Don Bosco Explains the "Orthodox" Churches | Ep. 48
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Saint John Bosco was a prodigious writer. Looking at his mountain of literary work, it boggles the mind that he had the time to pen all those articulate books and pamphlets, including a catechism titled, “A Catholic Instructed in His Religion,” which teaches the faith in the form of a story about a father conversing with his children about a variety of Catholic topics. We will be going over his chapter on the schism of the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches from the One, Holy, Roman, Catholic Church in this episode.
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See your hypocrisy . You see the byzantine catholic eucharist that is the one true eucharist of your church you participate in it. But in that eucharist is Gregory Palamas is a saint .i am not talking about just a veneration but being a saint in the eucharist you see as your real eucharist. But saint Gregory Palamas says you are following blindly and obeying satan... So explain yourselves here...
As others try to sow seeds of confusion in the faith we need to keep our traditional books and stories alive in these days. Our Lady hope of Christians, pray for us
My name Yanni Eleftheriadis I am catholic yet grew up orthodox ah such peace upon me when i truly converted
So happy to hear that!!
My father was Greek Orthodox and became Roman Catholic in 1952.
He always said that by converting to Catholicism he's whole world opened up.
One of my greatest memories was listening to my father, John Peter Fronimos, and author James Likoudis at a dinner describing their lives growing up Greek in America 1920-40s
The love and devotion for the Greek Church, customs, and language was balanced out by the sometime narrow and xenophobic nature of the Church in that era.
Xala Xristouiana 2024
Timothy Constantine John Fronimos
(my mother was Irish American and Catholic)
Me too brother
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Thank you for this video. I came very close to converting from Catholicism to Orthodoxy last year. I decided to remain Catholic, I started praying the rosary and going to church every Sunday, and I am now very happy I remained a Catholic.
God Bless Saint Don Bosco, Bishop Fulton Sheen, Bishop Richard Williamson and Dr. E. Michael Jones.
So very, very glad you didn't apostatize! I'll include you in my daily Rosary and I do hope you'll pray for me!
Not accurate. Look into history. Plus all the popes elected by kings and power struggles
Russia and the universal church, is great read, history and errors of the orthodox churches.
@@TheEdzy25 Thank you for the info.
I grew up ukrainian catholic if you like the divine liturgy, the eastern catholic and orthodox divone liturgy (mass) is nearly identical, as well as its church architecture, icons, etc. The priests are wonderful
Its been a God given grace to me that after 2 years of considering the catholic faith I am now a part of it , I love the church of Christ and I am willing to defend it despite the persecution I face in such an anticatholic nation as Greece , may Don Bosco pray for me that I will spread the faith in Greece
The catholic church is the ultimate truth and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Swięta Prawda!
Amen, brother!!
No we need to be united for Christ!!!!
@@LLolLmaNsjdhsush we are united the catholic church is over the whole world united with different rites
@@charlesmaximus9161 false media theory
Sad story, very sad indeed... At least the Greek Church retained valid Sacraments. We pray for their reconciliation and reunification with the Holy See during these end times!
St. John Bosco, Pray for us!
it may be more possible soon!
Yep. I've a lot of respect for the Orthodox regardless of the theological differences.
With Pope blessing same sex cuples i don't think so!
@@AlexandruAlexandru-c4c Yeah he wildin, it's unfortunate, most sane Catholics rebuke this.
True, they are not heretics, and that's important, still a world of difference with protestantism.
Fraternal greetings from Tortona (Italy) where the great St. John Bosco founded his own institute where I attended school from the age of 3 to 13. St. John Bosco was always the saint of the poor and the least, but also a great man of intellect and culture. W St. John Bosco, the highest example of Christian virtue and witness of evangelical life. ✝️
This is a helpful channel. Keep 'em coming.
Thank you for this explanation. May it be viewed far and wide.
Not accurate
May God be praised in his angels and saints!
Thank you Saint John Bosco
I made my senior quote to be one of St. Bosco’s.
That's amazing! 👏
@@donboscostories “Do not try to excuse your faults; try to correct them”
Well Done. So much confusion today about where the Catholic Church stands in relation to the Schismatic Churches.
Unfortunately Vatican 2's documents on Ecumenism have blurred these lines and caused so much ambiguity.
They aren’t ambiguous. They’re manifestly heretical
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A bright, sincere and compassionate man who grew up in a cult of religious belief and used it to help others.
The Greek bishops recognized the chair of Peter in the papacy at Constance but the Greek politicians wouldn't agree.
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Proud being Catholic church.
Good evening brother. MAY lord bless you
Glory be to The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit Amen ✝️ 💕
pray for the unification of two churches
Agree. But what of the changes that have occurred to our Catholic Church since Vatican II? We need more saints like John Bosco to bring clarity back to the Faith?
