The Valley of Headless Men | Missing 411
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2022
- Deep in the Canadian wilderness lies the Valley of Headless Men, a place so haunted by "pale faced demons" that even then native peoples of the region refuse to settle it. Centering around Nahanni National Park Preserve in Canada, this is the tale of a number of unexplained deaths - most of them men discovered headless - in the Nahanni River Valley.
For decades in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a mysterious force claimed the lives of over a dozen men who went into the region to prospect, hunt, or settle. What was it, and are they still out there? According to the First Nations tribes of the region, there are pale faced creatures lurking in the night. These demons have been there longer than any humans, and it is believed by many that they are the very creatures who caused the deaths of so many prospectors, explorers, and hunters. Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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I thought I was going crazy thinking my monitor is busted after multiple times checking the cable connection, re-selecting the source, etc. lmao
its fine, it gives the video a bit of a creepy factor to it haha
Helps sell your equipment recommendations at the end.
@@marsbars1638 no sh*t.
its crazy to me how slow everyone just existed back then.. like splitting up and meeting back up with someone after a few years was normal
Seriously, now you go hunting on a weekend or maybe stay in a cabin or something for a week or month max. These guys casually agree to meet up in a year and go hiking into the wilderness and survive off the land. You go missing for more than a day and everyone's gonna know about it whereas they start worrying after several years. And somehow they actually find the bodies.
@@MintyLime703 yes!! i cant believe they were able to retrace their routes, thats just insane to me.
Yeah like the fact that back then you just had to “winter” at some random fort because it happened to be the closest place safe enough to winter at. Like you just had to put your whole life on pause for half the year lol
Sorta wish we could go back to that. Sure it'd suck ass, but it makes for strong people. But I also enjoy all my music, so I don't wish too hard
Modern society is sick and evil. Your entire life is spent being bombarded by ads for garbage you don't want or need, using money you do not need to spend, earned from jobs that you don't need to do, to pay landlords who don't need to exist. Everything in modern life is designed to strip from you the ability to think for yourself, these men lived in a time where thinking was encouraged. I can remember the exact routes I have hiked through mountains but I can't remember my own birthday most of the time. I lost my dogs leash on a walk in a new forest at dusk and I retraced the exact path I had walked over the past hour and found the exact bush it had gotten caught on, but I couldn't remember my first bosses name for over a year while I was working with her everyday. We spend our time poisoning our minds with garbage now.
My theory is the local grizzly bears were experimenting with a primitive roller coaster built of logs and dirt, and everyone kept standing up on the ride, because bears are notoriously lax on posting safety conditions. Embarrassed at how deadly the fledgling coaster was turning out to be, the bears regularly repositioned the bodies away from the ride and set up alternate crime scenes, eventually abandoning the project entirely, when a local beaver family pointed out that the attraction was bound to eventual failure due to the lack of opposable thumbs and terrifying killing power of the bear population.
It makes as much sense as the reality of what we know
You're absolutely right. The grizzly bears in the land behind my home have a really cool log ride coaster set up there. My daughter keeps asking me if we can go there, so I checked it out myself. You're absolutely correct about their lax safety conditions. 17 kids have been injured because they sometimes leave hatchets in the logs, which are cut very poorly do to their lack of opposable thumbs. I've reported it but apparently it's fine because it's on private property? I may still take my daughter. I'll report back if I survive the ride.
@@gypsydanger1013 Looking forward to hearing how it went; I live in Florida, so I have to settle for the alligator water park.
And no one saw Gypsy ever again.
RIGHT ON!
Damn bears and their lax protocols 🙄
Canadian police are surprisingly relaxed for finding several headless corpses
The Canadian police tend to be surprisingly relaxed about dead people yeah (especially First Nations)
Why RCMP need to be surprised if they're involved in it
Well what ya gonna do eh?
Of course they are, they’re canadian
They had a lot more going on and not enough bodies to track down every incident. The distances alone would be a major obstacles.
Not that you will probably see this as I’m watching it so many days late. But the pale face demons are “the crowned ones” mountain dwelling spirits, the legend of them still exist in our dance ceremonies of the Western Apache as the Ga’an. It has taken a more modern representation these days but if we are talking way back, we are talking about a cultural conflict and a head taking people similar to that of the Spiro, what are now wands in the dance are representing the head taking tool. The dancers have a black hood over their face, at night when the ceremony is done they spear headless, except for the fool who has a white hood to match the body paint who has his head and is fallowed.
