I was honestly expecting Mojang to have the video using the builds in the background, and then Fan Club being mad because Mojang just took credit for their builds. Thus, the greifing.
To be fair about Mojang having a modded server, some employees were formerly Minecraft fans who modded the game, like Kingbdogz. Not only that, browsing through modded content would allow the developers to skim through what ideas the community has for the game, and pick out the ones they like the best.
Our personal server actually got joined by a few questionable people and my pal who runs it had NO clue these scanning tools exist. Luckily nothing was destroyed but four different people joined over the course of a couple months lol
i actually coded a 2FA mod that used discord oauth to let players in cause i found out about these scanning tools after a group of people tried griefing on our server. fortunately i was able to revert that
@@shapeswitch_mood7221 As some people have pointed out, you can whitelist the server so that only selected players can join. This does mean that you have to manually add people in, but I think that that should be safe
@@shapeswitch_mood7221 whitelist and just put your friends there, they can't join unless they hack someone's account so check if you have a good password too
i love when people exploit games without malicious intent just to show people what can be done with it, shame it doesn't happen more often because it feels so much more impressive
You probably just don’t hear about them. If the players found the mojang server built some stuff and that was the end of it, it wouldn’t make for as interesting of a story
In the Fark Souls games there was a whole subset of Hackers that would just show off what they could do, put on light shows, become a miniboss, it made the occasional douchebag script kiddie bearable.
Fun fact. The IP you showed at 1:18 is a version 6 one. In this version it would at least take 2^64 scans to find a server, pretty much impossible. But they used a version 4 one so it was easily scan-able on the internet.
To be fair, that would require everyone that wanted to play on it to also have access to IPv6... Which luckily isn't the case... IPv6 is a hot pile of garbage.
Being a dev doesn't necessarily mean you are good at your own game. Although I would somewhat expect them to choose some of the better players on the team.
It's marketing, for whatever reason ads with bad players are more effective than ads with good players. I'm sure they have better players on their team, maybe the players in the video are even intentionally playing poorly.
@@urgay1992 The developers are not the ones seeking out every bug and exploit possible, it’s usually players or bug testers. I don’t understand why this is common knowledge.
tl;dr mojang spun up a server SUPER quick and made a baby parkour course, filmed a video, and then forgot to take it down. Eventually people found and griefed it until someone else reminded Mojang it even exists
@@xenirdyes but if they are running it on their own pc it’s THEIR IP. Not just a random one. If some youtuber named their server after themselves AND used their own hardware for making the server you could leak it and get their home address.
The expectation that all employees that work at a game studio are amazing at the games that studio makes is really silly, and I'll explain why. Firstly, game development isn't about playing a game all day, it's about working. You write code, create models, author textures, produce animations, etc. etc. There isn't time to goof around and play Parkour maps when you have stuff to do. When the day is over the last thing you want to do is stare at the game you've been working on all day. You come to associate it with work, so you probably play other games, or do something unrelated to computers as a whole. The Devs that are usually really good at their own games are QA, and Design. Since they are most in touch with the actual experience of playing the game moment to moment, since it is their responsibility to best understand how the game works and feels to play. Lastly, I don't understand why people seem to have a problem with the Devs playing with mods. As a dev you can't just add whatever you want into the game, there is a meticulous and often frustrating process that comes before being allowed to add anything in that must go through several stages of approval. Besides, mods do outlandish and unusual things that would never fit vanilla Minecraft. So why bar yourself from being able to appreciate that content that you used to love just because you started working on the game?
3:44 Not every game developer are gamers, there's people who have a lot of fun with the programming aspect, texturing, and all of that but not necessarily the game play.
I'm also pretty sure that you don't want to play the game you spent YEARS working on. You already know it from inside out and probably played it enough during testing.
@@rompevuevitos222 You're missing the point. Assuming that every dev "knows the game from inside out" would be like assuming every cashier at walmart has a perfect understanding of the logistics supply chains finances etc. of the entire company. Assuming a dev is great at the game is like assuming the janitor at a school would be good at teaching.
@@megapussiofc not ALL devs, but if you're working with the game with anything code related, you'll know it better than most. And you'll likely be well aware of most of the code out of necessity. Because you where only ordered to code in new mobs doesn't need you'll stay with just mob code, you'll have to account for ALL the code already there that may interact with the mob. Which includes things like saving/loading, game ticks, other mobs, networking, etc
Well game devs focus on games and often dont play them or get good at their own game they spend time on games not on gameplay my friend develops games and sucks at them its normal
@@chocolateztA product developed by people who are not regular and passionate users of the product will result in a worse result. That’s why people get disappointed.
@@chocolatezt Realistically nothing wrong with it. Players are either jesting here or they have a flawed view of what a developer actually does or should know about a product. For the most part this kind of viewpoint stems from these players assuming that because game developers are the "gods" of the game (aka the ones making it) they should know everything, including how to play it. Which for an art designer or even a programmer for example is simply not necessary.
The thing that bothers me is that people will bash game developers for being bad at our own game. Just because we make it doesn’t mean we’re good at it. We made the mechanic we don’t automatically come prepackaged with the muscle memory and skill to beat what we make. We’re usually busy working on it anyways so
@@amspook 1st: listening to feedback is not always productive. Knowing how to play doesn't mean you know about game design or what's best, most player suggestions are dumb at best and often counterproductive to the game's design goals. 2nd: having a playerbase has literally no weight in a dev0s skill. In fact, it means they have LESS time to play the game. 3rd: what do updates have to do with game skill?