It’s not accurate presentation of history or the whole truth
There were no theological changes.
Very poignant remark 👍🏻 V2 was a departure from the true Catholic Church. We can tell just from the breaking of the first commandment, as common prayer with not only heretics, but even pagans is promoted, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It would be too much to write here, but I strongly recommend Novus Ordo Watch as an excellent starting point. There you will find definitive proofs with citations of authentic church teaching demonstrating the stark differences between the true Catholic Church and the V2 heresies and apostasies.
Again, very helpful. Please do more on other religions. Thanks!
Thanks, I learned a lot from this talk. I wish you could talk more about this subject.
A subject we seldom hear much about. There is so much more to add, but it is enough to know that Schism from the Magisterial Authority of Christ's Holy Church is never the answer, no matter the problem.
Excellent job brother. Keep it up. Gloria tibi Domine
This content deserves an animator.
Wish we ha the budget for that, maybe one day!
A historian named Dvornik wrote on the Photian schism giving a different history of the accounts that led to the schism. I’m no historian and would appreciate clarification on the matter. I’ve also read St Alphonsus on the matter and his opinion is in line with St John Bosco..
Dvornik was quite learned, but he treats the Ignatian sources as gossip. The problem with that is that Pope St Nicholas believed them. Dvornik also introduces a primary source, The Life of Euthymius, which says that St Ignatius resigned, which would exculpate Photius for intruding into the see of St Ignatius. He argues that Photius and St Ignatius were reconciled and that there was no second Photian schism. I am not vouching for all that, but I'm afraid that in the scholarly community Dvornik has almost a stranglehold on this subject.
Dvornak was a Uniates, but after his research in his book The Photian Schism he converted to Orthodoxy.
As you also should do.
@@ekklesiagigapanography1854Even today, Orthodoxy proclaims the Bishop of Rome in the See of St. Peter as the "First Amongst Equals" which in, and of itself, acknowledges a "First", and therefore a Primary. Quibbles over the level of dignity afforded that primacy are meaningly. The Primacy of the See of Peter is universal and permanent.
Orthodoxy has very little grace compared to the Catholic church, mainly because it is full of pride.
@@universalflamethrower6342 I have a friend who was Catholic and converted to Orthodoxy and he tells me that the Orthodox are extremely divided.
Why did St. John Bosco said that the Orthodox deny divinity of the Holy Spirit? As far as I know, they believe in the Holy Trinity. I'm confused
They reject the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. They believe the Holy Ghost only proceeds from the Father
What the Creed said before being changed?
This is a problem- the filioque.
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Where can I find this book, “A Catholic Instructed in His Religion”?
St. John Bosco, pray for us.
I would like to hear what St. John Bosco says about The Catholic Church nowadays after Vatican II. Remember he lived at the time where the holy tradition was still well observed.
He would denounce heresy, without advocating schism. If you read his life, you'll see that there were unscrupulous popes and clerics even in his time too, trust me.
Vatican II inaugurated the great passion of the Church, but in her essence she is always the same, because the Depositum Fidei has not been altered and the Church's ability to deliver the sacraments is still exactly the same. This is because the smoke of satan has entered the Church, but as Christ promised us, the gates of hell shall never prevail against her.
@@kamilmurawski1136 As Saint Catherine of Siena wonderfully states: the Pope could even be the antichrist, but he still remains the Pope. Only God is above the pope, and therefore only God alone can judge the pope for how well he excecuted the job as the Vicar of Christ. As long as God allows it, it's absolutely NOT our authority to judge the pope or the clergy, but only to judge their actions, to pray for them and gently remind them the Truth of what the Holy Mother Church has always taugh if they are not leading the flock as they should.
Vatican II is NOT a dogmatic council, but exclusively pastoral, as it explicitly states. The dogmas contained in the Vatican II documents were not defined by Vatican II, but were already previously defined.
Our Lord promised us that the gates of hell shall NEVER prevail against His Holy Church, this is why the Depositum Fidei and the Church's ability to confer the life-giving Sacramanents are preserved, as they will forever be until Christ will conclude human history.
Please can anyone explain this:
It's the Church of Rome that excommunicated the Eastern Church ... not the other way around!! Where did the Church of Rome get this "authority" to do this ...( to kick out the Eastern Church) ??
Politics aside, ... didn't this excommunication lead to breaking up of the body .. (one Church under Christ) ??
Can anyone explain this please ??
I thought Don Bosco explained it pretty well.
