When I was young my family moved to Kenya (my dad was with the Flying Doctor Service), and I had my very own Little Miss Muffet experience. Whilst poking about in the garden I disturbed what I later discovered was a variety of trapdoor spider. These beasties are not huge, but they've got enormous fangs. They're strong, fast, fearless and aggressive. It ran up my leg and bit me on the shin (ankle socks = bad idea). The bite was a bit like a wasp sting, but the spider didn't just nip and let go; it chewed. I screamed, shook the thing off and ran indoors. The area became hot, swollen and 'soggy' - like an injection gone bad - and turned a nasty brown-black colour. Much itching, bandaging and Savlon later it healed without a scar, but I've not been comfortable around spiders ever since. When we moved back to England I was teased mercilessly by mates who couldn't see what all the fuss was about - house spiders in the UK are timid creatures - but I still keep out of their way. Once bitten, twice shy. Sorry that this had nothing much to do with the nursery rhyme, but... Well... Y'know. Spiders. Eeek.
Wow, what a terrifying experience! 😱 How unsettling that must have been, especially with a spider that chews! 😳. Your very own Little Miss Muffet moment indeed! I completely understand your caution around spiders after that 🕷🖤
I am almost there in my catching up. You truly are magnificent. I am almost 61, and I remember this nursery Ryme being read to me by my mum. (She would have loved you) she died when I was 20. I get my curiosity from her so that's why I love your channel. People if you are not following this amazing young woman YOU MUST. . Take care my "friend" . Your fellow darkling , Chris
Thank you so much, Chris! Your kind words truly mean the world to me :) It sounds like your mum passed down a wonderful curiosity to you. I'm honoured that you're part of this darkling community and really appreciate you being here. Take care, my friend 🖤
In the past Ive often wondered if the tuffet was an evolution of Toft the Saxon for cow field as in Lowestoft translated as Lowe’s cow field… “Lowe being the owner of the land”. And it would connect some dots with curds and whey being as you mentioned the by product of cheese making from the cattle of that particular Toft being a treat for that young girl…?. I also agree with the thought you mentioned about the spider being someone with ill intent and the rhyme almost being like the modern version of stranger danger but for the children of farmers…?. What do you think? @TheResurrectionists…?. 👍🏻
I was always under the impression that a "tuffet" was a milking stool, so that would tie in with what you're saying . All of these old rhymes are so fascinating .
I love that interpretation! The connection to Saxon roots, with "toft" meaning cow field, makes so much sense 🖤 What a brilliant observation! That could well be where the confusion of the tuffet being a milking stool came from!
@@The-Resurrectionists yeah it definitely makes me wonder as we all know with Saxon to old French to old English to modern English some of our worlds have morphed and evolved rather than outright changed having been kept verbally but spelt phonetically by conquering forces and some times sounding different with different accents?👍🏻. But it’s still amazing that with all our records and all our history there are still some amazing things still to discover?. And some that we might never find out the truth.
I grew up in Yorkshire in a small village called Idle,and there was a well known Lady who was known as Polly Flinders who always was there when anyone needed help,or someone to talk to.Thank you dark one.👍👍
Thank you so much! :) Both theories are really compelling, aren't they? It’s one of those rhymes that leaves so much room for interpretation. Glad you enjoyed it! 🖤
I've been sub'd to your channel for quite some time now and decided it was due time to leave a comment of gratitude for all of the hours of content you have provided us with. The topics you cover are so fascinating! The visual images and audio are superbly done, expertly crafted and the facts are presented to us are in such a historically rich and educational format- of which NEVER strays to borderline boredom. Thank you for doing what you do, it is MOST appreciated! 😊 💙❤💜
The curds and whey is specific to only one of those possibilities, and that's the one about the doctor's daughter. It doesn't appear at all in any of the other possible origins. I have always thought there are no wasted words in these rhymes, just meaningful ones. And it's a nice thought that every nursery rhyme should have a pertinent history encoded into it, but life has taught me that's not always so. Sometimes a rhyme is just a clever collection of words.
Thank you I grew up in India in British founded school and we learnt all these wonderful rhymes at school. We l9ved them all as children never knowing how they originated.
Beautifully narrated, a perfect vocal tone thats so rare these days. Thank you, your research and video productions are impeccable, your delivery is warm and appealing.☺️
I personally, based on nothing but your video, think the old story/may day game origin is the most likely. But with real life events as the spider doctor and the queen being really close to the tale, making a particular version stand out more and survive longer.
Wonderful exploration of the rhyme. I see no reason all three possibility cannot be true at the same time. Certainly the idea of Knox's attacks on Mary combines easily with the Puritan condemnation of traditional folk celebrations, in both cases a cold, Protestant determination to wipe out the perceived licentiousness of a Catholic court. The real Patience Muffet and her entomologist father could have added their identities to a version of the already existing rhyme, which for reasons you have pointed out, became the most enduring one.
Absolutely, it’s possible all these interpretations weave together into one complex narrative! I think that’s what makes these rhymes so enduring-their ability to carry different stories and histories while still feeling relevant. The layers just keep unfolding 🖤
coming back from holiday and seeing a new video of you makes coming home even more joyful! An interesting story and very interesting versions of explanation. Thank you!
