The Unfixable Problem with Riot's Most Hated Champ
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Good vid Rav, in theory she is an interesting champion but in game it's just stupid and full of bullshit for both teams. Hope you'll get to make your IE video too
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#downloadedBUFF Ultimatederogan think they need to make more engaging champs unlike yuumi
She's no champ, but a late game *Mythic Item*
So fucking true 😂😂
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Nah she's like undiagnosed tumor. She can be malignant or benign.
Fun fact, Skooch managed to reach an average game apm of 7 while playing Yuumi
He still wasnt playing optimally
he had hard time achieving that so it misses the point
@@FrostyPeppercorn bro even when he was he proved the champ is like 4 times less skill than the base champs
@phantom thief alibaba people can also win 4vs5 with an afk or even 1vs9, what is the argument of playing a champion bad and still winning? Do you think that an afk soraka with an apm of 7 winning cause she pressed R a bunch of times at his fed top laner is a motivation to remove that champion as well? If they were consecutives games won with apm of 7 then you could get an argument that Yuumi low skill rate is too low and a real problem but only one lucky game that could be won with an afk is really funny to prove that point (Funny part is that the games where he tested werent done solo but with a friend who could carry and in a normal blind pick on top of that)
@@derpplayer2292 That's the problem though, is Yuumi's purpose in game (along with the game and roles itself imho). Yuumi is designed to be the champ your girlfriend or little sister plays alongside you. No macro, no micro, maybe a ward here and there, but nothing else is needed and the player can still help out without knowing the game at all. Yuumi is literally designed for casuals, for people learning, for getting your mom to play with you. That's why Yuumi's a literal magical cat, with cat memes and cutsey dialogue, in friggin LoL... she's designed to be accessible and a starting point to help out someone who already knows, before you try another support.
Compare that to a Morg, who needs to know positioning, wave management, jg timings for ganks, ward positions, and be good enough to not steal cs or ks. Or any other support, be it Rakan or Lux, who is dependent on their actual skill and knowledge of how the game is played, who can track enemies and allies during team fights, who can gage when to jump into a fight and help steal dragon, etc. That takes more than skill fam, which casuals simply do not get.
Like it or not, League has a super steep learning curve. It's fundamentally simple, but now that there are a gazillion champs you have to memorize what they do, all with different skins so they never look the same, and training yourself how to actually see what's going on and follow aa's takes a buttload of time and effort. And even then you will be feeding while you learn, with toxic teammates flaming you for being an actual noob, and feeling awful and not wanting to devote the time to actually get good.
Yuumi is Riot's answer to their oversaturation. Same with Viego, someone who is easy to play and can snowball but also expects you to learn other champs as well. There is far more to character design than just looking cool or being OP, and as much as Riot's been dropping the ball for their hardcore, loyal base, they are making the game more accessible with champs like Yuumi (but also far more cheat-able with bots).
I've said it before, and I still stand by this: Yuumi would be a much less obnoxious champion if she *also* took a portion of the damage her "host" takes and/or she wasn't immune to non-targeted abilities.
This and actual mana drain while staying attached.
as an sup player I agree with you, yuumis invulnaurability is way too much and instead of removing it making her take damage and have mana drain makes her balanced and the way of fixing this is making her passive heal her and give a bit of mana everytime she aa
Even Vladimy looses health while using W
OR, she just shouldn't exist in the game. And this is not my opinion, this is actually - Riot's opinion. Cause before the release of Yuumi, they were adamantly nerfing everything to stop the funnel tactic. In case you didn't realize by now, only Riot games can try to stop funnel by accidentally releasing a funnel champ. And only Riot games can let a tactical game where the point is to destroy base become a pvp arena. League of Leggo will always be a disaster.
@@Lazarus_ReSpawn League ceased to be a tactical game. Instead of tactics, it relies on reflexes and complex champion mechanics.
Pokémon unite just made a Yuumi equivalent, in Comfey, and I think they nailed how to handle the attaching mechanic.
Comfey gains passive stacks over time when detached (and extra ones when in a brush) that are spent to increase the effectiveness of the heal. Comfey also has to detach before attaching to a new target. The heal is decently strong with stacks but borders on nothing without them.
Riot isn’t getting rid of the attaching mechanic with the rework. So incentivizing detaching is the key to balance. Making a full AFK Yuumi useless while making an active one useful should be how she is fixed.
I want Yuumi to take credit for all kills and assists to whatever champion she is attached to. Make her into a true parasite.
Hots also has a similar champ in Abathur, given how his primary ability is the little hat he gives people which provides a shield that heals mildly while active, an aoe dmg burst around the attached champ, and short range dmg skill shot.