@@rompevuevitos222 listening to ANY feedback at ALL is usually a good idea, and mojang recently isnt doing this. people have been complaining about copper being completely useless, and that is completely justified and if copper actually fit into any system that the game has at all it would be an infinitely better item. making crafting recipes with copper does not solve this problem, because you could just as easily use iron or gold for a lightning rod or a brush. copper could have a redstone purpose, given its the single most used conductor of electricity in real life, but mojang didnt do anything with it. on release it was just a block, and today it is a block and a lightning rod.
Ummm, as someone who makes games, I definitely play my own games and and get decently good at them. It's incredibly difficult not to when you have to test your own code and playtest the levels. At least good enough to actually be able to play the game like a human. The footage in the video is like watching ppl who've never played a videogame.
@@merasmus9992 They have to both credit and finicially compensate the creators if their ideas are similar enough with proof of Mojang being aware they exist Most professionals avoid fanart for this reason
@@madmatt2024 That might work but unfortunately, most modern OS like Windows 11 or even Android and other OS have random MAC address generation, which would defeated that purposes and they had to fallback into IP blocking or blocking VPN sites, or both. Alternatively, they probably could do something else (probably better) is to ban the hardware's serial number instead (if it's exist), wonder if they can be spoofed, but having a server with a strong password would be enough, no griefers can join it without the password anyway.
this literally happened to my personal smp for my friends and i. the guy who joined was actually kinda nice and understood why we needed to kick him since it was only a server for close friends. i guess this is how it happened.
not really since having mods doesn't mean that the base is bad it's just that they want something very specific that Mojang wouldn't add to the base game because it wouldn't be good for most players, and don't fit into the game rlcraft was once fun to play not a reason to make the game like that
They likely test compatibly with the most popular server plugins to minimize the amount of things that break when they push an update out. With how important server plugins are to the game’s community it’s actually a very thoughtful step in the process.
@@alberqueaq6939 Forge is for mods that can also be used in singleplayer and multiplayer not for plugins and most updates they release will break mods if the mods and forge haven't updated to newest version of minecraft
I've never understood griefing. It's a video game, you don't get anything that benefits you by griefing. It's like school bullying; you only get respect from other equally sad people, and that's it.
Makes me wonder if Mojang are gonna tighten server security on Java somehow. It's become something of an issue, and while mid size servers with grief prevention measures, backups, and CoreProtect are basically safe, smaller servers ran by less tech savvy people are at risk.
What do you propose? You need to understand that technology can not fix everything automatically. If you don't want random players joining your server use a whitelist. That is not difficult. About Backups: You should back up all your data anyways, that is not Mojang's responsibility. Sure they could add an inbuilt backup method for mc worlds, but that doesn't protect your other data. You can back up your Minecraft folder just as easily as family photos or whatever else. If you use a hosting provider for your mc server they probably have a method for backups. If you are not tech savvy, you probably shouldn't host your own server on your own computer. Mojang only makes the game, not all the other parts of the server. Your router firewall keeps you safe from many threats, a server doesn't have that. We unfortunately live in a world full of cyber crime :(
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I'd imagine that mojang just had sent out an office invite to free workers to record the video. Why bother taking 3 minutes of effort to create a new whitelist of who responded when the server was going to be used for less than an hour anyway.
It would complicate things unnecessarily. It was very unlikely someone found it in the first place and having to edit the whitelist before an event could cause unexpected delays.
"In this video, we're gonna dive _deep_ into the discovery and the eventual destruction of the holy grail of Minecraft servers." -The video is only about 5 minutes long About as deep as a kiddie pool it seems.
I thought you were using Outer Wilds music in the last video, but with the end of this one, I am absolutely certain. You are making excellent use of it!
the desire to be better than someone else either from jealousy or spite, inability to work on themselves so they take it out on others. just general lack of awareness on what respect even is
Griefing mojang owned server is okay IMO, beucase they bring light to the obvious security risk in how the servers work, but griefing random people who just play with their friends is way over the line, they are just losers with nothing better to do
bragging rights and pride, it makes a lot of sense ESPECIALLY when that server is owned by a large corporation that many people dislike. aside from that it's just the way some people want to play the game, they bought it and they're just using that sandbox for whatever brings them joy, which happens to be griefing.
They can easily circumvent it if they want software always has a weakness but its just what picks their interest. I bet the group tought: "well the server has mojang/microsoft employees maybe we can hack mojang or microsoft using it or just ruin their server because they wont release what we want"
@@309electronics5 lol no they can't easily circumvent the whitelist. If they could, they would have griefed the other Mojang servers. And "every software has a weakness" isn't true. Many times there are ones, but there's no guarantee, especially if you are looking for something specific (like whitelist bypass). I don't think there has been a whitelist bypass exploit for Minecraft in the last 10 years, since well, its really hard to mess up. And the only way you could MAYBE hack Mojang via a Minecraft server is an exploit with similar scale to the Log4J exploits that allowed remote code execution. Even then though, you are just going to get access to their intranet, which may or may not have anything useful.
Wait didn't the members of the Fifth Column get banned for their excessive griefing by Mojang themselves? Or was this before they got banned? Or did they just use alts for these shenanigans? Too many questions. Not enough answers.
