What if Diamond/Pearl and Platinum take place in two different universes: one where Candice was saved and one where she wasn't. Take her DP team: she has both a Snover and an Abomasnow, the latter being the one who saved her, but in her Platinum team we see no Snover just an Abomasnow. In the Platinum universe her ace Abomasnow never saved her ergo they never met. That's why her Platinum Abomasnow is actually her DP Snover. In a universe where she wasn't saved by a random Abomasnow, the only way for her to get one was to evolve Snover. And now her new ace is the Froslass that either she became or carried her off while she froze to death.
A froslass carring off Candices dead body doesn't really fit in with what we know about froslass. So it's more likely that she became a froslass and took up a position as gym leader while making sure people can see her as Candice, either as an adult or st the age she was when she died, possibly when she was 16.
Manaphy is a Mythical still. It also was given as an egg in the OG via Pkmn Ranger games to DPP games. It was also given out at TRU stores via mystery gift. This current Manaphy egg is gotten over wifi through mystery gift but its still 1 per event/game and still a mythical. U could get more if u have a 2nd Switch account though, but tis a dif save file. If they run another Manaphy event then u could also in theory get another in the same game/file
I would not be surprised (but would be very, very pleased) if BD/SP have a postgame event where we can catch Manaphy, Shaymin, or Darkrai. The postgame mythical is starting to become a Thing, and I am 100% on board. Still, nothing will beat the surprise Deoxys. That stands as the best postgame surprise in the series for me, so far.
Yes I would like to keep seeing more “cutting room floor” theories! I feel like I have a few of my own that just can’t seem to meet up neatly so it’s fun to hear some of yours. It also gives a glimpse into your head and it’s not as scary as I would have thought 😜
I love the manaphy theory, even though there's no evidence it just _feels_ right. Some more *incredibly* loose evidence: sendoff spring looks like the caldera of an old volcano that has been filled in by water. Where else do we see a structure like this in the Pokémon world? Sootopolis city - where kyogre slumbers. Also, Lugia (the guardian of the sea) also resides in a cave amid what may have been an old volcano. So of the three sea-themed legendaries (I think there are only three), two of them live deep within old volcanoes surrounded by water and the other (manaphy) is of unknown origin. And given that there is an old volcano filled in with water in manaphies home region (sendoff spring) it makes sense that that was/is where it lived? Idk, it's also very weak but it's something? Anyway, I absolutely loved this video and would love to see more, just the vagueness of all of these got all of the theory juices flowing in my brain, I love it!
I wonder does manaphy have anything to do with the relic castle in unova I know that the castle had to do with meloetia but I remember a pokedex entry saying that manaphy was the prince of the see and in a episode were Pikachu absorbed the blue orb in Pokemon advanced were it was able to tame groundon and It fought a manaphy was able to use kyoga to battle it so if manaphy was able to get the relic crown would it be able to evolve or had the ability to get water type Pokemon to fight for it like aqua man
Yes! Thank you for doing a little theory about the ghosts of Snowpoint! It's such a spooky, snowy town. I love how the trainer nearest Snowpoint makes a comment about there being lots of ghost stories about that area and she blames it on the snow itself making a spooky atmosphere. Love all the little ghost touches in the games.
The Candice theory may not be a theory, but there's nothing to contradict it in lore and is a story idea with good potential. It may not be a theory, but it's quite the headcanon. As for the Garchomp-Crawdaunt theory, I'd bet money that the Draconid settlement that will become Celestic Town in Legends Arceus has the Garchomp line around it..
Given that Sendoff Spring is part of that bit of land that has broken apart since the time of PAL, there could be some relation to Manaphy / Phione, because it COULD have been connected / part of the bay that leads to the ocean before the landscape shifted.
I got an idea for a Pokétheory that has very little evidence, I think I've mentioned it before. I can't remember where I read this, but there was something talking about the Arceus story, and how it hatched from a "Golden Egg" or "Egg of Ligh" or something like that. And my theory is that after hatching, Arceus gave Life to the pieces of its Egg, and That became Ultra Necrozma! Referencing the Juneau/Christian "Let There Be Light" or "And Then There Was Light"! (This would make Necrozma "The Morning Star" and its associated Biblical Character, if you know what I mean) Then Arceus used the Light Energy to create Palkia, Dialga, & Giratina (that part only makes sense because at the time I thought of it I was watching MattPatt's old Dr. Strange Theory) but basically Arceus did something that caused Necrozma to loose power, Necrozma fled, and as it flew, released more energy, eventually releasing enough to create Ultra Wormholes! And finally, this last part references Lockstin's old Let's Go Theory. The Big Bang Diagram that shows Necrozma's Prism; maybe instead of loosing control of its power if you don't catch it and exploding, Necrozma challenges Arceus, they destroy each other, turn back into thr Egg, and it all starts over again!!! ... yeah this theory doesn't have much going for it, it relies too much on other people's Theories, and I can't even remember where I read about the Egg being "Gold"! So yeah, very little evidence... but it's Cool!!?! 😅
Well, considering all of the other weird illusions Ghost-types can canonically create (according to the Anime, at least), a Froslass creating the illusion of an ice type Gym Leader doesn't really sound that farfetched, imo...