I don't know how this video slipped by and two weeks later I see it. We just did Frankenstein last week and the Magpies before that and you had been gone. Anyways, Another great video and classic well known nursery rhyme. I have to say that your rearch for every one of these videos is so well done. This video is especially thought provoking. Any one of the real life social and political situations that could be the basis and real life subject for Little Miss Muffet. Sometimes one real life scenario or historical moment seems to fit better than the other event(s), but each of the "coincidence" events seem to be just as compelling and feasible as the others to be the core of this very famous and well known Mother Goose nursery rhyme. I have nothing to add. This will be eating away at my brain and causing sleepless nights if I let it. LOL
So many of these rhymes seem to have a possible origin after or during the reformation mostly in the time of Mary I or Elizabeth I. It must have been a really bad time to be religious.
Differing religions have been the cause of conflict throughout history. Sadly, in certain parts of the world, religious disputes continue to create misery and mayhem.
You’re absolutely right! 🖤The Reformation brought about such a turbulent time, and many of these rhymes seem to reflect that. It must have been incredibly difficult to navigate life back then-so much upheaval and danger.
Another great video, so facinating! Could you please tell me the name of that beautiful haunting piece of music towards the end of the video? I noticed another commenter asked the same. Thank you ❤
I love seeing that you’ve posted a new video! I think it’s interesting that this whole genre of rhymes existed that we barely are aware of. Like Jack Horner.
Thank you so much! 🖤 There are so many of these hidden gems, like Polly Flinders and General Monk, that certainly wouldn’t be considered suitable for children today. I’d love to explore these forgotten rhymes in a future video-some of them are surprisingly dark and disturbing!
Hi Ms. Res, Stu from Connecticut here! I could have been one of your first Comments yesterday but had a very busy Saturday and had to wait to watch… I remember Junket! I found an old box in the back of the pantry and may have saved it. I’ll have to look! Thanks for another well researched presentation! 😊
Thank you so much for watching Stu! I’m delighted you enjoyed the video 🖤 I'd forgotten all about Junket until I started researching this video, it seems to have fallen out of fashion now doesn't it?
Good analysis. There is a parallelism and it is fun to think it has a dual meaning. It is interesting too how you say it survived while the other fell out of fashion, quite true.
Thank you so much! Yes, the game played to Farmer in the Dell is very similar to Sally Waters and likely shares a common origin in the cushion dances of the 17th century. As for the rhyme itself, I'll need to do a bit more digging-I'll definitely add it to my list for future research! 🖤
Always well researched it certainly make you think like all of your stories and the way it's narrated make it all the more too listen again it's best on U tube without a doubt a massive thank you
My older sister taught me that nursery rhyme, but she linda changed the end. 😊 little miss muffett sat on her tuffett eating her curds and whey, along came a spider and sat down beside her. She beat it to death with her spoon. I really miss my sister.❤
The singing game about the sad girl who gets married reminds me of the one they played at my primary school "Poor Jenny sits a- weeping." Same scenario, although the tune is probably different.
Dr. Muffet! Wow. I didn’t know! But Knocks and Mary I didn’t see that coming. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for playing Gnossienne no. 1. Great video and I think I’m leaning more toward Queen Mary story 😊
IS IT POSSIBLE with how things are termed, COULD Jon Knox be a SPY or double agent as they are referred to as Spiders... AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S REAL... Some one PLEASE give us the name of the Background Music... I have been hunting for it since I first heard it YEARS AGO when I was 25... Here I am almost 50 and STILL have not located the name or the piece and I LOVE CLASSICAL MUSIC so it drives me nuts when I hear it. I once was pulling my hair out trying to find Paganini's Caprice No.24 with out knowing it name or who did it... I heard it when I was little and for nearly 20yrs was hunting for it... UNTIL SOMEONE DID A DOCUMENTARY ON THE "DEVIL'S VIOLINIST", this musical piece is out doing Paganini Caprice No.24... ARTIST AND NAME OF THE PIECE PLEASE!!! And no Chrome's Listen and Answer feature does not work when there is talking over it.
That’s such an interesting idea! Could Knox have been a "spider" in the metaphorical sense, like a spy? 🕷 I love how rhymes like this open up so many interpretations! As for the music, it's Erik Satie, Gnossiennes No. 1 - beautiful, isn't it? 🖤
Mate how on earth can we /I promote that voice/You. I think you are shy but bloody hell mate you are incredible. I am not an expert but I know brilliance when I see/hear it. I am old, so I know well. Thank you again
If someone wanted to feed me spiders, whatever the reason, I sure as heck wouldn't want to know about it. And all the 'curds and whey' foods sound really good.
Lol after seeing so many of these videos I'm like 'ok so little miss muffet is either Marie Antoinette or Mary queen of scots' as the girls in these rhymes so often are.
Most probably it's warning to little girls of possible danger of unknown people with evil intentions. Polly Flinders rhyme is actually warning if you indulge in illicit relationship mother will not spare u. It' s basically courtship warning.