What balances him is that despite having global range on the hat, he is still vulnerable and on the field while using it, and combined with the lowest health ingame plus being a melee attacker he has to hide in a bush lest he get one shot while using the hat.
this is literally what nearly every yuumi main wants, me included. I also would want riot to add that yuumi takes damage (less than the actual ability so she doesn't get insta one shot from everything) but still takes damage from AOE spells like twitch poison, xerath w, etc. I think this would also balance her out.
@@renepineda1449 Doesn't really work for Abathur since he can just sit in base instead and be entirely untouchable. Aba is probably worse design than Yuumi, actually, since he also breaks a couple of talents purely by existence.
@Firellius Abathur COULD sit in base and do nothing, but that makes his W worthless until his tier 2 keeps are being attacked or are dead, since he no longer has the talent that gives it global range. The mines, while they may not do the best damage, basically act as blue wards with a built in self defense mechanism, so they can be used to discourage enemies from taking objectives.
Fun fact: Got clickbaited into watching a vid a while ago where a grandmaster player got his 7-year old son to play league in high elo ranked with challenger players, put him on yuumi, and after pressing w his son carried the entire game while playing as bad as a child with no game knowledge would. He'd just q, not get pushined, miss, and then do it again, and then press e at random times, ulted sometimes too, didn't press w or ward a single time. Just delete the champ, please
Lmao 🤣 🤣🤣
is this the bizzleberry vid? he played yuumi so well and got his kai'sa so fed hahaha. god i hate yuumi
I can turbo int with yasuo too.
Might as well delete the champion. x'D
2:38 The best thing about Rav is how self aware he is
Like I always say: if I could remove two champions from the game from among Yone, Yasuo, and Yuumi (the 3 Why's?), I would remove Yuumi twice.
Omg this is what I telly girl and friends always ban the y squad. Yas, yone, yuumi some times yorik tops be a mess for my ello too but again it's another y
@@acereraser6758 I almost understood what you wrote.
I would remove yone and yasup lmao
Remove yone but do not do this to my yasuo I love this champion and I don't suck those who suck at this champ are the fking players that are running him
And Yi, another Why
tbh the most frustrating part about Yuumi to me is that she's completely invulnerable while attached. I could deal with the rest of how her kit works if you were just able to kill her while she was attached.
I'm fine with single target attacks like autos or Jhin W only working on the person she's attached to, but multi target attacks like Jhin Q or Brand W / E / R should be able to hit her.
If they nerf brand to unplayable I will agree with this change, but then also buff her considerably.
@@Glenner359 wish granted. brand is already unplayable
tell that to low elo players who are still getting fkd by him.
I mean, it really is an easy fix. Just make CC on the player Yuumi is attached to knock her off of them, and keep the cooldown afterwards for being able to reattach. Gives her counterplay and an incentive to detach on her own to avoid the long cooldown, and maybe actually use her passive more than once every five years.
Also make ADC Yuumi a thing, it's hilarious.
@@Glenner359
Bro really thinks a non-mobile champ has been usable outside of season 4 😂
She is still op as long as she has her W attachment
the adaptive damage she gives fr is the main issue.
A suggestion I saw is she should share a portion of the damage of her attachment takes so she can’t just sit on bruisers all fight or she will die.
Maybe in silver lmao
ight bro whatever u say
They should make her W like Rakan E. Where she give buffs to team mates for like 3 - 5 seconds but she can always be targetable. And E has a small AOE radius that heals her and everyone surrounding her but only up to 1 team mate.
Maybe they could tie it into the lore where she gets hit by a car and everyone just stands around clapping.
No this is a job suitable only for Truck-kun.
It wouldn't be a Rav video without a loss. #ourhero
Yuumi's win rate is heavily influenced by the myriad bots who run her and achieve around 20% wins. Rammus, Taric, and Annie also have this problem to a lesser extent.
winrates usually come from plat elo and above, these bots are only in iron-silver
Never look at winrates below plat+ because the game should not be balanced based on low elo.
@@lolzorze Bro, I was playing on my alt *(I'm only like gold 1 peak on my main, but I almost never play ranked) which is bronze 4, in order to play with my actual shitlo friend, and I have never in my life seen a more retarded group of individuals. Every fight is winnable to them, even if they are one shot to ap mf AA with only support item, it is literally anyone's fault who they aren't queued with, and are incapable of ending the game and/or taking objectives when they should, and instead would rather force baron whilst behind with whole enemy team up.
