Exactly! With MM spec + Dark ranger and all the dot dmg increase on both side I finally can make the old wrath build with black arrow, explosive shot, stings and decent aoe build I enjoyed the most. 🚀
The chance for Wind Arrows to proc from Rapid Fire needs to be increased to 15-25% and the number of Wind Arrows generated from 1 to 2. In some gameplay I've seen of other hunters, even in high target situations utilizing Rapid Fire Barrage, Wind Arrows only proc'd once or twice, or not at all which feels really bad for getting to Wailing Arrow since it puts a lot of weight on Aimed Shot as a primary generator of Wind Arrows.
You read the intim stun talent wrong. You CAN now use it without a pet.. but the secondary effect applies to all specs. Which makes it a buff for markmanship and the other two specs. It doesn't say you have to dismiss your pet for it to aoe stun
The talent that makes Intimidate cast without a pet works for all 3 classes and is basically a instant snapshot, that way your pet wont run through the room.
Well I only tried the MM hunter and tbh, it just feels better to play it. The old Talent tree was just a mess. I mean You have to get Volley for optimal single target dps... and the improved intimidation is nice and all buuut not needed since I will now just keep my pet on all the time....
The survival mastery 100% boost is only for the defensive % and the 6% is with the buff and doesn't scale with mastery... it's just a flat 3% and 6% within 25 yards of your pet
Really excited to play PHDK with my hunter and priest friend, this looks really promising! San'Layn DK and Pack Leader Surv is going to be such a disgustingly tanky rot comp with so much CC, alternatively you could play Rider unholy and Pack leader BM for the ultimate screen clutter
I dropped my Hunter main for Evoker 1 patch ago, because I hated Hunter survivability. After testing this on beta, I will be going back to my Hunter 😅 The changes are incredible 🎉
Glad the focus for hunters was more on defensives rather than their dps finally. But does it not seem redundant that the feign death talent removes two things that are already removed by mending bandage? Good talent for bm and mm but I guess it opens up a third honour talent for sv.
I'm happy for survival hunters, I really am. But, my little Enhancement Shaman is crying big Tauren tears wishing he had something other than self healing to survive things.
The vsa from mastery is a flat 6% dr, it isn’t scaling with gear Only the dmg portion Idk if that’s intended or a bug The stun without a pet is also adding an AOE stun to intimidate so it’s not a “dead talent” The reset below hp% talent is also for scatter or bursting, not scatter and binding You sped through this too much lol You Need a nap man ❤
While I'm vocally disappointed in the Pack Leader tree, the new changes are pretty nuts. Bursting shot doesn't dr with exp trap which could be a lot of fun 🤣 the self healing is looking to be one of the stronger aspects (lol) of the class which is gonna be sick for PvP!
This might just been an oversight by blizzard n something that hopeful get change in the beta but if you pick wailing arrow in the beta atm you are screwed when it comes to our burst dmg cause it has 0 synergy with Trueshot that reduce cost n make us cast aimed shot n rapid fire 50% faster then we get a slow wailing arrow we have to cast in between when we want to cast more quick n cheap aimed shot in that window also i will never see a use for the talent after readiness that start off by giving a slow wailing arrow when we use Trueshot n generate more wind arrow to have a another slow wailing arrow to screw the burst window up even more also I'm not impressed by blizzard refusal of giving us a simple BL MM can use without pet if they still want that Lone wolf talent to be a thing n even give us more talent in general hunter tree to make us feel even more bad when we have to use our pet to cast BL. Yes the reduced dmg from 10% to 5% on lone wolf might help with single target but will never get close to 5% more aoe dmg because pet as MM do no aoe dmg so it still does not fix the problem where we need to cast BL in dungeon but only fix a problem if there somehow no other BL caster in a raid. But all in all im happy for these hunter changes cause oh boi have we waited years for this
I think I'm going to reroll survival hunter. My very first character ever was a Tauren hunter where I liked to melee shit to death and stack stamina. I feel as if this may be nostalgic.
