@@EmilioReyes_97 Its a great look. The government closing down show people just how little the government does FOR us instead of TO us. We should have far more shut downs for far far longer. If we had more shut downs over spending less we wouldn't have such insane inflation we do now.
As someone who worked for the Federal Highway Administration for 34 years, "highway safety" programs, funded through the Highway Trust Fund, were never affected by the failure to pass a continuing resolution, at least the one depicted here. Just thought you'd want to know. I was never told to "go home" in 34 years because of a lapsed federal budget or lack of a CR, but most Americans have no idea why.
I like to think it was his disappointment at failing to convince CJ to support a wolf highway that caused his hatred of all things government (with the exception of Leslie Knope) 😂
Neither was bluffing, but Haffley had public opinion on his side so he felt confident to wait Bartlett out. It was only after the optics turned against him that he blinked and came back to negotiate.
It always felt like a stretch to me. WH never seemed to drill home that it was Haffley's greed and Bartlet sticking to the agreement they made. Haffley kept moving the goalpost, and as much as a shutdown sucks I'd rather slap the taste out of a Speaker's mouth and take the hit over letting a bloodsucker move the goal like that. If Haffley was engaging in good faith and couldn't honor his 1%, it's a failure of his leadership to corral his caucus and should be called out as such.
@@MinionNumber3 Yeah Republicans kept moving the goalposts and demanding to be 'met in the middle' on the new absurd demands. Bartlett standing his ground was entirely correct.
This episode is a great example of how we the American people are in a cup of tea ourselves. We love to blame more politicians for everything and God forbid they change their positions and yet we change our positions about them depending on the subject matter every single day. The public supports something… Until that happens and then they don't support it because human nature is to think differently about something that's real versus trying to project what it will be. Perfect current example of that is Kamala Harris who was pulling in the low to mid 30's, historically low for a vice president and that was 90 days ago… Now she's the parties nominee for president of United States and is a toy cars away from winning over 50% of the popular vote.
I work with a lot of contractors, they actually do get paid, because their contracts are paid in full when the deals are signed. They just can't work on government programs and have to work on other workstreams, usually internal stuff or business development
@@nghost43 There are lots of government contractors who aren’t paid just at the end of the project. They’re paid as they go because the government is funding salaried positions who were hired by the contractor. These people are at risk of not being reimbursed after the shutdown.
@@kanderson-oo7us this is correct - onsite contract staff cannot be billed to the program for their time if they cannot get onsite, therefore they are not paid by the contracting company as no money changes hands prompting a required distribution.
this is a significant problem with the American political system. If different parties control the presidency, congress and the senate then you end up with a stalemate. its absurd.
Easier. The President is one person. One face, one name, one man they can point to and say "It's HIS FAULT!" Congress is 535 people. Which one do we blame? All of them? Half of them? This group, that group? But the President is so much easier to lay blame on.
@@specialk9424 actually yes! The problem with most voters is laziness. Too lazy to read. Too lazy to form their own opinions. Too lazy to think. Members of congress are the one political group designed to represent the interests and wellbeing of specific, individual states, cities, towns. What affects individuals in Colorado, doesn’t necessarily affect the population of Virginia or North Carolina. Without term limits, the population has allowed political office to become a self-serving entity. All too often, members of congress use the phrase, “ in the interest of my constituents…,” having only met with said constituents around election time. Most Congresspersons and Senators spend more time in Washington, DC than they do in their home states. If voters actually paid attention, they would see these elected officials vote against measures and bills designed to help their states / cities / towns, and maybe the entire country. But because another party is in power, those opposite the ones in power, vote against what’s best for everyone, just to make the other side look bad. It’s grandstanding when people are hurting. There is no reason for this country to have the homeless populations we have. To have people having to decide if they can afford to eat or buy life saving medicine. Taking the easy way out is lazy. To argue that it’s easy to point the finger at one person identifies my point. While the chief executive does represent the entire country, there’s. Another body whose soul purpose is to do that at the ground levels. It’s sad that most, now, adults are neutered regarding understanding government. School lays a ground work, and it’s up to us to keep learning, which brings back to my original point, laziness.
@@TempestCrown that's not true. Social security is considered a mandatory service, it means that nothing changes during a shutdown. Everyone still gets their payments.
