Traditional Catholicism does not exist as a movement. Catholicism is inherently traditional and it always has been. Anyone who believes they're Catholic but is not traditional is not actually Catholic at all.
@@stevedoetsch the Traditional Catholic faith is the only true faith - Vatican II is heretical and those who follow Vatican II are committing heresy and are in schism from the one true Catholic Faith
Yes, and that includes those attending NO liturgy masses. Where, BTW, the numbers including converts are rapidly growing in the four nearest churches to me , thank God 😊.
@@johnmcgrath6192 +JMJ Antiquarianism is not Traditional and thus clearly not Catholic. Also, the Mass during Apostolic times was NOT "vernacular". It was sacred Hebrew. The key is "sacred".
Glory be to the Middle Ages: return to Latin mass. Sorry, I live in the modern age and feel that God wants us to modernize. The Catholic Church wants us to live in the Middle Ages where sin is everything and avoidance of sin is what we were created to do!
This is not about nostalgia. They should bear in mind that we are not little kids. We are able to understand the deep theological abbiss between the Mass and the Novus Ordo rite.
It can’t be nostalgia for all the young people gravitating towards traditionalism, because what they remember is the liturgy, music, architecture etc being stuck in the 1970’s 😬
I was born in 1970 into Vatican II - I left my faith for many years and when I returned to Vatican II 19 years ago after encouragement from my Muslim friends, I was horrified by what I saw, but then I recalled my Grandparents early lives, many of whom had relatives and friends who were Priests and Nuns pre-Vatican II in enclosed Convents - I’d attended a traditional Latin Mass and had family friends who were Nuns as a child and I recall how beautiful the Divine Office was and I eventually discovered the churches that were celebrating the Traditional Mass in Latin along with the traditional pre-Vatican II teachings and I’ve attended ever since - during Covid, I taught myself to recite the Rosary in Latin and I’ve never looked back
This seems a bit far fetched. Horrified by what? I know people on RUclips try and promote this song and dance number that all ordinary form Masses are clown masses, but most Catholics know such claims to be outlandishly silly. The average ordinary form Mass is reasonably faithful to the rubrics, but tends to suffer from bad music at times.
@@admiralbob7797 we need to stop disagreeing for its own sake and start to wake up to the truth of the reality of what is really going on - Vatican II always was, is and always will be heretical, as the ultimate conclusion of the infiltration and corruption from within of the institutional structures of the Catholic Church since the Reformation and Martin Luther, which accelerated through the 1500’s and continued to accelerate through the beginning of the 19th century - Satan is the master of deception and the father of all lies, we need to be much more awake to the truth if we are to have any chance of defeating Satan and this latest deception is one more example of how and why we Catholics must be on our guard at all times to the clear and present danger posed by Satanic forces who seek to constantly attack and ravage the Church like a pack of wolves
Traditional Catholicism has definitive answers which happen to be true, and it has a beautiful aesthetic. Also, Western Civilization grew out of Catholic Europe. In an increasingly uglified world where nonsense is promoted as legitimate, that's an extraordinary draw.
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
@@mpkropf5062They have not fully reconciled with Rome yes, but they accept all that a Catholic has to believe! The Sunday Requirement is a disciplinary rule which is meant to honor God. The SSPX is not in schism one can go there to honor God as the Pope also accepted the Catholicity of the SSPX and gave them canonical approval for marriage and confession. No one is more loyal to the church than those wanting to preserve the doctrine of the petrine office
@@karlheven8328they do not accept all that a Catholic has to believe. Accepting Church councils is mandatory & they reject Vatican 2. Stop teaching falsity
Yes, absolutely! I went to a traditional Latin Mass in Limerick, Ireland and it was a fantastic experience. Celebrated by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign priests. ✝️ Highly recommended.
The issue began with VATICAN 2 . Prior to 1960 the CHURCH was TRADITIONAL with POPE PIUS X11 who died in 1958 and it was during the Pontificate JOHN XX111 who read the third secret of FATIMA in 1960 but had it filed away or concealed from the world so that instead he could open a ECUMENICAL COUNCIL he passed away shortly afterwards 62-65 approximately then a new POPE , PAUL VI was elected and continued with the implementation of VATICAN 2 until in 1969 He released the New MASS ( NOVUS ORDO ) that many TRADITIONALIST are against as it was made up by PROTESTANT ministers and ANNIBALI BUGNINI a FREE MASON .
Exactly. The Freemasons take over began well before Vatican 2. If memory serves me, the "seeds" were spread in the 19th Century,during Pope Pius IX If not before.
@@brianbacon5149 +JMJJJSJ You can read the accounts of the Last Supper in the gospels, and you will see there are dozens of verses stating it is a Passover Meal, which included the breaking of bread as part of the custom. Like Christ, the apostles never said mass as it is a Catholic tradition, not Christian. Another reason we know this is in the book of Acts chapter 15 the apostles forbid the drinking of blood because it was a pagan ritual, which is part of the Catholic mass.
As a Traditionalist, my oposition to Vatican ll is that it is obvious it opened the doors to the creation of a new Catholic Church. A new religion that condemns the Church as it was before this hijacked Council. it is obvious that error in Christ's Church is rampant. The condemned heresy of Mdernism has imbedded itself deeply into Christ's Church.
@@lifematterspodcast It was not Catholic for the modernist Council Fathers to vote out the real Council of Pope John XXlll. The Council is called the hijacked Council. The Vatican ll of Pope John XXlll was done in line with Nicea, Trent, and Vatican l. It consisted of 72 schemata that if the Modernists would have signed like they were supposed to would have been the 72 Documents of Vatican ll. Archbishop Vigano condemns the Hijacked Council, he asked about the trashing of the real Council, "By what Right? By what authority did the do this?
You guys have no idea how staggering a good traditional NO service can be to a protestant convert. I find TLM to be even more beautiful but the rad trads make me want to steer clear of the latin mass. I’m scared i’ll start becoming arrogant and put down other rites and forms of the mass. I have breakfast with 3 of them every month and every month they let me know how close they are to breaking away because of fake news. I feel like its my job to keep them in the church by dispelling bad information from rad trad channels. It’s exhausting but worth it…. If you abandon the pope, youre just as bad as any heretic in history
@@sammygomes7381Except, I say that they did, because the history is that the Catholic Church was the first church and the Catholic Church says that the last supper was the first mass, and that the apostles were the first Bishops, who obviously said mass. So why do you say that they did not say mass?
@@society1421 However what you say does not align with the word of God. Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles. The Catholic church is also wrong about the Last supper being the first mass. You can read any of the gospels and there are at least 16 verses telling you the Last Supper was a Passover meal which included the Jewish custom of braking bread. The reason I said the apostles didn't say mass is because they didn't say mass, it is not a Christian teaching. We also know that neither Christ nor the apostles never turned bread into anything, and God forbid the drinking of blood as did the apostles in Acts 15 because it is a pagan ritual. Another thing you will notice is that Christ's church does not have a pope or priests in a leadership role according to the bible.
Imagine John Paul II “excommunicating” Lefebvre when he never “excommunicated” not one pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-contraception, pro-euthanasia, or pro-divorce “catholic” in his entire 27-year “pontificate”…
Yes, I don't have to imagine for I can well understand why. Serious as all those issues are and long as he put off action against a grave sin against the Spirit & an entrenched attack on the true Church itself (while hiding behind false piety; maybe deluding himself.but more likely not) it was left too long & has instigated other false & divisive movements and both led many of the laity astray & weakened the Church against internal and external attacks. LeFebvre has dealt huge, damaging blows to the Church and is quite possibly one cause for it being under so much blatant attack from all sides. Thousands, tens of thousands of souls have been lost because of him. The carrion circle when the prey is wounded.
@@josephodoherty7864What was it that Abp Lefebvre did that lead many souls astray from the Catholic Church? By defending The Faith handed down by The Apostles commanded by Jesus Christ Himself and by saving the office of the priesthood? He was approached by Senior Seminarians from one of France's "tradional" seminary that was being turned into a "protestant" seminary. He was closed to retirement then. Have you heard or read a book about Our Lady of Success from Quito Ecuador and the Sister by the name of Sr. Mariana de Jesus? If you haven't I suggest you read it yourself so YOU understand the situation in The Church. Our Lady gave 5 prophesies to that nun and all have come true especially the one where Our Lady told the nun about "certain Prelate who will save the Faith in the latter part of the 20th century and one who is close to Jesus' and Her heart. Abp Lefebvre founded the SSPX Seminary - Traditional Catholic Seminary in 1970. There is no such thing as coincidences in life. He fought for The Catholic Faith/Catholic Church where many Saints where produced. Do some research.
BISHOP JOHN CARROLL (1735-1815) The first American bishop promoted the reading of the Bible among Catholics, and the use of the vernacular language in the Mass. Bishop Carroll was dedicated to the wider readership of Scripture among the Catholics of the United States. Until 1897, vernacular translations of the Mass, including the readings from scripture, were on the Index of Forbidden Books. Nevertheless, John Carroll insisted that the readings of the liturgy be read in the vernacular instead of Latin. John Carroll promoted the use of the people’s language (the vernacular instead of Latin) throughout the Mass. In 1787 he wrote: “Can there be anything more preposterous than an unknown tongue; and in this country for want of books or inability to read, the great part of our congregations must be utterly ignorant of the meaning and sense of the liturgy. To continue the practice of the Latin liturgy in the present state of things must be owing either to imagined fears of innovation, or to laziness and inattention on the part of the first pastors of the national churches in not joining to solicit or indeed ordain this necessary alteration.”
