(Service) Dogs & Training Tools
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- A quick overview of training tools I’ve worked with (martingale, front-clip harness, head halter, prong), how to use them, and the relationship between a service dog and training tools.
I have always called it a Gentle Leader.. BUT SNOOT LOOP IS SO MUCH MORE ADORABLE 😍😍😍
Any tool can be abusive. It is the way they are used that makes the difference. Some tools can be easier to have issues with. If you are going to use any tool do research first. This video is great for this. In fact I really love this video for that.
I love this video, I appreciate that you talked about what you should and shouldn't do with each tool. However, I would like to add just a few things. (For anyone watching the video and for you next time you talk about these tools)
The head halter- one thing you forgot to add is what the worst case scenario is if the person using the tool doesn't desensitize their dog to it. The worst case scenario is that the dog will completely shut down and won't like going on walks with it on. This is why it's so important to teach the dog that the head halter is a good thing.
The prong collar- everything you said about the prong collar was correct except for one thing, it doesn't actually matter where you position the loop of the prong because no matter where the loop is, every time you correct the dog it will distribute the pressure all the way around the neck and won't damage their throat unless you apply WAY to much pressure. It generally is recommended that you don't put the loop in the front, not because it's dangerous or anything but because it's harder to use that way because every time you correct them the prong will move which may create inconsistent corrections if moving around the neck.
As I said in the start of my comment, I thought you did a great job explaining the tools and I appreciate you taking the time to do this. I promise I wasn't trying to be rude and that I just thought I should add just a couple things you missed.
You were correct on many things with the prong collar but the placement you described is incorrect. The prong collar is meant to sit with prongs to the front and loop/leash to the back. Many many professional trainers have stated and shown this.
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Thank you for talking about the prong collar in particular. So far I've only had a negative view of it since the only time I've seen it being used irl was when my dad used it on our viszla.
The dog has some behavioural issues that probably won't ever be fixed because my family doesn't work as a team and I also don't live there anymore. They seem to mostly ignore the dog and then wonder why he is misbehaving (he only has toys because I got them and had a go at them for not getting him any). They don't bathe or brush him (while this breed does clean itself, you should still help them every now and then) etc
My dad really focuses on the negative and doesn't treat good behaviour. He used the thing you put around the muzzle and tightens as a correction. But he just slapped it on him and was confused why the dog would claw it off his face, even making himself bleed.
Next was the prong collar that already looks scary. And me having seen how badly the dog is treated anyway and slapped and beaten for misbehaving instead of treated for the good things
I was obviously against the spikes. But now I see that the issue (apart from dad being an animal and child abuser) was that it was way too big and that dad didn't just give small corrections. The dog ended up so scared he wouldn't move.
Sorry for ranting, it just upsets me that I can't just take my four year old pupper and try and work through his "problems" with him
Again, nice to see a responsible dog owner explain things properly :)
I LOVE this! Indi is fine on a flat collar even as an sdit, but she is getting a prong for when we work in our yard with her desire to play with squirrels! We have lots of trees and they love them. This is EXACTLY how to use a prong! 👏🏼👏🏼❤️
This is my first time seeing your channel, and so far, I really like it! Love how you explained each tools pros AND cons. I have 4 Great Pyrenees, which is what my sdit is. It was really hard to pick a size prong for him he has shorter and less thick hair for a pyr, and my others had extremely thick hair. I was worried it would thicken up as he grew and the prong wouldn't be effective anymore, but that hasn't happened yet!
Ty for the feedback!
Prong collars are abusive
Alexa Chase That is incorrect. One educated on how they function and how they’re made would know so
I have 9 dogs (one being a SD and one being a prospect) and they are all APBTs. My oldest dog (The SD) is 2 1/2 years old. She has a super short cost but doesn't respond to a Mini prong so I decided to do with the 2.25 and she listens much better in it.
Thank you so much for suggesting not putting a tag on a martingale I’ve been doing that and didn’t know it was bad thank you so much!
Those pictures are of embedded prongs from leaving it on a puppy and out grew the collar... same thing happens to flat collars
I really enjoyed this video, it was super informative! I never knew about the different prong sizes being for fur length, not for the size of the dog! (and that information came from a professional trainer that uses prongs all the time lmao) I'm very glad I watched this video because I had been considering switching my thick undercoated dog to a 2.25mm because I thought the 3.0mm might be too big. Also, from multiple sources, I had never heard anything about wearing the prongs on the front and the loop on the back being bad, only about what height on the neck is bad, so thank you! I'll be sure to never do that with my dogs again. (I mostly have the loop on the front because we're learning heel, but I've had it on the back in the past)
I also love what you said about trying positive first and I totally agree. And I related so much to all the other no-pull walking tools you have lol. I can't tell you how many no-pull tools I have sitting in a box that I tried before a prong 😂 My dog also didn't care about the front leash attachment or the gentle leader, she just walked crooked like Lucky too lol!
Wow. So helpful! Thank you for taking time to explain this!
