Both Leydybug and Strawbrary stream Hollow Knight and other games regularly throughout the week. Give their channels a follow! Leydybug: www.twitch.tv/leydybug Strawbrary: www.twitch.tv/strawbrary
112 would be a logical nightmare of routing and forgotten mask shards but the idea of true ending white palace speedrunning while building up offensive power passively would be amazing
@@IronLucario2012 Almost certainly! When you do project management for big projects you often have to make a gantt chart (basically a graphical way to show task dependancies) you can add more and more workers but you will always have a "critical path" of tasks that rely on each other to get done eg A relies on B and C, B anc C both rely on D, D relies on E so your path might be E -> D -> (B or C) -> A, since B and C can be overlapped but A requires both so the minimum time depends on which of the two is longer (sorry if this is confusing, it's a bit hard to explain with just text) It would be interesting to see how far you can push it though since theoretically you're mostly limited by skill checks and boss checks but the actual boss fights and travel time between can be overlapped if you have enough people to get around...
@@Imperial_Squid Well I'd say in theory three primary runners who's goals are to do the main route as fast as possible up to Claw, then split to go for the three Watchers. Additional runners with the goals of grinding for Lumafly Lantern, extra combat abilities, a soul vessel, enough notches for an extra charm and maybe Dream Gate, some of these goals could likely be combined. Finally someone to just wait at HK
@@erebusvonmori8050 Yeah that's my working theory as well but you could go even further, rather than have three go for claw and then go off to the dreamers, you could have a few go for claw but then a different three get as close to the dreamers as they can before they hit a claw check, that way you cut down on travel time between claw and the claw check. So long as you don't mind having a lot of people get to a place and wait for a check to be done by someone else I think the fastest route is going to have an insanely high number of people doing it... Unfortunately, I don't think this number is knowable without an insane amount of testing and training tbh since the fastest route is going to change every time you add a new person until you hit that ceiling...
I dont comment much but I genuinely get really hyped when I see a new co-op Hollow Knight video posted by you. I sometimes make it to streams but not often due to timezones. But i really enjoy nice this little community is and i enjoy the diversity of ideas you have for the game. Ill surely be tuning in time and time again 😊
Ever consider doing a hit-list type speedrun? Such as, fastest time to kill certain bosses? Gives you a reason to traverse more of the game if you have to kill targets like Hive Knight and Nosk.
Not sure about ones for specific bosses, but there is one called Pantheon Boss Order%, where you have to defeat the Hollow Knight bosses in the order they appear in Godhome: for example, you can't kill False Knight until you defeat Vengefly King first, and you have to somehow get to Massive Moss Charger without cloak so you can defeat it before Hornet 1, etc. Oh, and yes, the last two bosses are Hollow Knight and Radiance, instead of PV and Absarad.
This was so cool! I wonder if potentially Strawbrary could pick up shade soul or howling wraiths while waiting for Fire and Ledy? I think Nail1 would be a bad idea since THK scales and would just gain health iirc. But the routing options are endless!
this is so cool, while its unlikely id love to see the conceptual peak performance, like having people who are waiting hitting soul totems for the others at opportune moment to allow spell spamming. i also imagine that the first upgrade for nail could be grabbed in the down time of waiting for the third dreamer. but either way this is really cool and id love to see more of this, be it pushing this route to its peak, doing it with different/more people or just different categories
This is awesome. If they ever add that category to speedruns I would love to see the different optimisations. For you 3's runs though the only thing I can think of is strawbrary going to camp soul statues to refill you and Leydybug's soul meters when you are running low for e.g during the Uumuu fight.
I did an speedrun on hollow knight and i was able to get a time of 2 hours and 28 minutes without any glitches and also with 25% Edit:ok i didn't actually expect to get this many likes lol but thank you
I've always enjoyed the multiplayer videos, but this is what I've wanted to see since I saw the very first HKMP video from you. This kind of speedrun is so cool and so different from anything else
I have a route suggestion that could maybe reduce the time wasted waiting for progression from other runners. The most crucial part seems to be the dive/c-dash/monomon progression chain. Regarding that, rather than the person that got dive to then go to peaks for c-dash, it probably would be better if the person who got dream-nail, rather than doing lurien, just openned king’s, stagged to crossroads and went to the peaks dive entrance. That way you can enter peaks right after getting dive, shaving from c-dash the time needed to exit sanctum. Then, paralel to c-dash/monomon, the runner who got dive would stag to king’s and do lurien.