I just bought a switch lite a few minutes ago. The release of the gen 4 remake era is going to be the first time, for me, that I get to play pokemon as it releases, and enjoy the community aspect of the game. Due to financial reasons and life reasons (moving internationally several times), I was always late to the party. To put things in perspective, I have been playing since gen 1 (chose Bulbasaur on a PC emulator, as we couldn't afford a gameboy). I also bought some cards do build a few decks that use pokemon I like. My love for pokemon never really went away, but Toby did inspire me to become more involved with it recently. Thank you for that Toby, I am very grateful.
Great vid Toby, love the concept. Have been watching a lot of yours recently because I have been thinking a lot about Pokemon. Currently replaying White for the first time. Bought the Charmander shirt with your discount! Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Got nothing for the latter two theories but perhaps the woman who gives you the spell tag (let's just be honest, she was probably a Froslass) was actually a relative of Candice. Like you said, Candice got lost in the snowy area west of Snowpoint City, so it's likely that she would have had to walk to and from there from another area, perhaps the house/shack from which we obtain the spell tag. Also, as you said Candice keeps a Froslass on her team. Probably her relative, keeping her close in an effort for Candice to keep her close. Lastly, and I know this is very frail point as the woman in the house/shack just uses a generic sprite, but they do both share a darker hair colour.
I would be curious if possible you looking up some theories that legit have so little evidence it is a stretch to even connect anything (at least your 3 had tiny bits that could maybe make tiny bit of sense) One disproven "theory" i had in the days of X and Y was thinking we would get "HM Ride" and be able to ride mons like Skiddo and Gogoat anywhere :P
The final theory is really cool, I love when pokemon brings in more zoology and natural phenomena into their mons characteristics, it just gives them that hint of realism man
I have a theory about the Pokémon Series in general and it explores the possibility of the events of Orre explaining exactly HOW Pokemon are stolen from Trainers by force, but, using a KEY DEVICE made by Team Snagem/ Professor Krane and used by the protags of both Colosseum and Gale Of Darkness. I don't know how much water it holds, but, here's MY theory. How ARE Pokémon stolen from trainers exactly? In Gale Of Darkness, Wakin has his Gloom use Sleep Powder on Michael to steal the Snag Machine, which is the first time in the game universe we see Pokémon outright ATTACKING a human by its trainer's command. But, it's only implied that Pokémon are stolen from trainers. The Anime is a completely DIFFERENT UNIVERSE. We don't count it! But, Colosseum may have a definitive answer: The Snag Machine that Team Snagem developed. It's made to steal Pokémon from their trainers. Yes, in the laws of the game, you're only allowed to steal Shadow Pokémon from trainers, but, consider the following: how are Pokémon being stolen from trainers and why do they obey the villains? The Answer: Team Snagem was developing Pokémon Stealing technology and selling it in mass to these teams: They are SNAGGING Pokémon, brainwashing them to obey NEW commands! That's why Wes betrays Team Snagem in the first place! He was working undercover with them while blending in until he was able to make a safe get away. Sure, the snag machine technology is never mentioned BEFORE Colosseum or AFTER Gale Of Darkness, but, why would it be mentioned, being a one-off thing only seen in two games? There's my theory. Is this a good theory?
I have been wondering, when someone would explore three, crazy theories about diamond and pearl. It's about time, someone explored these three. I really would like to see more videos like this one, because it helps explain the weird things that show up, in the games.
The fact that the sendoff spring is one of the legendary lakes of sinnoh and that's where giratina opens the portal back from the distortion world is very interesting and could tie into the manaphy theory. Giratina was made to represent antimatter and was banished from the regular world for vague reasons involving violence. Perhaps manaphy and giratina were once lake guardians. Giratina perhaps represented the other side of the human mind, our bad qualities. These are the opposite of what the lake trio was made to represent (thus being antimatter, the opposite of the matter that the creation trio governed) but they're still a part of our personality. When giratina was banished, perhaps because it tried to overcome the rest of the trio, it still remained closest to the lake it once remained in. Manaphy's heart swap lets the person affected step into someone else's shoes and understand them. If manaphy truly does roam the ocean that surrounds the sinnoh region, perhaps this represents that Arceus wants compassion and understanding to encompass what the sinnoh people do. I don't think this is the developers intention but it's fun to think about.
