Should I keep my GoPro Hero 12 Black or should I return it back to GoPro for a refund?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- So, should I keep my Hero 12 Black or should I return it to GoPro and get my money back?
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Should it stay or should you GoPro?
Ship away or ride it out Bro?
If it stays it will be trouble,
But affiliate sale's will double...
So come on and let Dave know...
Should he GoPro or just Osmo?
For the record, there will always be a need for helpful videos of popular devices and like you said, keeping this channel more opinion based and your main more neutral will offer the opportunity to create relevant GoPro videos for the next 12 months. And your personal experience with previous generations is valuable! And thanks for the kind words! I'm flattered to be in the company of other great creators!
Now you really have impressed me, The Clash. That's awesome that, Wayne, and definitely not wasted on me. I'm sincerely appreciative of not just your technical and creative ability but now also your lyrical creativity 👍 Seriously, Wayne. Thanks for taking the time to do that, I really do appreciate it and you've put a massive smile on my face 😀
As for your advice. Delivered with supreme diplomacy. So yes, it will be staying. Although I already know that I'll be in for a tough time keeping it because. If it goes there will be trouble and if it stays it will be double 😆
Cheers buddy,
Dave.
Fanboys are blind as bats, Dave as you well know! I was thinking about you caning 20 videos quick and sending it off so you get your money back and getting your afíliate link money as a kind of compensation!
Knowing your experience and knowledge with cameras and audio, the GoPro shocked me. For that kind of money, you’d expect it to get a reasonable picture and do a pretty good job of metering etc., but that first video was all over the place.
Thanks for the heads up, really appreciated. I learn so much from you during our chats. The recent one about 24/25 FPS almost has me converted now!!! It was that Liverpool video on the GP8 that did it. It’s dead smooth ……
I like the fact that you put out exactly what you got.
Alright, Ian. Just a quick one mate, I'll catch up on FaceTime soon. As I've just said to Chris Tomo, I don't even know if I will have that much time to do anything with the 12 over the next month or so. As I've been sent a load of product for my new iPhone and will need to spend more time on my main channel.
Cheers,
Dave.
Upgraded to the 12 after using a 9 for a few years. I am really enjoying the 12, especially with the Max Lens Mod 2.0. Kind of a game changer for my channel.
Upgrading from a 9 is well worth it but the 12 is a very poor upgrade from the 11. The Lens Mod 2 looks awesome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
Hi mate, send it back. It's an optimised v11 so you are not going to get any further firmware or software updates to do reviews on. So let them know what you think by sending it back, and that gives them a strong message that you should optimise existing releases and bring new innovation to next releases.
Yes, you’re right. The only thing that you can hope for with the 12 is updates to fix bugs but no updates for new/better features. GoPro have gone beyond what the processor on the 11 and 12 can do now. We will only see a significant update once they make a new Hero with a new processor. Cheers, Dave.
Keep it and milk it for every view, the test's I've seen is in perfect light it looks great but in anything not so light is rubbish. Boils down to the core functions of the GP- can it stabilise when doing anything 'actiony' including low light conditions. Also glad you are liking the Blackmagic App - it is almost everything I ever wanted in an App.
Hi Tom. You’re spot on mate. I was talking with Ian Craig the other day and we were both saying that it can produce great footage when you’ve got the right light. We’re also convinced that the Heroes are generally balanced for certain condition, “Californian light”. As soon as you get to conditions that we typically have to deal with, then the Heroes can quickly fall apart. Don’t get me wrong, for those 5 minutes of good light that we usually get each year 😂 Then yes, even we can get great footage. Unless something catastrophic rears its head over the next couple of weeks with the 12, I’ll keep it and milk the views 👍 However, for my vloggy stuff, this new IPhone could be my answer, especially with that Blackmagic Camera app. In which case, the 12 may get ignored. Saying that, there’s nothing that can compete with a Hero for pure convenience, in certain scenarios and conditions when they are working properly. Except for stuff by DJI. But as good as the Action 4 is, I’ve now committed to seeing if I can replace the action cameras with a phone for my vloggy stuff and “off the cuff” stuff. It’s a good job I don’t ride a bike, as my practical options would be limited to action cameras 😁
Cheers,
Dave.