It seems really interesting to have multiple players in an any percent speedrun. It’d be fun to see what it’d be like in multiple different speedrun categories.
I love challenges like these. It doesn't make the game too much easier, doesn't make it too much harder, it's good for just hangin out with friends or fellow streamers.
I was just binging through the PVP playlist and thinking it would end after the pantheon co-op, and then this video started playing... talk about perfect timing!
Now I'm imagining a replay/ghost mode that emulates your previous runs along side you while you do them like Super Meat Boy. This was super cool and I need more! Love it!
I love when Fire just casually flexes his gaming skill to Leydy and Strawberry, they're so confused by what he just did and he's so silently smug about it.
The best part about this is how nice the platforming and movement look, There’s nothing unnecessary and the amount of satisfaction I gain from just seeing how nice everything looks is more than enough.
I was watching one of your streams, and my brother walked in and asked if I was on the screen because I looked quite similar to you, still makes me laugh knowing I am your doppelganger.
I have an idea you may want to consider, a cooperative any% speedrun with two others... sharing items, boss kills, and dreamer kills... but only one person can do each thing. Person 1 could be able to fight bosses, person A can use the dream nail, and person Alpha can pickup items. The other functions are unable to be done by the others but they can still hit each other, just to add some complication. So the guy who has item pickup and the guy who has boss kill have to stay together for the hornet fight, or no one can dash. AND EVERYONE HAS TO BE IN THE HOLLOW KNIGHT CHAMBER TO WIN!
The routing absolutely has so much room for improvement seeing how y'all ended up waiting for long portions of time. The others not remembering to D-Dark also contributes to the final boss being so difficult for them and taking so long
honestly makes me wonder about a true hollow knight soul link when one gets geo, all get geo shared hp - one dies, all die, one heals, all heal shared soul shared items could lead to some really cool strats and potential for your teammates to heal you... but being careless means you can get someone else killed during a boss
They're talking about current patch THK being stupidly fast and I have only played current patch. I didn't know it used to be easier, maybe that's why I struggled a bit on it
Nice upgrade ofr multiplayer mod. The spark of soul when the other people's enemies are. Also I think multiplayer speedruns should be a thing. I know it's a mod, so what? This would make the game interesting. Of course it would be completely separate category, but imagine more people would take it seriously. It's funny how Leydybug didn't know that You obtained Mothwing Cloak, because when You were getting it she had black screen from transition to another room. I looked at her trying to play without dashing and it was hilarious 😂 Leydybug: I'm gonna heal fireb0rn: I don't think so *proceeds to hit THK*
Routing idea: What if the person doing shade skip grabs sly, the person doing peaks grabs shopkeeper’s key, the person doing Monomon grabs elegant key, and the 3rd person uses the storeroom stag to grab Shade soul? I think the time loss would be pretty minimal, and then you would have shade soul for Monomon and THK.
Hey fire! Is there any chance that you've got a playlist of the other co-op HK video gameplays? I'm not sure if I've watched them all (watched the streamed ones such as the 3 and 5 hour), I'd love to watch the others if they exist because they're my favorite to watch when doing something else.
Cant we all agree that its absolutely insane that their relatively low effort run here would be faster than most of us after years of nonstop polishing?
I honestly really liked current patch THK when I tried an Any% run! It really felt like learning Pure Vessel all over again! (and that's my favorite boss)
Heyo, I want to actually ask a question if you were to ever do another speedeunner vs hunters. Would it be wise to get 2 additional charm notches and get spell twister to pair it with Shaman stone? I’d think it’d give a big edge against the hunters since you could use vengeful spirit / shade soul more reliably?
You could try something similar to what Smallant1 did in Super Mario Odyssey. Everybody shares a bingo board and 3 casuals compete against 1 speedrunner to complete lines. I thought 3 casuals working together trying to complete a speedrun before 1 speedrunner can complete 2 speedruns could be a fun idea but watcher nights would take ages for casuals (me included) Anyway love your videos
Imagine a casual play of this mod, you're a powerful boss but not too powerful, you're expecting the knight to enter the room under prepared because they're probably new, then suddenly 3 mfs enter the room with full intent to kill
I would really like an explanation of the pathing and how you came up with it! Why is Soul Sanctum a thing if it isn't in normal Any%? Yes, you need desolate Dive to get into Crystal Peaks without the lantern, but why is this faster than the lantern method?