The Pope has the power to excommunicate the leaders of the Eastern Churches due to the authority he is granted by being the successor of Peter and the first among the Patriarchs. The Orthodox are actually correct in how the relationship between the Pope and other Patriarchs work as being first among equals, but they always omit what obligations they still owe to the first among equals. The main obligation is the recognition of communion between Churches. The Eastern Churches are allowed complete autonomy in how they operate to include how they select their new Patriarch. However, the Eastern Churches have to seek recognition from the Pope to be considered in communion with Universal Church. The Pope's removal of recognition and ability excommunicate a Patriarch comes from this authority. What's important is that the penalty only applies to the Patriarch. If that man reforms himself or a new Patriarch is selected and is recognized then that Eastern Church is back in communion with Rome. Around two dozen Orthodox and Oriental Churches have reconciled with Rome and are in full communion with the Catholic Church. Those Churches are even allowed to have their own theological and dogmatic difference from Rome as long as they don't go against an Ecumenical Council.
ANYONE interested in this topic needs to read, The Orthodox Church a Well Kept Secret by Fr. Nicozisin. Brilliant slender volume.
Thank you and God bless you
Just a partial thought, but given my limited understanding of history I’ve heard that the papacy has also gone through extreme periods of corruption in the way pontiffs were elected (thinking of the borgias), similar to Bosco’s point about the Patriarch. Always open to correction though. Great video!
You are correct. Roman Catholic Church is not without its own faults. John Bosco chooses to ignore those in his writing in the 1850s. This was long after the counter reformation in the late 1500s and early 1600s. Put quite bluntly this is BS.
Yes, this entire video sounds like PROJECTION.
Also, St Photos the Great has been vindicated, accepted by the one church, and glorified as a saint all over the world.
Don Bosco believed and taught historical lies.
The bishop of Rome apologized for the previous bishop of Rome named Nicholas once Photos the Great was reinstated. Watch Peter Heers video on it dealing with the Photian Council (ecclesiology playlist video 5 I believe).
It gets worse than that. Several times there were multiple popes as in the Western Schism. Also the French King appointed several popes in the Avignon papacy. And yet here we are.
@@ekklesiagigapanography1854 It doesn't sound like a reliable story. Projection.
@@johnlowell8202 apparently you are COMPLETELY UNAWARE of UNAM SANCTUM and DICTATUS PAPAE. Or do you claim those popes were simply teaching what the first bishop of Rome Linus handed down? Please enlighten us as to how Linus and the third bishop of Rome Clement - who both worked with the Apostle Paul - taught UNAM SANCTUM and DICTATUS PAPAE.
Thanks!
Thank you for your channel. We are so grateful. God bless you!
It would've been great if you mentioned the 'filioque'!! This subject is way too important to ignore!
Everything I say regarding catechism from St. John Bosco is verbatim, regardless of what I think may be important. He's the catechist, not me.
Thank you.
Thank you for your work. Do you know if there is a reprint of this available?
I can't find it, unfortunately!
Thank you
Good video.
One holy, universal and apostolic church: the orthodox church. Christ Is Risen!
Just saying it, does not make it so. The "Orthodox" church is not from the line of Peter. Christ is Risen!
@@donboscostories neither does it have to be from Peter. Truly He has risen!
@@sirius4518Yes it does, Christ made that clear. Thou art Peter.....Christ is Risen !
@@biddyearly9262 I think you are confusing, mixing up Christ with Peter. It is the church of Christ, not the one of Peter. Besides, if you feel so tied to Peter, why don't you acknowledge his own gospel and you make references to the one of Matei / Mathhew? Also I urge you to study the concept of the mystical body of Christ. God bless!
@@sirius4518 That gospel is not canonized because the bishops at the time could not guarantee it was authentic.
God bless you. From Ireland ☘️
Thank you and God bless!
The Roman pontiff is acting a bit like a tyrant currently in my opinion. Let's all make the five first Saturdays while we can 🙏
The False prophet Bergoglio(or Pope Francis) is controlled by satan. Please read the Seal Of The Living God messages given to the last prophet Maria Divine Mercy by The Holy Trinity and The Holy Mary between 2010 - 2015. The last true Pope was Benedict XIV. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be in our generation!
A bit? Down right HERESY‼️
@@cindymiller5771 make the five first Saturdays while we can
Christ instructed the Church to preach everything he taught (Matt. 28:19-20) and promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to “guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13). That mandate and that promise guarantee the Church will never fall away from his teachings (Matt. 16:18, 1 Tim. 3:15), even if individual Catholics might.
As Christians began to more clearly understand the teaching authority of the Church and the primacy of the pope, they developed a clearer understanding of the pope’s infallibility. This development of the faithful’s understanding has its clear beginnings in the early Church. Saint Augustine succinctly captured the ancient attitude when he remarked, “Rome has spoken; the case is concluded” (Sermons 131, 10).
What a brilliant comment.... thank you so much !
@@fritula6200 ⚜️AVE MARIA
And now we’re under attack by our own magisterium
That doesn't mean that schism is the answer. All St. John Bosco was saying: Schism = Bad.