A way to make the Crawdaunt - Garchomp theory work is saying that as Sinnoh was inhabited, Gible were slowly driven into caves and the underground because, let’s be honest, Garchomps are terrifyingly strong and hungry. So, Crawdaunt just adapted the Star from Garchomp when Celestic town didn’t exist. When the area was inhabited, Gible were chased out while Corvish were kept around for food and because they were pretty harmless.
My recent theory that probably isn't true but it's fun to think about: Spiritomb was a Basculegion that got too rowdy. We know both are formed from an amalgamation of souls, Basculegion gets stronger the more souls are in it, and Spiritomb is comprised of over a thousand souls bound together. It's possible a very big school of Basculin met a tragic fate with one survivor, or worse, a Basculegion started hunting Basculin schools and recruiting the spirits into itself. Either way, once formed the Basculegion in question started to cause problems and the local community made the decision to put it down as best they could, by sealing it into a keystone where it eventually corrupted into Spiritomb (and as you can get multiple odd keystones in the games, it may have happened more than once). It's plausible, especially since the hallowed tower is right next to a river, but unless it's confirmed outright I would imagine the similar origins are a coincidence.
I never realized Manaphy was kinda like an upside down lake guardian, it's two head tentacle things look like the lake Mon's twin tails and then the gem is on the opposite side of the body as well, even if these theories lack evidence they give you fun stuff to think about so it's worth making vids of them imo.
I've had a pretty big Pokemon theory sitting on the shelf for YEARS that I've considered sharing with you to get it out there and have some production value.... Or save it for my own theoretical RUclips debut with zero editing. Life is full of tough choices. :(
Yea this was a pretty fun video, maybe not like too frequently but maybe like once a month or something? Idk how many of these half complete theories you have Toby so idk but I liked this a lot
I'd like to point out something about Manaphy that is completely unrelated to the theory, but because you brought up the little sprite I'm going to say it anyway: I love how BDSP are handling Manaphy! You get the Egg via Distribution (With No Pokemon Ranger on Switch it's the only other Option) and you have to carry around the Egg until it hatches, We actually have to earn a Mythical pokemon for a change! This is what I've been wanting for years and I'm taking it as a sign that Mythical Battles against the Likes of Shaymin and Darkrai will be in BDSP!
Yes, Toby! Unlikely Pokemon theories are great! It's interesting to see alternate realities and what could be true, given just a little bit more evidence!
This was a really fun video. I really like the Candice idea even thought it doesn't have just enough evidence lol I'd totally like to see more videos like this about other regions
Phione existing always seemed pretty weird to me, like why let us breed a legendary only for the offspring to simply be a near identical but much weaker version of it, the idea of that secretly having a story purpose and Team Galactic breeding a bunch of Phiones for red chain experiments is so disturbing but kind of awesome
I don't think that's how Candice's name was pronounced. What I remember in anime, how her name was pronounced, was pronounced as "Candy" with "S" in the end (Not like a lot of candies, but as "Candis"), not "Cand"-"ice". Of course, it may be that she has been pronounced differently in English version of Anime, although it makes no sense when Candice is England version of her name. 7:56 Uxie's "U" is pronounced with an English U, not a Finnish U.
I like the idea of more vids like this :) There may not be much evidence but they're fun ideas and I feel like they could spark even more ideas, and other people may be able to bring their own evidence to the table if there's anything you happened to miss that someone else noticed ^^
My favorite Sinnoh theory that doesn't have much evidence is that Rowan was the one Darkrai was waiting for. Ages are always kind of estimated with characters in the Pokemon universe with very few exceptions. Rowan is one of those as early on he tells you he's about 60 years old. And it's kind of weird how unlike most of the other professors, he's very reluctant to send the player on a journey and even seems worried how if he gives you a Starter, there's no telling what will happen to you and your rival other than having the world opened to them. Possibly he's had some bad experience of his own. Enter the hotel event. We find out that the hotel has been abandoned for decades and hints something really bad happened there that caused it to close. It also says the key card you get from the event is dated for 50 years ago. Why is that important? Because if it had belonged to Rowan, he would have been 10yo at the time, the same as most kids when starting out. The man or ghost or nightmare creation says they've been waiting for you before sending the player to face Darkrai. Which could just be spooky talk, could just be recognizing the card, or its because by the time of the event they've gotten very close with and maybe bears a similar scent or aura that Darkrai was waiting to return. But as I said, it's a lot of speculation that only really has the dates going for it. But still fun. I rather enjoyed this video and would love to hear more "outlandish" ideas since even if there's not enough to prove anything, it's always fun to you with.
