This is basically the Hunter Hero trees in a nutshell: Dark Range: Sometimes a small purple cloud appears, sometimes a L1 demon dog appears, press this button every 30 seconds to see them. Pack Leader: One of your stable pets shows up a little more. Sentinel: Chance on hit for rapid fire to appear blue. An owl does some blue poops on your target sometimes. Thats everything we are getting.
Rite ret paly gets a whole ass bubble that gets them out of cc and immune too everything and can sit there and heal in your face… we need turtle too be buffed
@@Urgot-BlackPill As always. I left the game in the middle of the S3, but kinda follow the changes and news. The main hunter problem is a very big amount of casual/bad players will play it no matter what, they also think "It's amazing" or dont care about class balance at all, so Blizz have zero interest to fix the class in general / they dont even understand the problems. I wish hunters have the same community like rogues and mages who dooms the whole game if they are not at the top of the food chain (and got everything from Blizz).
Doesn't matter, hunters will still play their 4 button spec, whereas mages, rogues, warlock, druid players actually swap around to the most interesting spec in future expansions. That's why blizz doesn't put effort in hunter nor should they, hunter players will still be hunters the whole xpac regardless of the state of rhe class. If anything blame the hunter community for being too casual (which they are) compared to the other raging nerd class communities, that's why Blizz doesn't put effort in the class.
I will probably reroll to a dk or a war instead of playing hunter, i see sentinel is good in terms of dmg and visuals but i want something that changes the playstyle of the spec and none of the hunter hero talents seem to give that vibe.
Thanks for this video Supa! I will say right now Pack leader on paper looks like the winner for Beast Mastery. Dark Ranger I agree is lackluster not only for BM but still for MM as well with Pack leader and sentinel being the better options for BM and MM respectively. EDIT: Speaking from a performance standpoint for pack leader. Sentinel for MM looks great in both the visual and performance department. Of course for right now things can change.
Thank you Supatease for being the voice of reason for the hunter community. Absolutely based takes, we need more class fantasy, man, we have nothing going for us, I just want my class to feel cool.
Beast of Opportunity is literally DF s3/s4 tier set bonus... it's ok hunters always get short handed and we got used to it Also I can't believe how blizz missed the opportunity to make Black Arrow like a frontal cast that goes through targets and apply a shadow debuff, similar to how Sylvanas shoots in rumble, they could have even added the green marker on the ground so you can aim ur BA shot similar to how Evokers aim their stuff
From a thematic POV I feel like they should make black arrow a cast, castable while moving, just so they can juice up the spell effect and make it look really special
I got colossus ready to main since hunters feel obsolete just like dk but dk already revealed their mighty rework!! Hopefully we see substantial changes to both shaman and Hunter in the coming weeks
I hope they do something with hunter hero talents, like none of them feel like they change how you play like the mountain thane does, which should be the case for all of the hero talents imo. Hunter talent tree and survival tree should also get changes because playing pet build with survival just feels wrong, they should make it a usable build path, for example when you have 2 kc and all they do is generate focus for you, you either cap on focus all the time or have 2 stacks of kc all the time, they should get a capstone with like when above x focus kc consumes focus and does something.
I was talking to my cousin who consistently goes 2400 in arena they need to get crazy with beast master and have a amped up beastial wrath when you turn into a yeti or something and a couple moves change or just stuff like that would go crazy
I know its not related to hero talents and BM has better access to it, but the fact that you still need to talent into multishot to have any aoe as ranged to me is insane
I think the beast tree should focus in way more on bleeding/poisons, from you and your pet, and hitting bleeding/poisoned. Maybe give it a replacement for kill command since that's shared between both the specs, that has a different effect or at the least gets damage amped by Dots (kinda like the dev/press evoker tree) . A tree that "bribes" BM into taking serpent sting, would change the playstyle a fair bit. This would also bring back some of the feeling of ranged survival for the people who miss it.
That, or just go crazy and have bestial wrath summon different legendary beasts, like the DKs horseman tree, that bring effects that you have to play around.