Another possible avenue to explore for future programs is words. Common words can have unusual origins or significance, fury, hair and familiar. Or words like ‘hocus pocus’ which people think they know what it’s about but they’re wrong.
That’s a brilliant idea! Words like ‘hocus pocus’ and others with unusual origins would be fascinating to explore. I’ll add it to my list for future videos! 🖤
Today, we can see some memes that take popular songs, and rearrange the lyrics to suit a rhetorical point, I see. I suspect that these rhymes are an early form of memes, saying political things under cover of childrens' rhymes, perhaps? So, the original rhyme may have been usurped for a newer political purpose, in many cases, perhaps? This sounds like an early form of meme practice, to me, when you explain the backgrounds of some of them. See? You got me thinking outside the box? Thanks.
Little Miss Muffet Little Miss Muffet, Sat on a tuffet, her knickers all tattered and torn, It wasn't a spider that sat down beside her, but little boy blue and his ... Unfortunately i cant remember the last bit :P
How about a deep darkling dive into the irresponsible adults in the ol' "Boy Who Cried Wolf" story??? If you decide to take it on, I would be more than happy to share a more enlightened version, or two that I have heard utelized. And my source could be contacted as well. I dont know if he is the origin of his versions, or not- as he so clearly cuts thru the crap on many topics!! 🤗☯️🎭💜
I would say that people are way over thinking things, but then I look at some of the modern supernatural/sci-fi shows that have pretty specific metaphors referring to current events and I reconsider.
In the 1960s I was taught a tuffet was a raised clump of grass. Im going to go for entomologists daughter. A muffet is also a type of bird named for the ruff of fearhers around its neck, though i dont see how this would relate to the rhyme
@@grahambeale9543 THANK YOU SO MUCH... I hear this tune a lot since I first heard it roughly 10 or so years ago and have been ripping my hair out trying to find the name of the composer and tune ever since. Was the same way with Caprice No. 24 by Paganini except that only took a few years cause a Documentary on Paganini came out and answered that question for me.
Hello my dark lady, I would tend to lean toward Mary, Queen of Scotts. Such metaphor would indeed show the Queen trying to maintain her rule over England and Scotland in a, let's say, an innocent, but wanting Catholic rule, while her, Black Widow, was busily making his web around her not only to frightening her, but dethrone and to get ride of her as a spider would an insect that lands in it's web. And so he did. Halloween is coming up my darkness. Have you any wonderful horrific rhymes to share? How about "What are little boys made of?" Or "Who killed Cock Robin?" Thank you, my dark lady.
The simplest explanation is the most likely imho and so Miss Muffet was the daughter of a doctor who studied creepy crawlies. On the other hand, that story is less likely to have any social significance and it's difficult to see how it would have spread from a domestic tale to such widespread usage. I was wondering if there was any connection to the town of Moffat in Dumfriesshire Cannot find any connection, though the last place Mary, Queen of Scots stayed in Scotland was Dundrennan Abbey in Dumfries and Galloway after the Battle of Langside in 1568, just south of Glasgow. However, a curator named Julia Moffat "help(ed) set up the 2024 Mary Queen of Scots display" which icluded Mary's prayer stool, that, "was one of Mary Queen of Scots most prized possessions which provided her with spiritual comfort during her long years as a captive in England." So, it could be that the prayer stool was the famous tuffet of the rhyme. Going out on a limb here so take the delicacy with a pinch of salt, the curds and whet may have been a reference to Mary's Catholic prayer book, and or bible. Maybe a reference to: Isaiah 7:15 "He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right" *Mary Queen of Scots prayer chair to appear at Borderlands museum 13th January HeraldScotland dot com (all lower case) Hope that helps and is of interest.
That’s such an intriguing connection to Mary Queen of Scots! 🖤 I love the idea of the curds and whey referencing the bible, and the prayer stool could well be the tuffet! Food for thought indeed! 😊
Honestly, my take is that it's a simple rhyme referring to a much deeper set of events. I could very well see it as metaphor for Queen Mary and John Knox, but she fled Scotland for a number of reasons that had little to do with John Knox and more to do with her unpopularity with a majority of the Scottish elite. It could also be a metaphor for the onset of the English Civil War (something you'd be more familiar with than an American like me). Miss Muffet would of course be the monarchy, "eating her curds and whey" a symbol of the riches of the royal court, and the spider of course would be the Parliamentarians led by Cromwell, who "frightened her away" by banishing the monarchy. It's actually a great nursery rhyme to speculate on whether or not it had a much deeper meaning than just being a nonsense thing for kids to say. (And if I haven't mentioned it before, I love that the name of the channel itself has a dual meaning).
You bring up such great points! 🖤 It could easily carry multiple layers of meaning, whether it’s Queen Mary, the English Civil War, or something else entirely. And yes, the channel name has its own playful double meaning-glad you caught that! 😊
I was raised on nursery rhymes and songs and give books of them as baby gifts. However, I promise to not reveal the real meanings to innocent babies and children!