Chat Restriction is always the biggest motivator to play more ranked. Blame Riot for no banning ranked for me all together.
the point is to stop you from being toxic, not from playing ranked
it convinces me my toxicity is working, they're starting to report me, good.
@@wyzmeister5067 duh
@@wyzmeister5067 everything about the game is designed to make you toxic.
@@wyzmeister5067 depends on what your definition of toxic is. If telling someone not to feed, asking how someone is 0/4 in 10 minutes and jamming early surrender right at the minute mark, then that sounds like opinion that no one should get punished for when you can mute. You can’t mute inters or afkers though
LoR found her fucking owner. Let the cat's journey end.
Yuumi was the catastrophic result of Riot listening to a Reddit Majority and Streamer complaints despite the fact Pro Play showcased the Godly Potential of problems she could bring to the table. She then got overbuffed and now we got this cat gluing themselves to anything remotely capable of 1v9'ing while essentially ignoring her playstyle being meant to encourage hopping off and attacking or hopping from champ to champ in sequence.
The fuck are you talking about? Did you watch any of her time in pro play? She was basically JUST used as a duo with Zeri because they synergize well with each other and nothing else, and even then, they both did relatively poorly. Currently she's in such a poor spot she has one of the lowest winrates in the game across all elos. You people must really suck at the game to cope this hard with losing to yuumis in soloqueue. She is literally the single easiest support in the game to beat right now, dude. You don't like how she works, I get it. But she is not op, you just suck at dealing with her.
Duo with Zeri? I'm talking about on release Yuumi. Look up some history. On release many claimed she was undertuned despite professional play having her at a incredibly high pick/ban rate. Resulting in a cycle of complaints into overbuffing. There are literally videos explaining the history of the champ and how she went from "terrible spot" to everyone's most hated champion.
What I explained is basically a TL:DR history and what the modern Yuumi player mentality evolved into; The Heal-Battery
Didn't they used to lock you out of picking champs at one point?
They could start doing that for champs so that they can balance them.
No they would always only disable champions while they have popular game-breaking bugs. But they did remove old Poppy and old Yorick from the free week rotation to lower their playrate even more.
@@royavidan
Yeah, I know for bugs.
I'm saying since they have the ability to do that, they should do that for other reasons like balance or reworks instead of doing this.
I personally would view that as a better marketing tactic too.
They used to ban people for playing eve. Champ was so bad, you were considered inting if you locked her in.
@@royavidan Gangplank wasn't bugged and they removed him
@@cymtastique otps exists and some player can play even the worst champs at an ok level, removing the option to pick a champ for balance just isn't a choice that is conceivable. It would be a blatant "we can't do our job properly so fck you" kind of move. You think it's okay there because it's yuumi but imagine they ban a champ that you like to play ?
Honestly they should make her like Io in Dota. She has to tether to a person and that tether keeps her in a specific range, but she's still fully vulnerable to getting jumped
instead of nerfing her to oblivion they would need to make Yuumi take x% dmg when attached
But how else am I supposed to afk on the 13/2/4 heartsteel mundo top?
I agree , something similar is present on a champ on Dota 2. Io ( the champ) is a small supp that thethers himself to someone and guves them bonus damage , regen and mana regen . But he takes 75% of all the dmg the tethered player would take
@@maximus2463 IO doesn't take damage when the person she is tethered to is damaged, but you can still attack IO so it's fair unlike Yuumi.
Or if not % damage then like AOE damage still hurts her but you cant target her, or the reverse, AOE and skill shots cant hurt her but you can right click her model and directly attack her with autos and click abilities. A Veigar could ult her right off of someone's back.
I'd say kinda like the one guy said with say brand, make it so aoes damage her for say 5-10% of the adc s damage (kind of like tanking it for them), but then her damage/heal/stat reward would need buffed to compensate.
Easiest way to fix yuumi: release a similar champ so people have to think twice about banning her
Just like Yasuo and Yone
but then you start running it into games were they pick both and the team cant be stopped.....like yasuo and yone
Wdym? I don’t understand making a champ with similar problems to force people to choose which ctrl c ctrl v clone they hate more to ban?
@@rabidcabbage7230 League players have the IQ of a banana, when you make two similar champs they split the hate.
@@Sn1peSh0t112then you suck if you lose to a Yone and yasuo they are some of the easiest countered champs
Idk, how about rework yummi into a tank sp, have her W becomes her R with high cooldown and limited duration with limited hop from teammates to teammates. The hop don't resets the attached duration but a kill or support gives more hop like ahri's R.
They should make her into a champ in lane and her ult is like a brand style buff to teammates she bounces on. The fact she can win a game just by being an extra item on an objectively bad player playing a hypercarry is so busted.