Wait this is fascinating, do you know of any books on the subject?
Woah bro are you forreal??
I'm Oglala Lakota but I have White Mountain Apache in my bloodline
I LOVE watching crown dancers
Just knowing a little bit of the history of the dance is inspiring and makes me all the more intrigued in learning more of about my Apache ancestry.
Cool story bro
I am curious if these are the same as the moon eyed people, my tribe talks about?
Can somebody kind of dumb down this comment for me? I understand it’s talking about a cultural dance but what does the rest mean?
So what you're saying is we should immediately form a prospecting party and travel to the Nehanni valley?
I'm willing! Then maybe we could go to Portlock, AK. ✌😺
Get the guns we’re dragging some pale faced demons out of those woods.
@@coltonannunziata1274those prospectors had guns…… what we need are drones and grenades.
@@chasjetty8729 dont forget rocket launchers
I’m wanting to go straight to those caves
I'm a Canadian who's been very interested in Nahanni and other places like it in the North and unfortunately the RCMP ignoring cases and moving on hastily is normal, especially when it comes to First Nations. Take a look at the Highway of Tears.
Y’all must have been rough on your natives. We only had a trail of tears here in the states. Y’all had a whole highway!?
I’m looking for the hairy Man
You think that's bad look into the "bypass 110 freeway ramp of tears off exit 49"
@@andycockrum1212 they have natives buried under schools. Look it up. Theres a reason I don't give the leftist canadians any space to criticize. The Canadian govt, even under the crown, is responsible for actual genocide unlike the US govt, which both had treaties broken and broke treaties (and had a fundamental misunderstanding of bacteria at the time).
As a native, a lot of people try to shit on the US when many times native nations were declaring war first, or breaking treaties first, etc. I can't say its right, but I also can't say its wrong. It just is. And its not the same as massacring native children who don't convert quick enough
@@andycockrum1212 it's an entire 500 kms of highway where hundreds have gone missing, my dad lives at the opposite end of that 500 kms than I do and the drive up to see him us absolutely haunting and heart breaking. It's just billboard after billboard of missing young women, signs in every gas stop and coffee shop and radio adverts speaking on the dangers and missing lives of this highway. I cant help but feel an impending heaviness and grief driving along specific parts of the journey, on the highway of tears.
This is really the true spirit of RUclips. Quality content that has high camera quality because the creator loves what he does. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; I love this type of content please keep it up
Thank you!
The high quality of flashing green lights every 10 seconds gave me epilepsy 😅 worth it doe
Quality meaning not uncommon editing mistakes repeating himself? A good laugh lol
I always hate when people say that someone who went missing in the woods was "an experienced outdoorsman" or whatever. If you are out in the wilderness, or even in national parks, all it takes is one fuck up to get yourself killed or lost. Even people who are experienced can make mistakes.
Ah yes, the classic blunders, burning yourself alive and decapitating yourself. People too often underestimate the likelihood of making these mistakes
That and there's this thing called hubris. Some might get too* comfortable to the point that they forget what they are and where they are and to respect the wilderness. If you don't, it can swallow you whole.
It's the same when someone dies while cave diving or doing something crazy like that and people go, oh we didn't expect this, they were a really experienced cave diver. Yeah, well, it only takes one mistake and your day's over. All the experience in the world isn't going to protect you if your oxygen runs out, and all the experience in the world isn't going to save you if there are pale-faced demons in the Canadian wilderness taking folks' heads.
Obviously, but the point is that someone with experience would have a better chance than someone with none.
I agree. Even the most experienced outdoorsman will tell you that it doesn't matter how much experience you have, absolutely anyone at anytime can lose their way at anytime. I hear it quite often from friends and family just in my little part of the world in the south, a lot of well traveled hunters or outdoorsman will tell you that even the most experienced people can come up missing or dead at any time for any number of reasons. Just one tiny mistake or one small second of distraction can cost you your life out there. And I have to agree. Mother nature is ruthless and should be treated with thee utmost respect. You can't let your guard down or get too comfortable for even one minute. Doing so can result in some pretty unfortunate accidents, especially in the more remote or dense areas of wilderness. So hearing how expert someone was in survival just isn't relevant in these cases. In my opinion, no level of expertise can really save you from all that can go wrong out there.