I imagine Soul Sanctum is easier to overlap than geo collection, also you get the added benefit of descending dark. While someone is getting Dive, someone else is fighting watchers and someone else is doing another thing, and then whoever gets cdash can easily get DDark while other people are doing their things
Both Leydybug and Strawbrary stream Hollow Knight and other games regularly throughout the week. Give their channels a follow!
Leydybug: www.twitch.tv/leydybug
Strawbrary: www.twitch.tv/strawbrary
U r pro wow
is there like a used mods list somewhere? kinda curious trying this stuff out
@@erasyltheglitch2435 Top left corner at 0:57
Whats the full mod list for this. me and a friend cant figure out how to do this for the life of us
Could you put a mod list in the description of your videos? I think it would help a lot of people, me included
was a blast to run alongside you both
That is one cool tangiro skin u got there
I am glad you freed the grubs at the end haha
BE THE HERO THAT THE GRUBS DESERVE
Might I turn your attention to the most relevant part of the run: Leydy got the Den grub, meaning Fire effectively got the Den gurb
gurb
@@zaptrap4802 burg
@@timbakker371 rubg
@@sanadrin8359 brug
@@prpl3v3n0m ubrg
the fact that fire didn't put the moments where they were discussing their next moves makes me feel like they have collective concesness
the unenlightened masses, they cannot make the judgement call
Give up free will forever, there voices won’t be heard at all.
@@maxlegolus2817 Display obedience, while never stepping out of line
@@MrDylanButton And blindly swear allegiance
Let your country control your mind
Live in ignorance and purchase your hapiness
112% or True ending would be insanely fun with that mod
True ending sounds like it would have enough content to be entertaining without making them go through godmaster
I'm down to see that... please have this happen
112 would be a logical nightmare of routing and forgotten mask shards but the idea of true ending white palace speedrunning while building up offensive power passively would be amazing
Low% 💀💀💀
@@razukiedits2134 Low% embrace the void.
Fireb0rn needs a Grimmchild skin, with how often he interrupts stagger while others heal
Lol
This is the most accurate thing I’ve seen in a month
Ik everytime
I’d love to see this become optimized and an actually category! Can’t wait to see what you do next!
Would depend heavily on how many people you had doing it. I wonder what the limit is before adding more people stops being useful?
@@IronLucario2012 Almost certainly! When you do project management for big projects you often have to make a gantt chart (basically a graphical way to show task dependancies) you can add more and more workers but you will always have a "critical path" of tasks that rely on each other to get done eg A relies on B and C, B anc C both rely on D, D relies on E so your path might be E -> D -> (B or C) -> A, since B and C can be overlapped but A requires both so the minimum time depends on which of the two is longer (sorry if this is confusing, it's a bit hard to explain with just text)
It would be interesting to see how far you can push it though since theoretically you're mostly limited by skill checks and boss checks but the actual boss fights and travel time between can be overlapped if you have enough people to get around...
waiting for silksong be like
@@Imperial_Squid Well I'd say in theory three primary runners who's goals are to do the main route as fast as possible up to Claw, then split to go for the three Watchers. Additional runners with the goals of grinding for Lumafly Lantern, extra combat abilities, a soul vessel, enough notches for an extra charm and maybe Dream Gate, some of these goals could likely be combined. Finally someone to just wait at HK
@@erebusvonmori8050 Yeah that's my working theory as well but you could go even further, rather than have three go for claw and then go off to the dreamers, you could have a few go for claw but then a different three get as close to the dreamers as they can before they hit a claw check, that way you cut down on travel time between claw and the claw check. So long as you don't mind having a lot of people get to a place and wait for a check to be done by someone else I think the fastest route is going to have an insanely high number of people doing it...
Unfortunately, I don't think this number is knowable without an insane amount of testing and training tbh since the fastest route is going to change every time you add a new person until you hit that ceiling...