Don't go wailing arrow it's rubbish, stack all into mastery, open with death chackram, rapid fire, pop trueshot, aimed shot rapidfire plus arcane procs, you shouldn't run out of focus unless the game drags on. Surviving is a PITA but doable.
@@The86Ripper yep, tournaments full of hunters. Kasu on eu and Yoske occasionally on us. Now compare it to rog/mag/dh+random caster teams, mr low tier expert
@@vadyazmey Do you really think the average wow player, let alone the average hunter really cares about high end raiding, m+, parses and all this mumbo jumbo? People just want a class that works and they have fun with. Do you really wanna know what bm hunter misses? Burst. If they ever give us that we will be by far the most complete class in the game by a landslide.
Hell yeah can we finally rework shamans … please. The entire sub is on fire with hero talent trees that don’t even synergize with the actual talents in the tree and some still aren’t even implemented yet.
MM main here, nerf to lone wolf is completely pointless, I just have a macro to summon a pet cast lust then abandon it. These changes to MM are dogshit and in my opinion are a nerf to the class completely. Plus with the current tier 4 set not added into the tree our aoe is going to be horrible. Guess we’re stuck wearing dragonflight season 4 gear
This grenade and explosive nonsense is so fucking stupid thematically for a hunter. Like what the fuck is actually this? Holy shit. What happened to throwing spears and axes like they did in Warcraft 3?
I farm MM on my Sub Rogue. lol If they want to make Hunter OP, give it 2 disengages that break stuns like the annoying ability mage has with Blink. That would make them harder to kill. Also, bring back the original double tap and merge explosive shot with Death Chakram, which will surely pizzoff some people. This whole stamina and sustain damage meta is annoying, bring back the burst meta so people will not complain about DH being OP and meta all the time! Also, I hate how classes are losing the identity that they had for 20 years, the game is starting to be homogenized like ESO. I'm a boomer (well close to it, early gen Z) and I find the sustain meta a bit zzz... We can handle a higher APM.
Dude how could you not show us the new MM talent that lets you fire Multiple Rapid Fires at the same time on multiple targets?? That's what people were excited to see and you skipped it?
Игры
finally, survival hunter that could actually survive
i mean its called survival it should be tankier , i love the change
new survival mastery is a static 3%/6% less damage taken. only the damage dealt portion is affected by mastery rating.
Was gonna say same thing
It's just bugged atm
6% base DR is already insane tier of free DR
Legolas had a pet, its name... Gimli 😂😂😂
If you take lone wolf you should be able to pick which pet talent you want (lust, freedom, fortitude)
Idk why it's not treated like lock it's so dumb
The funny thing is that it used to be like that in the past, so they don't even need to "invent" it, we already had this lol.
Like the warlock talent
Lone Wolf shud be a Survival Talent.. 😒 You gotta “Survive” in melee, cuz ur pet died and can’t tank for you anymore.
@@Sheriff_Kliterally The point of survival is to have a single pet to fight alongside you
they just turned BM hunter into a full fledged DoT Spec
we are slowly getting back to explosive shot SV spec
Exactly! With MM spec + Dark ranger and all the dot dmg increase on both side I finally can make the old wrath build with black arrow, explosive shot, stings and decent aoe build I enjoyed the most. 🚀
I wanted that for so long!
@@MrDevilino321 if u wanna play a DoT spec, its BM now, they just turned BM into a full fledged DoT spec
Waiting to see a mastery stacked Survival Hunter queue as Tank
The DR from mastery is static, doesn’t change with how much mastery you have
Thanks for the video! Great stuff!
