Black fountain pen ink comparison - what to look for
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2023
- If you want to start sketching using a fountain pen, you are going to need to understand all about fountain pen ink. It's different from drawing ink and if you put the wrong one in your pen, you might clog it up and even ruin it for ever. Most urban sketchers are looking for a black fountain pen ink, so in this short film we will look at the three types you might consider. Understanding your materials means that you can predict what they will do and there won't be any horrible surprises further down the road.
First there is standard fountain pen ink - Quink ink, something like that. Then we look at waterproof fountain pen inks such as Platinum Carbon ink and finally we consider registrar's or document ink. I'll do a quick drawing with each so you can see what's going on.
I'm using a Dollar 717i piston fountain pen here and sketching on a Moleskine sketchbook. You might like to see a sketch done entirely in Kohinoor document ink here: • Speed sketching with a... or a review of the TWSBI Eco Piston pen here: • TWSBI Eco fountain pen...
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If you like line and wash you might be interested in my book called 'Line and Wash Painting', which was published in January 2022 by The Crowood Press (www.crowood.com) and if you want more in depth training please check out my line and wash course over at www.lizchadertonstudio.co.uk. I have also written 'Painting Animals in Watercolour, so you might like that too.
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I am so glad I watched this before trying ink and watercolor. It had not occurred to me that one should use waterproof ink!
Phew! As your ink dissolved into a muddy puddle you would have cried!
Registrars ink was my preference when I was looking for a waterproof black ink before I'd every tried any of them. But it wasn't easily available at the time I wanted to purchase it, so I went with my second option of Platinum Carbon Black. Over time, I'm glad I didn't end up getting the Registrars because I needed a quick dry waterproof ink. And every comparison of waterproof fountain pen black inks makes me happier and happier with this happy circumstance of fate that prevented me buying the Registrar's ink.
yes! It was a notable difference and I was impressed with tge Carbon Black, but registrars is also fun to use the fact it does not dry quickly to your advantage. if you apply water you can get it to run and achieve line and tone from the ink.
Exactly what I was looking for, namely a good waterproof ink . . . thank you.
It is the quest of many of us!
My personal preference is for Noodler’s Lexington Gray which dries immediately and is waterproof. It’s like a dark charcoal colour rather than an intense black. I mostly use a Hong Dian Forest fountain pen with a Fude nib so I can get varying line widths depending on the angle I hold it. I got the inspiration for this from one of your previous videos so thank you for that Liz.
I am struggling to find it at a reasonable price in the UK. So many people rave about it and I want to try it.
@@LizChadertonArt I got mine from Goulet Pens in the US but you won't be able to because they no longer deal with UK customers. I guess if it seems expensive you can console yourself with the fact that it comes in a 4.5 ounce bottle which lasts a long time.
@@elainetyrrell4669 I have found some samples of the ink so will give it a try and decide if it’s worth buying the big bottle. Unfortunately a new pen seems to have jumped in the basket with the samples….
@@LizChadertonArt 😂🤣😂Yes I have several pens that jumped into my basket too. What was the "jumper"?
@@elainetyrrell4669 a Noodlers nib Creaper pen. I want to try out a flex nib!
Thank you Liz. I had already bought the platinum carbon ink after watching one of your previous videos. Yay☺️ Now I’m very interested in a permanent brown-ish ink for pen and wash too. Thx as ever. 🥰
There are so many inks. I haven’t got a permanent brown, but Noodlers would be a good place to start, they have a few shades.
Thx very much once again. 🥰
Thanks for sharing this very informational video. I have found out the hard way about that very issue with India Ink.
oh no! Was the pen ruined?
@@LizChadertonArt Nope, I let it soak to clean out the nib & such.
@@colleenmcchesney1482 that was lucky!
@@LizChadertonArt Yes, I will definitely have to give your top choice a try!
Really interesting. I find carbon ink moves quite a lot with water until it’s totally dry
I was surprised how quickly it dried, so I didn't get movement. Possibly the pen writes drier than yours?
I have Lamy Safari and Alstar pens, both with EF nibs. I tried the Quink and the Carbon ink with them. With the Quink a can draw very thin line, but with the carbon ink I am not able to do the same.
Does the carbon ink flow better?