Very interesting historical speculations....but no. I'll go with the young daughter of Sir Muffet. I do love these little historical snippets though, exposing the cruel and somewhat depraved nature of Merry Old England. Sad about May Poles and Puritans. In Massachusetts they stormed a few May Pole celebrations, tearing down the pole and sending the landowner packing back to England.
Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my channel 🖤And yes, it's sad to think of the puritans destroying maypoles, but it's heartening to see that many English towns are now reviving May Day celebrations and keeping our old folk traditions alive :)
Oh little miss muffit she sat on her tuffit her knickers all tattered and torn it wasn't the spider that sat down beside her twas little boy blue with his horn 😂😂😂😂
Why is the word "bloody" deemed to be offensive in the UK but not in the Americas, I wonder. When Mary acquired the nickname -- there's a topic for you? -- I suspect that if an official overheard the word the speaker would likely be charged, so the kids were told not to say it because it's a bad word? Thus, it became by tradition? Also, the "F" word is reputed to be an acronym for "found using carnal knowledge." Any truth to such speculations, I wonder.
( 1st like to this comment 👆 ) I heard that the F word originally was acromion for Fornication Under Command of the King ( during mediaeval UK period ) . ♑✍️🇳🇴🇦🇺
Mary Mary Quite Contrary is often linked to Mary, Queen of Scots as well. But these nursery rhymes do love to overlap in meaning! The connections can be surprising 🖤
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These rymes kind of remind me of Nosterdomus his qutrains where generalized so as he was being called out by the church. The nursery rymed kind of the same way. Made it possible to make a political statment with out being called out.
Perhaps Miss Muffet was not supposed to be eating her curds and whey. She may have been misbehaving by not tending to her chores, instead being lazy and gluttonous.
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When I was young my family moved to Kenya (my dad was with the Flying Doctor Service), and I had my very own Little Miss Muffet experience. Whilst poking about in the garden I disturbed what I later discovered was a variety of trapdoor spider.
These beasties are not huge, but they've got enormous fangs. They're strong, fast, fearless and aggressive. It ran up my leg and bit me on the shin (ankle socks = bad idea).
The bite was a bit like a wasp sting, but the spider didn't just nip and let go; it chewed. I screamed, shook the thing off and ran indoors. The area became hot, swollen and 'soggy' - like an injection gone bad - and turned a nasty brown-black colour. Much itching, bandaging and Savlon later it healed without a scar, but I've not been comfortable around spiders ever since.
When we moved back to England I was teased mercilessly by mates who couldn't see what all the fuss was about - house spiders in the UK are timid creatures - but I still keep out of their way. Once bitten, twice shy.
Sorry that this had nothing much to do with the nursery rhyme, but... Well... Y'know. Spiders. Eeek.
Spiders. No thanks!
Wow, what a terrifying experience! 😱 How unsettling that must have been, especially with a spider that chews! 😳. Your very own Little Miss Muffet moment indeed! I completely understand your caution around spiders after that 🕷🖤
I am almost there in my catching up. You truly are magnificent.
I am almost 61, and I remember this nursery Ryme being read to me by my mum. (She would have loved you) she died when I was 20. I get my curiosity from her so that's why I love your channel.
People if you are not following this amazing young woman YOU MUST. .
Take care my "friend" . Your fellow darkling , Chris
Thank you so much, Chris! Your kind words truly mean the world to me :) It sounds like your mum passed down a wonderful curiosity to you. I'm honoured that you're part of this darkling community and really appreciate you being here. Take care, my friend 🖤
In the past Ive often wondered if the tuffet was an evolution of Toft the Saxon for cow field as in Lowestoft translated as Lowe’s cow field… “Lowe being the owner of the land”. And it would connect some dots with curds and whey being as you mentioned the by product of cheese making from the cattle of that particular Toft being a treat for that young girl…?. I also agree with the thought you mentioned about the spider being someone with ill intent and the rhyme almost being like the modern version of stranger danger but for the children of farmers…?. What do you think? @TheResurrectionists…?. 👍🏻
I was always under the impression that a "tuffet" was a milking stool, so that would tie in with what you're saying . All of these old rhymes are so fascinating .
I love that interpretation! The connection to Saxon roots, with "toft" meaning cow field, makes so much sense 🖤 What a brilliant observation! That could well be where the confusion of the tuffet being a milking stool came from!
@@The-Resurrectionists yeah it definitely makes me wonder as we all know with Saxon to old French to old English to modern English some of our worlds have morphed and evolved rather than outright changed having been kept verbally but spelt phonetically by conquering forces and some times sounding different with different accents?👍🏻. But it’s still amazing that with all our records and all our history there are still some amazing things still to discover?. And some that we might never find out the truth.
Seeing as how they used a lot of metaphors back in those days, it wouldn’t surprise me if a little Miss Moffett was a metaphor for Mary Queen of Scots
Absolutely! It’s incredible how a simple rhyme can hold so much beneath the surface 🖤
I grew up in Yorkshire in a small village called Idle,and there was a well known Lady who was known as Polly Flinders who always was there when anyone needed help,or someone to talk to.Thank you dark one.👍👍
Perfect timing for my lunch break! What a joyous day!