@@salam-peace5519 you can buy used accounts for like 1$ and Mojang doesn't get any more money for that. Those accounts are usually only banned on major servers like Hypixel
3:53 some people may find this hard to believe, not literally every person at a larger developer studio actually plays the video game. Shocker, I know. The ones who do are actively making it, not promoting it.
Oh goddamn wasn't expecting to see a video like this. Well done to Fan Club for actually making some impressive builds and not griefing it. Fifth Column on the other hand... Bruh
Error correction: Making a minecraft server accessible to the Internet is a process, is something you decide to do. You don't "hide" it, you just wouldn't make it accessible to the Internet in the first place. You need to put them into the internet, if I can put it this way.
I think you're confused? He said the program scans for minecraft servers by pinging with an automated check to see if the ping comes back with an MOTD/Server name. This means they could ping any range of IPs. Unless your using a localhost server without port forwarding, they could crack your IP if it was online.
Well yeah. Not all employees work in the same office. And if any needed to join while at home or travelling... There was no gain from restricting it from the internet, and a whitelist would mean that anyone that needed to enter would have to contact an admin and get them to go to the server and edit it. It was intentional
@@totallynottwo5727 He meant not make it accessible trough the internet, for the server to connect to the internet you have to setup a static IP, do some port forwarding, etc. Otherwise it stays limited to a LAN. And they could use a VLAN to connect the server over the internet to specific computers.
@totallynottwo5727 That is exactly what I am talking about, but a server doesn't come with port forwarding, you configure that. Listen to what he says at 1:09. @rompevuevitos222 Im not sure what you mean, VLANs don't work directly on the internet.
@@tuothash Not out of the box. But you can connect a VLAN to the internet and it effectively acts as an extra layer of isolation. Programs like Hamachi and Radmin provide a simple way of doing so. But you can setup your own as well.
i absolutely hate the stupid groups that grief as much as possible for no reason edit: i’m going to specify, i don’t like when people do it on obviously private servers, like a private smp or something like this. it’s so stupid how people will use machines to find servers SPECIFICALLY so they can grief it and ruin the fun.
griefing is awful for other people and ruins the fun, if people want to have fun they need to do it in a different way that's not destructive@@ratewcropolix
@ratewcropolix so if vandalizing stuff is absolutely fine if you have fun while doing it, i might have missed out on a lot of fun in my life, DAMN. i might smash some windows tonight and pray to the police i had a shit ton of fun while doing so. i think theyll understand.
The best anticheat is to make the logic serverside but it would burder the server because the server would calculate movements and other player actions.
People did stuff like this back during the Xbox 360 era to get into exclusive access to game beta tests and demos. This has happened with Halo, Crackdown ton iirc, and tons of other not first party Mircosoft titles too.
what the heck. I don't understand people who just ruin other people's fun. and to deliberately try and find a server owned by mojang and grief it knowing its by the game owners... bruh. the first lot of people was nice and wholesome, letting mojang know and doing some cool builds. I was actually pleasantly surprised. but no that second group had to go and ruin a lovely moment
@@amspook it was never contained there to begin with, its just a bad excuse people use to argue devils advocate for terrible spaces (not specifically 2b2t, but just generally any bad space/community) arguing that it is "contained there" is simply incorrect, and all those spaces do is give an entry point for people to start acting the same way too
My server got visited by a few peeps before I got around to turning on white listing. Thankfully no one griefed us though. I also got visited by the Matbot account as well one day while I was on just for the bot to remind me I should enable white listing. Which I was in the process of doing anyways. It's even easier to find my Minecraft server because it sits on an TLD so I'm not that surprised Mojang had servers found it's not like the Ipv4 address space is all that large. It regularly gets scanned by other tools and services in it's entirety for other reasons. Keep your stuff secure folks the internet is a much smaller place than it seems in a lot of ways.
@@TheBcoolGuyThe people who make them are bunch of script kiddies who are incapable of making a portscan bot that doesn't clog up the server log. I don't care about port scanning, it's the internet after all. But at least learn how to do it properly.
@@TheBcoolGuy ive had the server for a bit now, but its mostly been protected since whitelist and modded on an old version. so what ends up happening is log spam and i dont think i can do anything about it
There are a few possible solutions. 1. Put it in an internal network behind NAT with no port forwarding and require VPN to access. 2. Do the same thing, but connect a different way (like a special ISP except not for internet but rather for intranet). Many more solutions exist.
Fan Club making a bunch of good builds on the server is actually really neat, shame nobody at Mojang ever noticed
Rip
Yea
All the mods 8 server found
W fanclub shoutsout faav
I was honestly expecting Mojang to have the video using the builds in the background, and then Fan Club being mad because Mojang just took credit for their builds. Thus, the greifing.
Mojang's next update:
-Removed griefing
-Added Anti-Cheat
-Removed Herobrine
They need to add that fr
The problem is that nothing they can do will stop griefing, and the real key to stopping it is finally adding Herobrine instead of removing him.
cant forget the “removed herobrine”💀
Added*
@@DrewTNaylorherobrine is the skull key
To be fair about Mojang having a modded server, some employees were formerly Minecraft fans who modded the game, like Kingbdogz. Not only that, browsing through modded content would allow the developers to skim through what ideas the community has for the game, and pick out the ones they like the best.
And the best they came up with is?
@@Putt-Putt they put horses and pistons in referencing the original mods.
I guess that makes sense. It lets them see what kind of ideas the community has come up with.