Yet neither Christ nor the apostles said mass nor does Christ's church have priests in a leadership role as all believers are members of the priesthood.
@@sammygomes7381 Do you remember the Last Supper? Christ Himself commanded His Disciples to do in memory of Him which is part of the Holy Mass - the highest and the most important part of the Catholic Mass. Christ commanding Peter to feed His Lambs; to feed His sheep; and to feed His sheep. Christ then told Peter, "Thou art Peter and upon this rock (Peter) I will build my church". He also told Peter that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Peter was commissioned/given authority by Christ to be the Head of His Church. His command to His Disciples were to preach His gospel and Baptist all nations in The Name of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost. He gave His authority to His Disciples to spread His teachings therefore feed His sheep. The authority given by Christ to Peter and to His Disciples has to be handed down throughout history until the end of time in order for Christ's commands be carried out to the letter thus the institution of the priesthood. Catholic Church has followed that Tradition handed down By Jesus Christ's to His Apostles for over 2 Thousand years - that's saying something.
Many of the radical changes people associate with Vatican II were actually made during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. Father Leonard Feeney called upon Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) to issue an ex cathedra (infallible) statement reaffirming the non-negotiable nature of the “outside the Church” doctrine. Pius refused. In 1953, Pius XII excommunicated Feeney for heresy. Pius stated: “Some reduce to a meaningless formula (“outside the Church there is no salvation”) the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.” Pope Piux XII (Humani generis, 1950) said that scientific theories of evolution do not contradict Catholic teaching providing they allow for the spiritual dimension of the human person. The Council of Constance in 1414-1418 ruled that Catholics had to abstain from all food and liquids, including water, form the previous midnight, until after Mass. To not do so was a mortal sin. This rule remained in place until 1957 when Pius XII reduced the fast to 3 hours before Mass. In 1903, Pope Pius X restated the Church’s ban on women participating in church choirs. In his “Instruction On Sacred Music,” he ruled that women were not to be allowed any liturgical function. However, Pope Pius XII, in his 1958 “Instruction on Sacred Music,” reversed this.
After Vatican 2 I stopped going to mass. All aspects of the church as I knew it, we’re gone. It went deeper than just the mass no longer being said in Latin. It was unrecognizable to me, no longer seeming like Catholicism.
A newcomer to heaven is taken on a tour by an angel. As they’re walking along, the newcomer sees people gambling in a gigantic casino, and he asks, “Who are THOSE people?” And the angel explains: “Those are the Baptists! In heaven, people get to enjoy pleasures that they were not allowed to enjoy on earth!” Next the newcomer passes a huge bar, and he’s told that the people in the bar are the Assembly of God folks! Then, he sees a great crowd of people happily roasting pigs! “Those are our Jewish brothers & sisters!”, he’s told. Finally, he passes a huge crowd of people just sitting in rocking chairs, peacefully rocking back and forth. “Who are those people?,” he asks. And the angel says, “Oh, those are the Catholics. They have nothing left to do up there but just sit and rock!”
When you realize the countries where Catholicism is the primary religion: Mexico, Italy, etc., they really doesn't have a large number of its followers go to weekly Mass. Mexicans don't go to weekly Mass and only send their children to church for baptism, communion, confirmation. Even Italians are Catholic-lite! Modern people see ceremony as a Middle Ages thing and are not completely committed to it! Young people refuse to go to church after they leave the family nest. I give Catholicism ten years!!!
FSSP is in full communion with Rome. They are good priests and do a great job with the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). It's too far away from me to be my official parish but I try to go when I can. Praise be Jesus and Mary ❤
@sammygomes7381 +JMJ That's what heretics, schismatics and blasphemers spout. Luther didn't found the Church; Jesus Christ did and He built that Church on Petrus.
@@brianbacon5149 +JMJJJSJ Please feel free to find one false statement according to the word of God. Christ's church did not have priests in a leadership role nor did Christ or the apostles say mass. I have no idea what Luther has to do with the conversation, but I do know Christ didn't build His church on Peter, the Catholic church build it on Peter.
You make a mistake in this video. The New Mass of Paul VI was introduced in 1970, NOT 1962. I know well, as i was alive, living in Roma, and already in minor seminary.
@@-catholic The Missale Romanum of 1962 was exactly identical to all missals previously published, except that a few rubrics were changed and a few more saints' offices were added. It was not a new Rite. Missals used to be similarly updated with additions of new Saints and tiny rubrical changes under nearly every Supreme Pontiff since PiusV.
The first novus ordo Mass in our parish was on the Feast of Christmas the King, last Sunday of October 1969. It caused a lot of bewilderment and not a few years of disbelief at what we had just witnessed.
In our parish the new Mass was introduced on Palm Sunday, 1970. Yes, indeed, peopke were bewildered. After that Mass i thiught to myself thst this will be the ruin of many souls. Luckily i soon entered a seminary that kept the old rite, and have avouded the new rite ever since. Nearly everyone with whom i grew up, who embraced the new Mass, ended up forsaking the Catholic faith.
My father worked with Pope Pacelli (Pio XII) and was really worried about Vatican II since he thought it could open to comunism and relativism. He had a granite Faith which I had not at the time. He fired from "Azione Cattolica" those who he thought were too "left oriented" and paid the price for it in the following years. Now that I'm old and thanks to God my Faith is stronger I think that Pope Giovanni XXIII was trying to unite and to help. Unfortunately this good purpose has been often manipulated more from inside, than from the usual enemies but it's a complex topic. Nowadays we're fighting against evil everyday, with human will idolized instead of God and all that follows. Praying and staying in communion with Jesus it's a good weapon and I like latin mass so much but I would be careful to judge. God bless you all
Norvos order is the new mass. This was established by Pope Paul VI and Vatican 2 which is the modern office of the church. Most people don't want the new mass because it's too modern and not holy like the old mass
I am not Catholic but I am intrigued by that church. I listened to Cardinal Arinze explain the new missal. What he said indicated at least in some respects, a reversion to pre-Varican II theology. It reminded me of the US Supreme Court recent ruling to overturn Roe v Wade ajd the comments by Justice Thomas that suggested other areas of reform the court will need to address that will reverse previously adopted rights and freedoms. I asked myself what is going on in the world? There seems to be a paradigm shift to the right in the whole world. Watch this space.
The answer is simple with the Internet people are researching the history and the church fathers writings and the natural conclusion you will come to logically is that the Catholic church and orthodox are how the church was originally designed by the apostles and Jesus and his Holy Spirit and you don’t reform or remake a church if it’s already doing the right thing, you just get rid of the abuses and heresies that Paul dealt with and the apostles had to fight against of course the real driver of this is the Holy Spirit and narcissism will never give you peace
I agree you don't remake the Church, Vatican II's whole goal was to remake the Church for the modern world, so you agree with Traditional Catholics lol
@@-catholic I agree with the orthodox more than the Roman catholic .but I’m thinking more of the reformation being completely out of whack rebelling as the Roman church did when it defied the councils that were previously all of the bishops agreeing, that the Spirit of God lead them that Rome had to be and have a pope and their rebellion is what caused the entire schism and continued to schism as they created Protestantism. There are some Roman Catholics that I believe are continuing to follow the original tradition, but too many have become gnostics agreeing with the teachings of Aquinas. And Augustine.
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
@@sammygomes7381 you may be correct on a few of those statements, but the bottom line is whether you like it or not historically the Catholic Church the word means one church. The original church was started by Jesus through his apostles and many of the traditions created at that time for the first 2 to 300 years is the correct way to worship . Historically it’s proven you can look it up the reformation or reforming of the traditions and teachings was a rebellious move caused by a rebellious schism in the original church. These type things have gone on since the beginning of the church Paul dealt with it, so did Peter. it is created by pride and a gnostic belief thinking you can no intellectually everything about God truth scripture and not have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit but this is incorrect, and whether you figure it out now, or on the judgment day, you will find I’m telling you the truth you need to pray while you study scripture and history to know the truth
Social issues bring them into the church, nothing to do with the gospel that apostle Paul preached. Consider his warning in epistle of Galatians chapter 1 v 8.
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: : “Eternal damnation remains a possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it. The thought of hell and even less the improper use of biblical images must not create anxiety or despair... The concept of hellfire, the fiery furnace and the unquenchable fire of Gehenna need to be interpreted as symbolic language... The risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry, ‘Abba, Father!’” (Rm 8:15; Gal 5:6).