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We are not the ones in schism. Rome has placed itself in schism from traditional Catholics by departing from the Catholic faith.
So one resorts to a religion where the head of the church has no connection with Jesus Christ whatsoever? It doesn't add up.
@@BB-kt5eb Your statement is contrary to Catholic teaching on papacy. According to Catholic faith, Roman Church cannot defect, cannot teach heresy for entire Church, cannot lose the faith.
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Well, the Roman Catholic Church approved numerous Marian apparitions that said Rome would lose the faith and the remnant would eventually be pushed underground by the ape of the Church that establishes itself within the Roman Catholic Church.
Papal infallibility is contingent on several key factors, one of which being that no papal teaching, even if invoked ex cathedra is valid if it runs contrary to the long since established doctrines and dogmas of the faith as declared in unbroken record for centuries.
Where can I get the text of these stories written by San Juan Bosco? Are they from a specific book?
A 20 volume set titled, “The Biographical Memoirs of Saint John Bosco,” by Fr. Giovanni Battista Lemoyne.
Where can I get the book?
Imagine one Church (The Roman) standing up and saying, "all you other brothers are wrong ... I am right, and you are all excommunicated (while all the other Churches remain in Communion with each other)". In society, or any human circle ... it is the former that is locked up or exiled. It's ok ... go on with your Pride flag wrapped Pope.
Impressive narration/"radio" voice--very professional and polished for someone so young. Im on my third straight round of the video because of it. 😄 20 years ago I was married by a Fr. Don Bosco, looking forward to investigating your channel to discover more about the original Bosco.
Good grief! What would his reaction be if he could see the state of the Church today ?
There were already problems in Rome at his time, so we know that he would support the papacy while opposing heresy.
@@donboscostoriesFrancis does not hold the papacy.
@@deus_vult8111 if you're a Catholic you are now in grave sin.
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I knew about purgatory, but didn't know they denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit? Did I hear that right?
This is very timely with the move Francis just made to canonize the 21 Coptic martyrs.
Catholic copies?
The people that devise a schism have the blame, not the ones who of no fault of their own inherited a faulty theology. They had a desire to belong to the True Church so they died for Jesus and the True Catholic Church.
@@zenuno6936 Then it is the duty of the people to return to Tradition. Those who live in schism and die outside of the faith cannot have eternal salvation- The Council of Florence
@@zenuno6936 heretics & schismatics CAN NOT be martyrs....
Do you understand who God is & what truth is?
@@quiricomazarin476 The Church just said so, so we obey the Church. She is the one who grants the title of martyr, not you and me. Lumen gentium - "The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter(...)He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood."
Which was the case with these copt now saints, they have the eternal crown of martyrdom.
Praised be Jesus Christ!
The Holly Light appears at Jerusalem in the day of Orthodox Easter.
Does it?
Is there a link to an English translation of don Bosco’s cathecism?
There is no English translation of The book that I can find. I had to have this particular section translated.
How many fireplaces do you have?
All of them
The orthodox do believe in the divinity of the three personas of the Trinidad. The diference comes in the “filioque “ or the procedence… they believe the Holy Spirit only proceeds from the Father not from the son… They also have not accepted the New Dogmas our catholic church has declared after their schism
While Catholic Church today rejects its own dogmatic teachings...
The Eastern Churches are under no obligation to accept those dogmas and vice versa. The Catholic Church fully acknowledges that the autonomous Churches are allowed to have theological and dogmatic differences as long as they don't conflict with what is in scripture and what has been established in prior councils. You can see this in the Catholic Church's own Cannon Law and its current relationships with the 23 Eastern Churches in the Catholic fold. The bar for reconciliation is much lower than most Orthodox know or want to admit.
The real issue between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches today are the same as it was 1000 years ago, politics and power. The Challenge today is that the Catholic Church has continued to grow and prosper since the Great Schism, while the Orthodox Churches have floundered and declined. The Russian Orthodox Church is the only Eastern Church that has found significant success, but that Church was devastated under Communism and is still in the process of recovering. Reconciliation today would feel like a defeat to many Orthodox, and defeat is the most bitter pill to swallow.
There is no salvation outside the Holy Catholic Church, founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ!
I didn't know that Don Bosco is a lier! Thanks for clarifying this
???
I would like to read his own words on orthodoxy. Not convinced he was that against orthodox as suggested.
The WHOLE POINT OF THE VIDEO is to repeat Don Bosco’s own words.
Here is the link to the original Italian...
Look under chapter 14:
www.donboscosanto.eu/oe/il_cattolico_istruito_nella_sua_religione.php
If you don't believe me, just throw it into Google translate.
All I did was give the boy in the story a name and formatted it in a more conversational way.
@@donboscostories Thank you for the swift reply, much appreciated. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part as i want to beleive he had some love for his orthodox brethren as I admire him immensly.