@@asmokun Or they could make her attaching mechanics work like that of Abathur from HotS. So she can "attach" to allies from let's say twice as far, but her book stays on the point she was (and can be controlled, but has to be in range with the person Yuumi is on atm). Enemies can target the book and kill Yuumi even if she's attached to someone.
An idea:
Give Yuumi a starting item like Black Spear. Let’s say “Page of Book”. Yuumi casts Page of Book on any ally. When Yuumi attaches to that ally, they get the current benefits. When Yuumi attaches to an ally that lacks the page, they don’t gain the free stats and move speed, they’re just a hiding place for Yuumi and she can heal/shield them. It restricts her being able to just turbo boost the super fee assassin, because Paging the wrong ally early would be a disaster (if implemented well). It would be very beneficial early to Page your ADC
But let's say the Yuumi just doesn't use the page early game and saves it for the most fed teammate late game. That would make her ADC's life even more miserable than before.
I’ve only encountered one Yuumi like this and it was such a painful turnaround for the enemy team. Yuumi had almost 30 assists from their 1v9 midlaner who ganked more than their jungler. I got support gapped by an AFK Everfrost bot.
5:40 World class healing on Amumu
honestly, the only way i can see you can nerf out of this game is, she takes % dmg while she is on someone
and not like knights vow, it will just be a strick downside
I had a similar idea to where if she was attached, she and the ally she was attached to took 50% damage from oncoming attacks. So, Draven doing 450 would cause Yuumi and ally to each take 225 damage.
I think also maybe reducing her max hp too.
@@cymtastique if they did that, full tank Yuumi would be nuts
Just make it so yuumi takes 33% (or more) health damage if she was still on somone when they die. So yuumi might preffer to bail out quicker.
@@randomcatname7792 full tank yuumi wont be able to heal nor deal dmg
Yumi's W should be like a Blue/Red buff, have a duration and then have the Yumi do something to give the bonuses again to the same champion, she could then jump to another champion once the buff is on cooldown for the Hypercarry or go clear a ward to get the buff back (and that would reward not getting afk on the hyper carry and actually contest vision like a support should) that way it would get rid of the bots too, if they make being afk on the hypercarry useless after a certain timer, there would be a window of oportunity that the Yumi team should take advantage of to teamfight, as her ultimate suggest, and it would be way healthier than being an extra item for the hypercarry after 12 minutes into the game.
The problem is that Yuumi is every negative aspect of Abathur from Hots without any of the positives or give and take that having an Abathur on your team means. She also has a hard cc teamfight ult which a champion of her design frankly should not have at all.
HotS still has a playerbase?
The easiest to land skill shot In the game too.
@@thepapavulture8322 Small one but yes.
What if the nerf can be:
that after x amount of seconds of staying on the same champion the ratios on her abilities begin to decrease with the decrease scaling upward for x amount of seconds? With a cooldown for being able to latch onto the same champion the time stayed on them recently. Which only comes into effect after 10-12 minutes? (Laning phase?)
It would force her to be more proactive in timer counting when moving between other teammates with not wanting to lower stats, but also forces her to be more exposed more often than she is now?
I think we should just rework Yuumi into Skarl. Hop on someones back for limited amount of time, convert some of your stats to their stats.
-A portion of your health is converted into an overshield on them. The shield (your health) absorbs a portion of all damage the target takes (you take some damage for them). Percent of damage absorbed scales with your current health (as low as 0). Any overshields she has are given to the target while mounted and these overshields absorb all damage before either health bar.
-While on a champ or in a bush, you can control your q by recasting (not perpetual control like Sion ult, just redirect it with each recast).
The first one makes poke more meaningful, the second makes the q more dodgeable. And the w should be temporary until it is at max rank. This makes the early game more of a normal lane phase without nerfing it to the ground and even opens up lane Yuumis who want to go mid/top as they can max something other than w first. Or, if you're Riot and like to add full paragraphs to abilities, you could give her a stacking passive that tracks how much healing, shielding, and damage absorption she's done to allies and grant w duration up to infinite at max stacks.
Even with those nerfs, I had a ranked game against a Yuumi. They lost pretty badly and the yummi and friend tried to argue she is in a good spot.