@@Putt-Putta freakin pot that doesnt let you put flowers or items inside
I think they used mods for their series with Narrator and Marilla, so that could also be a reason for those servers
Imagine getting griefed by your own players that purchased YOUR game, feels bad man.
What?
at last, mojang won as they did pay for it lmao
Its hard being illiterate isn't it?@@TheBcoolGuy
harsh but true@@austink2598
@@Noob-ye3hsunless they pirated it
Half expected FitMC to start monologuing part way into this video.
The first mojang private Minecraft server when't public, you won't believe what happened next...
@@joranfokker7477 "when't"
2bt2, the oldest anarchy server on Minecraft..
@@Proferklol whent
Same I thought it was a Fit video until I heard him talking 🤣
Love how the fifth column guy literally said "come join us on our new smp" to Sal, talking about the mojang server.
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Our personal server actually got joined by a few questionable people and my pal who runs it had NO clue these scanning tools exist. Luckily nothing was destroyed but four different people joined over the course of a couple months lol
i actually coded a 2FA mod that used discord oauth to let players in cause i found out about these scanning tools after a group of people tried griefing on our server. fortunately i was able to revert that
Why not just use a whitelist instead?
Is there a way to counter these scanning tools?
@@shapeswitch_mood7221 As some people have pointed out, you can whitelist the server so that only selected players can join. This does mean that you have to manually add people in, but I think that that should be safe
@@shapeswitch_mood7221 whitelist and just put your friends there, they can't join unless they hack someone's account so check if you have a good password too
i love when people exploit games without malicious intent just to show people what can be done with it, shame it doesn't happen more often because it feels so much more impressive
Right? I'd be a lot more spooked if I joined and found something just slightly off... rather than seeing everything decimated.
You probably just don’t hear about them. If the players found the mojang server built some stuff and that was the end of it, it wouldn’t make for as interesting of a story
In the Fark Souls games there was a whole subset of Hackers that would just show off what they could do, put on light shows, become a miniboss, it made the occasional douchebag script kiddie bearable.
@@nyancat8828 for example, the thing that happened with sleep deprived's SMP and MrToasten. that got me giggling
White hat hackers are uncommon..
Fun fact. The IP you showed at 1:18 is a version 6 one. In this version it would at least take 2^64 scans to find a server, pretty much impossible. But they used a version 4 one so it was easily scan-able on the internet.
yeah ipv4 is only 2^32 its like 600gb of pings to ping every address that would take a day on a good connections
I’m pretty all minecraft servers must be ipv4
@@musclechicken9036 no they can be ipv6 only. your server needs a proper address and you just have to configure it right
@@musclechicken9036 nah they can be ipv6
To be fair, that would require everyone that wanted to play on it to also have access to IPv6... Which luckily isn't the case... IPv6 is a hot pile of garbage.
i love that "the fifth column" gave themselves such a cool hacker-esque name when what they do is completely technically uninteresting
And fan club being... Fans but much cooler
the fifth column is so goofy lol minecraft griefing groups are so dumb
they gotta be the least self-aware group of people ever lmao
why tho, they were the ones who started the whole server scanning thing in the first place
@@yigitylmaz3609 true
Being a dev doesn't necessarily mean you are good at your own game. Although I would somewhat expect them to choose some of the better players on the team.
Most game developers don't even play games at all. It's just another office job for them
Many times devs are worse than their players at their games.
It's marketing, for whatever reason ads with bad players are more effective than ads with good players. I'm sure they have better players on their team, maybe the players in the video are even intentionally playing poorly.
@@urgay1992 anger, makes you wanna prove its easy
@@urgay1992 The developers are not the ones seeking out every bug and exploit possible, it’s usually players or bug testers. I don’t understand why this is common knowledge.
tl;dr mojang spun up a server SUPER quick and made a baby parkour course, filmed a video, and then forgot to take it down. Eventually people found and griefed it until someone else reminded Mojang it even exists
Minecraft griefers will quite literally compromise your internet safety just so they can break a few blocks in your minecraft world
Some people just be a little too chronically online
It's not compromising if you just scan for IPs
Cope and seethe kid
@@xenirdyes but if they are running it on their own pc it’s THEIR IP. Not just a random one. If some youtuber named their server after themselves AND used their own hardware for making the server you could leak it and get their home address.
@@Pacman009 there is free software than gives you a proxy to host on your PC and hide the IP
The expectation that all employees that work at a game studio are amazing at the games that studio makes is really silly, and I'll explain why.
Firstly, game development isn't about playing a game all day, it's about working. You write code, create models, author textures, produce animations, etc. etc. There isn't time to goof around and play Parkour maps when you have stuff to do.
When the day is over the last thing you want to do is stare at the game you've been working on all day. You come to associate it with work, so you probably play other games, or do something unrelated to computers as a whole.
The Devs that are usually really good at their own games are QA, and Design. Since they are most in touch with the actual experience of playing the game moment to moment, since it is their responsibility to best understand how the game works and feels to play.
Lastly, I don't understand why people seem to have a problem with the Devs playing with mods. As a dev you can't just add whatever you want into the game, there is a meticulous and often frustrating process that comes before being allowed to add anything in that must go through several stages of approval. Besides, mods do outlandish and unusual things that would never fit vanilla Minecraft. So why bar yourself from being able to appreciate that content that you used to love just because you started working on the game?
I sometimes wonder how bad can the security of Mojang be at times.