+JMJ And that same Lord said : "Enter ye at the narrow gate for wide is the gate, and broad the way that leadeth to destruction, and many are who go thereat. How narrow is the gate, and straight is the way that leadeth to life and few there that find it!" Mt.7:13-14. The Lord then says: "Not everyone that saith to me 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven. "Mt. 7:21)
+JMJ And that same Lord said : "Enter ye at the narrow gate for wide is the gate, and broad the way that leadeth to destruction, and many are who go thereat. How narrow is the gate, and straight is the way that leadeth to life and few there that find it!" Mt.7:13-14. The Lord then says: "Not everyone that saith to me 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven. "Mt. 7:21)
@@brianbacon5149 POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholics believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.” “It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.” Catholic News Service, May 2011
@JoyToTheWorld-v2f +JMJ. In applying Benedict's own words, I didn't give you an individual quote. I gave you 2 separate teachings of Our Lord that corroborate each other. Second, in applying the statement you cite, why would you take that statement literally or treat it as if it somehow undermine's the Lord's own plain and simple teaching? That's jesuitical casuistry which is morally relativistic and unCatholic. Credo quid quid dixit Dei Filius.
@@brianbacon5149 ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “By forgiving his executioners, Jesus showed he is not the accuser of the guilty but rather their advocate and intercessor. Jesus’ words of forgiveness - “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” - were spoken in circumstances of the greatest hatred and cruelty. Jesus forgives His adversaries immediately, even as their hostility continues. Jesus is the defender, not the accuser of the guilty, because He knows that many can be less guilty than it appears, or one thinks. For this reason, he taught his followers not to judge others. The mercy Jesus asked for His executioners is extended to all humanity.”
The entire SSPX was NEVER excommunicated. Now that’s a big thing that needs to be corrected in this video. Only those 4 individuals were. That’s not how excommunication works. It’s for individuals not entire for the entire SSPX. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with attending SSPX for communion, marriage, or confession per the magisterium, pope Francis, and those he assigned to investigate SSPX. Anyone who says otherwise is blatantly lying or severely misinformed. It does not matter what any other bishop or cardinal says. Period.
Baptism of Blood and Desire is taught by the Ordinary and solemn magisterium of the Church; so is the doctrine of the B.V.M. As Co-Redemptrix. On the SSPX: The group was never excommunicated, only Msgr. Lefebvre and the four bishops that he consecrated; this excommunication was latter lifted on the four bishops by Benedict XVI, after Msgr. Lefebvre's death. Over all a very short but good summary of the different groups.
@@MichaelWilson-ky3pp full communion would be to be under the governance of the Vicar of Christ, the Pope. Partial communion is that there is a recognition of many shared aspects of the Faith, but lack the ties via the pastoral governance of the Church. The SSPX is a fraternal organization that is not under the jurisdiction of a valid religious order or diocesan bishop. This would imply that they could be said to be in schism. For example the SSPX has a valid Eucharist, but their community is not under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Church, but Rome has allowed for the validity of confession and marriage. Essentially the Church supplies that validity of the Sacrament of penance. We are watching this all play out in real time so it is not officially clear what exactly the status is since there seems to be talk between Rome & sspx. Overall, we sure pray and hope the sspx submits to the Church, but just because they call themselves “the Church” does not mean that they are. They have fringe beliefs
@@lifematterspodcast Thank you for your response; then as far as I know there has not been any official excommunication of the SSPX as a group (which I stated in my first post). Also, Pope Francis recently stated in his General audience (Feb. 2, 2022) that no one can exclude himself from the Church, no matter what one does. Therefore if the SSPX has not been excommunicated and cannot exclude themselves from the Church, then they must be in some sort of communion with the Church and therefore "within" the Church. Is this correct?
0:40... Cowardice is the saddest thing in the world... with the rest of sin too... The cowardice of the priest called to stand up for Jesus and love Him above all things... to put Him into the mouth of such a person... one needs to cry.
@sammygomes7381 Whatever your faith, it is clear the apostles and their deciples all made the distinction that the bread and blood which jesus said was actually his is just that. Go do some research.
@@society1421 +JMJ Then why is the Holy Sacrifice invisible in the NO? Why do only 17% of Catholics attend the NO on Sunday (Protestants don't attend on Sunday either). Why of those 17%, only 30% believe in the Real Presence? Seems to me the NO is clearly Protestant. It tried to annihilate the Catholic culture faithful to the Lord of Sacrifice, Reparation and the Cross.
0/54 SAINT Cardinal Ottaviani beside modernist liberal Non Saint Warned against by Saint Pius X sitting on Throne of Prince of Apostles Today is 20 August 2024 Anniversary of 1914 Glorious Passing away of Saint Pius X Last True Pope 109 years ago
The Protestant church lifts up a watered down form of Christianity where anything goes and everyone is a caught up in emotionalism, rock concerts and social hour. Church is solemn and reverent. I go to church mass to meet Jesus in the Eucharist not for a feel good message. Consuming the blood and body is joyful enough for me to celebrate.
I am not sure what protestants do but Christians follow Christ and Catholics follow the teaching of the Catholic church, so let's not be throwing stones. If your going to mass to meet Jesus you're going to have a long wait. Neither Jesus nor the apostles took part in the mass or pagan rituals. If one is born-again Christ is in them, don't have to go anywhere to meet Him. God and the apostles told us not to drink blood and you think Christ would disobey the Father?
@@julieelizabeth4856 "Born again means baptism" If your Catholic you would mean water baptism. Actually, it doesn't. How does the new birth come to be? Ephesians 2:8-9 states, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” When one is saved, he has been born again, spiritually renewed, and is now a child of God by right of that new birth. Faith in Jesus Christ, the One who paid the penalty of sin when He died on the cross, is the means by which one is born again. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation: the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). Where does Christ mention baptism when speaking to Nicodemus in John 3? I think you will find we have attached the word "baptism" to many different things. Water baptism doesn't save anyone. We are saved when we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and now we refer to that as baptism of the Holy Spirit. After one receives the Holy Spirit, they should follow Christ's example and be water baptized but it's not the water that does anything. Being cleansed in water is an old Jewish ritual. Hopefully you can see why water baptism of an infant is nothing more than a ritual as an infant and young child cannot meet the requirements of being born-again through no fault of their own and this does not bind them to hell if they pass early. As for the pagan part, Acts 15, the apostles, like God told us not to drink blood, and the apostles reasoning was it was a pagan thing. The following statement contains not one truth of anyone in the bible so who is this goddess and idol. Catechism of the Catholic church 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
Most Catholics really aren't religious! Yes, every Sunday they settle in a pew and watch ceremony! However, after Mass they leave their faith at the door of the church and are convinced they are going to heaven! How many Catholics you know who work in soup kitchens or food pantries??? Jesus is all about love, charity, and acceptance. Does this describe the Catholics you know???
It describes some Catholics and some protestants and also describes works. I’m hearing two things, making generalized assumptions about both protestants and Catholics and also I hear a Protestant giving merit to good works, the very thing to which you object in Catholics as important to salvation.
This proves to me that Protestants also value good works and charity and thus faith alone that you hold true is no different than what Catholics believe. As per St. Paul, “faith without works….”.
I attend a Catholic Church and have never sat in a pew and speculated on one’s merit or intentions or faith. Yet you whom have likely never been at a Catholic Church can say, “most Catholics….”. Guess what! You can’t point out the difference between a Catholic and a Protestant on the street nor can I and nor do I care to.
@@donnamatsyk1032 God is our Father. He loves us like a Father loves His children. We don't earn this love. When I say Jesus is all about love, charity, and acceptance, not ceremony, I imply that religion is about people not ceremony! Religion is also not about the bible, reading the bible, and forgetting that people are more important than scriptures. By the way, I am a Lutheran, not Baptist. Scriptures are not everything. Charity is everything!
He is not growing, he is the original one. Vatican II emptied the churches. Peter's seat is vacant. They've been Protestant since they decided to change the doctrine.
Papa, Vatican 2 did not empty Churches. Indifferent Christians did that! The Papacy was never vacant as you claim! I am so very grateful to the Holy Spirit for Vatican 2 and Pope Francis! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
Since Covid, many Protestant (Church of England) Parishes are turning back to pre-Vatican II, having recently had a very interesting discussion with my local Protestant Vicar in my local parish here in the U.K.
@@michaeljohndennis2231 those who claim Vatican 2 teaches heresy and error, then deny Vatican 1 that states the Church can never teach heresy and error! Obedience to Peter is Obedience to Jesus Christ! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
The abusive priest of novus ordo? Honestly we don't what the Trad priest were capable of? News and secrecy were easier to cover up things in the 1950's and before - That said, the church has no short list of atrocities over millennia.
@@sitka49 The video is on Traditional Catholicism nobody became a Traditional Catholic because the Novus Ordo Priests did sexual abuses that isn't a theological matter, the theological matter is the CLERICAL ABUSES which is things like Clown Masses
@@-catholic There were traditional Catholics priest before there were ( novus ordo priest) you can't honestly believe none of those priests that were traid-cad before Vatican 2 that there couldn't of been a few ped priests mixed in? Why I say this is because I had a friend I went to school that had told me that he was molested by a priest, ( he explained to me what happened to him but I really didn't understand what molestation was back then I never heard of it before - but what he told me pretty much was disgusting ) and then he tried telling his parents and they pretty much blow - it off - saying " Quit saying things like that no priest would do that." ( this is my contention that this is what you'd run up against if you tried to make that claim back then) And this priest was ordained back in the 50's , and guess what? 30 years later he was convicted of molesting of multiple children including my friend. ( 16 total that they know of)
Wow! You really have no clue what is going on in the world or in the Church. You do not know history, even the recent history of the Church, much less do you know anything of Christianity and Christian doctrine. Save your soul and dedicate time and effort coupled with prayers that you learn wisdom and truth. And urgently seek a proper baptism before it is too late for you.