Strawbrary going offscript and getting grubs instead of a nail upgrade 😌
If she’d of got the nail upgrade it would’ve brought thk’s hp up
😔
@@PenguinGeek1 Is that particular to this mod, or a new for the latest Hollow Knight patches? I though THK had fixed health.
@@PenguinGeek1 the hollow knight doesn't gain HP from nail upgrades
@@PenguinGeek1 Iirc that's only dream warriors, not basic bosses.
I dont comment much but I genuinely get really hyped when I see a new co-op Hollow Knight video posted by you. I sometimes make it to streams but not often due to timezones. But i really enjoy nice this little community is and i enjoy the diversity of ideas you have for the game. Ill surely be tuning in time and time again 😊
Ever consider doing a hit-list type speedrun? Such as, fastest time to kill certain bosses? Gives you a reason to traverse more of the game if you have to kill targets like Hive Knight and Nosk.
Seems like something that’d exist as an unofficial category extension
@@pichujiggs153 It prob does
There is great hopper percent
Not sure about ones for specific bosses, but there is one called Pantheon Boss Order%, where you have to defeat the Hollow Knight bosses in the order they appear in Godhome: for example, you can't kill False Knight until you defeat Vengefly King first, and you have to somehow get to Massive Moss Charger without cloak so you can defeat it before Hornet 1, etc. Oh, and yes, the last two bosses are Hollow Knight and Radiance, instead of PV and Absarad.
I would love to see more of this kind of thing, as in multiplayer. I know it can be hard to organise, but it pays off in my opinion
Wow, that's really cool! It's neat to see how well-planned the route is already!
We need more of these! I love seeing the multi-player videos
Ngl, I would really like to see at least a 2, 3, and possibly 4 person coop category with full routing optimization from any% and true ending.
This was so cool! I wonder if potentially Strawbrary could pick up shade soul or howling wraiths while waiting for Fire and Ledy? I think Nail1 would be a bad idea since THK scales and would just gain health iirc. But the routing options are endless!
Doesn't the hollow knight have fixed health tho
fire: there are no grubs in this run >:(
leydy and strawbrary: grüb :D
this is so cool, while its unlikely id love to see the conceptual peak performance, like having people who are waiting hitting soul totems for the others at opportune moment to allow spell spamming. i also imagine that the first upgrade for nail could be grabbed in the down time of waiting for the third dreamer. but either way this is really cool and id love to see more of this, be it pushing this route to its peak, doing it with different/more people or just different categories
This was a fun video Fireborn. Congrats on 300k, you deserve it man.
This is awesome. If they ever add that category to speedruns I would love to see the different optimisations.
For you 3's runs though the only thing I can think of is strawbrary going to camp soul statues to refill you and Leydybug's soul meters when you are running low for e.g during the Uumuu fight.
I did an speedrun on hollow knight and i was able to get a time of 2 hours and 28 minutes without any glitches and also with 25%
Edit:ok i didn't actually expect to get this many likes lol but thank you
I only did mine for the two Speedrun achievements.
@@anthonycostanzo7649 same so i wasn't expecting to get 25%
@@CatCyan I got 22 percent in a Speedrun of 3 hours and 15 minutes....Watcher Knights
imagine a 3 player TAS
I've always enjoyed the multiplayer videos, but this is what I've wanted to see since I saw the very first HKMP video from you. This kind of speedrun is so cool and so different from anything else
that smooth movement in Sanctum around 30:00 - so satisfying
I have a route suggestion that could maybe reduce the time wasted waiting for progression from other runners.
The most crucial part seems to be the dive/c-dash/monomon progression chain. Regarding that, rather than the person that got dive to then go to peaks for c-dash, it probably would be better if the person who got dream-nail, rather than doing lurien, just openned king’s, stagged to crossroads and went to the peaks dive entrance. That way you can enter peaks right after getting dive, shaving from c-dash the time needed to exit sanctum. Then, paralel to c-dash/monomon, the runner who got dive would stag to king’s and do lurien.
Not checking vid but iirc dream nail and dive weren’t same time so it’s still be wait without lantern, which adds another split
43:34 the hollow knight tripping is the funniest thing I've seen all day
This is so cool. I understand why it's so rare, but co-op speedruns are really interesting and fun to watch.