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6:49 LOL HIS K/D/A EDIT XD
2 months ago I broke my arm and couldn’t play anything except for Yummi. I think that was the longest win streak I had
5:57 looking up nooses on amazon looooool
Funnily we always talk about bad yuumis, scene where yuumi goes from rengar to zoe, rengar actually could been saved by GOOD yuumi. Good yuumi is more easily countered because they use their passive because that one shield can make huge difference.
doesnt matter what you do to yuumi, as long as theres a fed guy he will squeeze everything from yuumi just to make her work
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Yuumi is beyond fixing through changing her numbers, the core design of her kit is so genuinely unhealthy that it's a wonder how she made it past concept. She makes her allies into hypercarries with the least amount of effort possible. We've all heard by now of the guy who climbed by duoing with himself in the botlane by playing Yuumi with his feet on a second computer under his desk. If a character's design even allows someone to do that, that character doesn't belong in the game. Simple as that. The fact that Yuumi can take any champion and turn them into a raid boss by pressing W and not moving for the rest of the game is absurd, the difference between skill and effort put into playing Yuumi and the results of doing so is like if you gave someone a 6 figure salary for checking their emails once a day.
That early fiddle game I think you could have dove with that fiddle and gotten the kill, reset and jumped out. But also he should have not committed to the dive, seeing that you weren't.
TBF that's what happens when your support locks in Ashe. You better snowball out of control or she's utterly useless outside of pressing E and R once a while.
ahahahah the circle placed on the death counter got me
Playing Yuumi really detracts you from the average league experience so much that it should've been a temporal game character to laugh at in april's fools.
I like the concept of attaching to people but it would be nice if the power was placed more into her champ then others.
No speed boosts or extra damage.
I've seen a couple broken concept champs in other games before, and they're either super hard to play, or have reliable ways to be kept down, or both. So congrats Riot on completely and utterly failing to meet either of those requirements
The marks on the k/d/a score board get me everytime
I believe that old russian moba did better. Their Yuumi analog had time limit on attachement, also had 2 abilities that you need to mouse control full time (offensive and defensive swarms that were following player mouse their whole duration), which mad her far more skill-heavy character.
Removal is never going to be a thing just because they already sold skins and stuff.
The closest and sane decision that they can make, is to turn W of this character into ultimate with a temporary duration and significantly increased passive effects, so it can double as save-yourself and help-your-adc-because-god-knows-those-are-in-dire-need-of-help.
That would also require to do something with her passive ability, and i would imagine turning in into some kind of conditional proc or temporary toggle-able that changes your skills would be the only way to make her into somewhat decent character without wiping the whole slate of abilities clean and creating a new one.
But you know, that's me talking, the shitter with like 8 years of game design, so i can't even persevere the ingenious patterns of Riot with their 200+ more.
yuumi may join the prestigious ranks of the 40% winrate corner where post world nerfed zeri ryze and azir lurk
And she'd could've been the Support version of Braum but Riot decided she should be made for baby's first league game.
In low elo there are so many Yuuni bots, coded to help sit afk and heal on a player.
I actually ran into this on my low elo account. I placed in silver 3 and had 2 games straight with 2 separate yuumi supports that were clearly bots. One on my team, one on enemy team. Because I was smurfing, we were able to win both games, but if it were 4 actual silver 3 players along with a yuumi bot, IDK how they would actually win. Especially considering the bot is very poorly programmed and will only sit on the ADC.
Every time you say Ms Frisbee I keep looking for a rat because of The Secret of NIMH
Really they should stop with her being a heal bot, and make it so that she's more of conditional god-steroid based on proactiveness, and MOST IMPORTANTLY put more risk in the kit by making a reason for her to dismount as well be able to receive damage while attached. My thoughts:
-FIRST OFF she needs to share damage with the host, this makes the host feel the benefit of having the cat and makes Yuumi vulnerable while attached still
-Remove her heal and W stats, and turn her passive into a stacking Regen, AS, and Haste Buff while in combat, with stack cap increasing with levels - stays simple, but requires activity
-The removed heal (E) would now enhance the next damaging attack or ability to grant shield and slow (moved from Q), shield no longer indefinite - more diverse and needs timing
-Q now has a lower cooldown as the new passive stacks up (due to haste) but has increasing mana cost like Kog R - powerful but needs to scale with mana regen, also maintains passive
I am not a fan of Yuumi also just being an item most of the time, hence removing W stats. The new passive with it's high amounts of stacking AS/Haste are better over Adaptive power because it requires consistent engagement instead of just increasing the likelihood of one-shotting. Theoretically it's better, but requires longer engagements and consistent contribution
Her W might feel empty without the stats, and she needs a good reason to dismount, so my fix would be to give her a good CC for dismounting that's also risky:
-W dismount is a (very) short range dash that causes Yuumi to gain a small shield and maul the face of the first champ hit counting as attached to them
-the attached enemy takes increased damage and can only target Yuumi for the duration, other enemies can attack her as well
-If Yuumi takes damage to her actual health the ability ends, but if it lasts for the entire duration she hops back to the previously attached ally
-would work with new E active to get larger shield and slow the enemy, stretching the duration of the slow for the attach period
This plays on her attach mechanic further, makes it a high-risk / high-reward ability, and it becomes better with better shield scaling which works with the new E active, also funny af
(I thought about it being a fear where if enemy dies she jumps back, but then people would just hold onto the ability until they see someone low health, and it's not as risky that way)
I saw someone say it should take a percent of the damage dealt to its host and I think that would be a good idea
Conversely Yuumi can save a game when your jg is busy dancing in base and top is behind.