@@albertinirock4926+JMJ You mean like sacred language, ad orientam and Mass as Holy Sacrifice of Calvary? Yes. I agree. Let's dump the New Order and its (wo)man centeredness.
I guess a regression of thought can be linked to fear of change and not being able to see one's place in it or relevance to them , those that fear change
Very simple reason, Catholics want go back in time, because educated want Latin and converts like T. Marshall. Jesus said about those who look back. Jesus mission is complete
Less than half a percent of Sunday parishioners in North America are attending a TLM on any given Sunday. Some of these grandiose claims about self-proclaimed "growth" should be re-examined in that light. Of far more relevance (and importance) is restoring some of the historical elements of the Mass without throwing out everything (i.e. some use of the vernacular, which most people appreciate, and the expanded lectionary.)
+JMJ You base your number off all Catholics which is seriously misleading. Only 17% of Catholics in the US attend Sunday Mass. By contrast 99% of TLM Faithful attend Sunday Mass. In Italy less than 10% of Catholics attend on Sunday. NO churches continue to close, vocations are in the tank and marriages and baptisms are endangered species. And only 30% of the 17% believe in the Real Presence (the most central dogma of the Catholic faith). Also a reform of the NO won't work. The optionality of the rubric makes that idea unworkable. The NO retained only 13% of the Traditional orations. It will continue to transmit a Protestant sectarian rather than a holy catholic and apostolic Faith.
No surprise that the Catholic church is growing in these last days, so are all the other false cults. "...in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" 1 Timothy 4:1, King James Bible
Forget labels for a second and lets put accents elsewhere, be more charitable, shall we? Is a person who reject a notion of the salvation in New Testament period without Water Baptism, and profession of true Faith a non-Catholic? This is simple question. You claim that I belong to a sect, meaning: That I am cut off. You in turn engage in a behavior that you condemn. Will you remove that log out of your eye, before you start your own ophthalmologist practice? Is a Catholic required to believe that Christ redeemed his Church WITH Blessed Virgin Mary, or that He ALONE redeemed us? Please provide me with Magisterial Statement that confirms that. You know, the one that doesn't deny known dogmas, is actually signed by the valid Pope, and was published in AAS, at minimum. But even granting that, here is the question that follows: is Geocentrism de fide? If not: Your argument regarding Suprema Haec Sacra (private document) is invalid on so many levels, and you happen to have no other arguments... but dislike of the style.
I criticized multiple groups in this video chill out. Also the BoD thing is why most people reject you is all I said never made a personal criticism there, my personal criticism is the Co-Redemptrix which I've already discussed
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
I suggest you people look up on Wikipedia the word “Catholic”. You are “Roman Catholic” all the traditional churches like the Protestant are using the word in their service “catholic”. The word “catholic” means universal. We are all part of the one universal (catholic) body of Christian believers. So it is unreasonable for Roman Catholics to claim that word for themselves alone.
+JMJ Yes. They scare Satan and demons away. It's why the Lord prefers and blesses the TLM while the NO continues to decline and produce rotten fruit. TLM ritual from the Ages is exactly why modernists like you are phobic about the TLM.
+ JMJ Yes. They scare Satan and demons away. It's why the Lord prefers and blesses the TLM while the NO continues to decline and produce rotten fruit. TLM ritual from the Ages is exactly why modernists like you are phobic about the TLM.
*Bro it’s more ancient*. It’s a New Mass made of old parts that does not make it Traditional. Traditional means it is handed on from time immemorial 1970 is not time immemorial.
That's like a trad commented - "our church is always full" - and at the end he says but I have to drive 2 hrs to get there every week. Well we have about 50 churches in area that are novus ordo of a community of 120k plus surrounding communities 10 miles out - I would like see how the trads would fill those churches every week with anymore people then novus ordo? Devils in the details!
@@sitka49 True, I am not against the old Mass, given the massive fall off of people hearing Mass I think it's good people attend any Mass be it the old one or new one.
Many of the radical changes people associate with Vatican II were actually made during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. Father Leonard Feeney called upon Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) to issue an ex cathedra (infallible) statement reaffirming the non-negotiable nature of the “outside the Church” doctrine. Pius refused. In 1953, Pius XII excommunicated Feeney for heresy. Pius stated: “Some reduce to a meaningless formula (“outside the Church there is no salvation”) the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.” Pope Piux XII (Humani generis, 1950) said that scientific theories of evolution do not contradict Catholic teaching providing they allow for the spiritual dimension of the human person. The Council of Constance in 1414-1418 ruled that Catholics had to abstain from all food and liquids, including water, form the previous midnight, until after Mass. To not do so was a mortal sin. This rule remained in place until 1957 when Pius XII reduced the fast to 3 hours before Mass. In 1903, Pope Pius X restated the Church’s ban on women participating in church choirs. In his “Instruction On Sacred Music,” he ruled that women were not to be allowed any liturgical function. However, Pope Pius XII, in his 1958 “Instruction on Sacred Music,” reversed this.
Traditional Catholicism does not exist as a movement. Catholicism is inherently traditional and it always has been. Anyone who believes they're Catholic but is not traditional is not actually Catholic at all.
@@stevedoetsch the Traditional Catholic faith is the only true faith - Vatican II is heretical and those who follow Vatican II are committing heresy and are in schism from the one true Catholic Faith
Yes, and that includes those attending NO liturgy masses. Where, BTW, the numbers including converts are rapidly growing in the four nearest churches to me , thank God 😊.
Precisely.. The Mass in the first centuries of Chrisdtianity was in the vernacular. If you are not using the vernacular you are not traditional..
@@johnmcgrath6192 +JMJ Antiquarianism is not Traditional and thus clearly not Catholic. Also, the Mass during Apostolic times was NOT "vernacular". It was sacred Hebrew. The key is "sacred".
and sacred is how TLM is. Rock, loud gospel hymns NO doesn't sound sacred sometimes.
Return to the Latin mass. Glory to Jesus the rock of the world.
Neither Christ nor the apostles ever said mass, let alone in Latin.
@@sammygomes7381 Please find a copy of the Latin mass and read the prayers in english .
@@Go_for_it652 Thank you for the advice but mass is a Catholic thing, not Christian.
@@sammygomes7381 You can this about the rosary or lent or 200 small but important ways of meeting .
Glory be to the Middle Ages: return to Latin mass.
Sorry, I live in the modern age and feel that God wants us to modernize.
The Catholic Church wants us to live in the Middle Ages where sin is everything and avoidance of sin is what we were created to do!
Its not nostalgia. People are deeply worried and disgusted with the direction modern society has gone.
That doesn't stop it from being a large part of it. In fact , just the opposite.
This is not about nostalgia. They should bear in mind that we are not little kids. We are able to understand the deep theological abbiss between the Mass and the Novus Ordo rite.
Yet they fail to follow the word of God.
It can’t be nostalgia for all the young people gravitating towards traditionalism, because what they remember is the liturgy, music, architecture etc being stuck in the 1970’s 😬
Exactly! Believers are looking for spiritual guidance not for ecumenism and social justice.
I was born in 1970 into Vatican II - I left my faith for many years and when I returned to Vatican II 19 years ago after encouragement from my Muslim friends, I was horrified by what I saw, but then I recalled my Grandparents early lives, many of whom had relatives and friends who were Priests and Nuns pre-Vatican II in enclosed Convents - I’d attended a traditional Latin Mass and had family friends who were Nuns as a child and I recall how beautiful the Divine Office was and I eventually discovered the churches that were celebrating the Traditional Mass in Latin along with the traditional pre-Vatican II teachings and I’ve attended ever since - during Covid, I taught myself to recite the Rosary in Latin and I’ve never looked back
This seems a bit far fetched. Horrified by what? I know people on RUclips try and promote this song and dance number that all ordinary form Masses are clown masses, but most Catholics know such claims to be outlandishly silly. The average ordinary form Mass is reasonably faithful to the rubrics, but tends to suffer from bad music at times.
@@admiralbob7797 we need to stop disagreeing for its own sake and start to wake up to the truth of the reality of what is really going on - Vatican II always was, is and always will be heretical, as the ultimate conclusion of the infiltration and corruption from within of the institutional structures of the Catholic Church since the Reformation and Martin Luther, which accelerated through the 1500’s and continued to accelerate through the beginning of the 19th century - Satan is the master of deception and the father of all lies, we need to be much more awake to the truth if we are to have any chance of defeating Satan and this latest deception is one more example of how and why we Catholics must be on our guard at all times to the clear and present danger posed by Satanic forces who seek to constantly attack and ravage the Church like a pack of wolves
@admiralbob7797 +JMJ Not to mention irreverence, banality and utter inanity. The NO is ego on parade. I'm done with it.
Did you ever wonder why Christ taught us to pray to the Father and not idols?
@@sammygomes7381 +JMJ Why did Christ tell us to honor His mother as our mother? He's God He knows what's best for us.
Easy: the original is always better than watered-down wannabes.
Because is true catholicism ❤....