It seems really interesting to have multiple players in an any percent speedrun. It’d be fun to see what it’d be like in multiple different speedrun categories.
I will never not find THK's theme amazing. Thanks for the great content fire!
The animation for the grub getting hit was so sad and cute I’m depressed now
I’d love to see y’all do a 112% of this later in the future
"Where are you respawning?"
"Uhhh Dirtmouth?"
This video is so cool, super sick to watch!
37:23 this godgamer actually using invincible mode
I love challenges like these. It doesn't make the game too much easier, doesn't make it too much harder, it's good for just hangin out with friends or fellow streamers.
What a fun co-op concept! This was great to watch :D
I was just binging through the PVP playlist and thinking it would end after the pantheon co-op, and then this video started playing... talk about perfect timing!
Now I'm imagining a replay/ghost mode that emulates your previous runs along side you while you do them like Super Meat Boy. This was super cool and I need more! Love it!
I love how city, darkdeep, and resting grounds are entered at the exact same time
leydybug relying on curse words for any sort of conversation is just funny to watch
I love when Fire just casually flexes his gaming skill to Leydy and Strawberry, they're so confused by what he just did and he's so silently smug about it.
The best part about this is how nice the platforming and movement look, There’s nothing unnecessary and the amount of satisfaction I gain from just seeing how nice everything looks is more than enough.
I’ve always wanted to do this! I bet 2 player speedruns could get incredibly tight with routing and timing
This needs to become a speedrun category. 🙏
i always enjoy seeing co-op types of stuff
I love the Hollow Knight Community! Cool content, thanks for the vid
That was awesome and fun to watch 😍
I was watching one of your streams, and my brother walked in and asked if I was on the screen because I looked quite similar to you, still makes me laugh knowing I am your doppelganger.
Yoo a new vid let's goo pog I've been watching all your old vids and have been waiting for a new vid
Can’t wait for 3 Player 112% Steel Soul Glass Soul True Ending with Randomizer and Random Gravity Mods
I have an idea you may want to consider, a cooperative any% speedrun with two others... sharing items, boss kills, and dreamer kills... but only one person can do each thing. Person 1 could be able to fight bosses, person A can use the dream nail, and person Alpha can pickup items. The other functions are unable to be done by the others but they can still hit each other, just to add some complication. So the guy who has item pickup and the guy who has boss kill have to stay together for the hornet fight, or no one can dash. AND EVERYONE HAS TO BE IN THE HOLLOW KNIGHT CHAMBER TO WIN!
The routing absolutely has so much room for improvement seeing how y'all ended up waiting for long portions of time. The others not remembering to D-Dark also contributes to the final boss being so difficult for them and taking so long
We already know. It's the first runs and it was just for fun.
3:13 it never fails to amaze me when he does that.
Ah yes. These videos are why I come to this page. Always fantastic to watch
honestly makes me wonder about a true hollow knight soul link
when one gets geo, all get geo
shared hp - one dies, all die, one heals, all heal
shared soul
shared items
could lead to some really cool strats and potential for your teammates to heal you... but being careless means you can get someone else killed during a boss
Would love to see more of this format!! Mayhe another attempt more optmized or 112% would be awesome!
Fire, Didn’t You Do This Type Of Thing But As A Randomizer And With 7 People?
Yeah Matthew! It was a room rando, hope to do one again soon for sure.
They're talking about current patch THK being stupidly fast and I have only played current patch. I didn't know it used to be easier, maybe that's why I struggled a bit on it
Nice upgrade ofr multiplayer mod. The spark of soul when the other people's enemies are.
Also I think multiplayer speedruns should be a thing. I know it's a mod, so what? This would make the game interesting. Of course it would be completely separate category, but imagine more people would take it seriously.
It's funny how Leydybug didn't know that You obtained Mothwing Cloak, because when You were getting it she had black screen from transition to another room. I looked at her trying to play without dashing and it was hilarious 😂
Leydybug: I'm gonna heal
fireb0rn: I don't think so *proceeds to hit THK*
Fire rocking that solaire outfit in the full run made my day
Routing idea:
What if the person doing shade skip grabs sly, the person doing peaks grabs shopkeeper’s key, the person doing Monomon grabs elegant key, and the 3rd person uses the storeroom stag to grab Shade soul?