You should cover Portlock, Alaska. It's a huge reason I believe a lot of this stuff.
We’ve done it on TikTok but we can absolutely do a video on it here
@@TheLoreLodge I for one think it would be great.
Agreed!
Please do!
Now I'm going to be looking that up the rest of the day!
I wonder if Robert killed the two brothers. If they found gold and he decided he didn't want to share the find, he could have betrayed them. Being unexpectedly betrayed by the man they were traveling with, could have led to a lack of fighting back. The one brother may have been reaching for his rifle, but was killed before he could reach it. Robert could have disposed of their heads in the river to prevent them from being identified.
You aren't alone in thinking that. This exact theory was proposed by at least one local newspaper when the McLeod brothers' bodies were found.
Ok but why was Robert also found without a head?
Also,all of the deceased person found span over 200 years 🤔
That's what I was thinking.
@@LordJeremy94They didn’t found Robert body. The local say they found a skeleton that the investigator assume was Robert’s. It also didn’t say that the skeleton was headless. If the skeleton was Robert’s, he could have die by natural causes while trying to find or escape with the gold.
All the other death could have happened from other reason, and it still wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the first two death was done by Robert.
There is an explanation of the Dall sheep in Valerie cave which was left out of the video, I thought it was worth adding: "It is thought that the sheep went into Valerie during extreme weather and avalanches trapped them in the cave. From time to time the cave flooded and left “bone piles” where the water slowed and dropped the bones, not unlike the discovery of dinosaur bone piles in the Red Deer River Valley."
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@@jamesmarley8818 fr
If that’s to be taken seriously you have to answer several questions before getting to that point:
How high far was the cave from either the top of the cliffs or edge of the river basin?
Where did all those sheep come from?
How did they get into the caves?
How much does the river flood to be able to deposit bones that high into the cliffs?
If an avalanche trapped them inside how did the cartographer find his way inside to discover them?
All important questions and possibly more left to be asked and answered.
@@codybassett112 The main thing to keep in mind is time. The sheep bones were from about 2500 B.C.E., and back then the geography of the region was very different. The river was much higher, and the caves were prone to flooding. It's how they formed in the first place; erosion by water. Within the thousands of year much has changed, and we can study how it had changed. It's also pretty clear that the avalanche would not remain for those thousands of years lol
The cliffs today are ~450m above the river, but the river used to be much closer, and it was prone to flooding. Those sheep are native to the mountains of western Canada, and Alaska. They just walked into the cave, perhaps for shelter, and back then the cave often flooded. And the avalanche melted, or otherwise dispersed.
@@saudade7842 thank you
Dead sheep in this cave? Yeah, I'm gonna name it after my daughter
"Named after my darling little angel, Sheep Hole."
As someone who’s grown up around and in the parks system in the US, and has a lot of family that works in it, there’s some freaky stuff out there man. And unfortunately- in my experience- a lot of what goes unexplored, unsolved, undiscovered, etc. is either due to lack of manpower, resources, insane amounts of bureaucracy, or employees being utterly burnt out and exhausted because of the previous three. And the new employees or volunteers that do come in wanting to change things, investigate, or make things better, kinda tend to get bulldozed by the sheer, overwhelming amount of ‘deal with what you got, put up or shut up,’ exhausted and complacent energy that the majority of the long time employees/volunteers seem to have.
I’m not saying that people in the parks service don’t want to change things, or that they don’t deeply care about people and the environment and animals, because they do- that’s why most of them got into this line of work- but just that the lack of resources, lack of care, and lack of helpful, necessary restructuring on behalf of the US government means that the mostly well-meaning people on the ground are just utterly worn out and overworked or just feel powerless to help anyone. It makes me fuckin sad man.
I’m replying to this to add a personal story as an example of what I talked about above.
Quick warning- I’m going to talk about birth of large animals and the death of a baby wild animal due to birth complications, and some people in the story will talk with complacent, if not (what could be interpreted as) dismissive language in regards to said death. If that’s something in particular that will bug you, please don’t read the following.