Honestly the server itself seemed to be a temp server for the video and was forgotten about after.
It was a temp server anyways so why bother
Indeed
They really should know how to setup a virtual private network smh
tf you mean? @@defense200x
3:44 Not every game developer are gamers, there's people who have a lot of fun with the programming aspect, texturing, and all of that but not necessarily the game play.
I'm also pretty sure that you don't want to play the game you spent YEARS working on.
You already know it from inside out and probably played it enough during testing.
@@rompevuevitos222 You're missing the point. Assuming that every dev "knows the game from inside out" would be like assuming every cashier at walmart has a perfect understanding of the logistics supply chains finances etc. of the entire company. Assuming a dev is great at the game is like assuming the janitor at a school would be good at teaching.
@@rompevuevitos222they clearly have never played, they struggle with movement for fuck's sake
@@megapussiofc not ALL devs, but if you're working with the game with anything code related, you'll know it better than most. And you'll likely be well aware of most of the code out of necessity.
Because you where only ordered to code in new mobs doesn't need you'll stay with just mob code, you'll have to account for ALL the code already there that may interact with the mob. Which includes things like saving/loading, game ticks, other mobs, networking, etc
Mojang could fix this scanning issue simply by adding a "Do not broadcast" option for servers where they do not return the Motd or player count
this option already exists it's called enable-query or something
Then you could just try joining the ip directly.
there would be far too many @@drocalt
Would not fix it unfortunately, many scanners pretend to be players trying to join
They can't really do this because otherwise how would the server list know if the server is online or even exists?
I really hope Mojang contacts Fan Club to build things for short videos like the one made in that server. Some people are just phenomenal builders.
All the builds were schematica'd in and stolen 🤣
@@thef1fthcolumn that's not what the comment was about lol
@@thef1fthcolumn proof?
@@thef1fthcolumnmalding ass griefers lol
@@thef1fthcolumnwait until they realize that greifing a server that already fulfilled its use does nothing…
I think the mojang employes only had a touchpad and not a mouse. At least that would explain their bad gameplay
Well game devs focus on games and often dont play them or get good at their own game they spend time on games not on gameplay my friend develops games and sucks at them its normal
@@chocolateztA product developed by people who are not regular and passionate users of the product will result in a worse result. That’s why people get disappointed.
@@chocolatezt Realistically nothing wrong with it. Players are either jesting here or they have a flawed view of what a developer actually does or should know about a product. For the most part this kind of viewpoint stems from these players assuming that because game developers are the "gods" of the game (aka the ones making it) they should know everything, including how to play it. Which for an art designer or even a programmer for example is simply not necessary.
Nah , I've been playing with touchpad for years
It's not really that hard
Guess they just really suck at parkour
@@ДаниилВолбушко I think they were failing on purpose
Mojang playing their own game on a modded server is just amazing
They are probably finding ideas the community came up with they liked best and are implementing them
@@donutstudios6353 We can dream
@@donutstudios6353even if not, why are people so hard pressed about people having fun?
@@N0pr0fit right lol like so many mods are just extra fun to the game, just optional added content nothing's wrong with enjoying that
@@N0pr0fitexactly! just let them have fun lmao
The thing that bothers me is that people will bash game developers for being bad at our own game. Just because we make it doesn’t mean we’re good at it. We made the mechanic we don’t automatically come prepackaged with the muscle memory and skill to beat what we make. We’re usually busy working on it anyways so
But it's still your game with a sizeable playerbase
If you develop an update without listening to player's feedback, that's where the problem started
@@amspook
1st: listening to feedback is not always productive. Knowing how to play doesn't mean you know about game design or what's best, most player suggestions are dumb at best and often counterproductive to the game's design goals.
2nd: having a playerbase has literally no weight in a dev0s skill. In fact, it means they have LESS time to play the game.
3rd: what do updates have to do with game skill?
lets play arcane reborn
@@rompevuevitos222 listening to ANY feedback at ALL is usually a good idea, and mojang recently isnt doing this. people have been complaining about copper being completely useless, and that is completely justified and if copper actually fit into any system that the game has at all it would be an infinitely better item. making crafting recipes with copper does not solve this problem, because you could just as easily use iron or gold for a lightning rod or a brush. copper could have a redstone purpose, given its the single most used conductor of electricity in real life, but mojang didnt do anything with it. on release it was just a block, and today it is a block and a lightning rod.
Ummm, as someone who makes games, I definitely play my own games and and get decently good at them. It's incredibly difficult not to when you have to test your own code and playtest the levels. At least good enough to actually be able to play the game like a human. The footage in the video is like watching ppl who've never played a videogame.
It would be crazy if they griefed it before Mojang filmed their video lol
Or DURING the filming
@@donutstudios6353 Don't worry guys, it's just a bit of rain delay, nothing to worry about
Meanwhile the server:💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
damn sal's editing is getting much more stylized
That forge server has to be what they built that "Create enigma" on for the minecon... and it's just been left lingering for years now.
plausable as its clear they spin up testing servers and then forget to spin them down
to be fair on the mojang devs, they’re job isn’t to parkour
These people don't know what jobs are.
They are just having fun
@@charlesxd7816 i always wondered how many developers actually play the game, on both editions
@@AzaleaTFG 0
I think that the reason they have modded servers is so that the employee's can mess around and have fun, and maybe even get inspired by the mods.