So glad my video could accompany your lunch break! 🖤 Thank you for watching/commenting :)
Mary Queen of Scots seems plausible but so does the puritan scenario....
As ever well researched and interesting.
Well done 👏 😊
Thank you so much! :) Both theories are really compelling, aren't they? It’s one of those rhymes that leaves so much room for interpretation. Glad you enjoyed it! 🖤
I was just thinking of your channel today, and The Lady Who Swallowed A Fly. Love your channel, excellent research and narration.
I agree. Watching the latest episode is always something to look forward to!💜
Thank you so much! The Lady Who Swallowed a Fly is definitely one I could dive into in the future, so much dark whimsy there 🖤
"Curds and whey": Literally, cottage cheese. The curdier and whey-ier the better, I've been eating it all my life.
I've been sub'd to your channel for quite some time now and decided it was due time to leave a comment of gratitude for all of the hours of content you have provided us with. The topics you cover are so fascinating! The visual images and audio are superbly done, expertly crafted and the facts are presented to us are in such a historically rich and educational format- of which NEVER strays to borderline boredom. Thank you for doing what you do, it is MOST appreciated! 😊
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The curds and whey is specific to only one of those possibilities, and that's the one about the doctor's daughter. It doesn't appear at all in any of the other possible origins. I have always thought there are no wasted words in these rhymes, just meaningful ones.
And it's a nice thought that every nursery rhyme should have a pertinent history encoded into it, but life has taught me that's not always so. Sometimes a rhyme is just a clever collection of words.
Boom. Love this channel!
That makes me so happy to hear! :) 🖤
Thank you I grew up in India in British founded school and we learnt all these wonderful rhymes at school. We l9ved them all as children never knowing how they originated.
Gorgeous writing - again.
I'm thrilled to hear that! Thank you for your support 🖤
I thought of you the other day when Baa Baa Black Sheep came into my head for no apparent reason
Beautifully narrated, a perfect vocal tone thats so rare these days. Thank you, your research and video productions are impeccable, your delivery is warm and appealing.☺️
I personally, based on nothing but your video, think the old story/may day game origin is the most likely. But with real life events as the spider doctor and the queen being really close to the tale, making a particular version stand out more and survive longer.
Wonderful exploration of the rhyme. I see no reason all three possibility cannot be true at the same time. Certainly the idea of Knox's attacks on Mary combines easily with the Puritan condemnation of traditional folk celebrations, in both cases a cold, Protestant determination to wipe out the perceived licentiousness of a Catholic court. The real Patience Muffet and her entomologist father could have added their identities to a version of the already existing rhyme, which for reasons you have pointed out, became the most enduring one.
Absolutely, it’s possible all these interpretations weave together into one complex narrative! I think that’s what makes these rhymes so enduring-their ability to carry different stories and histories while still feeling relevant. The layers just keep unfolding 🖤
coming back from holiday and seeing a new video of you makes coming home even more joyful! An interesting story and very interesting versions of explanation. Thank you!
I loved it! 💙 Perfect ending to an awesome day! Thank you for being a part of it.
I’m so glad it added to your day! 🖤 Thank you for always being here with such kind words 😊
I am so glad I stumbled upon your channel!!! 🖤🖤🖤
I don't know how this video slipped by and two weeks later I see it. We just did Frankenstein last week and the Magpies before that and you had been gone. Anyways,
Another great video and classic well known nursery rhyme.
I have to say that your rearch for every one of these videos is so well done. This video is especially thought provoking. Any one of the real life social and political situations that could be the basis and real life subject for Little Miss Muffet.
Sometimes one real life scenario or historical moment seems to fit better than the other event(s), but each of the "coincidence" events seem to be just as compelling and feasible as the others to be the core of this very famous and well known Mother Goose nursery rhyme.
I have nothing to add. This will be eating away at my brain and causing sleepless nights if I let it. LOL
So many of these rhymes seem to have a possible origin after or during the reformation mostly in the time of Mary I or Elizabeth I.
It must have been a really bad time to be religious.
Differing religions have been the cause of conflict throughout history.
Sadly, in certain parts of the world, religious disputes continue to create misery and mayhem.
A worse time for the tolerant and the non-religious!
You’re absolutely right! 🖤The Reformation brought about such a turbulent time, and many of these rhymes seem to reflect that. It must have been incredibly difficult to navigate life back then-so much upheaval and danger.
Another great video, so facinating! Could you please tell me the name of that beautiful haunting piece of music towards the end of the video? I noticed another commenter asked the same. Thank you ❤
Yes, PLEASE!
Erik Satie - Gnossienne No 1
@@khrystinamarina Thank you!
It's Erik Satie, Gnossiennes No. 1 - beautiful, isn't it? 🖤 :)
I love seeing that you’ve posted a new video! I think it’s interesting that this whole genre of rhymes existed that we barely are aware of. Like Jack Horner.
Thank you so much! 🖤 There are so many of these hidden gems, like Polly Flinders and General Monk, that certainly wouldn’t be considered suitable for children today. I’d love to explore these forgotten rhymes in a future video-some of them are surprisingly dark and disturbing!