Irregardless?!?! Cmon Supa 😂😮😂😮
I used to main MM, seeing both survival and beast mastery get super buffs like this makes me very happy. Ty blizz
Supa can we get a tier list video on the "most fun class tier list going into TWW" and then "best classes for pvp in TWW"
The chance for Wind Arrows to proc from Rapid Fire needs to be increased to 15-25% and the number of Wind Arrows generated from 1 to 2. In some gameplay I've seen of other hunters, even in high target situations utilizing Rapid Fire Barrage, Wind Arrows only proc'd once or twice, or not at all which feels really bad for getting to Wailing Arrow since it puts a lot of weight on Aimed Shot as a primary generator of Wind Arrows.
Gonna need 2 keyboards to bind all those buttons
Its not that bad, i already tested it, it feels way better
Use modifers, gaspedal
You read the intim stun talent wrong. You CAN now use it without a pet.. but the secondary effect applies to all specs. Which makes it a buff for markmanship and the other two specs. It doesn't say you have to dismiss your pet for it to aoe stun
The talent that makes Intimidate cast without a pet works for all 3 classes and is basically a instant snapshot, that way your pet wont run through the room.
Well I only tried the MM hunter and tbh, it just feels better to play it. The old Talent tree was just a mess. I mean You have to get Volley for optimal single target dps... and the improved intimidation is nice and all buuut not needed since I will now just keep my pet on all the time....
Hunter op af
It's good on the hunter tree cos if ur pet is not near enough to you or it dies u can still stun on survival / bm and its also got an aoe stun aspect
I called it. They were gonna do the dk and warlock reworks and then do all the op classes last so they have the numbers to continue to smash them.
Reeeely, i been using Hunter as my Loremaster quester.
I might poke around with it a little.
The survival mastery 100% boost is only for the defensive % and the 6% is with the buff and doesn't scale with mastery... it's just a flat 3% and 6% within 25 yards of your pet
Looks like a good time to come back as a hunter :)
Really excited to play PHDK with my hunter and priest friend, this looks really promising! San'Layn DK and Pack Leader Surv is going to be such a disgustingly tanky rot comp with so much CC, alternatively you could play Rider unholy and Pack leader BM for the ultimate screen clutter
oh im already absolutely terrified of this
Incoming hunter Tank spec! I mean.. we always need tanks haha
"time" nuked my ears
Finally some love for hunter my main dps class❤❤❤ and now i can have 2 Hati and Fenrir on the field wirh active pets😂😂😂
bring back old survival hunter as a hero talent
bring back instant proc or walking Aim shot for MM, casting it is a chore
looool u say that with every class!
Is spearhead a big DOT aswell? Or just gives mutlipliers?
I dropped my Hunter main for Evoker 1 patch ago, because I hated Hunter survivability. After testing this on beta, I will be going back to my Hunter 😅 The changes are incredible 🎉
Glad the focus for hunters was more on defensives rather than their dps finally. But does it not seem redundant that the feign death talent removes two things that are already removed by mending bandage? Good talent for bm and mm but I guess it opens up a third honour talent for sv.
Think they will do a pvp talent rework closer to release. They have done that a couple times.
@@jeffbouchey7267 Really really hoping they do, I can't speak for other classes but for DK a lot of them are just never picked for any reason
Grats, Hunters! I know the wait for a class rework has been a long and painful one this beta.
this makes me want to come back and play survival and i am BM / MM enjoyer
Time for the Jellybeans redemption arc.
finally wont be the squishies class anymore :D
The 14 of us playing survival have mixed feelings but they are mostly positive
The 6 % dr we get from mastery doesn’t scale , it’s always 6%
I'm happy for survival hunters, I really am. But, my little Enhancement Shaman is crying big Tauren tears wishing he had something other than self healing to survive things.
Every video I see is there is a shaman crying like they won't rework the class like hunter was... lmao
The vsa from mastery is a flat 6% dr, it isn’t scaling with gear
Only the dmg portion
Idk if that’s intended or a bug
The stun without a pet is also adding an AOE stun to intimidate so it’s not a “dead talent”
The reset below hp% talent is also for scatter or bursting, not scatter and binding
You sped through this too much lol
You Need a nap man ❤
Please ask for revive pet instant cast with one charge like a DK or Warlock
Double verse is kinda scary
Intimidation aoe stun is nice
Im just wanting a DoT build to be viable as MM that basically feels like old SV pre rework.