You should see me with the iPhone 13 Pro Max in a unlazi cage and a Rode VideoMicro riding past, haha it is something to be seen I am sure. Bit like that clown at the circus on a unicycle :)
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the gopro 12 is by far the best action cam when you use gopro labs and turn OFF noise reduction (NR01=1) and apply temporal noise reduction in post, use WIDE=1 for wider range of colors. no more plastic faces. use LEEMING LUT for fantastic true to life colors. and it looks better than my sony a6400 with sigma 16mm.
Unfortunately, GoPro Labs won’t sort out the blurred image problem in GP LOG. Cheers, Dave
@@DavidHarryUncutaccording to another youtuber it can do exactly that. Set logb400, nr to 50 and most importantly ev to 0. According to him gopro did lock ev to -2.0 if you use the new gp-log function.
@@Flyer2303 Hi. Have you seen the new LOG on the iPhone? It looks really promising. Cheers, Dave.
I will look into this myself. Thanks
Hi Dave hope you're well, my advice for what it's worth, is keep the GP12 and do loads of videos on your main channel testing all sorts of stuff to go with the GP12.
Best wishes stay safe Jon
Alright, Jon. Hope you’re well buddy. Yes, I think you’re right, keep it and keep on doing what I do with it. Saying that, I’ve ordered the new iPhone and the cameras look like they may be really good. Defo some comparisons coming up. Cheers buddy. Dave.
From what I can make out, it's just the 11 with the GPS removed and a firmware/ software. update. Gopro should have delayed the 12 and give the 11 the updated, shame on you gopro
Yes, that just about sums it up. Cheers, Dave
Hey Dave.
I can understand your dilemma as the money could be put towards the new DJI model or towards another phone later.
My GoPro 12 arrived tomorrow (after being delayed for four or five days).
Like you, I have the 11. When I bought the 12, my thinking was that I'll have a little overlap where I have the 11 and 12 and see whether I'd use both cameras. For example, I thought I could use both in the car (but also know that I'll realistically not use both that often).
After a few weeks, my suspicion is that I'll sell the 11 and keep the 12 alongside all my GoPro accessories etc. You should still get over £200 for the GoPro 11, which means I've upgraded for only £100.
I'll probably do an unboxing and a couple of other opinion or accessory type videos, but I primarily bought the camera to be used. I like having an action camera in my collection as it allows me to film shots which my cameras and phones can't (e.g. running, driving etc). The ability to connect wireless mics could be a game changer (and make the mod mic a little reductant). I'm hoping that's good.
For you, I think selling the 11 would make keeping the 12 an easier decision. As your friends suggested, you could do a lot of videos on accessories, mic tests or tutorials. Beyond that, I think it's useful to have it in your collection.
For example. You do a lot of shooting out walking and using tripods etc. In that situation, a GoPro is a fantastic solution for getting a quick behind the scenes shot of how you have set things up. Consider it a useful B roll camera rather than the camera that ticks all boxes.
Granted, you could also sell both GoPros and pick up a new action camera in the future. There's a good argument for that too.
What I would say too is that another option would be to keep it three or four months, do a lot of videos and then sell it if you're not using it. You shouldn't lose too much doing that.
Kevin
Alright, Kevin.
I think my dilemma now is that I have to get cracking on those iPhone 15 videos for my main channel. As I said I that last (stupid long 🤣) response to your comment on that other video. I've been sent an insane amount of product for use with the iPhone and also some new stuff for the iPad. So I'm not even sure how much time I'll have to do the Hero 12 stuff anyway.
If I get any good numbers on my main channel in the first week of the iPhone videos, I may even send that 12 back, as that was my initial reaction anyway. I know I could keep it and do setup videos. However, as I've recently found on this channel, I've gotten more views talking BS than I get on practical example videos and I wont have any time for at least a month anyway to do any proper Hero 12 stuff. It may be the case that the 12 would just gather dust.
If I can get the time, I'll keep it. If not, I'm likely to sell all my GoPro and DJI stuff except one thing. And the one thing may even be my Hero 8, as I've done so much with that and it is mostly well behaved.
Have you managed to test your 12 yet? if so, what's your initial reaction?