Hi Ms. Res, Stu from Connecticut here! I could have been one of your first Comments yesterday but had a very busy Saturday and
had to wait to watch… I remember Junket! I found an old box in the back of the pantry and may have saved it. I’ll have to look!
Thanks for another well researched presentation! 😊
Thank you so much for watching Stu! I’m delighted you enjoyed the video 🖤 I'd forgotten all about Junket until I started researching this video, it seems to have fallen out of fashion now doesn't it?
Our Nocturnal Princess graced us with another video 🎉
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Good analysis. There is a parallelism and it is fun to think it has a dual meaning. It is interesting too how you say it survived while the other fell out of fashion, quite true.
Thank you! 🖤
Great one.
What about The Farmer in the Dell?
Yes there's so many great ones she can cover!
Also. "Old mother Hubbard"
Thank you so much! Yes, the game played to Farmer in the Dell is very similar to Sally Waters and likely shares a common origin in the cushion dances of the 17th century. As for the rhyme itself, I'll need to do a bit more digging-I'll definitely add it to my list for future research! 🖤
Great video 👍🏻 I'm going with the the dance origin as the first was gross feeding spiders 🕷 to people 🤢 Looking forward your next one 😁
Love the illustrations of the rhyme.
Another interesting feature!
Thank you so much! 🖤
Fascinating! As always, well done and it just makes you wonder!
Thank you so much :) 🖤
Always well researched it certainly make you think like all of your stories and the way it's narrated make it all the more too listen again it's best on U tube without a doubt a massive thank you
Thank you! Your support makes all the hard work worth it :) 🖤
I remember a cartoon from the 90s about a bug highschool. There was an episode where the school received a visit from the famous celebrity A. Spider!
My older sister taught me that nursery rhyme, but she linda changed the end. 😊 little miss muffett sat on her tuffett eating her curds and whey, along came a spider and sat down beside her. She beat it to death with her spoon. I really miss my sister.❤
That’s funny! 😂 Your sister must have had quite the sense of humour-it’s a wonderful way to remember her 🖤
A Warrior woman indeed!
I like your version better ❤
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Thank you so much I really enjoyed this tail ..😱
The singing game about the sad girl who gets married reminds me of the one they played at my primary school "Poor Jenny sits a- weeping." Same scenario, although the tune is probably different.
Another fantastic video!
Thank you, darkling! 🖤 So glad you enjoyed it!
Dr. Muffet! Wow. I didn’t know! But Knocks and Mary I didn’t see that coming. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for playing Gnossienne no. 1. Great video and I think I’m leaning more toward Queen Mary story 😊
I'm so happy you enjoyed it! Thank you! 🖤Gnossiennes No. 1 is such a hauntingly beautiful piece-I'm delighted to see it has so many fans here! 😊
I’m not too surprised. You’ve built up a wonderful community of fans here! @@The-Resurrectionists
I have long believed the spider was a predictor 😢
The Mary Queen of Scots is a new angle that I can believe as well, sure of tying the two together. ❤
Growing up constantly surrounded by spiders, it hardly seems she would've been particularly spooked by one. ✌️
Growing up with spiders definitely makes you wonder why Miss Muffet was so spooked! Perhaps she encountered a particularly intimidating one… 🕷
IS IT POSSIBLE with how things are termed, COULD Jon Knox be a SPY or double agent as they are referred to as Spiders... AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S REAL... Some one PLEASE give us the name of the Background Music... I have been hunting for it since I first heard it YEARS AGO when I was 25... Here I am almost 50 and STILL have not located the name or the piece and I LOVE CLASSICAL MUSIC so it drives me nuts when I hear it. I once was pulling my hair out trying to find Paganini's Caprice No.24 with out knowing it name or who did it... I heard it when I was little and for nearly 20yrs was hunting for it... UNTIL SOMEONE DID A DOCUMENTARY ON THE "DEVIL'S VIOLINIST", this musical piece is out doing Paganini Caprice No.24... ARTIST AND NAME OF THE PIECE PLEASE!!! And no Chrome's Listen and Answer feature does not work when there is talking over it.
That’s such an interesting idea! Could Knox have been a "spider" in the metaphorical sense, like a spy? 🕷 I love how rhymes like this open up so many interpretations! As for the music, it's Erik Satie, Gnossiennes No. 1 - beautiful, isn't it? 🖤
Long forgotten origins.. Morphed to suit the ages.... 👻
**whispers** Imma Darkling. 🌚
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I enjoyed this very much, especially the beautiful illustrations. Thank you L.♥♥♥♥
Thank you so much! 🖤 I’m so glad you enjoyed the illustrations-they really help bring the rhyme’s world to life. 😊
Thanks, great research!😊
Glad you liked it! Thanks for the support! 🖤
Many of these childhood
nursery rhymes were based on
actual people and events, but
had to be " coded " because of
the strict censorship of the time.
Mate how on earth can we /I promote that voice/You. I think you are shy but bloody hell mate you are incredible.
I am not an expert but I know brilliance when I see/hear it. I am old, so I know well.
Thank you again
If someone wanted to feed me spiders, whatever the reason, I sure as heck wouldn't want to know about it. And all the 'curds and whey' foods sound really good.