I think the time loss would be pretty minimal, and then you would have shade soul for Monomon and THK.
37:24 we are just gonna ignore that fire landed on spikes here and just jumped of
*man this was amazing beautiful gameplay*
The three Musketeers of the hollow knight RUclips community.
Mossbag, Fireborn, Skurry.
Ever since I first saw the multiplayer mod, I've wanted to see something like this
I need to see this optimized
İmagine with tas
@@zselimegmen8714 Jarlyk has a Happy Couple multiplayer Tas.
Strawbrary with that Tanjiro outfit though. Clean as hell
1:20 oof the corrupted theme is awesome
is it just me or but whenever they are all locked in and you can hear their controllers and its so satisfying lol
I didn't even get to attempts, but i already want this to be a popular meme category
This is awesome :)
I like how at 44:00 it’s the beginning, end, and middle of the fight
21:49
Ela mandou um "tchau tchau" representando os brasileiros
Né, eu fiquei tão confuso
Hey fire! Is there any chance that you've got a playlist of the other co-op HK video gameplays? I'm not sure if I've watched them all (watched the streamed ones such as the 3 and 5 hour), I'd love to watch the others if they exist because they're my favorite to watch when doing something else.
Whats the mod that shows where other players enemies are?
Cant we all agree that its absolutely insane that their relatively low effort run here would be faster than most of us after years of nonstop polishing?
I’d love to see this for true ending run
Would love to see y’all doing a True Ending/112% speedrun with this mod.
im happy that there is still some people that play hollow knight.
can't wait for the mod to add enemy sync/boss sync that would litterally make the game perfect for multiplayer
What I was thinking was that 1 person goes to fungal wastes, one gets fireball, and one gets dash.
I honestly really liked current patch THK when I tried an Any% run!
It really felt like learning Pure Vessel all over again!
(and that's my favorite boss)
The amount of routing you can do for a 112% run sounds like fun.
10:24 you monster! You didn’t have to leave that grub but you did >:(
Heyo, I want to actually ask a question if you were to ever do another speedeunner vs hunters.
Would it be wise to get 2 additional charm notches and get spell twister to pair it with Shaman stone?
I’d think it’d give a big edge against the hunters since you could use vengeful spirit / shade soul more reliably?
damn 2:30 2 best friends music that hit hard when i heard it
Multiplayer speedruns sound like they would have incredible optimization opportunitys
You could try something similar to what Smallant1 did in Super Mario Odyssey. Everybody shares a bingo board and 3 casuals compete against 1 speedrunner to complete lines.
I thought 3 casuals working together trying to complete a speedrun before 1 speedrunner can complete 2 speedruns could be a fun idea but watcher nights would take ages for casuals (me included)
Anyway love your videos
Imagine a casual play of this mod, you're a powerful boss but not too powerful, you're expecting the knight to enter the room under prepared because they're probably new, then suddenly 3 mfs enter the room with full intent to kill
Побольше бы таких спидранов!
Next I wanna see TE any% 3player
Before watching, I'm honestly like, wow, this must be incredibly interesting to route.
it was so funny seeing leydy not using dash because the popup didnt appear
Bare witness, the true power of jolly cooperation
very interesting, nice vid!
I would really like an explanation of the pathing and how you came up with it! Why is Soul Sanctum a thing if it isn't in normal Any%? Yes, you need desolate Dive to get into Crystal Peaks without the lantern, but why is this faster than the lantern method?
I imagine Soul Sanctum is easier to overlap than geo collection, also you get the added benefit of descending dark. While someone is getting Dive, someone else is fighting watchers and someone else is doing another thing, and then whoever gets cdash can easily get DDark while other people are doing their things
Very fun video to cheer me up from gamescom not having silksong, but the next stream might
It'd be really interesting to see more three-person runs! Maybe speedrunning pure nail or something? Is that a category?
This was absolutely dope, you should try this doing all skills
Poor fireb0rn, watching while everyone else fights THK, wanting to start spamming spells to help
how did you do this? im pretty sure with the HKMP mod alone you cant do this "interactive multiplayer". can you maybe give me some information pls?
Every time fireborn uses choco cave in a video i pop off a little