Been playing hunter since LK. Once SV went melee in Legion have been bummed out since. Seem like they are getting short end of the stick again on hero talents plus really need a rework imo :(
My preference on changes would be Pack leader : Instead of 10 pets. Just make your 1 or 2 pets muchmuch stronger with procs or cd's Increase in size etc..like a mini lust for your pets. Also some more fantasy with a volley or trap spells that require you to look where you cast. And give more pet specific spells..balanced ofc, but for each purpose ( solo content, group, pvp,pve, ST,Aoe etc etc) Dark Ranged : Should be more sylvanas themed i agree, like a stun that add chains to the ground, and maybe give you some sort shadow thing, like proc chance to get into stealth for 5 seconds, loosing all aggro and you move at 100% speed. Overall gameplay = Make it more impactfull.. When you use CD..you wanna pump dmg. BW is "okey" as is, call of the wild etc should give a visual good effect..Like a insane volley, or multishot dm or whatever that will make you feel " ohhh shiiiiiittt im doing numbeers" Also i would add a 0.8 sec cast to barbed shot, making it give energy over time and it can stack up to 3.. So you wanna keep that buff active, the frenzy..And then more or less KC and BS spamming in between.
Hunter needs reworking desperately. Hunters nark should be a 30% buff to pet attack speed and make your pets attack that target. Steady shot should replace cobra shot. Remove barbed and replace with 'Blood wound', cause a wound on the target that imcreases the attack speed of all active pets by 30%. Kill command is a touch of death spell, that has a 33% chance to instantly kill any target (ex raid) below 20% or death 180% weapon damage and always crits. Usable on targets below 20% or when proc. Summon pet talent for 2 pets or a similar talent that increases the size and speed of current pet. Two spec variants, either buff a single pet or summon multiple pets. Could play pike an augmentation evoker to buff their pet.
I want a magic archer, not a hunter. An archer who can cast huge arcane, fire frost thunder arrows with visuals like chaman when channeling..and can jump in the air like DH to make rain arrows from above 😢 and you can see you enemies like porcupine with your arrows stacking and bleeding to death 😢. Or a real sniper
As all time BM Nelf hunter, I am glad I left this game 6 months ago and will not return. There are many reasons, woke is the biggest, too much of it, and this is just icing on a cake. As a Night Elf, I will never play dark ranger specialization so as a Bm hunter (who don't play MM or Surv) I can be either BM or renamed BM
it used to be so much worse people would pay for pvp rating to get good gear and then derank with double mm hunter and shit on everyone new to pvp or gearing up
2:47 With respect Supa, If you think that, you have zero idea about PVE. Zero utility + almost zero def (compare to other classes) make hunters bad in M+.
Guys stop being silly. If you've been around long enough, you know that blizzard only put in so much effort just to take it all away in the next xpac. There have always been major Bais and favoritism from the design team, just look at paladin (Wake of Ashes). We all just need to switch to MM and enjoy the tiny bit of love we got.😂😂
I have been maining Hunter for 17 years and here are my 2 cents: the player character is not Sylvannas, Rexxar or Tyrande. I'd advise stopping to expect the impossible and probably think outside the box while theory crafting those new builds, notably Dark Ranger.
yeah, you're right. the player character is way stronger than any of these characters since we've killed literal gods. The hero talents should be more insane😂
Disengage for DR should turn into Banshee mode which is immune to melee attacks for a duration. There too many tunneler love these Devs are giving and we need some counter class against mongrol cleaves. Frost mage cant even control the monkies like it used to. Changes would be desirable for DR. 1. Dark Chains. Tether the target in 5-10 yard radius for 3/5 secs. Target cannot move out of the radius. Replaces Tar Trap. 2. Darkness calls. When disengage, you become a banshee for 3/5 secs. You cannot be charged, shadowstepped or gripped and immune to all melee attacks for the duration. 3. Vengeance- When you Roar of Sacrifice, Faint Death, or Survival of Fittest, you transform into Vengeful Spirit for 3/5 secs altering all shots into Shadow Arrows; healing 50% of shadow damage done to you and your pet. All shots procs withering fire for the duration. 4. Shadow beast: transform Volley. Call upon unholy shadow beasts to bombard the area. Targets bombarded are debuffed with lingering appartions for 5 secs. Lingering Apparation cause x amount of damage over time. 5. Into Oblivion: replaces Freezing Trap. Send a target into Oblivion. The target can be either self, party member or enemy target.
Hunter as a whole needs a complete rework. It absolutely fails at meeting the class fantasy, especially given characters like Sylvanus and Alleria. Worse, the mechanics are at best dated and boring.