Traditional Catholicism has definitive answers which happen to be true, and it has a beautiful aesthetic. Also, Western Civilization grew out of Catholic Europe. In an increasingly uglified world where nonsense is promoted as legitimate, that's an extraordinary draw.
Definitive answers like Mary were immaculate and a queen of heaven?
Live truth live Catholic amen to the true church that Jesus gave us
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
That would be the Christian Church. Christ never gave us a church with a pope or priests in a leadership role.
Great video! I’m a member of SSPX and love it. Stopped going to NO a few years ago.
Yes it is, and yes it does @@mpkropf5062
@@mpkropf5062False
@@mpkropf5062They have not fully reconciled with Rome yes, but they accept all that a Catholic has to believe! The Sunday Requirement is a disciplinary rule which is meant to honor God. The SSPX is not in schism one can go there to honor God as the Pope also accepted the Catholicity of the SSPX and gave them canonical approval for marriage and confession. No one is more loyal to the church than those wanting to preserve the doctrine of the petrine office
@@karlheven8328 Thank you for explaining so good love from Australia
@@karlheven8328they do not accept all that a Catholic has to believe. Accepting Church councils is mandatory & they reject Vatican 2. Stop teaching falsity
You forgot about the institute of Christ the King sovereign priests
Christ's church do not have priests in an office of leadership,
Yes, absolutely! I went to a traditional Latin Mass in Limerick, Ireland and it was a fantastic experience. Celebrated by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign priests. ✝️
Highly recommended.
@@jirislavicek9954 Seeing neither Christ or the apostles said mass and since all believers are members of the priesthood, we should follow Christ.
The issue began with VATICAN 2 . Prior to 1960 the CHURCH was TRADITIONAL with POPE PIUS X11 who died in 1958 and it was during the Pontificate JOHN XX111 who read the third secret of FATIMA in 1960 but had it filed away or concealed from the world so that instead he could open a ECUMENICAL COUNCIL he passed away shortly afterwards 62-65 approximately then a new POPE , PAUL VI was elected and continued with the implementation of VATICAN 2 until in 1969 He released the New MASS ( NOVUS ORDO ) that many TRADITIONALIST are against as it was made up by PROTESTANT ministers and ANNIBALI BUGNINI a FREE MASON .
Exactly. The Freemasons take over began well before Vatican 2.
If memory serves me, the "seeds" were spread in the 19th Century,during Pope Pius IX If not before.
Yet neither Christ nor the apostles said mass.
@@sammygomes7381 +JMJ Matthew 26:17-30 spells out the First Mass that Jesus Christ our Lord and King celebrated with the Apostles.
@@brianbacon5149 +JMJJJSJ You can read the accounts of the Last Supper in the gospels, and you will see there are dozens of verses stating it is a Passover Meal, which included the breaking of bread as part of the custom. Like Christ, the apostles never said mass as it is a Catholic tradition, not Christian. Another reason we know this is in the book of Acts chapter 15 the apostles forbid the drinking of blood because it was a pagan ritual, which is part of the Catholic mass.
@@rosschizzoniti906 A free mason got to dictate what mass is to be for the catholic church? Well this explains a lot.
As a Traditionalist, my oposition to Vatican ll is that it is obvious it opened the doors to the creation of a new Catholic Church. A new religion that condemns the Church as it was before this hijacked Council. it is obvious that error in Christ's Church is rampant. The condemned heresy of Mdernism has imbedded itself deeply into Christ's Church.
It is not Catholic to reject a Church Council.
@@lifematterspodcast It was not Catholic for the modernist Council Fathers to vote out the real Council of Pope John XXlll. The Council is called the hijacked Council. The Vatican ll of Pope John XXlll was done in line with Nicea, Trent, and Vatican l. It consisted of 72 schemata that if the Modernists would have signed like they were supposed to would have been the 72 Documents of Vatican ll. Archbishop Vigano condemns the Hijacked Council, he asked about the trashing of the real Council, "By what Right? By what authority did the do this?
You guys have no idea how staggering a good traditional NO service can be to a protestant convert. I find TLM to be even more beautiful but the rad trads make me want to steer clear of the latin mass. I’m scared i’ll start becoming arrogant and put down other rites and forms of the mass. I have breakfast with 3 of them every month and every month they let me know how close they are to breaking away because of fake news. I feel like its my job to keep them in the church by dispelling bad information from rad trad channels. It’s exhausting but worth it…. If you abandon the pope, youre just as bad as any heretic in history
Agreed
Yet neither Christ not the apostles ever said mass, nor did Christ's church have a pope so there is nothing to abandon.
@@sammygomes7381Except, I say that they did, because the history is that the Catholic Church was the first church and the Catholic Church says that the last supper was the first mass, and that the apostles were the first Bishops, who obviously said mass. So why do you say that they did not say mass?
@@society1421 However what you say does not align with the word of God. Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
The Catholic church is also wrong about the Last supper being the first mass. You can read any of the gospels and there are at least 16 verses telling you the Last Supper was a Passover meal which included the Jewish custom of braking bread. The reason I said the apostles didn't say mass is because they didn't say mass, it is not a Christian teaching. We also know that neither Christ nor the apostles never turned bread into anything, and God forbid the drinking of blood as did the apostles in Acts 15 because it is a pagan ritual.
Another thing you will notice is that Christ's church does not have a pope or priests in a leadership role according to the bible.
Imagine John Paul II “excommunicating” Lefebvre when he never “excommunicated” not one pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-contraception, pro-euthanasia, or pro-divorce “catholic” in his entire 27-year “pontificate”…
Yes, I don't have to imagine for I can well understand why. Serious as all those issues are and long as he put off action against a grave sin against the Spirit & an entrenched attack on the true Church itself (while hiding behind false piety; maybe deluding himself.but more likely not) it was left too long & has instigated other false & divisive movements and both led many of the laity astray & weakened the Church against internal and external attacks.
LeFebvre has dealt huge, damaging blows to the Church and is quite possibly one cause for it being under so much blatant attack from all sides. Thousands, tens of thousands of souls have been lost because of him. The carrion circle when the prey is wounded.
@@josephodoherty7864 Lefevre wasn’t the problem, John Paul II was the problem
@@josephodoherty7864What was it that Abp Lefebvre did that lead many souls astray from the Catholic Church? By defending The Faith handed down by The Apostles commanded by Jesus Christ Himself and by saving the office of the priesthood? He was approached by Senior Seminarians from one of France's "tradional" seminary that was being turned into a "protestant" seminary. He was closed to retirement then.
Have you heard or read a book about Our Lady of Success from Quito Ecuador and the Sister by the name of Sr. Mariana de Jesus? If you haven't I suggest you read it yourself so YOU understand the situation in The Church. Our Lady gave 5 prophesies to that nun and all have come true especially the one where Our Lady told the nun about "certain Prelate who will save the Faith in the latter part of the 20th century and one who is close to Jesus' and Her heart.
Abp Lefebvre founded the SSPX Seminary - Traditional Catholic Seminary in 1970. There is no such thing as coincidences in life. He fought for The Catholic Faith/Catholic Church where many Saints where produced. Do some research.
BISHOP JOHN CARROLL (1735-1815) The first American bishop promoted the reading of the Bible among Catholics, and the use of the vernacular language in the Mass. Bishop Carroll was dedicated to the wider readership of Scripture among the Catholics of the United States. Until 1897, vernacular translations of the Mass, including the readings from scripture, were on the Index of Forbidden Books. Nevertheless, John Carroll insisted that the readings of the liturgy be read in the vernacular instead of Latin.
John Carroll promoted the use of the people’s language (the vernacular instead of Latin) throughout the Mass.
In 1787 he wrote: “Can there be anything more preposterous than an unknown tongue; and in this country for want of books or inability to read, the great part of our congregations must be utterly ignorant of the meaning and sense of the liturgy. To continue the practice of the Latin liturgy in the present state of things must be owing either to imagined fears of innovation, or to laziness and inattention on the part of the first pastors of the national churches in not joining to solicit or indeed ordain this necessary alteration.”
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, no wonder ordinary people are falling away from the church!
Fight for our jesus church 😢😢😢😢❤❤❤❤
The mysticism, adoration & sacrifice are the most important aspects of the Eucharistic Celebration which are denied in people priest face.Mass.
Yet neither Christ nor the apostles said mass nor does Christ's church have priests in a leadership role as all believers are members of the priesthood.
@@sammygomes7381 Do you remember the Last Supper? Christ Himself commanded His Disciples to do in memory of Him which is part of the Holy Mass - the highest and the most important part of the Catholic Mass.
Christ commanding Peter to feed His Lambs; to feed His sheep; and to feed His sheep. Christ then told Peter, "Thou art Peter and upon this rock (Peter) I will build my church". He also told Peter that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Peter was commissioned/given authority by Christ to be the Head of His Church. His command to His Disciples were to preach His gospel and Baptist all nations in The Name of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost. He gave His authority to His Disciples to spread His teachings therefore feed His sheep. The authority given by Christ to Peter and to His Disciples has to be handed down throughout history until the end of time in order for Christ's commands be carried out to the letter thus the institution of the priesthood.
Catholic Church has followed that Tradition handed down By Jesus Christ's to His Apostles for over 2 Thousand years - that's saying something.
