The Final Scene in The Idiot by Fyodor Dostoevsky - Book Meaning and Theme
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- Welcome to the CodeX Cantina where our mission is to get more people talking about books! Was there a theme or meaning you wanted us to talk about further? Let us know in the comments below! Una wanted to talk about the ending of "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky and share his view on the meaning of it with judgment and life recall. Reference article links are provided below but the goal of this channel is to think about it in the context of literature and life and not be a discussion on science.
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Thank you! "The idiot" is the book of my live. I think the men in "The idiot" represent a way in which men interact with beautiful women they are interested in. One abuses her, but wants to get rid of her when it turns out she is smart and forceful and has an opinion of her own, one wants her for money etc. Rogozjin although being 'evil' loves her obsessively like fire that consumes her and he is honest about that {the other men are not!}. He is like a force of nature like a 'rape' which leads of course to death, where as the Prince is like the holy matrimony of marriage. It is like Nastasja's hart is scattered between the two forces, one being nature and one being christian....? This even fitst the idea of the body {Rogozjin} and soul {the Prince} division for Nastasja. The book is deep and complicated and this is just one thing I feel about it, and I might even change my opinion later....
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for making these great in-depth videos.
“Judging” is a consequence of taking any position, or believing in any idea. The only way not to judge would be to embrace total relativism.
Myshkin does judge people. Only, he forgives them instantly. He has a strong sense of right and wrong. If he didn’t, and if he didn’t judge anyone at all, he could just as well be a nihilist. Today’s relativism is precisely that: an absence of judgement (for fear of offending). The difference between Good and Evil is a whole other thing. Christ is the utmost Good, he forgives, but BOY, he judges.
I don’t think Myshkin battled with feelings of revenge. My sense is that, above the simple narrative level, Dostoevski wanted to depict two characters as the embodiments of Good (Myshkin) and Evil (Rogozhin). This is why they meet in the first pages of the book, as symbols of the most fundamental ongoing battle in the heart of every man.
Thanks Tom
I think it depends on what you mean by 'judge people' he judges what people think or say or do, not the people themselves.
I must admit, you have a great talent of talking and your videos are so very well put. I would love to see you analyse and talk about some of Dostoevsky's other books.
That is very kind of you to say. We plan on doing Demons this winter! We have The Brothers Karamazov up right now. That’s such an amazing book to discuss and there’s still so much I need to learn!
I was so excited to get to the final scene in this novel. Not because I was anticipating anything, I just wanted to be done with it. 🤣
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Thank you for this series, keep up the good work
Thanks
Sometimes, art teaches us things long before science gets there (if science ever gets there at all).
World is a crazy place
Thanks for making this video! I honestly was left quite confused by the ending, as I knew it meant something, but wasn't really sure what it could be. These thoughts pointed me to the right direction for sure 👌🏼
Glad our views could resonate with you. Cheers
Daaaamn that was deep. This analysis hit really hard in me
"Just a single man, Fyodor Dostoevsky, is enough to defeat all the creative novelists of the world. If one has to decide on 10 great novels in all the languages of the world, one will have to choose at least 3 novels of Dostoevsky in those 10. Dostoevsky’s insight into human beings and their problems is greater than your so-called psychoanalysts, and there are moments where he reaches the heights of great mystics. His book BROTHERS KARAMAZOV is so great in its insights that no BIBLE or KORAN or GITA comes close.
In another masterpiece of Dostoevsky, THE IDIOT, the main character is called ‘idiot’ by the people because they can’t understand his simplicity, his humbleness, his purity, his trust, his love. You can cheat him, you can deceive him, and he will still trust you. He is really one of the most beautiful characters ever created by any novelist. The idiot is a sage. The novel could just as well have been called THE SAGE. Dostoevsky’s idiot is not an idiot; he is one of the sanest men amongst an insane humanity. If you can become the idiot of Fyodor Dostoevsky, it is perfectly beautiful. It is better than being cunning priest or politician. Humbleness has such a blessing. Simplicity has such benediction."
from all that I have read of Dostoyevsky's, I do agree, it is his most "Christian." or at the very least, his Christian ideals are most solidified and straight forward. There is a very good conversation to be had in regard to some of those final thoughts in regard to "living the Christian life," its possibility, and how it is represented in the novel. Really great final thoughts!
Thanks, Pae
Excellent as always!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thank you! Aw shucks, dyin' to read this again. Painful to disclose how much i identify with Myshkin, with the major difference that i am middle class, not aristocrat. That flash of life's meaning that we ascribe to moment of death can occur at other moments of life as well
It’s great when we find ourselves in books
it is so strange for me to hear discussion about judgment in that video (instead forgiveness or anything else). Myshkin is the only person in the book who do not judge anybody, it is his key characteristic, Dostoevsky try to show what our life can be if people will not judge each other. Everything and everybody provoke prince to judge, to choose a side but he withstand that pressure, totally refuse that kind of actions. And this is what lies behind Dostoevsky's idea how to "restore and resurrect a man" and how to be "entirely positive... with an absolutely beautiful nature". And that simple attitude (not to judge) is almost unbearable burden for people.
I had this struggle with how Myshkin forgave everyone and instantly through the whole novel and the breakdown and references to Book of Revelation at the end. I feel you on the active love and definitely see how there are parts of characters like Zossima in various characters and even Alyosha represented in this novel.
Myshkin does judge people. Only, he forgives them instantly. He has a strong sense of right and wrong. If he didn’t, and if he didn’t judge anyone at all, he could just as well be a nihilist. Today’s relativism is precisely that: an absence of judgement (for fear of offending). The difference between Good and Evil is a whole other thing. Christ is the utmost Good, he forgives, but BOY, he judges.
When you speak about Richard Dawkins low hanging fruit in his book I agree with you about his books when it comes to him a lot of the times hes using low hanging fruit but I hear a lot of atheist or agnostic people say the same thing you said that if you go by biblical standards it’s impossible to live a perfect life or a Christian life but I believe that’s also low hanging fruit because what makes Christianity Christianity is Christ and so Christians know that they can’t be perfect and so that is the purpose of Christ Christians would say if we could be perfect then Christ would not be needed so I believe That’s also low hanging fruit and not that I’m agreeing or disagreeing with you on your perspective I’m just saying it’s not a steel man argument when you tell a Christian it’s impossible to be perfect because 99% of Christians are going to agree with you
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The ending of this book is so complicated and difficult to understand. I immediately was not able to comprehend any possible interpretation myself, but also was not compelled to anyway. This video doesn’t do anything to help, and provides no useful insight, in my opinion. I wouldn’t recommend this video to anyone. Nice try though.
Sorry the ending didn’t click for you.