Amen
The last part is wrong, the catholics changed a lot. The sacraments are only with bred not with wine to, they filled the churches with statues like pagans, they even torn down crosses from theyr churches, they introduced orgue and a lot more innovations. The older catholics were more close to the byzantine rite, today is like a theatre play.
I appreciate the subscription! Will try to keep you engaged.
Still confused when it comes to SSPX … wonder what would St Don Bosco say
Whoever isnt in communion with rome is a schismatic.
Not in schism
I don't support SSPX, neither attend their churches. However, they are considered to be in an ‘irregular situation’ (whatever that means) with the Church if Rome. I don't have to be a teologian or religious to know that I wouldn't put my soul in an ‘irregular situation’ with the Holy Catholic Church. They will be the first ones to profess that salvation is only through the Catholic Church (which is a a different topic too long to discuss in here). Let's pray for unity and humility of heart in all of us.
Blessed Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Schism is for example refusal to submit to Roman Pontiff while recognising him as valid pope. Schism is also creating own parallel ecclesial structures without comunnion with valid pope and valid ordinary bishop.
To understand the sspx you need first understand that Vatican 2 changed Catholicism in liturgy, doctrine and discipline.
Sspx recognise the Pope but refuse to submit to him.
More correct option is that of Bishop Donald Sanborn.
Don Bosco - world class propagandist, awful historian.
As a Roman Catholic who left the western church and joined the Antiochian Eastern Orthodox, I was shocked at the historical inaccuracies presented in this video. Its sad that so many roman catholics believe this nonsense. There is no way the two will ever reunite when the western church keeps stepping away from the ancient truth that once united us.
The early church approved the papacy like iraneus of lyons, Jerome, cyprian of carthage etc until the orthodox church schismed in 1054
I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails. - St. Jerome, A.D. 396
With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal church at Rome, in which sacerdotal unity has its source. - St. Cyprian of Carthage, A.D. 251
They [the Novatian heretics] have not the succession of Peter, who hold not the chair of Peter, which they rend by wicked schism; and this, too, they do, wickedly denying that sins can be forgiven [by the sacrament of confession] even in the Church, whereas it was said to Peter: ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven’[Matt. 16:19]. - St Ambrose, A.D. 388
We exhort you in every respect, honorable brother, to heed obediently what has been written by the most blessed pope of the city of Rome, for blessed Peter, who lives and presides in his own see, provides the truth of faith to those who seek it. For we, by reason of our pursuit of peace and faith, cannot try cases on the faith without the consent of the bishop of Rome. - St. Peter Chrysologus, A.D. 449
@@michaelwachira8484your own pope says not to try to covert the orthodox
@@countryboyredNot an infallible statement.
Let me guess because it is trad and based, apostate?
@@sandrothenecromancer6810 Don't forget the beards and Icons!
Does anyone know where we can get this book?
I can only find a PDF in Italian online. Would that help?
www.donboscosanto.eu/oe/il_cattolico_istruito_nella_sua_religione.php
@@donboscostoriesGrazie Mille!
⚜️Ave Maria
Holy Mother Church of all churches, the Bride of Christ given the keys by our Lord Jesus to his appointed one, Peter, Bishop of Rome
Very sad story, once more the interpretation of these warnings in the lens of a blasphemous Roman bishop causes sheep to jump to the wrong conclusion.
When you speak to Greek orthodox Christians, it sounds like catholics were the ones in error. Likewise when you hear from Catholics, it sounds like the orthodox Christians are in error. Please let's leave these fights in the past. I've been to both churches. It's shameful that we keep carrying small fights that are over 1000 years old.
I stand with the One, Holy, Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church: they are in Error. I also stand by the excellent research of Saint John Bosco. He was a paragon of virtue and studiousness (with a photographic memory).
I didn't know all this about Orthodoxy:
I knew some things, but this is deep stuff:
It's strange how all these false religions
used Roman Catholicism to create
false religions!!
How it was done, they turned around the
TRUTH'S OF CATHOLICISM INTO FALSEHOODS
AND WENT PREACHING THAT:
SEE HOW LIES CAN BE DRESSED UP TO
LOOK GOOD .... THIS BRINGS SUFFERING !!
Did Saint John Don Bosco speak about the protestanism
If he did.. please make a video about it
Planning on it.
This is a slightly one sided view of history. Not entirely accurate either. Some of the things mentioned could also be applied to the RCC (especially about money buying positions). Obviously as a Catholic I agree that the Greeks are schismatic, but I think there needs to be a bit of a realisation that there was fault on both sides and that misunderstanding played a big part in the problem, not so much heresy.
"But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth" (Apoc. 3:16). One is the true Church and the other is not. It's pretty simple.