That's illegal
No really
@@TechBlade9000don’t see how inspirations can be illegal if it’s not literally copy pasting
@@merasmus9992 They have to both credit and finicially compensate the creators if their ideas are similar enough with proof of Mojang being aware they exist
Most professionals avoid fanart for this reason
@@TechBlade9000having fun is illegal?
@@TechBlade9000 Wrong. Mojand worked with the famous modder Dr.Zhark to add horses into the game in the 1.6 update which were his original idea.
I wonder if they would get IP banned and their accounts deleted if they choose to grief a server during a Mojang stream
A VPN and an alternate account would be well worth the price of such humiliation
@@wildwyatxboxthat would be a great way to make money from Mojang lol
Just MAC address ban them.
Hopefully
@@madmatt2024 That might work but unfortunately, most modern OS like Windows 11 or even Android and other OS have random MAC address generation, which would defeated that purposes and they had to fallback into IP blocking or blocking VPN sites, or both.
Alternatively, they probably could do something else (probably better) is to ban the hardware's serial number instead (if it's exist), wonder if they can be spoofed, but having a server with a strong password would be enough, no griefers can join it without the password anyway.
this literally happened to my personal smp for my friends and i. the guy who joined was actually kinda nice and understood why we needed to kick him since it was only a server for close friends. i guess this is how it happened.
Do you just not know about whitelisting?
whitelist: allow me to introduce myself
I still keep getting surprised by the occasional Outer Wilds soundtracks and I love this channel for it
Hopefully they do something about the issues with multiplayer after having first hand experience
1.21 update: all multiplayer has been disabled
@@jamesw3413 1.22 update: you are a player yourself, no more joining worlds at all
They will never do anything remotely close to fixing actual issues in the game ever. You might see 3 more blocks and a mob in 2 years time.
What issues lmfao? There's whitelist to prevent that. Otherwise you can't prevent the scanning
Scanning fair, white list is a shield
It's a shame that fan club spent so much time making pretty builds, for it to end up going to waste. Cool find though.
true :)
@@northernside2915 F
the fact that there is a whole group of people just dedicated to griefing minecraft servers is peak levels of tism.
I find it fuckin hilarious that an official Mojang server runs on a version of Forge and isn't vanilla LMFAOO.
not really since having mods doesn't mean that the base is bad it's just that they want something very specific that Mojang wouldn't add to the base game because it wouldn't be good for most players, and don't fit into the game
rlcraft was once fun to play not a reason to make the game like that
Comment makes no sense
I mean a lot of the Java edition dev team are modders themselves, so not at all surprising
They likely test compatibly with the most popular server plugins to minimize the amount of things that break when they push an update out. With how important server plugins are to the game’s community it’s actually a very thoughtful step in the process.
@@alberqueaq6939 Forge is for mods that can also be used in singleplayer and multiplayer not for plugins and most updates they release will break mods if the mods and forge haven't updated to newest version of minecraft
Love the Outer Wilds music at the end
Finally mojang knows how it feels to get their server griefed randomly, like us realm owners.
I doubt they give a shit
The fact you use realms...
Why
@@CoffeeSuccubuseasier to convince a parent to pay...
Not really. The server was basically forgotten.
@@angelopevepes so true lmao but paying 4 times more for a 10 times worse server than some good hosting is just...
I've never understood griefing. It's a video game, you don't get anything that benefits you by griefing. It's like school bullying; you only get respect from other equally sad people, and that's it.
Makes me wonder if Mojang are gonna tighten server security on Java somehow. It's become something of an issue, and while mid size servers with grief prevention measures, backups, and CoreProtect are basically safe, smaller servers ran by less tech savvy people are at risk.
of course they aren’t, it’s mojang. You’ll get 3 blocks and a retextured version of another mob instead
Just whitelist your server
Tech savvy? You call whitelisting tech savvy? It is way harder to set up a server than whitelist it and/or download a backup plugin
What do you propose? You need to understand that technology can not fix everything automatically. If you don't want random players joining your server use a whitelist. That is not difficult.
About Backups: You should back up all your data anyways, that is not Mojang's responsibility. Sure they could add an inbuilt backup method for mc worlds, but that doesn't protect your other data. You can back up your Minecraft folder just as easily as family photos or whatever else. If you use a hosting provider for your mc server they probably have a method for backups.
If you are not tech savvy, you probably shouldn't host your own server on your own computer. Mojang only makes the game, not all the other parts of the server. Your router firewall keeps you safe from many threats, a server doesn't have that. We unfortunately live in a world full of cyber crime :(
This could’ve been avoided with todays sponsor, the Sneaky Server mod for Fabric
Sneaky Server hides your real MOTD until the player has logged in atleast once
Mojang wishing they haven’t removed the “quit without saving” feature
Backups exist
I only get to play on the old Xbox 360, so WHAT and WHY would they remove it??
I see you throwing that Outer Wilds OST in there Sal! What a goated game.
Dude instant chills when I heard it start playing
0:25 off course it's the 5th column
DAMN FIFTH COLUMNISTS!!
Wow, I can't believe that someone makes a game, and the players who bought that game could do things like this.
Your use of music always brings me good feelings, especially the 14.3 billion years surprise at the end~
Outer Wilds FTW
loved the outer wilds music at the end, completely adored that game and its soundtrack
2:20 "lucaslsf - played for 14 seconds" poor guy, they didn't let him have a break at work
Will never forget when orsond joined a friends small community server flying around before being banned 30 mins later and whitelist was turned on
Based
@@orsondmc was awhile ago sometime last year i think you joined out of nowhere saw ur name and i was trying to remember where i even heard it from
I like Fanclub. They got onto the server but they clearly meant no major harm, they just built stuff.
i have noticed a steady increase in the use of Outer Wilds OST in your videos recently. much appreciated.