Cheers,
Dave.
@DavidHarryUncut haha I'm in the same situation.
I was supposed to complete my webcam review the other day, but the microphone was terrible during my tests, so I've went back to them to double check I'm not missing anything (as I don't want to say they're terrible it they're not). So that video is on ice now 😭
I was hoping to record the unboxing of the GoPro 12 last night, but we had a major issue in IT which was preventing us from developing apps locally. So I ended up spending time on a Google meeting call instead.
I'm hoping to unbox it tonight, but there's a good chance I'll be exhausted as the little one didn't sleep much last night. So I'm running on empty. I do need to get it done though so I need to just suck it up and do it.
Like you, my iPhone should arrive on Friday, so I'm keen to get the unboxing done. I'm going to be a charger and case etc too, so will need time to do those videos too.
From a RUclips point of view, I guess you will get more views doing the iPhone stuff first, and then you can return to the GoPro stuff (though who knows as there's so many RUclipsrs that only do apple videos).
If you're not feeling the GoPro, you could send it back and sell all your action camera stuff...and then adopt a "One action camera" policy where you only buy a new one when you sell the old one on.
I suspect I'll sell my GoPro 11 in a week or so.
Kevin
@@DavidHarryUncut I forgot to say Dave. If you're leaning towards returning the GoPro 12 before the window closes, let me know bid be happy to ship mine down to you when your backlog clears if you want to do a few weeks testing and reviews etc 👍
@@KevinMuldoon Alright, Kevin. Just a quick one. I'm up the wall with these iPhone videos, I'll have to do a proper catchup as soon as I get time for a proper response. Or maybe a sweary video response 😆 BTW. I've ordered a return for the GoPro (just incase) as I think I will be moving to the iPhone. Will let you know how I get on. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarryUncut understandable Dave. No point in keeping it if you have no plans to use it. I'm keeping it primarily on the off chance I do something in the car or when walking or running. I wouldn't need one otherwise.
Well you made this video 11 days ago and i'm scrolling through my notifications to see if you uploaded any Hero 12 content and i see none! I'm assuming you returned it? I think those videos where you explain how to connect an external mic and other helpful tips would have been good! We shall have to wait and see if you kept it! cheers!
Alright, Tone. I’m that pissed off with it that I’ve not bothered touching it after my first few tests. I’ve already got the return label from GoPro and have a week to send it back and it is going back. Cheers, Dave.
Keep it, David, as you say, just as it's a updated relevent subject matter for your channel ,even tho it, as you say, is just a 11 . I might as well keep mine as I needed a second camera anyway and Max lens 2 that I didn't even need to buy as I could have used the max lens 1 with it .
Great honest opinion. Haven't even bothered with the hdr or log after watching your detailed video very valuable 👍
Alright, Chris. After the response of my RUclips buddies, it's clear that it would make sense to keep it and just do "how to" guides and setups etc. As these things don't really need me to like the camera.
However, I'm not sure how much time I will have to do anything meaningful with that camera and this channel. After buying the iPhone, I've been sent a lot of product to demonstrate with it for my main channel. And I'm gonna hazard a guess that I'll have more luck with iPhone 15 videos as opposed to Hero 12 videos. Plus, I really do need to grow my main channel.
If this had have been a different time of the year, with no other products around, or if I'd have been blown away by the Hero 12. There wouldn't even be a decision to make, as I would have kept it for my own use anyway.
Cheers,
Dave.
shit on gp12 until GP pay you to stop🤣🤣🤣
Hi, Leon. GoPro haven't got enough money to shut me up. So it looks like I’ll just have to carry on shitting on the Hero 12 😂😂😂😂 Cheers, Dave.
I’ve had mine since Wednesday and it’s going back on Monday
I use my 9 for Timelapse videos and the 12 lasts half the time on same settings!
Tested a few times on different batteries and same story
Typical go pro fluff
I can see a lot of people who’ve already got a Hero and bought the 12 as an “upgrade” sending it back once they work out that it’s not much of an “upgrade”. Cheers, Dave.
When I use the Max Lens Mod 2.0, my battery is draining pretty quick. With the OEM lens in standard mode, the battery is lasting longer than my 9 does. Maybe it's just me?