Choice node:
Lone Wolf / Pet Special Button without Pet
While I'm vocally disappointed in the Pack Leader tree, the new changes are pretty nuts. Bursting shot doesn't dr with exp trap which could be a lot of fun 🤣 the self healing is looking to be one of the stronger aspects (lol) of the class which is gonna be sick for PvP!
When will shaman get a rework?
Bout time
Ohh the Mongoose biter cleave is nice to
Its gonna be like fury war to cleave. Will get lil tired but im still happy
The defensive portion of survival mastery does not scale with gear.
This is my main.
Where are the visual update on Hero talents
This might just been an oversight by blizzard n something that hopeful get change in the beta but if you pick wailing arrow in the beta atm you are screwed when it comes to our burst dmg cause it has 0 synergy with Trueshot that reduce cost n make us cast aimed shot n rapid fire 50% faster then we get a slow wailing arrow we have to cast in between when we want to cast more quick n cheap aimed shot in that window also i will never see a use for the talent after readiness that start off by giving a slow wailing arrow when we use Trueshot n generate more wind arrow to have a another slow wailing arrow to screw the burst window up even more also I'm not impressed by blizzard refusal of giving us a simple BL MM can use without pet if they still want that Lone wolf talent to be a thing n even give us more talent in general hunter tree to make us feel even more bad when we have to use our pet to cast BL. Yes the reduced dmg from 10% to 5% on lone wolf might help with single target but will never get close to 5% more aoe dmg because pet as MM do no aoe dmg so it still does not fix the problem where we need to cast BL in dungeon but only fix a problem if there somehow no other BL caster in a raid. But all in all im happy for these hunter changes cause oh boi have we waited years for this
YES! Finally! 😂
I think I'm going to reroll survival hunter.
My very first character ever was a Tauren hunter where I liked to melee shit to death and stack stamina. I feel as if this may be nostalgic.
Not even a mention of shamans :,(
Out of all the classes ive tested on ptr hunter feels like one of the weakest honestly.
The sv rework is fire
BTW Mastery does not scale DR past 6%
... Its still relevant in pvp... As is a rogues shiv.
I tried MM today.. feels awful. starved for focus. starved for aimed shot charges. Wailing arrow is worse than aimed shot.
Don't go wailing arrow it's rubbish, stack all into mastery, open with death chackram, rapid fire, pop trueshot, aimed shot rapidfire plus arcane procs, you shouldn't run out of focus unless the game drags on. Surviving is a PITA but doable.
Good, fuck MM. Its only in the game so shit players can play too. It is the most brain dead spec in any MMO ever. 2 button rotation bullshit.
you also have no haste on beta, so that fucks your regen too.
put some time stamps in here for specs n such
Like they needed lol
I wish you had dmg meter up. I have been comparing the dps on your videos but you didn't have it on this one.
Pet needed for sac, freedom/bm/selfheal, heal reduction and intimidation (now optional). Will see how it goes
I feel confident because most of the times it works out, its very rare that blizzard messes up hunters, especially bm.
@@The86Ripper yep, tournaments full of hunters. Kasu on eu and Yoske occasionally on us. Now compare it to rog/mag/dh+random caster teams, mr low tier expert
@@vadyazmeyawc hasn’t seen a hunter in forever lol.
@@vadyazmey Do you really think the average wow player, let alone the average hunter really cares about high end raiding, m+, parses and all this mumbo jumbo?
People just want a class that works and they have fun with. Do you really wanna know what bm hunter misses? Burst. If they ever give us that we will be by far the most complete class in the game by a landslide.
@@The86Ripperyes they do care lol
Hunter never left... most popular classs..... lol
Hunters are back ? Lmao you kidding me right ? They have always been back and OP af
Hell yeah can we finally rework shamans … please. The entire sub is on fire with hero talent trees that don’t even synergize with the actual talents in the tree and some still aren’t even implemented yet.