Your videos are incredible
I quite like the sound of scandalous 17th century drinking celebrations... not so keen on puritans though.
Haha, yes I can see the appeal of the 17th-century drinking dance 🍻-they certainly knew how to enjoy themselves!
I have a request for your research into Wee Willie Winkie this one terrified me as child.
Wee Willie Winkie certainly has a creepy undertone! I’ll add it to my list :) 🖤
6:25 i wanna watch Footloose now!
Lol after seeing so many of these videos I'm like 'ok so little miss muffet is either Marie Antoinette or Mary queen of scots' as the girls in these rhymes so often are.
Most probably it's warning to little girls of possible danger of unknown people with evil intentions. Polly Flinders rhyme is actually warning if you indulge in illicit relationship mother will not spare u. It' s basically courtship warning.
Another possible avenue to explore for future programs is words. Common words can have unusual origins or significance, fury, hair and familiar. Or words like ‘hocus pocus’ which people think they know what it’s about but they’re wrong.
That’s a brilliant idea! Words like ‘hocus pocus’ and others with unusual origins would be fascinating to explore. I’ll add it to my list for future videos! 🖤
Today, we can see some memes that take popular songs, and rearrange the lyrics to suit a rhetorical point, I see.
I suspect that these rhymes are an early form of memes, saying political things under cover of childrens' rhymes, perhaps?
So, the original rhyme may have been usurped for a newer political purpose, in many cases, perhaps?
This sounds like an early form of meme practice, to me, when you explain the backgrounds of some of them.
See? You got me thinking outside the box? Thanks.
You're right! Nursery rhymes were often used like memes, subtly commenting on political or social issues. Glad I could get you thinking! :) 🖤
Little Miss Muffet
Little Miss Muffet,
Sat on a tuffet,
her knickers all tattered and torn,
It wasn't a spider that sat down beside her,
but little boy blue and his ...
Unfortunately i cant remember the last bit :P
Haha, I think many have heard that cheeky version at some point! 😂
In my opinion this innocent rhyme is just that. As for the tuffet, I've always seen it as a cushioned seat of sorts, but none in particular.
How about a deep darkling dive into the irresponsible adults in the ol' "Boy Who Cried Wolf" story??? If you decide to take it on, I would be more than happy to share a more enlightened version, or two that I have heard utelized. And my source could be contacted as well. I dont know if he is the origin of his versions, or not- as he so clearly cuts thru the crap on many topics!! 🤗☯️🎭💜
I would say that people are way over thinking things, but then I look at some of the modern supernatural/sci-fi shows that have pretty specific metaphors referring to current events and I reconsider.
In the 1960s I was taught a tuffet was a raised clump of grass. Im going to go for entomologists daughter. A muffet is also a type of bird named for the ruff of fearhers around its neck, though i dont see how this would relate to the rhyme
Anyone know the name of the piece playing in the background from 4:26?
Erik Satie , Gnossiennes.
@@grahambeale9543 THANK YOU SO MUCH... I hear this tune a lot since I first heard it roughly 10 or so years ago and have been ripping my hair out trying to find the name of the composer and tune ever since. Was the same way with Caprice No. 24 by Paganini except that only took a few years cause a Documentary on Paganini came out and answered that question for me.
It's Erik Satie, Gnossiennes No. 1 - beautiful, isn't it? 🖤 :)
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I don't know.but I enjoyed the video so thank you
You're very welcome! Thank you for watching :) 🖤
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Hello my dark lady,
I would tend to lean toward Mary, Queen of Scotts.
Such metaphor would indeed show the Queen trying to maintain her rule over England and Scotland in a, let's say, an innocent, but wanting Catholic rule, while her, Black Widow, was busily making his web around her not only to frightening her, but dethrone and to get ride of her as a spider would an insect that lands in it's web.
And so he did.
Halloween is coming up my darkness.
Have you any wonderful horrific rhymes to share?
How about "What are little boys made of?"
Or "Who killed Cock Robin?"
Thank you, my dark lady.
The simplest explanation is the most likely imho and so Miss Muffet was the daughter of a doctor who studied creepy crawlies.
On the other hand, that story is less likely to have any social significance and it's difficult to see how it would have spread from a domestic tale to such widespread usage.
I was wondering if there was any connection to the town of Moffat in Dumfriesshire
Cannot find any connection, though the last place Mary, Queen of Scots stayed in Scotland was Dundrennan Abbey in Dumfries and Galloway after the Battle of Langside in 1568, just south of Glasgow.
However, a curator named Julia Moffat "help(ed) set up the 2024 Mary Queen of Scots display" which icluded Mary's prayer stool, that, "was one of Mary Queen of Scots most prized possessions which provided her with spiritual comfort during her long years as a captive in England."
So, it could be that the prayer stool was the famous tuffet of the rhyme.
Going out on a limb here so take the delicacy with a pinch of salt, the curds and whet may have been a reference to Mary's Catholic prayer book, and or bible.
Maybe a reference to: Isaiah 7:15
"He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right"
*Mary Queen of Scots prayer chair to appear at Borderlands museum
13th January
HeraldScotland dot com (all lower case)
Hope that helps and is of interest.