Many of the radical changes people associate with Vatican II were actually made during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.
Father Leonard Feeney called upon Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) to issue an ex cathedra (infallible) statement reaffirming the non-negotiable nature of the “outside the Church” doctrine. Pius refused. In 1953, Pius XII excommunicated Feeney for heresy.
Pius stated: “Some reduce to a meaningless formula (“outside the Church there is no salvation”) the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.”
Pope Piux XII (Humani generis, 1950) said that scientific theories of evolution do not contradict Catholic teaching providing they allow for the spiritual dimension of the human person.
The Council of Constance in 1414-1418 ruled that Catholics had to abstain from all food and liquids, including water, form the previous midnight, until after Mass. To not do so was a mortal sin. This rule remained in place until 1957 when Pius XII reduced the fast to 3 hours before Mass.
In 1903, Pope Pius X restated the Church’s ban on women participating in church choirs. In his “Instruction On Sacred Music,” he ruled that women were not to be allowed any liturgical
function. However, Pope Pius XII, in his 1958 “Instruction on Sacred Music,” reversed this.
To be one does not mean everyone is subservient to one pope over all. New testament does not give any apostle such a position.
After Vatican 2 I stopped going to mass. All aspects of the church as I knew it, we’re gone. It went deeper than just the mass no longer being said in Latin. It was unrecognizable to me, no longer seeming like Catholicism.
+JMJ Come back to the blessed Traditional Latin Mass. Dominus vobiscum.
Stopped going to Mass? So many mortal sins!
A newcomer to heaven is taken on a tour by an angel.
As they’re walking along, the newcomer sees people gambling in a gigantic casino, and he asks, “Who are THOSE people?”
And the angel explains: “Those are the Baptists! In heaven, people get to enjoy pleasures that they were not allowed to enjoy on earth!”
Next the newcomer passes a huge bar, and he’s told that the people in the bar are the Assembly of God folks!
Then, he sees a great crowd of people happily roasting pigs!
“Those are our Jewish brothers & sisters!”, he’s told.
Finally, he passes a huge crowd of people just sitting in rocking chairs, peacefully rocking back and forth.
“Who are those people?,” he asks.
And the angel says, “Oh, those are the Catholics. They have nothing left to do up there but just sit and rock!”
When you realize the countries where Catholicism is the primary religion: Mexico, Italy, etc.,
they really doesn't have a large number of its followers go to weekly Mass.
Mexicans don't go to weekly Mass and only send their children to church for baptism, communion, confirmation.
Even Italians are Catholic-lite!
Modern people see ceremony as a Middle Ages thing and are not completely committed to it!
Young people refuse to go to church after they leave the family nest.
I give Catholicism ten years!!!
Thankfully I have found where I can go to the Latin Mass every Sunday.
Ghent and Bruges
FSSP is in full communion with Rome. They are good priests and do a great job with the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). It's too far away from me to be my official parish but I try to go when I can. Praise be Jesus and Mary ❤
Did you that neither Christ nor the apostles said mass and Christ church does not have a position of priest in a teaching capacity.
@sammygomes7381 +JMJ That's what heretics, schismatics and blasphemers spout. Luther didn't found the Church; Jesus Christ did and He built that Church on Petrus.
@@brianbacon5149 +JMJJJSJ Please feel free to find one false statement according to the word of God. Christ's church did not have priests in a leadership role nor did Christ or the apostles say mass.
I have no idea what Luther has to do with the conversation, but I do know Christ didn't build His church on Peter, the Catholic church build it on Peter.
As a 25 year old convert, I'm more attracted to the traditional latin mass than the Novus Order.
Amen 🙏
You make a mistake in this video. The New Mass of Paul VI was introduced in 1970, NOT 1962. I know well, as i was alive, living in Roma, and already in minor seminary.
When I said 1962 I was speaking of the Latin Missale instituted by John XXIII
@@-catholic The Missale Romanum of 1962 was exactly identical to all missals previously published, except that a few rubrics were changed and a few more saints' offices were added. It was not a new Rite. Missals used to be similarly updated with additions of new Saints and tiny rubrical changes under nearly every Supreme Pontiff since PiusV.
The first novus ordo Mass in our parish was on the Feast of Christmas the King, last Sunday of October 1969. It caused a lot of bewilderment and not a few years of disbelief at what we had just witnessed.
In our parish the new Mass was introduced on Palm Sunday, 1970. Yes, indeed, peopke were bewildered. After that Mass i thiught to myself thst this will be the ruin of many souls. Luckily i soon entered a seminary that kept the old rite, and have avouded the new rite ever since. Nearly everyone with whom i grew up, who embraced the new Mass, ended up forsaking the Catholic faith.
My father worked with Pope Pacelli (Pio XII) and was really worried about Vatican II since he thought it could open to comunism and relativism. He had a granite Faith which I had not at the time. He fired from "Azione Cattolica" those who he thought were too "left oriented" and paid the price for it in the following years. Now that I'm old and thanks to God my Faith is stronger I think that Pope Giovanni XXIII was trying to unite and to help. Unfortunately this good purpose has been often manipulated more from inside, than from the usual enemies but it's a complex topic. Nowadays we're fighting against evil everyday, with human will idolized instead of God and all that follows. Praying and staying in communion with Jesus it's a good weapon and I like latin mass so much but I would be careful to judge. God bless you all
Norvos order is the new mass. This was established by Pope Paul VI and Vatican 2 which is the modern office of the church. Most people don't want the new mass because it's too modern and not holy like the old mass
CMRI, fixed their ordinations as far as I know.
You really summarized that quickly.
I am not Catholic but I am intrigued by that church. I listened to Cardinal Arinze explain the new missal. What he said indicated at least in some respects, a reversion to pre-Varican II theology. It reminded me of the US Supreme Court recent ruling to overturn Roe v Wade ajd the comments by Justice Thomas that suggested other areas of reform the court will need to address that will reverse previously adopted rights and freedoms. I asked myself what is going on in the world? There seems to be a paradigm shift to the right in the whole world. Watch this space.
It was called, "sentiment" by John Paul II. Little did he understand Sacred Tradition.
Εξαιρετικές συμβουλές από μια σοφή γυναίκα.
The 1962 Mass was Pope John XXIII. Paul wasn't Pope until June of 1963.
I know
The answer is simple with the Internet people are researching the history and the church fathers writings and the natural conclusion you will come to logically is that the Catholic church and orthodox are how the church was originally designed by the apostles and Jesus and his Holy Spirit and you don’t reform or remake a church if it’s already doing the right thing, you just get rid of the abuses and heresies that Paul dealt with and the apostles had to fight against of course the real driver of this is the Holy Spirit and narcissism will never give you peace
I agree you don't remake the Church, Vatican II's whole goal was to remake the Church for the modern world, so you agree with Traditional Catholics lol
@@-catholic I agree with the orthodox more than the Roman catholic .but I’m thinking more of the reformation being completely out of whack rebelling as the Roman church did when it defied the councils that were previously all of the bishops agreeing, that the Spirit of God lead them that Rome had to be and have a pope and their rebellion is what caused the entire schism and continued to schism as they created Protestantism. There are some Roman Catholics that I believe are continuing to follow the original tradition, but too many have become gnostics agreeing with the teachings of Aquinas. And Augustine.
@@-catholic you’re choosing to be blind and that’s what’s funny
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
@@sammygomes7381 you may be correct on a few of those statements, but the bottom line is whether you like it or not historically the Catholic Church the word means one church. The original church was started by Jesus through his apostles and many of the traditions created at that time for the first 2 to 300 years is the correct way to worship . Historically it’s proven you can look it up the reformation or reforming of the traditions and teachings was a rebellious move caused by a rebellious schism in the original church. These type things have gone on since the beginning of the church Paul dealt with it, so did Peter. it is created by pride and a gnostic belief thinking you can no intellectually everything about God truth scripture and not have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit but this is incorrect, and whether you figure it out now, or on the judgment day, you will find I’m telling you the truth you need to pray while you study scripture and history to know the truth
I'm from India, what is Traditional Catholicism? How many types of Catholics are there?
There's Traditional and Modernist. "Old Catholics" aren't Catholic
Social issues bring them into the church, nothing to do with the gospel that apostle Paul preached. Consider his warning in epistle of Galatians chapter 1 v 8.
Is it? Seems to be getting crushed. I don't see churches opening left and right.
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: : “Eternal damnation remains a possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it. The thought of hell and even less the improper use of biblical images must not create anxiety or despair... The concept of hellfire, the fiery furnace and the unquenchable fire of Gehenna need to be interpreted as symbolic language... The risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry, ‘Abba, Father!’” (Rm 8:15; Gal 5:6).