I like how their internal MC server is still on 1.18!
Yeah, almost as if it was the last good version of Minecraft!
Multiple mojang developers are former mod makers. Of course they're going to still play with modded servers.
Interesting how they had no whitelisting on that server in particular
it was a server they didn't care about
I'd imagine that mojang just had sent out an office invite to free workers to record the video. Why bother taking 3 minutes of effort to create a new whitelist of who responded when the server was going to be used for less than an hour anyway.
It would complicate things unnecessarily.
It was very unlikely someone found it in the first place and having to edit the whitelist before an event could cause unexpected delays.
Did not expect the Ruined King OST at 4:18
You're a League player too? Neat!!
love the addition of halo music in the background
I am loving the recent usage of outer wilds ost!
It’s crazy how people do all this for a block game
The outer wilds theme at the end caught me off guard lol
Fanclub should be new Mojang staff
Poor fan club didn’t get the recognition they deserved from Mojang
OUTER WILDS MUSIC WHOOOO
"You'd expect Mojang to be competent"
I dunno man all the talent seems to have left.
5th Column: WE GRIEFED MOJANG
Mojang: Ok. And? 🗿
"In this video, we're gonna dive _deep_ into the discovery and the eventual destruction of the holy grail of Minecraft servers."
-The video is only about 5 minutes long
About as deep as a kiddie pool it seems.
The nothing burger of minecraft servers
Every time i watch your videos i get jumpscared by the Outer Wilds music, love that game
Another fellow Outer Wilds enjoyer. Always nice to hear its music used
finishing the video with outer wilds is the cherry on top of the cake
Sals videos got me lyin on my stomach kickin my feet n shiii
Hey Duper!
so based
MUSIC AT THE END OMGGGGGG
I thought you were using Outer Wilds music in the last video, but with the end of this one, I am absolutely certain. You are making excellent use of it!
This is why we cant have anything good nowadays..
It really shows when mojang isn't using realms themselves
To be fair, they're game designers and programmers, probably not play-testers.
I will never understand griefers and their paperthin morals
Based. Best part is when you realize that most people nowadays have paperthin morals in general. That explains a big part of what’s going on.
the desire to be better than someone else either from jealousy or spite, inability to work on themselves so they take it out on others. just general lack of awareness on what respect even is
Griefing mojang owned server is okay IMO, beucase they bring light to the obvious security risk in how the servers work, but griefing random people who just play with their friends is way over the line, they are just losers with nothing better to do
@@georgeofhamiltoneither way greifers shouldnt exist. Those people are a Waste of recourses.
bragging rights and pride, it makes a lot of sense ESPECIALLY when that server is owned by a large corporation that many people dislike.
aside from that it's just the way some people want to play the game, they bought it and they're just using that sandbox for whatever brings them joy, which happens to be griefing.
I can never take my server off whitelist in fear of the fifth column
They can easily circumvent it if they want software always has a weakness but its just what picks their interest. I bet the group tought: "well the server has mojang/microsoft employees maybe we can hack mojang or microsoft using it or just ruin their server because they wont release what we want"
@@309electronics5 lol no they can't easily circumvent the whitelist. If they could, they would have griefed the other Mojang servers. And "every software has a weakness" isn't true. Many times there are ones, but there's no guarantee, especially if you are looking for something specific (like whitelist bypass). I don't think there has been a whitelist bypass exploit for Minecraft in the last 10 years, since well, its really hard to mess up.
And the only way you could MAYBE hack Mojang via a Minecraft server is an exploit with similar scale to the Log4J exploits that allowed remote code execution. Even then though, you are just going to get access to their intranet, which may or may not have anything useful.
Wait didn't the members of the Fifth Column get banned for their excessive griefing by Mojang themselves?
Or was this before they got banned?
Or did they just use alts for these shenanigans?
Too many questions. Not enough answers.
They probably buy new accounts every time they get banned. Which only means Mojang gets more money from them lol
@@salam-peace5519 you can buy used accounts for like 1$ and Mojang doesn't get any more money for that. Those accounts are usually only banned on major servers like Hypixel
Just device ban them at this point.
as someone who's met agnes before, she mentioned this server in passing and i never thought much of it, but apparently it's found now LOL
3:53 some people may find this hard to believe, not literally every person at a larger developer studio actually plays the video game. Shocker, I know.
The ones who do are actively making it, not promoting it.
Oh goddamn wasn't expecting to see a video like this. Well done to Fan Club for actually making some impressive builds and not griefing it. Fifth Column on the other hand... Bruh
Error correction: Making a minecraft server accessible to the Internet is a process, is something you decide to do. You don't "hide" it, you just wouldn't make it accessible to the Internet in the first place. You need to put them into the internet, if I can put it this way.
I think you're confused? He said the program scans for minecraft servers by pinging with an automated check to see if the ping comes back with an MOTD/Server name. This means they could ping any range of IPs.
Unless your using a localhost server without port forwarding, they could crack your IP if it was online.
Well yeah. Not all employees work in the same office. And if any needed to join while at home or travelling...