You guys remember when a government shutdown was a big deal, instead of every few months? Those were the days...
Theres only been 10 full shutdowns in US history though...
1980 (1 day)
1981 (1 day)
1984 (about 4 hrs.)
1986 (about 4 hrs.)
1990 (3 days)
Nov 1995 (5 days)
1995-1996 (21 days)
2013 (16 days)
Jan 2018 (3 days)
2018-19 (35 days)
Yeah 3 times in the same decade isn't a good look for us
@@EmilioReyes_97 Its a great look. The government closing down show people just how little the government does FOR us instead of TO us.
We should have far more shut downs for far far longer.
If we had more shut downs over spending less we wouldn't have such insane inflation we do now.
Still isnt a big deal
Who was President in 2016?
Steven Culp played Speaker Haffley so perfectly. Loved him in the show.
Good actor. I literally hated him.
@@dudovich13He’s done that on several roles for me. He manages to play the smug prick quite well.
@@rogersmj I saw him play Bobby Kennedy in 13 Days. He was great in that part.
@@rogersmjhe had a smug role on JAG
@@jamesscully529He was brilliant in that. He’s an awesome actor
“Not unless you want three federal agents trailing you home.”
“Do I get to pick which three?”
Donna letting the intrusive thoughts win again
Maybe Josh should have shown her that folder marked private.
I'd watch a compilation of that
Love this whole arc. Hope we see the walk to the hill and the aftermath soon ^_^
Yeah, the new team had trouble adjusting after Sorkin left, but this arc is where they found their feet.
Haffley was such a pompous blowheart. Nothing but hot air. He was a politician ahead of his time. Like they are today.
Blowhard not blowheart
And blame it on the other side!
As someone who worked for the Federal Highway Administration for 34 years, "highway safety" programs, funded through the Highway Trust Fund, were never affected by the failure to pass a continuing resolution, at least the one depicted here. Just thought you'd want to know.
I was never told to "go home" in 34 years because of a lapsed federal budget or lack of a CR, but most Americans have no idea why.
Ron Swanson’s favorite West Wing episode.
I like to think it was his disappointment at failing to convince CJ to support a wolf highway that caused his hatred of all things government (with the exception of Leslie Knope) 😂
@@Strathclydegameroh wow, I never knew that.
@@Jurgan6 he looks so much younger in the “big block of cheese day” episode, but it’s definitely him!
@@Strathclydegamer I believe there is a 10 year difference in time from his West Wing appearance to just the pilot of Parks & Rec.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think that this is my favorite episode of this show. I watch it every now and then just because...
Neither was bluffing, but Haffley had public opinion on his side so he felt confident to wait Bartlett out. It was only after the optics turned against him that he blinked and came back to negotiate.
The problem with the GOP painting the Dems as the party of big government is that Dems never get blamed for a shutdown (which is a good thing).
It always felt like a stretch to me. WH never seemed to drill home that it was Haffley's greed and Bartlet sticking to the agreement they made. Haffley kept moving the goalpost, and as much as a shutdown sucks I'd rather slap the taste out of a Speaker's mouth and take the hit over letting a bloodsucker move the goal like that. If Haffley was engaging in good faith and couldn't honor his 1%, it's a failure of his leadership to corral his caucus and should be called out as such.
@@MinionNumber3 Yeah Republicans kept moving the goalposts and demanding to be 'met in the middle' on the new absurd demands. Bartlett standing his ground was entirely correct.
Evidence? Bartlet got elected to lead!
This episode is a great example of how we the American people are in a cup of tea ourselves. We love to blame more politicians for everything and God forbid they change their positions and yet we change our positions about them depending on the subject matter every single day. The public supports something… Until that happens and then they don't support it because human nature is to think differently about something that's real versus trying to project what it will be. Perfect current example of that is Kamala Harris who was pulling in the low to mid 30's, historically low for a vice president and that was 90 days ago… Now she's the parties nominee for president of United States and is a toy cars away from winning over 50% of the popular vote.
Martin Sheen is such a class act.
I personally loved this episode.
40% of the government’s workforce are contractors who don’t get recompensed for that time off the way the employees do. It’s not a great situation.