That’s such an intriguing connection to Mary Queen of Scots! 🖤 I love the idea of the curds and whey referencing the bible, and the prayer stool could well be the tuffet! Food for thought indeed! 😊
Have a wonderful weekend. 😊
"Little General Monk" sounds a lot like "Little Jack Horner"
Honestly, my take is that it's a simple rhyme referring to a much deeper set of events. I could very well see it as metaphor for Queen Mary and John Knox, but she fled Scotland for a number of reasons that had little to do with John Knox and more to do with her unpopularity with a majority of the Scottish elite.
It could also be a metaphor for the onset of the English Civil War (something you'd be more familiar with than an American like me). Miss Muffet would of course be the monarchy, "eating her curds and whey" a symbol of the riches of the royal court, and the spider of course would be the Parliamentarians led by Cromwell, who "frightened her away" by banishing the monarchy.
It's actually a great nursery rhyme to speculate on whether or not it had a much deeper meaning than just being a nonsense thing for kids to say.
(And if I haven't mentioned it before, I love that the name of the channel itself has a dual meaning).
You bring up such great points! 🖤 It could easily carry multiple layers of meaning, whether it’s Queen Mary, the English Civil War, or something else entirely. And yes, the channel name has its own playful double meaning-glad you caught that! 😊
It could have been a theme that evolved with time, changing its meaning as it was readapted to depict new events.
I was raised on nursery rhymes and songs and give books of them as baby gifts. However, I promise to not reveal the real meanings to innocent babies and children!
I love your tradition of gifting nursery rhymes! 🖤But yes, some things are best left mysterious for the little ones… 😉
The connection to John Knox seems too deliberate here.
Spins a web, any size. Scares away Miss Muffet just like flies.
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I'm wondering if some or all of the stories may have been blended over time and evolved into what we know today.
Spider and web...spy.
Very interesting historical speculations....but no. I'll go with the young daughter of Sir Muffet. I do love these little historical snippets though, exposing the cruel and somewhat depraved nature of Merry Old England. Sad about May Poles and Puritans. In Massachusetts they stormed a few May Pole celebrations, tearing down the pole and sending the landowner packing back to England.
Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my channel 🖤And yes, it's sad to think of the puritans destroying maypoles, but it's heartening to see that many English towns are now reviving May Day celebrations and keeping our old folk traditions alive :)
He fed her SPIDERS??
Oh little miss muffit she sat on her tuffit her knickers all tattered and torn it wasn't the spider that sat down beside her twas little boy blue with his horn 😂😂😂😂
Ah, the alternate version! 😂
Rhymes "from a common source?'
That reminds me of "limericks" reputedly of bawdy rhymes.
What a name Patience Muffet ?
Isn’t it fantastic? A doctor naming his daughter Patience! 😂🖤
Why is the word "bloody" deemed to be offensive in the UK but not in the Americas, I wonder.
When Mary acquired the nickname -- there's a topic for you? -- I suspect that if an official overheard the word the speaker would likely be charged, so the kids were told not to say it because it's a bad word?
Thus, it became by tradition?
Also, the "F" word is reputed to be an acronym for "found using carnal knowledge."
Any truth to such speculations, I wonder.
( 1st like to this comment 👆 ) I heard that the F word originally was acromion for Fornication Under Command of the King ( during mediaeval UK period ) .
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I don't think the Brits think the word 'bloody' is offensive as they use it often. Same in Australia. I have also heard that said of the word 'fuck'
Bloody is evolved version of 'by our lady ' I believe. So it would have been considered blasphemous back in old times.
@@mickyjgreen Interesting and a believable explanation.
@@helenbartoszek243 I have known people say bladdy rather than bloody, not that long ago in uk
I don't buy the Mary Queen of Scotts reference.. I thought that was Mary Mary quite contrary.
Mary Mary Quite Contrary is often linked to Mary, Queen of Scots as well. But these nursery rhymes do love to overlap in meaning! The connections can be surprising 🖤
Do they still teach nursery rhymes at school?
I learned them at home. Taught them at nursery school and now to my young tutors.
Interesting. Almost seems a bit like commercialism.
How are you?I sent a request for 'little miss Muffet ',I have another ,please;Billy goat gruff I think it's called,can you try to look it up?Thank you for your great videos!!❤❤❤😂😂😊😊😊😊😊
Don't just sit on your tuffet. 😂
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I'd like to think it was the professor's daughter, but my instinct is the queen's horror regards religious reform
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What is this music in the background
That’s Gnossienne No. 1 by Erik Satie! It's so beautifully haunting, isn't it? 🖤
I think in this case, I think, the simple rhyme is just that, but that's no fun, is it?
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A mix of all of the stories but I’d guess it’s more political and about the Queen
These rymes kind of remind me of Nosterdomus his qutrains where generalized so as he was being called out by the church.
The nursery rymed kind of the same way. Made it possible to make a political statment with out being called out.
Perhaps Miss Muffet was not supposed to be eating her curds and whey. She may have been misbehaving by not tending to her chores, instead being lazy and gluttonous.
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