The part that makes yuumi so toxic to games is that as long as she's attached to another player, she's completely untouchable. It's a bullshit mechanic. You give any champ a five second invulnerability ultimate and the community would be rightfully outraged and this bullshit goes on for minutes at a stretch.
Make it so when yuumi is attached she will take the same hp procent dmg as her host. So like her host take 35% of his hp down so does yuumi
I don't hate animals, i do not condone any kind of harm towards them but for Yumi? She can pass away in the most horrible way possible.
I mean if they want yuumi to be useful early game and not a parasite give her auto attack range back so she can get off people and bop the enemies.
Intentionalle feed the game (0-4)
Rav on the casual 0-5 powerspike (definitly not feeding)
Rav: makes video about building IE sooner
Also rav: builds IE 6th item
Did I do that this game?
@@Ravlol the jinx one haha. Was that just filler footage? I thought it was footage of you trying to show off the IE changes and getting trolled as always
NGL, when I saw the silhouette I thought it was the deer that sometimes appears on the map XD.
i permabanned yumi in every game since it got released , u don't need more than 2 braincells to realize why u should also permaban it too
They should buff yuumi, but, make her only able to attach to another champ for 6 seconds, scaling 3 seconds each point spent, with a per champ CD of maybe 30 seconds or something.
01:30 Super weird but interesting build for jinx.. a long range useless item for first hit but u get closer to botrk faster that way
Problem is champs that get no counterplay. How do you counter a heal that grants movespeed.
Karma does this with shields and that's bonkers already.
I wouldn't mind if yuumi was a 5head support type champ with infinite skill cap.
Outside of her players being at least 30% botting accounts and the rest being as brainless as any other random player i have never had issues with yummi. Another case of a champion being OP in pro play and then getting killed for the rest of us.
I don't have a problem with her in lane phase if she is bot. My problem with her is she's an extra mythic item that can perfectly cover the downsides of a lot of melee champions that play top and jungle. Not all. But a lot of them. She can heal them, attack speed, CC, extra engage, a big shield, and GTFO. On top of just a boatload of extra damage. The problem isn't that Yummi does what she does, the problem is she's a support that isn't geared toward an ADC and can throw the game into chaos.
For some of the strong level 1-2 assassin types Yummi can just straight up never got bot, attach to the assassin jungle, and snowball them so hard so fast noone can keep up. With nearly zero counter play. Doesn't matter if it's low or high ELO. With the right teammate jungle Yummi can just clean up. Then there's people who play Yummi support top, which seems all sorts of wrong. A top support. But with a top lane bully... between the extra engage speed, attack speed, heal, and the CC slow can just end the lane. As a top main whenever I see a Yummi attatched to a Sett, Gnar, or something I'm just done. I know it's just sit under tower until eventually I'm 2 levels ahead and they can still tower dive me with impunity and win. Any lead I gained in levels up to that point by being solo in the lane will just disappear. It doesn't happen often, but it's happened often enough I know how it's going to go.
A Yummi support bot isn't why I hate Yummi. It's what she can do if she just writes bot off as a loss before the game even begins and goes to do what her kit actually makes her good at. Supporting everything except bot lane.
Does anyone know what he said about the free buffs before you skip ahead? I didn't watch that part so I'm kinda confused.
Sure she'd loose that flavor, either remove the ride side of her or better yet, let AoE damage her. That way whoever she latched on, has to think how/who he's fighting because he might inadvertently kill his champ/item and it would negate the afking.
Riot called it a rework? They only nerfed her.
A rework would be like giving Yuumi counterplay like:
Yuumi now has a cd on riding her squadmates, unlike that cop in the recent memes.
Yuumi now needs to wait for a champ to be out of combat before switching seats.
Yuumi can now be targeted for 3 seconds after using an ability while technically still inside someone.
I don't know, just, ... some counterplay?