+JMJ And that same Lord said : "Enter ye at the narrow gate for wide is the gate, and broad the way that leadeth to destruction, and many are who go thereat. How narrow is the gate, and straight is the way that leadeth to life and few there that find it!" Mt.7:13-14. The Lord then says: "Not everyone that saith to me 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven. "Mt. 7:21)
+JMJ And that same Lord said : "Enter ye at the narrow gate for wide is the gate, and broad the way that leadeth to destruction, and many are who go thereat. How narrow is the gate, and straight is the way that leadeth to life and few there that find it!" Mt.7:13-14. The Lord then says: "Not everyone that saith to me 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven. "Mt. 7:21)
@@brianbacon5149 POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholics believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
@JoyToTheWorld-v2f +JMJ. In applying Benedict's own words, I didn't give you an individual quote. I gave you 2 separate teachings of Our Lord that corroborate each other. Second, in applying the statement you cite, why would you take that statement literally or treat it as if it somehow undermine's the Lord's own plain and simple teaching? That's jesuitical casuistry which is morally relativistic and unCatholic. Credo quid quid dixit Dei Filius.
@@brianbacon5149 ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “By forgiving his executioners, Jesus showed he is not the accuser of the guilty but rather their advocate and intercessor. Jesus’ words of forgiveness - “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” - were spoken in circumstances of the greatest hatred and cruelty.
Jesus forgives His adversaries immediately, even as their hostility continues.
Jesus is the defender, not the accuser of the guilty, because He knows that many can be less guilty than it appears, or one thinks. For this reason, he taught his followers not to judge others.
The mercy Jesus asked for His executioners is extended to all humanity.”
The entire SSPX was NEVER excommunicated. Now that’s a big thing that needs to be corrected in this video. Only those 4 individuals were. That’s not how excommunication works. It’s for individuals not entire for the entire SSPX. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with attending SSPX for communion, marriage, or confession per the magisterium, pope Francis, and those he assigned to investigate SSPX. Anyone who says otherwise is blatantly lying or severely misinformed. It does not matter what any other bishop or cardinal says. Period.
Baptism of Blood and Desire is taught by the Ordinary and solemn magisterium of the Church; so is the doctrine of the B.V.M. As Co-Redemptrix. On the SSPX: The group was never excommunicated, only Msgr. Lefebvre and the four bishops that he consecrated; this excommunication was latter lifted on the four bishops by Benedict XVI, after Msgr. Lefebvre's death. Over all a very short but good summary of the different groups.
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They don’t have full communion with Rome. Stop teaching error
@@lifematterspodcast What is the difference between "full" and "partial" communion? I'm unclear.
@@MichaelWilson-ky3pp full communion would be to be under the governance of the Vicar of Christ, the Pope. Partial communion is that there is a recognition of many shared aspects of the Faith, but lack the ties via the pastoral governance of the Church. The SSPX is a fraternal organization that is not under the jurisdiction of a valid religious order or diocesan bishop. This would imply that they could be said to be in schism. For example the SSPX has a valid Eucharist, but their community is not under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Church, but Rome has allowed for the validity of confession and marriage. Essentially the Church supplies that validity of the Sacrament of penance. We are watching this all play out in real time so it is not officially clear what exactly the status is since there seems to be talk between Rome & sspx. Overall, we sure pray and hope the sspx submits to the Church, but just because they call themselves “the Church” does not mean that they are. They have fringe beliefs
@@lifematterspodcast Thank you for your response; then as far as I know there has not been any official excommunication of the SSPX as a group (which I stated in my first post). Also, Pope Francis recently stated in his General audience (Feb. 2, 2022) that no one can exclude himself from the Church, no matter what one does. Therefore if the SSPX has not been excommunicated and cannot exclude themselves from the Church, then they must be in some sort of communion with the Church and therefore "within" the Church. Is this correct?
0:40... Cowardice is the saddest thing in the world... with the rest of sin too... The cowardice of the priest called to stand up for Jesus and love Him above all things... to put Him into the mouth of such a person... one needs to cry.
do you have any stasticstic too proof your claim I would love to see them ( I am not condeming your statment !)
Nothing can kill the reality of the echarist.
Eucharist
Nothin except bad spelling. 😆
unless you think a wafer is turned into Christ.
@@sammygomes7381 protestant/satan be gone in The Name of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost. Amen!!!!✝️💒🕊
@sammygomes7381 Whatever your faith, it is clear the apostles and their deciples all made the distinction that the bread and blood which jesus said was actually his is just that. Go do some research.
I love the diamond brothers
You forgot the SSPX-MC
That's Williamson
Why did I think you were going to answer the question you posed?
I listed the reasoning for conversion
Thank you for this video on this, the 17th Sunday in Protestant time, Novus Ordo.
The Novus Ordo is not Protestant
@@society1421 +JMJ Then why is the Holy Sacrifice invisible in the NO? Why do only 17% of Catholics attend the NO on Sunday (Protestants don't attend on Sunday either). Why of those 17%, only 30% believe in the Real Presence? Seems to me the NO is clearly Protestant. It tried to annihilate the Catholic culture faithful to the Lord of Sacrifice, Reparation and the Cross.
0/54 SAINT Cardinal Ottaviani beside modernist liberal Non Saint
Warned against by Saint Pius X sitting on Throne of Prince of Apostles
Today is 20 August 2024 Anniversary of 1914 Glorious Passing away of Saint Pius X Last True Pope 109 years ago
The Protestant church lifts up a watered down form of Christianity where anything goes and everyone is a caught up in emotionalism, rock concerts and social hour. Church is solemn and reverent. I go to church mass to meet Jesus in the Eucharist not for a feel good message. Consuming the blood and body is joyful enough for me to celebrate.
I am not sure what protestants do but Christians follow Christ and Catholics follow the teaching of the Catholic church, so let's not be throwing stones. If your going to mass to meet Jesus you're going to have a long wait. Neither Jesus nor the apostles took part in the mass or pagan rituals. If one is born-again Christ is in them, don't have to go anywhere to meet Him. God and the apostles told us not to drink blood and you think Christ would disobey the Father?
@@sammygomes7381 Born again means baptism.
There's nothing pagan in Catholicism. We don't worship pagan gods.
@@julieelizabeth4856 "Born again means baptism" If your Catholic you would mean water baptism. Actually, it doesn't. How does the new birth come to be? Ephesians 2:8-9 states, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” When one is saved, he has been born again, spiritually renewed, and is now a child of God by right of that new birth. Faith in Jesus Christ, the One who paid the penalty of sin when He died on the cross, is the means by which one is born again. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation: the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Where does Christ mention baptism when speaking to Nicodemus in John 3? I think you will find we have attached the word "baptism" to many different things. Water baptism doesn't save anyone. We are saved when we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and now we refer to that as baptism of the Holy Spirit.
After one receives the Holy Spirit, they should follow Christ's example and be water baptized but it's not the water that does anything. Being cleansed in water is an old Jewish ritual. Hopefully you can see why water baptism of an infant is nothing more than a ritual as an infant and young child cannot meet the requirements of being born-again through no fault of their own and this does not bind them to hell if they pass early.
As for the pagan part, Acts 15, the apostles, like God told us not to drink blood, and the apostles reasoning was it was a pagan thing.
The following statement contains not one truth of anyone in the bible so who is this goddess and idol. Catechism of the Catholic church 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
Thank you for saying what I think as well
@@sammygomes7381we are all Christian’s Catholics being the first Christian chruch but I can tell you what Protestants do they follow Luther
Vatican II was the worst thing that happened to the Catholic Church, I made my First Holy Communion in 1954 and left after Vatican II.
Most Catholics really aren't religious!
Yes, every Sunday they settle in a pew and watch ceremony!
However, after Mass they leave their faith at the door of the church and are convinced they are going to heaven!
How many Catholics you know who work in soup kitchens or food pantries???
Jesus is all about love, charity, and acceptance.
Does this describe the Catholics you know???
How do Catholics think they are saved, it's not by going to mass.
It describes some Catholics and some protestants and also describes works. I’m hearing two things, making generalized assumptions about both protestants and Catholics and also I hear a Protestant giving merit to good works, the very thing to which you object in Catholics as important to salvation.
This proves to me that Protestants also value good works and charity and thus faith alone that you hold true is no different than what Catholics believe. As per St. Paul, “faith without works….”.
I attend a Catholic Church and have never sat in a pew and speculated on one’s merit or intentions or faith. Yet you whom have likely never been at a Catholic Church can say, “most Catholics….”. Guess what! You can’t point out the difference between a Catholic and a Protestant on the street nor can I and nor do I care to.
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God is our Father. He loves us like a Father loves His children.
We don't earn this love.
When I say Jesus is all about love, charity, and acceptance, not ceremony,
I imply that religion is about people not ceremony!
Religion is also not about the bible, reading the bible, and forgetting that people are more important than scriptures.
By the way, I am a Lutheran, not Baptist. Scriptures are not everything. Charity is everything!
It isn’t!
He is not growing, he is the original one. Vatican II emptied the churches. Peter's seat is vacant. They've been Protestant since they decided to change the doctrine.
Papa, Vatican 2 did not empty Churches. Indifferent Christians did that! The Papacy was never vacant as you claim! I am so very grateful to the Holy Spirit for Vatican 2 and Pope Francis! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
@@matthewbroderick6287you have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 protestant CULTS. Protestant’s are NOT Christian!
So your calling Jesus a lier and you’ll go to HELL for that
Since Covid, many Protestant (Church of England) Parishes are turning back to pre-Vatican II, having recently had a very interesting discussion with my local Protestant Vicar in my local parish here in the U.K.