At this park I was working at a while back, we had herds of large, wild herbivores (for example: wild horses, bison, deer, elk, etc.) who were native (if not having been there for hundreds of years) to the area, contained within a certain area of the park for their own and the public’s safety, but still able to roam relatively freely. Some rangers would check in on the herd to keep count, ensure they weren’t getting into trouble, that no human idiots were trying to screw with them, etc. but they mostly are left to their own devices. In the late spring, several years ago now, I was informed by a park-goer with a camera that one of the females in our herd seemed to be having trouble giving birth to a calf. She said the calf appeared to have its head and neck and one leg out, but the mother seemed unable to push the calf out the rest of the way. I immediately contacted the ranger on duty and their response was that they would check, and then give it 5 or so more hours, because the birthing process for that particular kind of animal can go on for so long, and it can often work itself out on its own. As someone who had worked with domesticated horses for years, I expressed my concern for the animal, but acknowledged that this was a different kind of animal, not to mention a wild one, and that there was probably different procedure here since it was a government-owned facility. The ranger later responded that yes, there was different procedure here, and that due to it being a wild animal, there was little that could be done without very specific conditions being met. The next day, I got a follow up message from the ranger letting me know that the calf had died due to the difficult birth, but that the mother seemed mostly uninjured. Though, they would be keeping a closer eye on her just in case. He then informed me that it would have been incredibly difficult and expensive to have separated this wild animal from the rest of the herd, sedated her with tranquilizers, called in the big animal emergency vet with experience in handling this kind of large animal from an hour away, gotten the vet there in time and while the mother was still sedated, kept the rest of the herd calm, tried to extract the calf without hurting either them or the mother, and given the calf or the mother life-saving treatment and patching them both up/trying to keep them separated from the herd and under observation, probably having the doctor come back several times for check ups, while they healed- all of that would have probably cost somewhere about tens if not a hundred thousand dollars. Which the park simply did not have the budget for, and that the calf and mother did not have time to wait for said money to be raised via a fundraiser, or even for the large animal vet to get there, let alone for a team of experienced professionals, used to separating a wild animal from the rest of their herd, to be able to be gathered. There was no time, and no money to put towards saving this calf when we already had a herd of around 30 of these animals, around 10 of them pregnant females.
He told me that this didn’t happen often, thankfully, but when it did it always broke his heart a little bc it reminded him of the calves he had been unable to save from similar situations on his parent’s dairy farm as a kid. But that the government seemed to care way less about these animals then people did about those dairy cows. He said, with what I interpreted as no small amount of derision, that he supposed it was because we couldn’t get milk or meat from these animals, and so some people thought that made them less valuable. That ranger had been doing that job for 30 years, and had never stopped caring about those animals, he just had been told time and time again that no matter how he tried, there was nothing he could do to change the system and help them. But he cared too much about them to just leave his job, so he stayed. To take care of them the best he could.
There are a lot of people like that in the parks service.
As someone who's cared for a dying pet before and just generally loves animals my heart goes out to you I'm sure your doing the best you can given the lack of governmental support
Yeah more government just what we need...forest don't need government workers..please fire them and save my tax dollars.
The more I hear about how the Canadian government treats cases like this, the more I see that they've been cool with letting their people die off or off themselves for a long time.
Yeah the govt in Canada can be... weird. There's some very shady shit right under the surface.
Meh- we have a lot of wilderness 🤷🏻♀️ probably the victims of a moose.
Or Canadian geese. Fuck those guys.
Dude if you have never dealt with tribes before you have no idea
They never talk to the police, often cause they or family members of theirs have done something illegal or they are afraid of snitching on someone else
They never tell on their own, even if they've committed crimes
Not going to say the RCMP are perfect but there is little cooperation between torbal police and RCMP the RCMP has literally suspected tribal police of helping cover up crimes on the reservation cause of community or family ties
I asked a RCMP once where he thinks so many of these missing girls are
And he said if they were allowed to they would just start digging around the reservations
And you'd find a few of them, given the literal high concentration of domestic, physical and sexual abuse rampant in reservstions
@@mckenzie.latham91 oh I don't disagree, my local tribe has more bones in its casino than just the craps dice to put it one way. Was just coming at from the outside looking in perspective of governments being untrustworthy. Lack of people working to help their community is another cause of this problem indeed.
@@welshcroco I think both situations are at play
Cause with the 2005 incident with the last two casualties in the valley
It is quite evident the police had little care to properly investigate and were bith indifferent and very Unprofessional
And if they do that once they do it more than that.
So think both situations are tru
My only issue is that a defacto position is to blame the police and not look at the conditions and circumstances of the situation.