Making a champ have low hp and low resistances is not really valid counterplay if they can remain untargetable until the champ they are latched on to dies and that champ is only buffed by that champ being untargetable in them.
Pretty much the purpose of Yuumi is to have there be the most braindead champion possible for autofilled players to play and not be inting as hard as if they were playing Thresh. Naturally, Riot has no idea how the playerbase functions and will just play whatever is the most "fun" regardless. Why do you think they made jungle so much simpler now?
"Reverse LeBron" 🤣🤣
The best fix outside of removing her would be to remove her W. Just make it so Q does the damage it would do when attached but now it only fires in a straight line like it does when she is not attached. Make the W a shield that gives some buffs for a short time that she can not target herself with. Make E be a targetable heal rather then a heal self when off and heal other when attached. And you could leave the R the same as it is.
or
somehow make it so Yuumi still takes damage when attached.
She could just take damage from AOE abilities, but that would still make her immune to many bot comps, or she could be immune to AOE abilities but you can actually target her so auto attacks and targeted abilities could hurt her. However if you do make it so she can take damage like that you would have to make it so she could at least attempt to escape when the champ she is attached to decides to make a dumb move and go all in. So rather then having her hop off just place her next to the champ she was attached to you blink a short distance like Ezreal, but you cant re attach for a short time if you did not leap to another champion doing this.
The problem with Yuumi as she is is no one really knows what to do with her on both sides. Even the Yuumi.
If you are the Yuumi and you attach to someone you better hope they are at least able to not just rush in and get themselves killed over and over because you will just be feeding two kills to the bot lane. You rarely get to actually use your Q unless it is a full on team fight because the ADC in early game runs away pulling the circle away from the target. So you are just a hopeless buff stick focused on healing and spamming R when it is off CD.
If you are on the other team and the Yuumi attaches to an ADC that knows what they are doing and how to let Yuumi poke then you will lose bot lane unless you are super aggressive as a team and gank bot focusing on the ADC and never let them breath, but then the other lanes wont get jungle support and you may miss out on objectives.
And of course if Yuumi attached to a champion that has been fed and snowballed they really do just have a super mythic attached to them that deals out random damage, heals, and stuns, and only an organized full team gank on the champion when caught out alone will work. (but in solo que that is a very rare and almost unheard-of thing)
I main support and I like Yuumi, but it can be frustrating both to play as her and to play against her. The champion relies too much early game on a lane partner that is not dumb and without voice chat you cant do much other then heal and buff and sometimes hopping off to add in some auto attacks and a Q or two to try to finish off the kill quicker. And if everything has not fallen apart and you make it far enough into the game then you just become a buff stick for whoever has the most kills and best items on your team. Early game in solo que can be made a little better if you go mid so you dont have to rely on your ADC, but you rob your team of a better pick for mid lane and you wont be using W at all until mid to late game. However, it can work if your support goes a strong champ that could have been the mid lane like a Morgana, Senna, MF, Brand and so on rather then another buff/healer champion.
And of course if you pick Yuumi in solo que you must be prepared to be yelled at if someone on your team does not just doge. Needless to say I have only ever played Yuumi a couple of times.
7:33 this part was amazing
2:25 I said useless and got chat banned. Since Summer I've been chat banned and honor resetted at least 5 times. I actually had to make a ticket to ask Riot why I was chat banned the last time (got answer from dumb robot). When the real person answered, I was shown 5 lines of texts where I called my ADC 0 3 (instead of Tristana). The only other words were "useless" and "f0g0t". They seem to just accept that you get chat banned for nothing anymore. I've been up to honor level 4-5 all the time through the years I've played, but now they chat ban you for the smallest thing. I'm actually glad I am chat banned, because sometimes there is really nothing to say to these people. My friend who is a kickass adc / jungler is probably going through PTSD nowadays, because of how much shit he has to tolerate from the teammates that comes along. At least I've gotten MANY MORE messages lately over how my report got someone banned. I mean, the last decade it was like maybe 1-2 a week. Now I get MULTIPLE replies from Riot, every day, saying my report went through. Isn't that crazy?
All this shite makes way more sence when you just accept the fact that nobody at reto actually plays League.
Pretty sure people are actively running it down rn on yuumi to lower her winrate so they rebuff her
Damn i really watched that buff ad WP!