Sinnoh's caves and underground mines could have more interconnectivity than we know. Maybe the Gible of Wayward cave have in the past been in Celestic's cave where the shrine was placed.
But what is the ocean if not one really big world lake? XP the whole heart swap thing could be a means of understanding others where the three lake sprites seem to be more related to understanding the self. Manaphy is the heart of the sea, hence its gem being located on its chest. It is also super special in that Manaphy can only occur under very specific conditions in the ocean. If it breeds anywhere else it just becomes phione. So what if there's an ocean trio? Or even a 7 seas kind of group of pokemon? What if manaphy bred at a lake instead of the ocean? Does fresh or salt water affect the egg/pokemon?
I’m hoping that the bdsp post game is as good as the delta episode (if they do have a post game that is) and I also have hopes that it will dive deeper into the lore of giratina and darkrai since they are two of my favourite Pokemon
I like the idea of Corphish and Crawdaunt having originated from Sinnoh. Perhaps, we'll learn that they came from Sinnoh when it was previously known as the Hisui region. Maybe we'll get to see a Hisuian variant of Corphish and/or Crawdaunt? That, or these Water types came from some other region that we have yet to explore, whether that be a game set in the present or in a future Legends [insert name of legendary Pokémon here] game.
I know you said that these don't have a lot of evidence to back them up, but if you never said that the theories don't make sense and just spoke about them as if they were backed up I would have 100% believed you, you convinced me over the course of this video
These are all definitely a part of my head-canon now and nothing you say can stop me
I have nothing to contribute but I still wanted to comment
I wish I could
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@@subparbanana1481 it surprisingly how many are out there.
It’s interesting that Manaphy has seemingly more in common with Kyogre than with Lake Trio
Of course. Manaphy outranks Kyogre in a hierarchical sense.
Manaphy has no relation to the lake trio though...by default it has more in common with kyogre being a water type
I think Toby is trying to tell us he's actually a Ghost.
Toby wouldn't try to tubtly imply such a thing
@@BirdKeeperToby oh I thought I’d have a fellow ghost type here
@@Buby39 it,s probably tramataising past when you where a baskulen i fot you were gona cry
@@obnoxiosefe2180 the secret my friend is lots and lots of therapy
@@Buby39 Lucky you
What if Diamond/Pearl and Platinum take place in two different universes: one where Candice was saved and one where she wasn't. Take her DP team: she has both a Snover and an Abomasnow, the latter being the one who saved her, but in her Platinum team we see no Snover just an Abomasnow. In the Platinum universe her ace Abomasnow never saved her ergo they never met. That's why her Platinum Abomasnow is actually her DP Snover. In a universe where she wasn't saved by a random Abomasnow, the only way for her to get one was to evolve Snover. And now her new ace is the Froslass that either she became or carried her off while she froze to death.
A froslass carring off Candices dead body doesn't really fit in with what we know about froslass. So it's more likely that she became a froslass and took up a position as gym leader while making sure people can see her as Candice, either as an adult or st the age she was when she died, possibly when she was 16.
"Now that I've lowered the bar, let's go lower!", good policy there!
I’m so glad that Manaphy will be accessible instead of being a myth because of the @one per hard-copy,” era.
Manaphy is a Mythical still. It also was given as an egg in the OG via Pkmn Ranger games to DPP games. It was also given out at TRU stores via mystery gift. This current Manaphy egg is gotten over wifi through mystery gift but its still 1 per event/game and still a mythical. U could get more if u have a 2nd Switch account though, but tis a dif save file. If they run another Manaphy event then u could also in theory get another in the same game/file
I would not be surprised (but would be very, very pleased) if BD/SP have a postgame event where we can catch Manaphy, Shaymin, or Darkrai. The postgame mythical is starting to become a Thing, and I am 100% on board.
Still, nothing will beat the surprise Deoxys. That stands as the best postgame surprise in the series for me, so far.
You still only get one in Legends Arceus.
Yes I would like to keep seeing more “cutting room floor” theories! I feel like I have a few of my own that just can’t seem to meet up neatly so it’s fun to hear some of yours. It also gives a glimpse into your head and it’s not as scary as I would have thought 😜
I think your Candice idea was a pretty fun one! And I'd totally be down to see more of these types of videos!
I get that Candice is an Ice type Gym Leader, but you don't actually pronounce the "ice" in her name as "ice". It's just pronounced "candiss" lol
I bet he's trying to avoid the Candice meme
@@harshal1153 who is candice?
So that he doesn’t fall for the Candice bait
@@Myu6161 Candice Balls
@@Myu6161 hehehehe
More of this please 😋. Theories are always my favorite part.