Hunter's designer really garbage for a couple of years. You need to play mage if you want some interesting shit, because Blizzard absolutely hates hunters and never puts any effort, really disappointing and also never listens any feedback or communicates. They could better bring SoD team into life, and that would be awsome, becauae those people care and current team sucks.
@@gapplebees9295 can rogues equip a bow or a staff ? (and im talking at the moment because i know, could equip bows in the past and now they can't) and hunters have a melee spec that was so well design and as you can see is the most played spec in the game... you are asking to much of a indy company who fail to deliver a melee hunter, imagine the desaster that will be a ranged rogue
dork, War WIthin is alot more added Bloat to a already massively BLOATED Wokecraft game.! Stop the madness! Blizzard obviously needs new graphic engine and new MMO. Reply
the fourteen of us that play survival are looking forward to your next video
There deleting jt
Fellow survival enjoyers
Make it 15
Lol
16
This is basically the Hunter Hero trees in a nutshell:
Dark Range: Sometimes a small purple cloud appears, sometimes a L1 demon dog appears, press this button every 30 seconds to see them.
Pack Leader: One of your stable pets shows up a little more.
Sentinel: Chance on hit for rapid fire to appear blue. An owl does some blue poops on your target sometimes.
Thats everything we are getting.
Thank you for all the content.
Why there isn't a wrath form (the Sylvanas banshee shit) that replaces turtle and turns turtle into a actual defensive is beyond me
Rite ret paly gets a whole ass bubble that gets them out of cc and immune too everything and can sit there and heal in your face… we need turtle too be buffed
Hunter’s community is pretty disappointed in Hunter TWW so far. Hoping to hear some changes soon.
Yes, the problem is we need big reworks not some damage here and there...
@@palfottablizzard only care about mages, forget hunter rework until late expac.
@@Urgot-BlackPill As always. I left the game in the middle of the S3, but kinda follow the changes and news.
The main hunter problem is a very big amount of casual/bad players will play it no matter what, they also think "It's amazing" or dont care about class balance at all, so Blizz have zero interest to fix the class in general / they dont even understand the problems.
I wish hunters have the same community like rogues and mages who dooms the whole game if they are not at the top of the food chain (and got everything from Blizz).
Doesn't matter, hunters will still play their 4 button spec, whereas mages, rogues, warlock, druid players actually swap around to the most interesting spec in future expansions.
That's why blizz doesn't put effort in hunter nor should they, hunter players will still be hunters the whole xpac regardless of the state of rhe class.
If anything blame the hunter community for being too casual (which they are) compared to the other raging nerd class communities, that's why Blizz doesn't put effort in the class.
I will probably reroll to a dk or a war instead of playing hunter, i see sentinel is good in terms of dmg and visuals but i want something that changes the playstyle of the spec and none of the hunter hero talents seem to give that vibe.
Thanks for this video Supa! I will say right now Pack leader on paper looks like the winner for Beast Mastery. Dark Ranger I agree is lackluster not only for BM but still for MM as well with Pack leader and sentinel being the better options for BM and MM respectively. EDIT: Speaking from a performance standpoint for pack leader. Sentinel for MM looks great in both the visual and performance department. Of course for right now things can change.
Thank you Supatease for being the voice of reason for the hunter community. Absolutely based takes, we need more class fantasy, man, we have nothing going for us, I just want my class to feel cool.
Props to Supa for keeping it real and giving his honest informed opinion. Definitely these specs need work
Beast of Opportunity is literally DF s3/s4 tier set bonus... it's ok hunters always get short handed and we got used to it
Also I can't believe how blizz missed the opportunity to make Black Arrow like a frontal cast that goes through targets and apply a shadow debuff, similar to how Sylvanas shoots in rumble, they could have even added the green marker on the ground so you can aim ur BA shot similar to how Evokers aim their stuff
God that would be an amazingly fun ability if they did that.
They should make it like if you killed the target while doted by black arrow, you get an undead version of the target you killed.
That's pretty dope
This would be so dope
Sad blizzard only care about rework mages.
From a thematic POV I feel like they should make black arrow a cast, castable while moving, just so they can juice up the spell effect and make it look really special
bwhahaha no thanks, casting that long ass aim shot is boring enough
muchas gracias!