It is the sort of place that delights the eye but disturbs the soul. If you look at the mountains in the distance when darkness begins to fall...or in the very early hours of morning when the darkness is just beginning to retreat...you get the feeling that you are being watched...considered...weighed and found wanting.
You should write. This is short story or novel worthy prose. ☝️👍
Kind of like mount everest.. I think it's pretty but if I was given a chance to climb it knowing how many people have lost their lives and are still frozen in time there I wouldnt ever fo myself
So we are as good as field dressed if we hit the mountains.
@teslagirl1 your words are beautifully formed and call forth an image of enchantment. Beautiful death.
Remember what God did with the watchers? They became mountains , spirits dwell in desolate places and the most mountains are. Along with deserts abandoned buildings etc. We really shouldn't be out in the darkness. When you think about it, where did satan take Jesus to tempt Him? The wilderness and he offered to give him the world. That there lets you know whos the god of this world , a friend of the world is an enemy of God . Praiae Yah'
Just a quick little caveat to the argument involving sheep skeletons: wild sheep are very good climbers. Especially if this is their natural environment, I'm certain that these sheep would have been more than capable of climbing up and down steep cliffs.
It’s not just steep, it’s vertical
@@TheLoreLodge mountain goats/sheep can climb up cliffs like that, its really amazing to watch !
@@TheLoreLodge Mountain goats and sheep are very good at finding little nooks and crannies to stand on. I highly suggest watching a few videos purely to see them go at it.
Because they _go_. No hesitation whatsoever
When i visited Nepal I saw a bunch of mountain goats on the side of this sheer face it was amazing to see :)
@@Nicoleapanda yes yes, but that is if they ARE that breed of sheep/goat which there are only a couple in the world and none are native to that region, AND if they were somehow one of those breeds of sheep/goat why did they all get stuck if they could all climb so well? That’s not taking into account that they’d have to have been brought into the area by someone in someway meaning some form of farm use or domestication as well as the sheer volume of sheep present in that single cave. 160 bodies of any mammal, or most non-insect animals is a LOT. what motivated them to all enter that cave unless each taken over time by force? That then begs the question, what can possibly achieve such a feat?
Not sure if this wasn't mentioned on purpose or if I missed it, but apparently there were bullet holes all throughout Fred and Dave's cabin. Definitely a relevant detail if true.
But they never said if those bullet holes were new or old.
@@benjalucian1515 Still important I feel
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 I actually agree, I think that info would have added an important dimension to the story.
The no head joke in the beginning killed me 😂
Pre-video: Giants
Post-video: Pyromaniac Giants
I’ve been obsessed with Missing 411 (mostly because of Mr. Ballen and you) and I’ve just ordered the Eastern US volume. I can’t wait to not sleep for a week!
I just ordered the western US one!!
@EveryWayWorks try counting Sheep?...someone/thing did!
Regarding the man who died reading a magazine I assume they thought it was natural causes because they thought he had a heart attack or another sign of natural death which lead to him not tending a fire in his cabin causing it to burn down. With that being said I’m not sure how the magazine didn’t burn at the time as well.
if you haven’t done a vid already, can you please highlight dudleytown Connecticut. over 30 families mysteriously died from a number of causes. many of them went manic after stating they were seeing creatures. it’s off limits to the public and his been since 1918, when a family who didn’t know the history made a home and the same occured. nobody has any idea why or how this place is what it is
He has
@@nicholasnokleby1448 what’s the title?
I only think this from playing video games, but maybe this is a site of some natural gas that affects people long term? It seems to be the location itself at fault
@@xSwordLilyx Could also be contaminated water, Lead poisoning can have some weird effects in high enough doses.
I remember when I lived in Vancouver for a few years as a teenager in about 1961 or 62 reading of a disappearance of a plane in the Nahanni Valley that completely disappeared no wreckage no bodies no nothing. That was the first time I heard about the phenomenon.
Something I will say: The point about the one brother being prone to exaggeration puts the thing about "reaching for the gun" into suspicion. The body could've just been splayed out with an arm out, and the brother just exaggerated it and said he was reaching for it.
that the corpse was "reaching for the rifle" seems like a stretch. you said yourself that the body was already decomposing, maybe it just laid in a way where the arm was pointing to the rifle. i mean you find corpses in all kind of positions. doesnt mean thats how they were positioned at the time of death
Cold temperature and rigor mortis.