Thank you so much
You did a great job explaining these tools. I will add, if you do use a flexi leash or long line, ALWAYS have it clipped to a y front harness, leash on the back. It is the safest way to use those leashes if they run and hit the end of it since it won’t hurt their neck or face like any collar or head halter would if they sprint into it. Those harnesses can also be counterproductive, as it’s very comfortable for them to sled you around, their chest and shoulders is the strongest part of their body, that why huskies wear harnesses to pull sleds. It’s comfortable and won’t damage them. Because of that, I only recommend using a y front and long leash if your teaching recall or if your dog is already well trained and understands loose leash walking. You’ve reached the end of my Ted talk 😂
My dog will not have public access and he will not be going into any place that doesn’t allow pets but he does do service dog tasks and he is highly trained and well behaved. I’m just curious what you use for reference
Hi! I found you through tiktok and love your content there and here. Just started following both a short time ago.
I have a question though, and this seemed like maybe the best video to ask it? So I'm training a service dog (not for me, for an organization for veterans with PTSD. If you'd like to know more let me know!). Roughly a week ago, we were at the mall for public access training. And while working on commands, a largish dog, I think a bull mastiff, walked by us. Not directly but close enough to catch my dogs attention. Also, it was an intact male, in case that maybe matters as a cause. But as they walked by, my dog barked loudly and several times. I was freaking out but the trainer that was working with me grabbed his muzzle and kinda yelled no. He had a stern word with him and then had him sit, still holding his muzzle. This is my first time training a service dog (or any dog beyond sit and down) and I was wondering what you thought of that correction? Also what you think may have caused him to go off, though you dont have to answer that.
Sorry this is so long! Thank you for taking the time to read it. Again, love your content!
Hi, I just came about this channel and going through the comment. Since no one answered, I thought I would even though it's been a month or so.
I would NEVER hold the snout of a dog, it can hurt them but mainly he could bite... especially in your case, since your dog was in another state of mind. So, I absolutely do not recommend this method. They are many other ways to correct that.
And for the why your dog reacted... we can't say... we weren't there.
Hope this help a bit!
Hi There, I would agree with @Judith, there are many different ways to correct that behavior. For me and my PSTD SDiT, I use a few different commands depending on the situation. My SDiT doesn’t bark in public but she can be aggressive when it comes to toys when she’s off duty. OPTION A: I usually use the word “No” with a sharp, deep tone with a quick tug of the leash to get her attention (We use a regular collar and leash, sometimes a hands free leash). Then, I use the “focus” command and transition her into a sit. OPTION B: if the barking is loud and excessive, I will clap 👏🏽 loudly while using the “Leave It” command to get her attention. Then, I immediately follow up with a “focus” command and bring her into a sit position. I’m not sure where you’re at in your training, but the moment I taught her “Focus” she learned the commands and proofed tasks so much faster. I hope this helps!
Love your channel as well
My friend who uses a prong uses the rubber caps because her dog is allergic to the metal and so needed a hypo allergenic solution.
Did they try a curogan herm sprenger? It’s a hypoallergenic type of metal. Rubber caps are fine but it can pull their fur, which is why I recommend a curogan instead
I have a gentle leader for my dog and he didn’t have to get used to it cuz he didn’t mind at all sometimes it is itchy for him and I will just move it a lil and then he is fine
So what I noticed was that you said to never put the loop on the back/top of the dog's neck because it will shove the prongs into their trachea. This is not true if you get a Herm Sprenger prong collar. Herm Sprenger prong collars have a little plate where the trachea is supposed to sit so that the prongs do not hit the trachea. I see that you have a pet store prong, basically the only difference it that it has a fabric clip instead of metal and it doesn't have a plate in the middle. (Link to a herm sprenger: www.google.com/search?q=herm+sprenger&sxsrf=ALeKk00lJA25t33JSsPz6gAwSwjgLnjOaA:1610600401530&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsiLuG0pruAhUHTN8KHZmxCcYQ_AUoA3oECBIQBQ&biw=1920&bih=1007#imgrc=DTPsQtSOQ193oM ) Also can I attach a head halti to a prong?
There was a video on how to train your dog to wear a head harness a dm she just put it on and started walking and said “the dog will get used to it soon!” Like,,,,,, NO!
I have a service dog in training, and I use the face halti and it works wonders Elsa is very good at heeling but I have her wear when go some wear just in case
I know a lot of people who use flexi leads in the community who use it in place of a long line
Where did you get the head halter from?? I've been looking for a while for one :o but i can't seem to find one :
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Could you please tell me where you found your prong collar with wide collar, really enjoy your videos they have been very helpful
Prongs can be quite painful for dogs it can cause problems in their brain and through and sometimes it is fadel
I have an american pitbull terrier so which one would I use?