I’m sending mine back along with the lens mod 2.0. I’m genuinely not enjoying it.
I can totally understand why. My first reaction, and my thoughts now, are the same. However, if I plan on critiquing the 12 in the future, having one would support my views and demonstrations. On a slightly different note and I know these things are usually for different uses but do you use an iPhone? I know it's not an action camera but I've been playing with the new Blackmagic Camera app on my iPad and it's awesome. As soon as I get the new Pro Max I'm going to do some serious testing. For my general vloggy stuff, an iPhone with the BMD Camera app may be a great combination. Anyway, unless I uncover any big showstoppers with the 12 during the next couple of weeks, I may keep mine for the purposes of critiquing and guides. Cheers, Dave.
Im a simple man, keep it, use it, if it breaks, shuck it in tha garbage, get a new one.Rince repeat
Looks like I’ll be going back into my rinse and repeat cycle 😂 Cheers, Dave.
well Wayne tells you to do a thing, you do the thing. everybody knows this
Yes, that's all I needed to know 😆👍 Cheers, Dave.
How about sending it back and get the osmo action 4.
Hi Justin. I was already tempted to get the Action 4 before buying the Hero 12 as I already knew it was a great camera. The problem now is that I'm thinking about using a phone for my vloggy stuff, so another action camera may not be the right move. Cheers, Dave.
Guyz I just bought GoPro hero 12 black but my GoPro footage is very very very blurry and low quality even I have best 5.3k quality settings. 💔😣
Can anyone help me please??😢
I kinda think I have wasted my money 😞
Keep it. Many companies do what Go Pro is doing. Ask yourself, what physical components can they add to give it features the past ones don’t have and keep the relative costs in line?
Another example: LG Oleds. I have the 2019 C9 model which was the first model to get HDMI 2.1; My parents got last year’s C2 model. It’s almost exactly the same TV hardware wise, but their being 3 generations newer; they get a dope ass gaming software setup that tells you when Freesync is active, what your VRR is - and the one that pisses me off the most that is exactly like your situation: Dolby Vision Gaming. My TV will only support Dolby Vision at 60hz on the XBox X. My parents TV will do DV gaming at 120hz on the XBox X. So what’s holding mine back from doing the same? Nothing but a firmware update. But will I get one? No. Because then why would anyone buy the new model?
That’s just how it is now in tech. Everyone in tech adopted Apple’s model of giving everyone yearly Fomo for hardware that’s almost the same that doesn’t need to be replaced for several years.
Rather than be angry about it, you should keep the camera, inform your viewers that they’re virtually the same and rather test the software and firmware differences between the two. And try to help your viewers determine if GoPro is making genuine advancement in their software and firmware that justifies upgrading from an older model or getting it over a new 11 being sold on clearance.
That’s what I think you can do. Because what you’re angry about is standard in almost all forms of tech. If you can adapt to that perspective I bet you’d be on their influencer list in no time getting free gear to review.
For what it’s worth, this GoPro 12 had the best stereo sound separation of any of the camera’s you’ve tested that I watched. I had my headphones on and the positional sound when you moved left, right, back, etc. was by far the best of any of those I’ve heard you test.
Keep it Dave. I know you’re like me and you’ll regret losing it later over anger. Guys like us always want to be rocking the latest gear. 😜
Hi, Gary.
You are absolutely right. For the cost of manufacturing with many tech devices, true innovation will cost more than the consumer is used to, or willing to pay. As you rightly say, we see this all the time.
I use LG monitors for my computers so I was interested in looking at their TVs. I went to Richer Sound and Lewis’s a while back to look at some LG TV’s. I managed to see three different C series TVs, I think Richer had an old one that was old stock. In causal viewing I couldn’t really see any difference across the three, definitely the last two were hard to tell apart.
I get that they all had different image processing units, that get progressively better and I believe that the panel technology also improves with the progressive iterations. However, once anything has got close to, or peaked, in performance. It’s unlikely that you’ll see much improvement unless you take another step up financially.
At that point, it’s usually firmware and software that makes the difference in “minor” updates. Although, there’s nothing minor about the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz, especially for gaming. So yes, whether it’s a GoPro Hero or LG TV, we are going to be forced to pay for minor updates with the latest one, that won’t ever be introduced in the previous one.