There was no gain from restricting it from the internet, and a whitelist would mean that anyone that needed to enter would have to contact an admin and get them to go to the server and edit it.
It was intentional
@@totallynottwo5727 He meant not make it accessible trough the internet, for the server to connect to the internet you have to setup a static IP, do some port forwarding, etc.
Otherwise it stays limited to a LAN. And they could use a VLAN to connect the server over the internet to specific computers.
@totallynottwo5727 That is exactly what I am talking about, but a server doesn't come with port forwarding, you configure that. Listen to what he says at 1:09. @rompevuevitos222 Im not sure what you mean, VLANs don't work directly on the internet.
@@tuothash Not out of the box. But you can connect a VLAN to the internet and it effectively acts as an extra layer of isolation.
Programs like Hamachi and Radmin provide a simple way of doing so. But you can setup your own as well.
i absolutely hate the stupid groups that grief as much as possible for no reason
edit: i’m going to specify, i don’t like when people do it on obviously private servers, like a private smp or something like this. it’s so stupid how people will use machines to find servers SPECIFICALLY so they can grief it and ruin the fun.
grrr people having fun grrrrrr >:((
griefing is awful for other people and ruins the fun, if people want to have fun they need to do it in a different way that's not destructive@@ratewcropolix
@ratewcropolix so if vandalizing stuff is absolutely fine if you have fun while doing it, i might have missed out on a lot of fun in my life, DAMN. i might smash some windows tonight and pray to the police i had a shit ton of fun while doing so. i think theyll understand.
Theres a rather large difference between griefing in games and comitting crimes and real life.@@s0resucks
@@ratewcropolixMe when I'm arrested for filling your mailbox with diarhea
Love the Outer Wilds music in your videos recently :)
Mojang modding their own game confirms just how much some of the employees actually enjoy this game. Oof
Didn't expect morning from outer wilds. Man that games soundtrack hits different
fan club was civilized and just cute, the rest is scummy
That is the kneejerk reaction to the video, yes. The video says that the first group good second group bad. But, what do *you* think?
Based.
Retaliation for chat reporting.
..,-"The Fifth Column"-,..
We are destroying other good peoples fun and wasting their time.
that was actually a quite interesting story, i didn't even know the mojang office had minecraft servers
I hope Mojang learns from this and does so necessary server fixing and maybe even an optional anti cheat for servers.
i hope they don't
@@tsuwaquesame
"Optional". They will fix it but you won't get a say when it comes to disabling the anti-cheat. It'll be like player reporting.
@@CamAlert2 You do have a say in player reporting. Just use a mod to disable chat reports, works on clients and servers.
The best anticheat is to make the logic serverside but it would burder the server because the server would calculate movements and other player actions.
People did stuff like this back during the Xbox 360 era to get into exclusive access to game beta tests and demos. This has happened with Halo, Crackdown ton iirc, and tons of other not first party Mircosoft titles too.
I love this. It just shows once again the community of Minecraft is better at tinkering with the game than Mojang itself.
halo 2 music in the background nice
awesome pfp
thank you guys
what the heck. I don't understand people who just ruin other people's fun. and to deliberately try and find a server owned by mojang and grief it knowing its by the game owners... bruh.
the first lot of people was nice and wholesome, letting mojang know and doing some cool builds. I was actually pleasantly surprised. but no that second group had to go and ruin a lovely moment
that's internet for ya
Yep. People that should be greifed irl
(Beaten and robbed of their tools of destruction)
Well, Hausmaster 2b2t fiasco has caused the abomination contained in there to let loose
@@amspook it was never contained there to begin with, its just a bad excuse people use to argue devils advocate for terrible spaces (not specifically 2b2t, but just generally any bad space/community) arguing that it is "contained there" is simply incorrect, and all those spaces do is give an entry point for people to start acting the same way too
I mean the server was already abandoned by the time they griefed it
My server got visited by a few peeps before I got around to turning on white listing. Thankfully no one griefed us though. I also got visited by the Matbot account as well one day while I was on just for the bot to remind me I should enable white listing. Which I was in the process of doing anyways. It's even easier to find my Minecraft server because it sits on an TLD so I'm not that surprised Mojang had servers found it's not like the Ipv4 address space is all that large. It regularly gets scanned by other tools and services in it's entirety for other reasons. Keep your stuff secure folks the internet is a much smaller place than it seems in a lot of ways.
Whitelist: am I a joke to you?
The Halo 2 music was nice
My server continually got spammed by these stupid auto join bots. I hate them so much
Hopefully you learned how to keep them out as a result.
@@TheBcoolGuyThe people who make them are bunch of script kiddies who are incapable of making a portscan bot that doesn't clog up the server log. I don't care about port scanning, it's the internet after all. But at least learn how to do it properly.
@@TheBcoolGuy ive had the server for a bit now, but its mostly been protected since whitelist and modded on an old version. so what ends up happening is log spam and i dont think i can do anything about it
I hope they continue doing it
2:06 "mojang isnt stupid"
XDDDDD
I wonder how the Mojang players thought of the briefing. I like that you used Halo music at the beginning.
2:09 "Mojang isnt stupid"
Buddy considering some recent updates Minecraft have been through such as the rule change, many people can say otherwise.
There are a few possible solutions.
1. Put it in an internal network behind NAT with no port forwarding and require VPN to access.
2. Do the same thing, but connect a different way (like a special ISP except not for internet but rather for intranet).
Many more solutions exist.