I’m sorry, but I don’t know
Thanks for this, a great demonstration. I have been trying to research permanent blacks for my fountain pens because I didn't want to ruin them and there seem to be as many opinions as there are inks. I was surprised that you used the platinum carbon in your fountain pen as I thought that was a gum-it-up ink but I shall now give it a go. Do you have to wash it out if it's not used for a while? It's a little inconvenient to use a dip pen and bottle of ink when out and about and I've had no end of leaks, spills and splatters but I do like the quality of india ink lines!
I would wash the fountain pen out if you are not using it for say 7-10 days and flush it through. Just to be safe. I love Indian ink too!
@@LizChadertonArt Thankyou, good tip. I liked the document ink you tried also, especially the colours that ran when it was wet too soon, I enjoy those kinds of accidents. Thanks again!
Liz, What is that brand of cheap pens you have in your hand? And do you know if they are available and where in the US? What did you pay for them? That's what I would have gotten first had I known about them.
They are Dollar 717i piston fountain pens. I paid £7.99 (about $10) for ten - a bargain! I do not know if they are available in the US, but Mr Google will soon tell you!
Hi Liz 😊 I wondered if you have tried sketch ink by Rohrer & Klingner ? I think Jackson art have it as well as Amazon safe for fountain pens and the ink is water proof once dry I use aubergine un my Lamy AlStar fountain pen.
I've just got their grey ink and am yet to try it! I wanted to see if it was a good alternative to Noodlers Lexington gray which is so expensive in the UK. I will be using it in the near future, I hope. Aubergine sounds yum!
@@LizChadertonArt oh that’s brilliant! I think you will enjoy the grey - black was sold out when I looked on Sennelier website last year and so aubergine is less harsh , so, it’s worked out anyway 😊
Sitting in the doctors waiting room, or an office, it´s really boring.
So boring.
So I´ll take my scetchbook, the fointain pen and the waterbrush and begin to draw.
But I dont´t use waterproof inks but that common ink for scool.
And I LIKE to delute and blur the lines because that will produce shadows and deep.
There are a lot of colors, my preference is a dark brown, when not deluted similar to caput mortuum.
But when blured and deluted in the scetch it becames a wonderful warm reddish brown, like rust.
Like RUST ???? Yes, like fresh rust, and I like that color for scetching.
Now, my pieces of art are no real art.
But it doesn´t matter as long as it stays fun.
Best greetings from the continent. 🙂
That sounds like a wonderful way of working. What brand of ink do you use? And I agree, the enjoyment is more important than the end.
Are you sure you haven't mixed up the Document ink and the Carbon black? Document ink with a modern formulation of iron gall should cast a brown wash and the 'carbon' should be black/ grey. Could you reload pens keep them separate and re-evaluate?
hiya, they are correct, I promise. The Kohinoor document ink has a green cast - this is how it is described on the fountain pen network: ‘The colour is dark grey-black or black-grey with distinctive greenish hue, depending on paper and pen combo. It darkens over period of several minutes to several months into flat black with greenish hue.The more it darkens, the more it is resistant to any kind of wash-out.‘ What they say is that it is not a true iron gall, so I have that wrong. I though all document inks by definition were gall based.
@@LizChadertonArt Thank you
My original remark for some reason got auto-deleted and I promise I didn't curse you out! 😂 What I asked, word for word was... "Looking back at your art from 5 years ago, 10 years ago (I don't know when you began watercolor or art), what is it that you see that you have changed or improved upon now, or things you'd change about it? Thanks in advance!"
technology has a mind of its own sometimes! Big question…. confidence and the willingness to embrace not fight the chaos of watercolour…..
Hi LC.waterproof ink is important in watercolor,I like the deAtramentis waterproof ink comes in a cool bottle,I'll resell when empty,like the brass traveler fountain pens, sweet fine tip nib..those fountain pen sketches,top shelf🪜
I haven’t used it myself….yet!
@@LizChadertonArt good more bottles I can buy and resell when empty,ha..🤔
😂
D’Atramentis Document ink is waterproof and perfectly safe for fountain pens….buy online only….several colours as well as black and brown, and you can mix the colours to get a particular custom made shade.
@@annepercival7814 good stuff,lots of colors..I don't mind a few bucks more for the bottle, I like the shape..
How do the Dollar pens stand up to being left with Carbon Ink in them for a while and then coming back to them? I love my Platinum Carbon Pen as it can sit for months without being used but will still work straight away. Just wondering how you have found the cheap pens and if they can be left for a while too.
sorry I can’t answer that, as I tend to empty and flush them if I know I won’t be using them for a while
@@LizChadertonArt Ah, OK. I'm too lazy for that 😆
😁@@clairekerr