On the point of gaming, I’m a mad casual gamer. I use the Series X and PS5. Although I don’t really game on PC, because I’m terrible with a keyboard and mouse. I’m fairly much agnostic with gaming tech. Although, I’m very partial to gaming on my iPad Pro, Warzone Mobile is my addiction at the moment.
I use my iPads connected to a monitor via a USB C hub and play with a PS5 or SX controller. Basically, using the iPad as a console. And even though the iPad doesn’t have a 16:9 output. It’s basically a mirror of the iPad’s screen aspect ratio, roughly 3:2, pillar-boxed into a 16:9 frame. Plus, it’s only 60Hz. I just can’t stop playing on it.
Actually, that also proves the point that if you use/play on something that’s got that killer app/game/function that you’re totally in to. Then updates or “the next big thing” quite often don’t matter anyway. Which is why many people are perfectly happy with their “older” action cameras or TVs.
BTW. I’m getting that iPhone 15 Pro Max. If that has good cameras and can be used on an external monitor for gaming with its new GPU with more cores. I’ll be a like a dog with two dicks 😂
Anyway, I’ll be keeping the Hero 12.
Cheers, buddy.
Dave.
I returned my first ever go pro, version hero 12.. reason? My 3 years old Xiaomi phone is just better, im so used to get very good image quality from my phone that when i used the go pro i just felt dissapointed with the blurryness and noisy pictures and samples from videos in close range are no clarity or focus from go pro camera, even in 4K. : (
We can swap, I give you my hero 8 black for your hero 12 black.
I already have an 8.
😢this is sad reality that innovation and ideas are in loss and copy cats grow high. Gopro were the first to get us such awasome invention but copy cats started doing the same and florishing. I personally feel if we dont support original innovations we are not going to get innovative inventions in future. Gopro people may not earn their daily bead if we all send them back. It is still a great product. Its a difficult time for them as well where market is competitive and they hv to look for their survival and market is down post covid due to economic slowdown. Copy cats cant bring new inventions. I am keeping mine with love.
Hi. I get what you are saying and it does make sense when you look at it in a certain way. However, there's another way to look at this. Do GoPro really deserve our support when they are clearly not innovating? Cheers, Dave.
i stubbled here because i am in the market for an action cam in near future, watched a few vids. which from your experience tells me the gp12 isnt for me. But as us southerns might say your a mouthy northern, which usually means you tell it the way it is. With perhaps no pleasantries, but thats fine. To much on the net of people being diplomatic. to cut it short i was going to say your not happy with it duck it off back to go pro........ But as you kind of do this as a source of revenue, would it pay for itself, doing more videos and certainly ones when Go Pro do an update to correct issues. TO tell your youtube followers that its still a crock of shite, or since the latest GP update its the best thing since sliced bread?... OK your attitude isnt going to get you on the go pro xmas card list, but whats better being honest or being diplomatic. but i do think you are right in that so many companies, release something that isnt ready for the public at large. So are so bad that no self respecting scouser would nick one let alone buy one. SOme get fixed over time with software updates and some dont. keep the world informed if it actually gets fixed..... As for your older go pros are you really going to do videos with them and about them? likely no, so recover a few quid and get shot of them
The problem with things such as the Hero 12 is that after all the big suckhole channels have done their thing, most people/viewers just end up believing all the BS that’s being fed to them. Anyone being critical and telling the truth, may as well be pissing in the wind or pissing directly on themselves.
If the morons and sheep just want to put the blinkers on and go into super fanboy mode, then fair enough, there’s f..k all you can do about that and those pricks don’t deserve to be saved. However, for anyone who is looking at all this with balanced and open minds. Then it’s always worth making videos that critique, as these help to balance the equation for the open minded.
Anyway, I’ll keep making the videos for the enlightened and I don’t give a rats arse for those who just act on hearsay and jump on the bandwagon of the feeble minded. Like those who equate being a Scouser to being a thief 😂
Cheers,
Dave.
I got my first gopro 12 , i put the sd card too far inside i cant get it out , will a gropo shop be able to get it out ?