Confirmed shamans are the most hated class in wow by the devs
BM hunter is winner winner chicken dinner
mastery defense portion does not stack. 12% max. Does not scale.
MM main here, nerf to lone wolf is completely pointless, I just have a macro to summon a pet cast lust then abandon it. These changes to MM are dogshit and in my opinion are a nerf to the class completely. Plus with the current tier 4 set not added into the tree our aoe is going to be horrible. Guess we’re stuck wearing dragonflight season 4 gear
watch me building full haste so when coordinated assoults end ima shoot like 8 explosive shot and delete the whole azeroth 😍😍
I am a lone wolf only mm hunter 😢
GG everybody playing hunter again lol
Haa-tee, not Hey-dee xd
I wish Lone Wolf was a Survival Talent.. 😒 You gotta “Survive” in melee, cuz ur pet died and can’t tank for you anymore. Makes sense to me.. 🙄
Don’t get too excited
It’s first and foremost a PvE game, may get nerfed to oblivion in PvP just like Frost DK did right before Dragonflight
Not really fan of this rework for MM so far. More like re-arrangement. Was hoping for something completely new.
Hunters have a better purge then shaman now? Tranq shot is a 10 second cooldown and greater purge is a 12 second cooldown.
Tranq shot always was 10sec
@@Steezowl yeah but only removed 1 buff.
does Hunter get Aspect of the Fox again? or why is it on your Spellbar?
He's using a fox pet that uses the same icon 👍
@@HunterTxen ty mate
Love to see NPCs playing the game for people
It would be great to have no pet but still have pet utility!!!
no? wtf... It would be great to have even more pet utility, like cata...resummin pets for disarm/stun/sleep/net etc
@@oabh1808no that gameplay loop is/was absolutely awful
This grenade and explosive nonsense is so fucking stupid thematically for a hunter. Like what the fuck is actually this? Holy shit. What happened to throwing spears and axes like they did in Warcraft 3?
Did you just say Irreguardless?
Hunter is back ? When did he leave ?....
They were here for a very little during the shadowland one season 😅
We’ve been ass for a while now
i want one wolf without pet SOMETIMES, give us the option
they could make that a pvp talent very easily
This sounds like no one will play anything else but hunter in PvP. lmao
BM will get a nerf next build or two. Blizzard always over does it on reworks and this is not different. The nerfs will come
I was thinking the same thing. That’s why I’m not too moved by it.
How’s feral looking?
The fact this expansion is focusing on mass AOE abilities makes me sad......just another speed run expansion....
I want survival back as ranged
I farm MM on my Sub Rogue. lol If they want to make Hunter OP, give it 2 disengages that break stuns like the annoying ability mage has with Blink. That would make them harder to kill. Also, bring back the original double tap and merge explosive shot with Death Chakram, which will surely pizzoff some people. This whole stamina and sustain damage meta is annoying, bring back the burst meta so people will not complain about DH being OP and meta all the time! Also, I hate how classes are losing the identity that they had for 20 years, the game is starting to be homogenized like ESO. I'm a boomer (well close to it, early gen Z) and I find the sustain meta a bit zzz... We can handle a higher APM.
and still nothing for shamans
""Hunters are back" for what i know they have always been annoying and Op 😅
nerf hunter into the ground its been too easy to good for too long
Mm will take 1 place of most boring spec now 🤔
Nice, new stupid shit that takes 2 brain cells to dominate arena like demon hunter (bm hunter)
why not make this video after the first round of nerfs when hunters turn to shit dps again
The easiest class yet the annoying one 😂
Play hunter to r1 and comeback.
Underestimating misdirection pvp talent against casters.
Dude how could you not show us the new MM talent that lets you fire Multiple Rapid Fires at the same time on multiple targets?? That's what people were excited to see and you skipped it?