Watching this after having a yuumi bot in my game. Feels good. Never trust a Yuumi with flash heal in your champ select. Dodge that shit lol
If they are ever gonna rework yuumi maybe make her like IO from Dota, since a lot of champs in league are quite similar to some dota heroes
seen the title, seen the picture,haven't seen a single second of the video yet but I fully agree: remove Yuumi. Kick her out. Let Warwick pull an Urf on her. Let her die like Gangplank but do not bring her back to life.
that's a weird looking yone in the thumbnail, ravioli
It's rengar w being overpowered problem. I wonder why it wasn't nerfed in 12.10 healing reduction.
yuumi really was a mistake.
theres no way buff knows that i skipped past that ad
43%? Inform us when she hits under 10%
Yuumi will always be op as long as she gives champs cc that don't normally have it
Its almost like Yuumi is actually good with specific champs lol
people just upset that their mid feeds and yuumi goes on them. or they feed and yuumi goes on their other laner. people are also just incapable of changing how they play when yuumi is in the game when realistically shes not a good fucking champ at all. like the entirety of her kit is based around your team doing well, if your team does shit then yuumi is the most useless fucking champion in the game with 0 play making ability. but the workaround is just as you stated picking specific scaling or early game champs.
@@HeyImSophie Pretty much described 90% of support enchanters there.... Yuumi has about as much utility as any other enchanter... E for heals(with added buff), W is a flat buff, Q is an attack with soft CC and ult is hard CC... Just like any other enchanter you're only useful in team fights and useless solo which is one of the reasons enchanters are bot lane..
Another issue, very few people actually know how to play Yuumi and just sit afk when they don't realize you're supposed to be auto attacking... Though the same issue can be said about any champ similar to Ezreal or a Lux... People simply don't play them correctly...
Yuumi when played correctly is actually super dangerous, auto attacks grant your team shields and you gain mana back, your Q's are strong poke with soft CC and you can heal with extra attack/move speed on your E... And then when your jungle ganks just root the entire lane with a proper ult..
Yep, almost every example in this video given as evidence for yuumi being dumb was literally like 2v1s and 3v1s, which let rengar snowball and start carrying the game. Almost any champion in the game added with rengar would be able to win a 2v1 against an underfed mid laner. I like rav but this video is just a bad example
@@scashion8013 I mean RAV is more of a comedian than anything else... His content isn't supposed to be accurate in the slightest so...
Imagine being such a coward you have to have a robot talk for you...
It works for me
You know the real reason why Yuumi has an atrocious win-rate is due to the bots picking her all the time
I sat through the ad because the broken tts speaking about league was relatable and precise.
Simple answer to the very last question, because riot would rather piss off the majority who have the brain cells capable of understanding why that champion is a waste of a slot in the roster, than piss off the fan girls and furry things by removing a champion that even pro players don't want to touch shy of a guaranteed or close to, win in early season...
I actually like the concept of Yuumi... I like her design, I like the idea of being a support on a shoulder like a guardian angel but it sucks the option of even trying to play her is completely gone. I know the rework will come eventually but how long do we have to wait? I can't play a cute champion because it will be considered trolling and be reported or every game is dodged even on normal games.
I feel like a better way to neuter her would have been limiting her time on her w and increasing her base stats, keep her w form down to a 10-15 limit on a person with a 30 sec CD... Force her to be out and trade
What if we all just stopped buying skins until Yuumi is removed. Curious how long it would take.
Yuumi's rework should be kinda like a removal by me saying that I mean yuumi will become like pix being Norra and yuumi
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her along with zoe should NEVER have been added to the game. Why the fuck would you add zoe when she's what nidalee is and they already had to nerf her into hell due to how unfun she was to play against?
i used buff alot but then all my data just disappeard tell me why
They have several options to make Yuumi a real champion that's also tolerable to play against and they just refuse to do it. They also refuse to remove her. They're just incompetent at their jobs. There's no other explanation. They have no clue what they're doing.
Just make yuumi take %damage while she's attached to someone, remove her Stat stick bonuses for being attached to someone, and make her kit useful outside of being attached or give bonuses while she's detached. A random idiot on the internet can fix this shit, why can't a riot employee who's paid to balance the game do it?
So you want her removed from the game
The %damage idea is so dumb idk why everyone requests it
Make her skills cost HP instead of Mana when she's attached and she's balanced
Makes Yuumi W costs mana to activate and drains her mana per second afterward like Anivia's R, problem solved.
From Day One I thought she was just badly designed. It's kind of a cool idea, but at any point in the design process they must have realised this was a poor decision.
Yuumi needs a time limit for how long she can be attached, then it goes on cooldown once she disconnects, so you cant just hop from player to player. Needs to take AoE damage from all sources. Q needs to be reworked into a true skill shot not this homing missile. These are just things I would slap Yuumi with initially and go from there to balance, but these generally address all frustrating aspects of Yuumi.