Which tool or size prong? For prongs you should have the small links. For a tool you want to see what works best for you
Do you have a link for that GORGEOUS prong collar? I would love one for Baron, thanks.🥰
Sorry, but they were made by Trained & Maintained. She’s passed away
@@luckydal2059 Oh I’m so sorry thank you! I saw the beautiful tribute you said about her, but I wasn’t sure exactly who is was. Now I know who the loved Gal was.❤️
My dog has a medium size prongs she is a short hair dog but her neck hair is very long
Me: *has a low pain tolerance*
Me: *bird at work playing with the collars*
Me: *wonders if prong collars hurt*
Me: *SLAMS PRONG COLLAR ON ARM"
me: *cries and realized I'm an idiot*
Me: *still bored..*
Me: MAYBE IT WONT HURT THIS TIME!!!
Also! These tiny lil prong collars for like chihuahuas..are those necessary for such a small dog? I feel like there are definitely better options there-
my dachshund will choke on a flat or choke collar, the prong has yet to choke her because it spreads out the pressure
im not a hater (in fact im subscribed) but i was thinking about getting a prong collar for my SDit, but its illegal where i am so i looked up why its illegal to use them and this is what it came up with
"Prong collars
These collars are used to correct unwanted behavior. Even if used without corrections, these collars can still cause pain, discomfort and injury to your dog and, in extreme cases, brain damage (Grohmann et el 2014). Under Australian Customs legislation, it is illegal to import 'pronged collars'."
i feel too uneducated to make a decision on ether there ok or not but this makes me feel like they are abusive, but i watched ur whole video and so now i think that maybe its because people using prongs are using them wrong, but thats just a guess of mine
I promise you that they can be great training to tools if used correctly but any tool no matter what it is used incorrectly can be abusive
@@jaidensjungle2309 yeah everyone knows that, so then why only pronged collars banned in aus?? man i hate my country
@@Myersstatus I would give anything to go there instead of america i can barely get my insulin that keeps me alive they like to profit off peoples disabilities and illnesses here insulin cost like 240 US dollars a vial and they make it so high because they know we have to buy it it’s just Horrible people here are dying from not getting what they need to survive just because people only care if they make money most peoples bodies make insulin but some of ours don’t and so we are paying almost 300 dollars for it? It’s so cruel sorry I bombarded you like that it just fires me up I love Australia 🇦🇺 I hope to live there one day. Do they allowed e collars I use a mini educator on my Diabetic alert dog and seizure response dog and I’m very curious how different your laws on service dogs are
@@jaidensjungle2309 yeah that sucks but aus is also 10 years behind in everything, also we have amazing service dog laws but in aus we have to call them assistance dogs, also i looked up "can u use e collars in aus" and it came up with:
Legality. Although the use of electric shock collars is illegal in New South Wales, South Australia, and the Australian Capital Territory, they are able to be used in all other states and territories, although often with restrictions on use.
are country is also very stricked on things, i have to get a god damn license to own a pet frog!
@@Myersstatus really?! You have to have a license to own a frog? I could walk down to my pond right now and grab one and it could be my pet that must really suck I have two pet budgies or parakeets I personally call the budgies and they are so sweet and I didn’t need a license to own them either it so weird how different things are
Do you use boots for dal or no?
I want people to realize prongs can be good and bad when used if they wear one its fine but the dog before wearing on should be leash trained or it can mentally and physically harm the dog if the prong is used to pull a dog it can choke them so what i do is i put it on my neck to feel what they would feel exactly with a shock collar there bad and if its on 2 and you but it on your wrist its gonna hurt so people need to watch what the do with the tools and how the use them either wisely or not and the not can lead to a dog being put down
How did you cover your prong?
Keeper collars sells covered prongs. Kimberland collars sells covers that Velcro onto the prong. And my favorite: point blank powder sells powder coated prongs, so my dogs is bright teal rather than silver.
if the prong doesn't hurt the dog, how is "a little uncomfortable" enough to change the pulling-behavior? I'm pretty sure your explaination is not how the physics of pulling and weightdistribution work in reality, according to your demonstration.
i don't understand how the prong could be anyones favorite workingtool when there is so much more one could achieve just with modern methods. It's like saying a hammer is the best tool to clean your windows.
I have a question anyone can answer my puppy who is 7 months old always tries to chase cars I'm not sure how to teach I've tried clickers
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I personally dont like prongs or e collars just because i dont personally like negative association/“correction” methods of training
I’m not being mean but I’m just wondering how does your dog learn not to do bad behaviors or not to do incorrect behaviors?
Well it is abusive! The last tool is very abusive.
Why do you think it's abusive? Have you ever seen a handler CORRECTLY use one? Before I can explain my opinion, I wanna hear why you think this. Not hating, just curious :)
They aren’t. I’d also like to know why you think so that I may debunk it
Anna Grace it’s because I have horrible dreams of. People murdering dogs very badly.
Alexa Chase That does not justify a tool being called in humane or abusive.
Alexa Chase That does not explain why you think it’s abusive. Did someone abuse a dog with a prong collar in your dream? Because if so, they most likely did something to it such as make the ends of the links pointed. If used correctly, this tool is not abuse and is very humane.