@@donboscostories I agree with you. We are the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But let’s be charitable and recognise our own faults (and maybe portray history accurately) then we might win our schismatic brothers back? When the Orthodox come back (if that is Christ’s Divine Will) by the actions of the Holy Ghost, Photius may well be a Roman Catholic saint (he is already a Byzantine Catholic saint).
If you seperate from the true Catholic Church then you're going to Hell, that's Catholic doctrine. We're discussing people's salvation here. It's best not to pussyfoot around such questions and be categorical. Photius is likely in hell, unless he recanted his errors. Sometimes charity involves telling people that schism means damnation.
@@donboscostories Well this applies to you so called 'Catholics' after your split from the Holy Church. Apparently, by your own words, you papists will be heading to Hell having separated from the one true Church (solely represented today by Orthodoxy).
@@GeoBBB123 the papacy was always accepted and stop speaking on emotions and provide facts
I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails. - St. Jerome, A.D. 396
With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal church at Rome, in which sacerdotal unity has its source. - St. Cyprian of Carthage, A.D. 251
They [the Novatian heretics] have not the succession of Peter, who hold not the chair of Peter, which they rend by wicked schism; and this, too, they do, wickedly denying that sins can be forgiven [by the sacrament of confession] even in the Church, whereas it was said to Peter: ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven’[Matt. 16:19]. - St Ambrose, A.D. 388
We exhort you in every respect, honorable brother, to heed obediently what has been written by the most blessed pope of the city of Rome, for blessed Peter, who lives and presides in his own see, provides the truth of faith to those who seek it. For we, by reason of our pursuit of peace and faith, cannot try cases on the faith without the consent of the bishop of Rome. - St. Peter Chrysologus, A.D. 449
I also rebuke those who say that the "Orthdox" is the true Church by telling them that St.Ignatius of Antioch, (A DIRECT DISCIPLE OF JOHN THE APOSTLE) first used the Greek word; "Katolicós" (UNIVERSAL) to describe the Catholic Church in 107 A.D...NOT the Orthdox. In 313A.D, Emperor Constantine issued the, "Edict of Milan" to stop the persecution of the Catholic Church...NOT the Orthdox. In 380A.D, Emperor Theodosius OFICIALLY DECLARED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THAT OF ROME...NOT the Orthdox.
The Catholic church yes, the Roman church never.roman church broke away from Catholic church, based on false doctrine in 1054.
Do you think he could say the same today? Lol
Yes. lol.
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
The "errors of Russia."
in fact it should be the "errors of Germany", since Marx was German :)
@@walterweiss7124 The point was: The errors of Russia are the errors of the schismatic Orthodox. Marxism/anti-humanism is the logical outcome of it. Same with the outcome of Protestantism.
That pertains to atheism, communism. 85% of the first bolshevik government were Jews anyway, not Russians, much less Orthodox.
@@zenuno6936 Yes, of course. But, it had a beginning: Schism and heresy. Slippery slope.
@@zenuno6936 The errors already existed before that, in fact, communism just emboldened russians to be even more savages.
The account is very simplified and generalized understandably for a kids story, the East and west split on differences of doctrine related to the inclusion of the filioque. The East claimed the west added to what prior ecumenical councils agreed to. I find catholic arguments wanting in this regard and the EO seem to make better claims. However, I remain catholic because I believe in the words of Christ to St. Peter. Unless there’s a better defense, the EO will continue in their pride and claim they are the true church.
Everything I say regarding catechism from St. John Bosco is verbatim, regardless of what I think may be important. He's the catechist, not me.
To separate from the Catholic Church because the Church desired to emphasize that Our Lord is of the same nature as The Father, (the filioque) is a false reason, a non-sense for anyone who knows the Scripture. The filioque is used to justify the evil of schism and make the Orthodox Church look good. The OC is fighting for its identity against the Truth. And that's insane. Because Truth should be its foundation.
@@donboscostories I think that simpler the explanation the better.
Well both Orthodox and Catholic churches claim that they are the true church. In that sense both churches have pride.
@@daglasan4285They can't be both true, because Truth and being are one. Therefore one church is a false church.
We cannot be a spiritual sloth when our lord jesus christ decides to take our lives for all of eternity. Please remind other people to sacrifice thoughts,words deeds,and the 15 rosaries thsr we can offer to our lady of the immaculate heart of Mary to fircthe sake of the sinners. This way we can prevent temptations from other people. We have to help our friends and relatives from sins. We can help them and hopefully save them ftom the fires of hell bubour 15:mysteries of our rosary for a sacrifice for their salvation by adking for forgiveness and control of impure thoughts words deeds and actions plus carnsl thoughts words deeds and actions. This is the most mistakes that we have to talk to them and control those sins.
Where does this put Francis of Rome? He is teaching a deferent faith along with most of the cardinals and bishop’s and priests.