@@michaeljohndennis2231 those who claim Vatican 2 teaches heresy and error, then deny Vatican 1 that states the Church can never teach heresy and error! Obedience to Peter is Obedience to Jesus Christ! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
NOT
It's not.
The abusive priest of novus ordo? Honestly we don't what the Trad priest were capable of? News and secrecy were easier to cover up things in the 1950's and before - That said, the church has no short list of atrocities over millennia.
Abuses meaning things like Altar girls and clown masses, not sexual abuses.
@@-catholic After rewatching it that is not implication i got -
@@sitka49 The video is on Traditional Catholicism nobody became a Traditional Catholic because the Novus Ordo Priests did sexual abuses that isn't a theological matter, the theological matter is the CLERICAL ABUSES which is things like Clown Masses
@@-catholic There were traditional Catholics priest before there were ( novus ordo priest) you can't honestly believe none of those priests that were traid-cad before Vatican 2 that there couldn't of been a few ped priests mixed in?
Why I say this is because I had a friend I went to school that had told me that he was molested by a priest, ( he explained to me what happened to him but I really didn't understand what molestation was back then I never heard of it before - but what he told me pretty much was disgusting ) and then he tried telling his parents and they pretty much blow - it off - saying " Quit saying things like that no priest would do that." ( this is my contention that this is what you'd run up against if you tried to make that claim back then) And this priest was ordained back in the 50's , and guess what? 30 years later he was convicted of molesting of multiple children including my friend. ( 16 total that they know of)
@@sitka49 my point is this video has nothing to do with the sexual scandals
Not catholic and dont understand but why doesn't Rome give the people what they want? Did Jesus really want all this? Dont think so.
Man made religion! We need to return back to the roots of the early church!
@@albertinirock4926the early Church was Catholic as it has been for two thousand year’s. If your problem then leave your man made protestant CULT
Wow! You really have no clue what is going on in the world or in the Church. You do not know history, even the recent history of the Church, much less do you know anything of Christianity and Christian doctrine. Save your soul and dedicate time and effort coupled with prayers that you learn wisdom and truth. And urgently seek a proper baptism before it is too late for you.
Bunch of idol worshippers and child abusers.
@@albertinirock4926+JMJ You mean like sacred language, ad orientam and Mass as Holy Sacrifice of Calvary? Yes. I agree. Let's dump the New Order and its (wo)man centeredness.
I guess a regression of thought can be linked to fear of change and not being able to see one's place in it or relevance to them , those that fear change
He did not "lift" the excommunication.....he nullified it. Big difference.
Very simple reason, Catholics want go back in time, because educated want Latin and converts like T. Marshall. Jesus said about those who look back.
Jesus mission is complete
Hebrews 13:8
Pius X was an iconoclast
+JMJ Saints challenge and upset the icons of self-idolatry and modernism. True enough.
Less than half a percent of Sunday parishioners in North America are attending a TLM on any given Sunday. Some of these grandiose claims about self-proclaimed "growth" should be re-examined in that light.
Of far more relevance (and importance) is restoring some of the historical elements of the Mass without throwing out everything (i.e. some use of the vernacular, which most people appreciate, and the expanded lectionary.)
+JMJ You base your number off all Catholics which is seriously misleading. Only 17% of Catholics in the US attend Sunday Mass. By contrast 99% of TLM Faithful attend Sunday Mass. In Italy less than 10% of Catholics attend on Sunday. NO churches continue to close, vocations are in the tank and marriages and baptisms are endangered species. And only 30% of the 17% believe in the Real Presence (the most central dogma of the Catholic faith). Also a reform of the NO won't work. The optionality of the rubric makes that idea unworkable. The NO retained only 13% of the Traditional orations. It will continue to transmit a Protestant sectarian rather than a holy catholic and apostolic Faith.
Bishop Lefebvre voted for all the documents of Vatican II. Deal with it.
I am not SSPX
@@-catholic In the video you say that Lefevre is a strong pre-vatican to bishop. When in reality he voted in favor of Vatican II.
@@GabrielPereira-hm1cz Can you send some sources on this
"The signature of Lefebvre appears at the bottom of the Council documents,” said historian Piero Doria of the Vatican Secret Archives
And yet they hold the faith true as it was.
No surprise that the Catholic church is growing in these last days, so are all the other false cults. "...in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" 1 Timothy 4:1, King James Bible
Whom specifically are all the other “false” cults.
Actually it isn't. They just make more noise, and it seems that way.
Forget labels for a second and lets put accents elsewhere, be more charitable, shall we?
Is a person who reject a notion of the salvation in New Testament period without Water Baptism, and profession of true Faith a non-Catholic?
This is simple question. You claim that I belong to a sect, meaning: That I am cut off. You in turn engage in a behavior that you condemn. Will you remove that log out of your eye, before you start your own ophthalmologist practice?
Is a Catholic required to believe that Christ redeemed his Church WITH Blessed Virgin Mary, or that He ALONE redeemed us?
Please provide me with Magisterial Statement that confirms that. You know, the one that doesn't deny known dogmas, is actually signed by the valid Pope, and was published in AAS, at minimum. But even granting that, here is the question that follows: is Geocentrism de fide?
If not: Your argument regarding Suprema Haec Sacra (private document) is invalid on so many levels, and you happen to have no other arguments... but dislike of the style.
I criticized multiple groups in this video chill out. Also the BoD thing is why most people reject you is all I said never made a personal criticism there, my personal criticism is the Co-Redemptrix which I've already discussed
@@-catholic Ok, non answer is answer too. Thank you.
@@drwalmgc I've already debated you guys about this, check my earlier videos, we can have a proper discussion just add my discord "pius.v"
@@-catholic You know, these questions were yes, or no questions.
You could answer clearly, then point to resources. I don't do discord.
Luther's descendants.
Sorry, but not many people want to go back to the past.
A dead language for a dead liturgy.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
+JMJ Vernacular is "dead" in its impoverishment of language and profanity. The Vernacular serves the Clown liturgy well. Of course a dumbo Clown liturgy is dead by definition in its self idolatry. By contrast Latin is a sacred language that fittingly pays homage to Almighty God in the Apostolic Mass of the Ages. Dominus vobiscum.
I suggest you people look up on Wikipedia the word “Catholic”. You are “Roman Catholic” all the traditional churches like the Protestant are using the word in their service “catholic”. The word “catholic” means universal. We are all part of the one universal (catholic) body of Christian believers. So it is unreasonable for Roman Catholics to claim that word for themselves alone.
The Catholic church is identical to the Roman church
Trad catholic practices are soo spooky..I suggest even Jesus gets scared...amen
+JMJ Yes. They scare Satan and demons away. It's why the Lord prefers and blesses the TLM while the NO continues to decline and produce rotten fruit. TLM ritual from the Ages is exactly why modernists like you are phobic about the TLM.
+ JMJ Yes. They scare Satan and demons away. It's why the Lord prefers and blesses the TLM while the NO continues to decline and produce rotten fruit. TLM ritual from the Ages is exactly why modernists like you are phobic about the TLM.
The Ordinary Form is more traditional than the Extraordinary Form.
Of course, and the moon is brighter than the sun.
It’s extremely ordinary, Catholicism is extraordinary, it’s supernatural.
*Bro it’s more ancient*. It’s a New Mass made of old parts that does not make it Traditional. Traditional means it is handed on from time immemorial 1970 is not time immemorial.
There is no such thing as a new mass - there is only one Mass - one eternal event!
ik you don’t believe 2/10 ragebait
Jesus done away with the traditional Jewish temple and movements. Same repeated within the Roman Catholic papacy.
Is it really growing? I think all branches of the Catholic Church are in fast decline.
That's like a trad commented - "our church is always full" - and at the end he says but I have to drive 2 hrs to get there every week. Well we have about 50 churches in area that are novus ordo of a community of 120k plus surrounding communities 10 miles out - I would like see how the trads would fill those churches every week with anymore people then novus ordo? Devils in the details!
@@sitka49 True, I am not against the old Mass, given the massive fall off of people hearing Mass I think it's good people attend any Mass be it the old one or new one.
What you say was prophesied at Fatima
@@simonslater9024 Are't the current administration in Rome trying to walk back Fatima?
@@sitka49You are confusing growing with already big
Many of the radical changes people associate with Vatican II were actually made during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.
Father Leonard Feeney called upon Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) to issue an ex cathedra (infallible) statement reaffirming the non-negotiable nature of the “outside the Church” doctrine. Pius refused. In 1953, Pius XII excommunicated Feeney for heresy.
Pius stated: “Some reduce to a meaningless formula (“outside the Church there is no salvation”) the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.”
Pope Piux XII (Humani generis, 1950) said that scientific theories of evolution do not contradict Catholic teaching providing they allow for the spiritual dimension of the human person.
The Council of Constance in 1414-1418 ruled that Catholics had to abstain from all food and liquids, including water, form the previous midnight, until after Mass. To not do so was a mortal sin. This rule remained in place until 1957 when Pius XII reduced the fast to 3 hours before Mass.
In 1903, Pope Pius X restated the Church’s ban on women participating in church choirs. In his “Instruction On Sacred Music,” he ruled that women were not to be allowed any liturgical
function. However, Pope Pius XII, in his 1958 “Instruction on Sacred Music,” reversed this.