I love the manaphy theory, even though there's no evidence it just _feels_ right. Some more *incredibly* loose evidence: sendoff spring looks like the caldera of an old volcano that has been filled in by water. Where else do we see a structure like this in the Pokémon world? Sootopolis city - where kyogre slumbers. Also, Lugia (the guardian of the sea) also resides in a cave amid what may have been an old volcano. So of the three sea-themed legendaries (I think there are only three), two of them live deep within old volcanoes surrounded by water and the other (manaphy) is of unknown origin. And given that there is an old volcano filled in with water in manaphies home region (sendoff spring) it makes sense that that was/is where it lived? Idk, it's also very weak but it's something?
Anyway, I absolutely loved this video and would love to see more, just the vagueness of all of these got all of the theory juices flowing in my brain, I love it!
"I would want to be Cynthia's Garchomp." ~ Bird Keeper Toby, 2021
Sure, I'd love to see more theories along this vein.
I wonder does manaphy have anything to do with the relic castle in unova I know that the castle had to do with meloetia but I remember a pokedex entry saying that manaphy was the prince of the see and in a episode were Pikachu absorbed the blue orb in Pokemon advanced were it was able to tame groundon and It fought a manaphy was able to use kyoga to battle it so if manaphy was able to get the relic crown would it be able to evolve or had the ability to get water type Pokemon to fight for it like aqua man
There's no pokedex entry saying it's the prince of the sea or anything similar (also wouldn't princess make more sense considering it can lay eggs?)
@@idunno_ it's called the prince of the sea in the movie about it.
@@silverkyrie4714 that's one of the only pokemon movies I haven't seen so I didn't know that
Yes! Thank you for doing a little theory about the ghosts of Snowpoint! It's such a spooky, snowy town. I love how the trainer nearest Snowpoint makes a comment about there being lots of ghost stories about that area and she blames it on the snow itself making a spooky atmosphere. Love all the little ghost touches in the games.
The Candice theory may not be a theory, but there's nothing to contradict it in lore and is a story idea with good potential. It may not be a theory, but it's quite the headcanon.
As for the Garchomp-Crawdaunt theory, I'd bet money that the Draconid settlement that will become Celestic Town in Legends Arceus has the Garchomp line around it..
I'm so hyped for the post game of BDSP
I love how quickly it becomes "This is very weak" lol, great stuff
Given that Sendoff Spring is part of that bit of land that has broken apart since the time of PAL, there could be some relation to Manaphy / Phione, because it COULD have been connected / part of the bay that leads to the ocean before the landscape shifted.
Unown > Wynaut > Wobbuffet
Unown > Natu > Xatu
Unown > Sigilyph
Unown || Arceus
How do all of these Pokémon relate to each other?...
Yes, i would love more videos like this, I don't see many RUclipsrs talking about stuff like this.
I would love to see a pre industrial world Rotom. Maybe its smaller and less "energetic".
Maybe it hides in the shadows waiting for thunder storms.
I got an idea for a Pokétheory that has very little evidence, I think I've mentioned it before.
I can't remember where I read this, but there was something talking about the Arceus story, and how it hatched from a "Golden Egg" or "Egg of Ligh" or something like that. And my theory is that after hatching, Arceus gave Life to the pieces of its Egg, and That became Ultra Necrozma! Referencing the Juneau/Christian "Let There Be Light" or "And Then There Was Light"!
(This would make Necrozma "The Morning Star" and its associated Biblical Character, if you know what I mean)
Then Arceus used the Light Energy to create Palkia, Dialga, & Giratina (that part only makes sense because at the time I thought of it I was watching MattPatt's old Dr. Strange Theory) but basically Arceus did something that caused Necrozma to loose power, Necrozma fled, and as it flew, released more energy, eventually releasing enough to create Ultra Wormholes!
And finally, this last part references Lockstin's old Let's Go Theory. The Big Bang Diagram that shows Necrozma's Prism; maybe instead of loosing control of its power if you don't catch it and exploding, Necrozma challenges Arceus, they destroy each other, turn back into thr Egg, and it all starts over again!!!
... yeah this theory doesn't have much going for it, it relies too much on other people's Theories, and I can't even remember where I read about the Egg being "Gold"!
So yeah, very little evidence... but it's Cool!!?! 😅
I always assumed Mew was the fourth sibling of the Lake Trio, since it looks like them minus a head crest.
Well, considering all of the other weird illusions Ghost-types can canonically create (according to the Anime, at least), a Froslass creating the illusion of an ice type Gym Leader doesn't really sound that farfetched, imo...
You could have made a Farfetch'd pun...