Don Bosco would denounce heresy while not advocating schism.
@@donboscostories Yes, I agree. The False prophet Bergoglio(or Pope Francis) is controlled by satan. Please read the Seal Of The Living God messages given to the last prophet Maria Divine Mercy by The Holy Trinity and The Holy Mary between 2010 - 2015. The last true Pope was Benedict XIV. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be in our generation!
What a crazy revision of history. It was the Roman Church that changed the Creed. Are you seriously saying the Medici Popes where not installed due to Money and Power. Saint John Bosco was a great Saint, but to place this story as a serious explanation of the Schism is ridiculous. This dishonors both Catholicism and Saint John Bosco. By the way, did John Bosco have a cute story for the Papal Schism and why there were three Popes at the same time?
The Roman Church altered the creed *before* the schism and was entirely within its power to do so. The Orthodox have deviated here by rejecting an orthodox doctrine as a heresy. And Bosco’s point re: money wasn’t that we are free from sin and corruption; rather, that the Catholic Church on net has flourished much more than the Orthodox, who still do this day rely on the mayor of Constantinople to approve their patriarchal candidates. This doesn’t invalidate them, but it does beg the question: why did one Church colonise the world and spread the gospel to over a billion people whereas another languishes in Eastern Europe, ossified and endlessly subjugated by secular powers?
Lol 😆 is it a lying uneducated protestant or a lying uneducated eastern schismatic...
Hard to smell...I mean tell.
@@elijahh8183 In your brainwashed, ignorant mind
In real history & the real world nope.
4 catholic Popes from Rome including St.Peter in the bible ....not Constantinople.
You lose heretic schismatic liar.
Obviously the avignon papal crapstorm was a plot done by the KGB, DUH. They have official forgeries, I mean . . documents to prove it just like the donation of Constantine or the Symmachian Forgeries
Yes, there is only one church and one faith. It is the Holy Roman Catholic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. Outside of her, there is no salvation! Heresy is a grave sin!
Rome left first. your Pope excommunicated the East. Rome went West to wealthy kingdoms and their power. The East was abandoned to die at the hands of Muslims. Surprise we’re still kicking!
That gates of Hell things is the Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church, get over it. 🙏🌺☦️🌺🙏
Yeah, you rejected the papal tiara for a turban. Enjoy sneaking prayers in Hagia Sophia
Right on!
Roman Empire Christianity began In Constantinople, now suddenly Rome, Italy, has the head of the church. Ludacris.
Both are currupted tho, which is the fate of any organized church.
@@eztliThat's not true no matter what way you think on the issue. The papacy was in Rome long before Constantine moving to Constantinople and his conversion. From St Peter's execution onward and his successor as the archbishop of Rome.
What about the Filioque?
Non issue
I’ve read a lot about orthodoxy and there’s many errors they accept.
1. The papacy, obviously. Ironically this chapter has it a bit wrong: this became an objection later, it wasn’t at first. As their original objections (like azymes, beards) dissipated, this rose in prominence to justify their schism.
2. Purgatory. Now, some EO accept this, but many don’t-as like many things, their lack of magisterium makes them hard to pin down.
3. Their rejection of the beatific vision! Palamas’ essence-energies distinction leads them to grave errors here.
4. Original sin! Many EOs are orthodox on this subject, adhering to Nicea II’s acceptance of canon 110 of Carthage. But many are not.
5. Contraception and divorce. They’re very wrong here.
6. Immaculate conception. Most EOs reject this.
7. Soteriology. I lean towards Thomism which they definitely would usually reject.
8. Perhaps one of the most important: their dogmatic rejection of the Filioque, an orthodox doctrine which they are bound to uphold because of Florence.
Overall, the EOs are wrong on many subjects doctrinally. They’ve preserved their outward traditions well, but they’re internally divided and have adopted many heresies.
Papal infallibility/ Assumption of Mary / Her Immaculate Conception...ect...
@@quiricomazarin476 they accept the assumption. They call it the dormitkon
@@jebbush2527 The assumption is not just going asleep in Christ but ascending into heaven body & soul intact & sitting next to her Godly Son in heaven as his Mother Queen of heaven & having ZERO ORIGINAL SIN & BEING IMMACULATE!
So the devil is in the details & the devil says the eastern schismatics & heretics are wrong & not catholic or orthodox
@@quiricomazarin476 that’s what the dormition is…
@@jebbush2527 Yes but we understand it as we have the full truth.
Eastern man.made churches not obedient to catholic Dogma from Rome don't.
End of story.
So many historical and theological errors about the Eastern Orthodox Church.
I agree, it's so great to have clarity on this issue from St. John Bosco.
@@donboscostories The errors are Don Boscos.
So you know more than him? He backed up his faith with actual miracles and great works as you can see from a cursory glance at this channel. How many miracles have you performed? Smh.