I got colossus ready to main since hunters feel obsolete just like dk but dk already revealed their mighty rework!! Hopefully we see substantial changes to both shaman and Hunter in the coming weeks
I hope they do something with hunter hero talents, like none of them feel like they change how you play like the mountain thane does, which should be the case for all of the hero talents imo. Hunter talent tree and survival tree should also get changes because playing pet build with survival just feels wrong, they should make it a usable build path, for example when you have 2 kc and all they do is generate focus for you, you either cap on focus all the time or have 2 stacks of kc all the time, they should get a capstone with like when above x focus kc consumes focus and does something.
I was talking to my cousin who consistently goes 2400 in arena they need to get crazy with beast master and have a amped up beastial wrath when you turn into a yeti or something and a couple moves change or just stuff like that would go crazy
I know its not related to hero talents and BM has better access to it, but the fact that you still need to talent into multishot to have any aoe as ranged to me is insane
Dark Ranger casually summoning a swarm of Dark Hounds when Call of Wild is active
Can you do windwalker?
BM hunt gets the short end of the stick again 😢
I think the beast tree should focus in way more on bleeding/poisons, from you and your pet, and hitting bleeding/poisoned. Maybe give it a replacement for kill command since that's shared between both the specs, that has a different effect or at the least gets damage amped by Dots (kinda like the dev/press evoker tree) .
A tree that "bribes" BM into taking serpent sting, would change the playstyle a fair bit.
This would also bring back some of the feeling of ranged survival for the people who miss it.
That, or just go crazy and have bestial wrath summon different legendary beasts, like the DKs horseman tree, that bring effects that you have to play around.
Been playing hunter since LK. Once SV went melee in Legion have been bummed out since. Seem like they are getting short end of the stick again on hero talents plus really need a rework imo :(
My preference on changes would be
Pack leader : Instead of 10 pets. Just make your 1 or 2 pets muchmuch stronger with procs or cd's Increase in size etc..like a mini lust for your pets. Also some more fantasy with a volley or trap spells that require you to look where you cast. And give more pet specific spells..balanced ofc, but for each purpose ( solo content, group, pvp,pve, ST,Aoe etc etc)
Dark Ranged : Should be more sylvanas themed i agree, like a stun that add chains to the ground, and maybe give you some sort shadow thing, like proc chance to get into stealth for 5 seconds, loosing all aggro and you move at 100% speed.
Overall gameplay = Make it more impactfull.. When you use CD..you wanna pump dmg. BW is "okey" as is, call of the wild etc should give a visual good effect..Like a insane volley, or multishot dm or whatever that will make you feel " ohhh shiiiiiittt im doing numbeers"
Also i would add a 0.8 sec cast to barbed shot, making it give energy over time and it can stack up to 3.. So you wanna keep that buff active, the frenzy..And then more or less KC and BS spamming in between.
Barbed shot needs to be removed. It is annoying
yea right? they should have 3 frenzy stacks passively and only click wrath and kc
The class is 3 buttons wym?
@@shando9922 Then they need to rework it. Jesus christ they are coming with all this new shit and can't rework a super simple spec?
Legion Dire Beast is smoking nervous around there
Looks like I will be swapping mains for the first time in years
Hunter is just bad and boring in TWW
Hunter hero talents :( im sure this is just the rough draft for dark ranger and pack leader.
Is not only visual, the spec feels exactly the same. Just more pets. Rotation is boring. Basically the same DF spec. Sad.
Hunter needs reworking desperately.
Hunters nark should be a 30% buff to pet attack speed and make your pets attack that target.
Steady shot should replace cobra shot.
Remove barbed and replace with 'Blood wound', cause a wound on the target that imcreases the attack speed of all active pets by 30%.
Kill command is a touch of death spell, that has a 33% chance to instantly kill any target (ex raid) below 20% or death 180% weapon damage and always crits. Usable on targets below 20% or when proc.
Summon pet talent for 2 pets or a similar talent that increases the size and speed of current pet.
Two spec variants, either buff a single pet or summon multiple pets.
Could play pike an augmentation evoker to buff their pet.
lets be honest here. the simplicity of BM just doesn't cut it anymore. its a huge drawback for the spec
I want a magic archer, not a hunter. An archer who can cast huge arcane, fire frost thunder arrows with visuals like chaman when channeling..and can jump in the air like DH to make rain arrows from above 😢 and you can see you enemies like porcupine with your arrows stacking and bleeding to death 😢. Or a real sniper
Yeah need more fantasy
Hunter hero talents all have boring as hell theming
I feel like hunters haven't had a good gameplay direction, animations, or satisfaction since... before Cataclysm. Bad looking armour sets too.