This was amazing I loved it😍 please do more of them
Definitely would enjoy seeing more of these! It's fun seeing these as sort of "proto" theories
Time for Toby to launch a literary channel where he covers topics like the top ten ghosts in Shakespeare's oeuvre.
More theories please! This was such an awesome video!
I just bought a switch lite a few minutes ago. The release of the gen 4
remake era is going to be the first time, for me, that I get to play
pokemon as it releases, and enjoy the community aspect of the game. Due
to financial reasons and life reasons (moving internationally several
times), I was always late to the party. To put things in perspective, I
have been playing since gen 1 (chose Bulbasaur on a PC emulator, as we
couldn't afford a gameboy). I also bought some cards do build a few
decks that use pokemon I like. My love for pokemon never really went
away, but Toby did inspire me to become more involved with it recently.
Thank you for that Toby, I am very grateful.
Great vid Toby, love the concept. Have been watching a lot of yours recently because I have been thinking a lot about Pokemon. Currently replaying White for the first time. Bought the Charmander shirt with your discount! Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Got nothing for the latter two theories but perhaps the woman who gives you the spell tag (let's just be honest, she was probably a Froslass) was actually a relative of Candice. Like you said, Candice got lost in the snowy area west of Snowpoint City, so it's likely that she would have had to walk to and from there from another area, perhaps the house/shack from which we obtain the spell tag. Also, as you said Candice keeps a Froslass on her team. Probably her relative, keeping her close in an effort for Candice to keep her close. Lastly, and I know this is very frail point as the woman in the house/shack just uses a generic sprite, but they do both share a darker hair colour.
Theory: Toby is a ghost. /j
But honestly these theories are better than I could come up with.
(Edit: typo)
I have a theory that could be a long shot. The Darkest Day From Galar is entwined with the Hisui region becoming Sinnoh.
Loved the video. I hope you do make more of these.
I really like the third theory. I also never even heard about the similarities between Garchomp and Sharpedo.
I would be curious if possible you looking up some theories that legit have so little evidence it is a stretch to even connect anything (at least your 3 had tiny bits that could maybe make tiny bit of sense)
One disproven "theory" i had in the days of X and Y was thinking we would get "HM Ride" and be able to ride mons like Skiddo and Gogoat anywhere :P
YES do more i LOVE random thought processes their the most fun and interesting
The final theory is really cool, I love when pokemon brings in more zoology and natural phenomena into their mons characteristics, it just gives them that hint of realism man
That thing just happened where you asked me for a theory and I instantly forgot all the theories I've ever had!
But yes, more of this please :)
I have a theory about the Pokémon Series in general and it explores the possibility of the events of Orre explaining exactly HOW Pokemon are stolen from Trainers by force, but, using a KEY DEVICE made by Team Snagem/ Professor Krane and used by the protags of both Colosseum and Gale Of Darkness. I don't know how much water it holds, but, here's MY theory.
How ARE Pokémon stolen from trainers exactly? In Gale Of Darkness, Wakin has his Gloom use Sleep Powder on Michael to steal the Snag Machine, which is the first time in the game universe we see Pokémon outright ATTACKING a human by its trainer's command. But, it's only implied that Pokémon are stolen from trainers. The Anime is a completely DIFFERENT UNIVERSE. We don't count it! But, Colosseum may have a definitive answer: The Snag Machine that Team Snagem developed. It's made to steal Pokémon from their trainers. Yes, in the laws of the game, you're only allowed to steal Shadow Pokémon from trainers, but, consider the following: how are Pokémon being stolen from trainers and why do they obey the villains? The Answer: Team Snagem was developing Pokémon Stealing technology and selling it in mass to these teams: They are SNAGGING Pokémon, brainwashing them to obey NEW commands! That's why Wes betrays Team Snagem in the first place! He was working undercover with them while blending in until he was able to make a safe get away. Sure, the snag machine technology is never mentioned BEFORE Colosseum or AFTER Gale Of Darkness, but, why would it be mentioned, being a one-off thing only seen in two games?
There's my theory. Is this a good theory?
I'd love to see more of these. They're just as interesting as your more feasible theories!
i really like this, it’s fun! i hope to see more:)))
Your videos always make my day, I hope you keep up the good work!
I love Pokémon theories no matter what they are, definitely enjoyed the video and thinking about new ways to look at my favorite games of all time
My first thought when you said Candice was a ghost was "because she doesn't feel cold wearing that outfit in a winter area?" lol.
Another fantastic video 👏👏👏👏 I can see these theories being revisited someday and more of the pokemon world gets revealed
I actually like the last one about Corphish because I love Corphish.