@@donboscostories I know more than Don Bosco!
"How many miracles have you performed" Well first of all miracles happen to everyone. Pray for your grandpa, they get healed, pray for a job you get one etc etc. This is because God is all loving. Miracles even happen to non believers @donboscostories
So many lies! And you actually believe them.
It's all true
no lies, it's all true
It is incorrect I am sorry @donboscostories
Jesus only formed one church... The Catholic church.... NOT ORTHODOX PROTESTANT EVANGELIGAL OR ANY OTHER CHURCH.
THE ORTHODOOX CHURCHES BELIEVE IN THE " FILIOQUE"..... THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER ONLY AND NOT THE FATHER AND THE SON.
AND THEY ALLOW THEIR CLERGY TO MARRY.
John Bosco has it all wrong I do not know why you are continuing to perpetuate these age, old and accuracies of the Roman Catholic Church that are no longer followed and are no longer Roman catholic doctrine. This post well written by a St. at the time was accurate is now heretical.
That's impossible, you cannot have a saint that is correct in one time and heretical later on. I've never heard such balderdash. But just for the sake of argument, go ahead and prove that Saint John Bosco is a heretic, I'm waiting...
I had no idea that the Greek schism was separate from the Great Schism.
It isn’t and there’s so much more to the story….
One holy catholic and apastolic church. The west broke away, not the east.This is blasphemy. Aγιος ο Θεός, Άγιος ισχυρός, Άγιος αθάνατος, ελέησον ημάς.
right back at ya
Nope it's the other way round because for example the papacy was always accepted until y'all denied it in 1054
I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails. - St. Jerome, A.D. 396
With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal church at Rome, in which sacerdotal unity has its source. - St. Cyprian of Carthage, A.D. 251
They [the Novatian heretics] have not the succession of Peter, who hold not the chair of Peter, which they rend by wicked schism; and this, too, they do, wickedly denying that sins can be forgiven [by the sacrament of confession] even in the Church, whereas it was said to Peter: ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven’[Matt. 16:19]. - St Ambrose, A.D. 388
We exhort you in every respect, honorable brother, to heed obediently what has been written by the most blessed pope of the city of Rome, for blessed Peter, who lives and presides in his own see, provides the truth of faith to those who seek it. For we, by reason of our pursuit of peace and faith, cannot try cases on the faith without the consent of the bishop of Rome. - St. Peter Chrysologus, A.D. 449
all those you quoted were Holy Orthodox Church Saints, take an unbiased look for yourself for a change@@michaelwachira8484
@@Starkiller_1 Pope aprove same sex couples blessing. Do You think Saint Peter aprove from heaven this blasphemy?
I'm wondering about our own patriarch. What are we to do with our heretical popes who have taken over the chair and are trying to change the religion of Jesus. I wonder what John Bosco would say today.
We may not all agree with the way one Pope governs compared to others, but that doesn't mean that they are heretics.
St. Bosco was a big defender of the Pope. I think he would say love the Pope and pray for him. We also have to remember that having access to ‘everything’ the pope says and does is new. We didn't have this with previous pontiff's. Also, he is heavily scrutinized and what he says is taken out of context many times and when he clarifies it that doesn't get covered or spread in the media. Be careful, we need to love him and pray for him. The media (including some catholic media) is working for the destruction of the church (negative videos get more views than informative positive ones).
@@Cuestionate
So very true...
And you worded this beautifully!
and today we are seeing papist churches empty , just because they are "true" church
What churches have you been to? It's booming in America. At least, the FSSP churches are. Standing room only sometimes.
@@donboscostories I am Eastern Orthodox living in France.
1. I see what is going on with papa's church
2. I know very well what vatican is, and how many crimes did during the history, maybe I should remind you about?
3. The schism begun with Charlemagne, 1054 is just official yeah of becoming the biggest most powerful christian sect.
At least it's in line with St. Peter. Every sacrament the "orthodox" performs is driving its celebrants deeper into hell, provided they have sufficient knowledge that they seperated from the true church of Christ. This isn't a joke. This is heaven or hell.
And the shortcomings of the pope pale in comparison to a church that cooperated with the evils of communism that spread throughout the world and took millions of lives. Not only that, the head of your church was technically Stalin. The one now is a former KGB agent, so not much better.
You claimed the One, True, Church isn't growing. It is growing exponentially in America and I can see it with my own two eyes. But it doesn't really matter at the end of the day, if I'm wrong because it's still the true Church, despite the efforts from within and without to destroy it.
Lol let's not get started on Russia🙂
@@michaelwachira8484 And literally every other eastern European country. The only people converting to "orthodoxy" are "trad" 14 year olds living in some basement in the Midwest.
Too bad he didn’t foresee SSPX