I work with a lot of contractors, they actually do get paid, because their contracts are paid in full when the deals are signed. They just can't work on government programs and have to work on other workstreams, usually internal stuff or business development
@@nghost43 There are lots of government contractors who aren’t paid just at the end of the project. They’re paid as they go because the government is funding salaried positions who were hired by the contractor. These people are at risk of not being reimbursed after the shutdown.
40 percent of them shouldn't exist
@@nghost43 The workers at the contracting companies suffer, not the contracting companies.
@@kanderson-oo7us this is correct - onsite contract staff cannot be billed to the program for their time if they cannot get onsite, therefore they are not paid by the contracting company as no money changes hands prompting a required distribution.
All the government employees who have enough money to ride out the furlough - woohoo, time off!
So....about 10% of them, if that?
And 40% dont count as employees
His chief, always looks taken by surprise.
this is a significant problem with the American political system. If different parties control the presidency, congress and the senate then you end up with a stalemate.
its absurd.
Russell calling out the president like that was not smart.
They love to blame the executive, but its the legislative branch that plays games with the budget.
Its their job to provide the budget.
Easier. The President is one person. One face, one name, one man they can point to and say "It's HIS FAULT!" Congress is 535 people. Which one do we blame? All of them? Half of them? This group, that group? But the President is so much easier to lay blame on.
@@specialk9424 actually yes! The problem with most voters is laziness. Too lazy to read. Too lazy to form their own opinions. Too lazy to think. Members of congress are the one political group designed to represent the interests and wellbeing of specific, individual states, cities, towns. What affects individuals in Colorado, doesn’t necessarily affect the population of Virginia or North Carolina. Without term limits, the population has allowed political office to become a self-serving entity. All too often, members of congress use the phrase, “ in the interest of my constituents…,” having only met with said constituents around election time. Most Congresspersons and Senators spend more time in Washington, DC than they do in their home states. If voters actually paid attention, they would see these elected officials vote against measures and bills designed to help their states / cities / towns, and maybe the entire country. But because another party is in power, those opposite the ones in power, vote against what’s best for everyone, just to make the other side look bad. It’s grandstanding when people are hurting. There is no reason for this country to have the homeless populations we have. To have people having to decide if they can afford to eat or buy life saving medicine. Taking the easy way out is lazy. To argue that it’s easy to point the finger at one person identifies my point. While the chief executive does represent the entire country, there’s. Another body whose soul purpose is to do that at the ground levels. It’s sad that most, now, adults are neutered regarding understanding government. School lays a ground work, and it’s up to us to keep learning, which brings back to my original point, laziness.
They shut it down pretty often now, no longer treated as a crisis, although it is
If it happens enough times, people get used to it
It’s sort of weird how many real events the west wing predicted
How is this predicting? A shutdown happened in 1996 for 21 days, that was 6 years before this episode was written
the joke is the politicians still get paid while the workers do not, pathetic!
Always covering their asses
This isn’t the best show ever, but it’s perhaps the best-written one.
For my money, it is the best produced piece of dramatic TV ever produced for prime time for a network.
The CR didn't need to be passed until midnight. Donna and Margaret and all the rest could have opted to continue working until then.
Seemingly a perfect match to the #ReturdlicanSpeakers for decades.
I appreciate the drama, but both then and now a "government shutdown" shuts down very little of the government.
Nice to see a Democrat show some backbone for once.
It's actually illegal for a government employee to work during a shutdown.
Donna was a special kind of person.
Below a certain level. Donna cleared it.
Remember, the law only defines what is legal and what is illegal. It does not define what is right or wrong.
Go Irish
Nice! a sports comment, thus proving that sports can bypass politics! Hah.
Can we get one single clip that's actually West Wing and not post-Sorkin garbage time?
Cmon now, this was a great episode
Honestly very few people suffer when there's one of these shutdowns. There's such an absurd amount of useless government employees and departments.
.....every single person who attempts to do anything with Social Security, including receive payments, is unable to.
@@TempestCrown that's not true. Social security is considered a mandatory service, it means that nothing changes during a shutdown. Everyone still gets their payments.
It’s a huge problem for people who rely on government assistance programs.
@@Elizabeth-tq7qw Once again, no welfare ever gets cut during a shutdown.
Wow are you ever off the mark.