Please just change the name of Survival Hunter to Saboteur and make the spec all about bombs, explosions and traps.
So bad they need to fix bm
As all time BM Nelf hunter, I am glad I left this game 6 months ago and will not return. There are many reasons, woke is the biggest, too much of it, and this is just icing on a cake. As a Night Elf, I will never play dark ranger specialization so as a Bm hunter (who don't play MM or Surv) I can be either BM or renamed BM
If you ever faced hunter in 2v2 and felt like quitting, like this post.
it used to be so much worse people would pay for pvp rating to get good gear and then derank with double mm hunter and shit on everyone new to pvp or gearing up
2:47 With respect Supa, If you think that, you have zero idea about PVE. Zero utility + almost zero def (compare to other classes) make hunters bad in M+.
Guys stop being silly. If you've been around long enough, you know that blizzard only put in so much effort just to take it all away in the next xpac.
There have always been major Bais and favoritism from the design team, just look at paladin (Wake of Ashes).
We all just need to switch to MM and enjoy the tiny bit of love we got.😂😂
I have been maining Hunter for 17 years and here are my 2 cents: the player character is not Sylvannas, Rexxar or Tyrande. I'd advise stopping to expect the impossible and probably think outside the box while theory crafting those new builds, notably Dark Ranger.
yeah, you're right. the player character is way stronger than any of these characters since we've killed literal gods. The hero talents should be more insane😂
Disengage for DR should turn into Banshee mode which is immune to melee attacks for a duration. There too many tunneler love these Devs are giving and we need some counter class against mongrol cleaves. Frost mage cant even control the monkies like it used to.
Changes would be desirable for DR.
1. Dark Chains. Tether the target in 5-10 yard radius for 3/5 secs. Target cannot move out of the radius. Replaces Tar Trap.
2. Darkness calls. When disengage, you become a banshee for 3/5 secs. You cannot be charged, shadowstepped or gripped and immune to all melee attacks for the duration.
3. Vengeance- When you Roar of Sacrifice, Faint Death, or Survival of Fittest, you transform into Vengeful Spirit for 3/5 secs altering all shots into Shadow Arrows; healing 50% of shadow damage done to you and your pet. All shots procs withering fire for the duration.
4. Shadow beast: transform Volley. Call upon unholy shadow beasts to bombard the area. Targets bombarded are debuffed with lingering appartions for 5 secs. Lingering Apparation cause x amount of damage over time.
5. Into Oblivion: replaces Freezing Trap. Send a target into Oblivion. The target can be either self, party member or enemy target.
A good Frost Mage is untouchable
its LAME.
Maybe hunter tier set DEV team is also working on hunter design overall. That will explain the SHITSHOW this is.
there has not been a hunter dev for years now, since the last one left during shadowlands
Literally AI generated.
😴hunter dev still asleep
there has not been a hunter dev for years, since the last one left in SL
Hunter as a whole needs a complete rework. It absolutely fails at meeting the class fantasy, especially given characters like Sylvanus and Alleria. Worse, the mechanics are at best dated and boring.
Hunter's designer really garbage for a couple of years. You need to play mage if you want some interesting shit, because Blizzard absolutely hates hunters and never puts any effort, really disappointing and also never listens any feedback or communicates. They could better bring SoD team into life, and that would be awsome, becauae those people care and current team sucks.
Darkranger and hunter in general feel so lame/boring. Very sad
Looks like a very bad disappointment on 2 specs
Just boring good thing I am going undead mage
Yeah this ain't it. Dark Ranger should be a rogue spec. This is super underwhelming.
ah yes because rogue has a lot of range as in the name dark RANGER
@IBrain7896 so rogues can't get a ranged spec? Hunters got a melee spec...
@@gapplebees9295 can rogues equip a bow or a staff ? (and im talking at the moment because i know, could equip bows in the past and now they can't) and hunters have a melee spec that was so well design and as you can see is the most played spec in the game... you are asking to much of a indy company who fail to deliver a melee hunter, imagine the desaster that will be a ranged rogue
So boring glad i unsubbed at end of Wrath classic.
Hunter is a snooze fest. How are these devs so bad at making some of these specs
dork, War WIthin is alot more added Bloat to a already massively BLOATED Wokecraft game.! Stop the madness! Blizzard obviously needs new graphic engine and new MMO.
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