
    @JSS75 Год назад

    Great info, other places have it all over the place. I just wanted something simple and not so airborne where I need a full respirator to apply.

  • @thomasg8628
    @thomasg8628 Год назад

    The question about food safe.... i would like to know for growing food in a planter . What do you recommend as a food safe wood finish?

  • @timbarry5080
    @timbarry5080 Год назад

    Nice outdoor sitting area