I’ve missed the lore theories! We’ve been getting so many story theories
I have been wondering, when someone would explore three, crazy theories about diamond and pearl. It's about time, someone explored these three. I really would like to see more videos like this one, because it helps explain the weird things that show up, in the games.
how have i never noticed how similar manaphy and the lake trio are?
The fact that the sendoff spring is one of the legendary lakes of sinnoh and that's where giratina opens the portal back from the distortion world is very interesting and could tie into the manaphy theory. Giratina was made to represent antimatter and was banished from the regular world for vague reasons involving violence. Perhaps manaphy and giratina were once lake guardians. Giratina perhaps represented the other side of the human mind, our bad qualities. These are the opposite of what the lake trio was made to represent (thus being antimatter, the opposite of the matter that the creation trio governed) but they're still a part of our personality. When giratina was banished, perhaps because it tried to overcome the rest of the trio, it still remained closest to the lake it once remained in. Manaphy's heart swap lets the person affected step into someone else's shoes and understand them. If manaphy truly does roam the ocean that surrounds the sinnoh region, perhaps this represents that Arceus wants compassion and understanding to encompass what the sinnoh people do.
I don't think this is the developers intention but it's fun to think about.
I like these speculative theories great video toby
Never heard of the ghost thing but it’s cool someone paid attention enough to notice the similarities.
"You have low standards for evidence" If the evidence you need for a theory is lower than Toby's, you got problems...
"Canned Ice?"
A way to make the Crawdaunt - Garchomp theory work is saying that as Sinnoh was inhabited, Gible were slowly driven into caves and the underground because, let’s be honest, Garchomps are terrifyingly strong and hungry. So, Crawdaunt just adapted the Star from Garchomp when Celestic town didn’t exist. When the area was inhabited, Gible were chased out while Corvish were kept around for food and because they were pretty harmless.
My recent theory that probably isn't true but it's fun to think about: Spiritomb was a Basculegion that got too rowdy.
We know both are formed from an amalgamation of souls, Basculegion gets stronger the more souls are in it, and Spiritomb is comprised of over a thousand souls bound together. It's possible a very big school of Basculin met a tragic fate with one survivor, or worse, a Basculegion started hunting Basculin schools and recruiting the spirits into itself. Either way, once formed the Basculegion in question started to cause problems and the local community made the decision to put it down as best they could, by sealing it into a keystone where it eventually corrupted into Spiritomb (and as you can get multiple odd keystones in the games, it may have happened more than once). It's plausible, especially since the hallowed tower is right next to a river, but unless it's confirmed outright I would imagine the similar origins are a coincidence.
I never realized Manaphy was kinda like an upside down lake guardian, it's two head tentacle things look like the lake Mon's twin tails and then the gem is on the opposite side of the body as well, even if these theories lack evidence they give you fun stuff to think about so it's worth making vids of them imo.
Actually nice video idea, please more of that!
I've had a pretty big Pokemon theory sitting on the shelf for YEARS that I've considered sharing with you to get it out there and have some production value....
Or save it for my own theoretical RUclips debut with zero editing.
Life is full of tough choices. :(
Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl are either gonna have an amazing post game, or a pretty bad post game, and I'm not sure which it'll be.
I'd love to hear more of these.
Yea this was a pretty fun video, maybe not like too frequently but maybe like once a month or something? Idk how many of these half complete theories you have Toby so idk but I liked this a lot
These theories are awesome and they deserve love
Please do more Pokémon theory videos like this, they are so good!
love it. who needs sense when you're having fun
Love this concept, more please!
I'd like to point out something about Manaphy that is completely unrelated to the theory, but because you brought up the little sprite I'm going to say it anyway: I love how BDSP are handling Manaphy! You get the Egg via Distribution (With No Pokemon Ranger on Switch it's the only other Option) and you have to carry around the Egg until it hatches, We actually have to earn a Mythical pokemon for a change! This is what I've been wanting for years and I'm taking it as a sign that Mythical Battles against the Likes of Shaymin and Darkrai will be in BDSP!
Yes, Toby! Unlikely Pokemon theories are great! It's interesting to see alternate realities and what could be true, given just a little bit more evidence!
This was a really fun video. I really like the Candice idea even thought it doesn't have just enough evidence lol I'd totally like to see more videos like this about other regions
Thank you so much for making videos
Maybe Manaphy and Phione represent Perspective.
All of these theories are surprising not as illogical as I expected. They sound pretty solid for at least half way through.
Phione existing always seemed pretty weird to me, like why let us breed a legendary only for the offspring to simply be a near identical but much weaker version of it, the idea of that secretly having a story purpose and Team Galactic breeding a bunch of Phiones for red chain experiments is so disturbing but kind of awesome
I don't think that's how Candice's name was pronounced. What I remember in anime, how her name was pronounced, was pronounced as "Candy" with "S" in the end (Not like a lot of candies, but as "Candis"), not "Cand"-"ice". Of course, it may be that she has been pronounced differently in English version of Anime, although it makes no sense when Candice is England version of her name.
7:56 Uxie's "U" is pronounced with an English U, not a Finnish U.
I like the idea of more vids like this :) There may not be much evidence but they're fun ideas and I feel like they could spark even more ideas, and other people may be able to bring their own evidence to the table if there's anything you happened to miss that someone else noticed ^^
7:21 I just wanted to point out that when you turn Manaphy upside down, it looks similar to Azelf.
My favorite Sinnoh theory that doesn't have much evidence is that Rowan was the one Darkrai was waiting for. Ages are always kind of estimated with characters in the Pokemon universe with very few exceptions. Rowan is one of those as early on he tells you he's about 60 years old. And it's kind of weird how unlike most of the other professors, he's very reluctant to send the player on a journey and even seems worried how if he gives you a Starter, there's no telling what will happen to you and your rival other than having the world opened to them. Possibly he's had some bad experience of his own.
Enter the hotel event. We find out that the hotel has been abandoned for decades and hints something really bad happened there that caused it to close. It also says the key card you get from the event is dated for 50 years ago. Why is that important? Because if it had belonged to Rowan, he would have been 10yo at the time, the same as most kids when starting out. The man or ghost or nightmare creation says they've been waiting for you before sending the player to face Darkrai. Which could just be spooky talk, could just be recognizing the card, or its because by the time of the event they've gotten very close with and maybe bears a similar scent or aura that Darkrai was waiting to return.
But as I said, it's a lot of speculation that only really has the dates going for it. But still fun.
I rather enjoyed this video and would love to hear more "outlandish" ideas since even if there's not enough to prove anything, it's always fun to you with.
Toby the Zavvi link isnt working for me
Now why would Canned Ice be a ghost?? And how’d it get into the can?? 🤔
This comment lmaoo why is he pronouncing it like that
The crazy theories keep the fandom alive. Change my mind
Sinnoh's caves and underground mines could have more interconnectivity than we know. Maybe the Gible of Wayward cave have in the past been in Celestic's cave where the shrine was placed.
I loved seeing these theories. Not all theories have to be based on evidence, sometimes they can be just filling the gaps with headcanons.
"She's dead!" - "Such a fun idea!" - Birdkeeper Toby - 2021
I actually learned a lot of fun facts by watching this honestly
I was replaying pokemon platinum and I found a shiny Hoothoot, who I just had to name Toby.
Nice theories!!!
That's crazy... but I LIKE IT!
I think an important character being a ghost like Candice tho is super fun
This is pretty good for a laugh, plus some interesting thoughts!
The thing about Candice, even if it is a stretch, i think the lore is meant to be taken that way. Like all of that area and the pokemon. Well done :)
Wow nice use of Hoops and Hip Hop remix in this video Bird Keeper Toby
After some light research (AKA using Bulbapedia), the only location that Gible and Corphish share is the Safari Zone in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.
I think a video on theories that are not quite plausible would be fun!! It would get people thinking and maybe get crafted into a plausible theory!
But what is the ocean if not one really big world lake? XP the whole heart swap thing could be a means of understanding others where the three lake sprites seem to be more related to understanding the self. Manaphy is the heart of the sea, hence its gem being located on its chest.
It is also super special in that Manaphy can only occur under very specific conditions in the ocean. If it breeds anywhere else it just becomes phione. So what if there's an ocean trio? Or even a 7 seas kind of group of pokemon? What if manaphy bred at a lake instead of the ocean? Does fresh or salt water affect the egg/pokemon?
I’m hoping that the bdsp post game is as good as the delta episode (if they do have a post game that is) and I also have hopes that it will dive deeper into the lore of giratina and darkrai since they are two of my favourite Pokemon
Toby wants to be Cynthia's Garchomp confirmed
I like the idea of Corphish and Crawdaunt having originated from Sinnoh. Perhaps, we'll learn that they came from Sinnoh when it was previously known as the Hisui region. Maybe we'll get to see a Hisuian variant of Corphish and/or Crawdaunt?
That, or these Water types came from some other region that we have yet to explore, whether that be a game set in the present or in a future Legends [insert name of legendary Pokémon here] game.
The Manaphy theory seems like it could potentially be explored further in BDSP, but I think all 3 are pretty cool theories
I know you said that these don't have a lot of evidence to back them up, but if you never said that the theories don't make sense and just spoke about them as if they were backed up I would have 100% believed you, you convinced me over the course of this video