@@allmight9840 Rigor mortis doesn't last that long, and the odds of them thawing at least once, being moved by scavengers, etc. are very likely
Right? It’s common for scavengers to move the heads of corpses lost to the forest. You know who likes running off with a head? Wolverines, coyotes, badgers, foxes, etc. They carry it off to eat away from the body which will attract apex predators like cougar, bears, and wolves that also inhabited this area. That’s something proven in modern forensic investigation of bodies found in woods. Skulls are often found not too far off with signs of scavenger feeding.
While these stories probably did involve treachery and murder, I don’t think the missing heads are indicative of much beyond normal fauna of the area. The body “reaching for a gun” sounds like the imaginings of a grieving and angry brother pushing for investigation.
I live in B.C. Canada, and I've been very close to this region and the "Headless Valley''. I can tell you why the natives who lived in the Nahanni left the area, and why it is mostly uninhabited today. it isn't because of legends created by rumors started by wild gold prospectors, and a proclivity for the sensational, and the fantastic. the reason is quite simple and unremarkable. Simply put, it is because it is extremely difficult to get "ahead" in the Nahanni.
It's the headless valley I remember watching a native man tell the same stories but he said there's strange entity's that protect the gold in the river if you try removing it out the river they kill you by chopping off your head but the tribes day these entity's come out at night they are like ghosts they can't be killed or stopped, you will come out alive and well as long as you do not touch the gold atol
Yes, I believe they said they are white creatures?
Sounds like a fairy tail to keep prospectors out
@@cjcoleman3893 your probably right although native Americans are not known for telling b.s stories, if you fancy yourself a prospector for a chunk of gold the location is marked on a map you should go find out let me know what happens haha only joking 😜👍🏴
I wants me gold
@@chrismac4612nah if they say somethings up i’m believing them
"So, no head?"
*_This gon be a gud video._*
I mean, it’s pretty obvious, Freedom was hurled into our dimension when the Deanverse underwent Armagedom and decided to settle down on Northern Canada. Probably hasn’t gotten any Giza glass with her though, since we haven’t seen any crowns around
Ooooor the crowns are killed
This is the sort of reference i really appreciate
I too, appreciate this comment haha
Crowns on sale at BEVOS BEER WINE AND WIGS
If you had no head just imagine the amount of money you could save on shampoo and conditioner
Had to fact check, but yes, he does indeed quote Hannah Montana after a deeply exasperated sigh @15:51
As a former Miley Cyrus simp from Hannah Montana until Wrecking Ball, I didn't need to fact check. Nobody's perfect.
As someone who went from having a shaved head to long hair, the only thing I have to say about conditioning daily and using shampoo more is >:(
Money and time!
And hats. Yknow most Canadian beaver pelts where used to create fur hats. So safe to assume a headless man in that time could save a fortune on hats given the production method and expenses
Makeup…toothbrush… food water and shelter are no longer needed…
To add to the Dall sheep conversation, you don’t just want unnaturally large piles of bones to point at human activity. Especially for a finding that size, what you are going to want to see to confirm human predation are markings of work on the bone. When bones are cut, broken purposely for the marrow, boiled, and so on, forensic archaeologists can find distinct marks that show these things happening. Not sure if that was reported or not.
FYI Dahl sheep are big horn sheep which for all intents & purposes are mtn goats. Strait up vertical cliffs are kind of there jam. But I agree that amount of Skeletons totally sounds like predation. Maybe a remnant of cave lions
Grizzly Bear?
@@venomlink2033 Grizzly bears aren't known for climbing vertical cliffs while carrying large prey animals, are they?
@@cerebralm Unless we're talking about a 40-foot wingspan Redtailed Hawk, that's the only animal I can think of that would attempt something like that with a human.
As a side note, bears are pretty good climbers. Vertical cliffs? Probably not.
@@venomlink2033 Aiden mentioned that those skeletons are probably the result of ancient human hunting activity. I see no reason to disagree with that hypothesis, humans were present in north america at that time and humans do weird things sometimes like decide to eat all of a certain animal after moving them all into a particular cave.
@@venomlink2033 Grizzly's don't actually hunt large game. They mostly eat fish, small rodents, and scavenge corpses of larger animals when they find them. Their diets are actually 75% plant based
Okay hear me out... You touched on the Naha people and how they were seen as raiders and such. How the other tribes in the area banded together to get rid of them but they were already gone... I wasnt aware that they were connected to the Apache and Navajo in the south western states but hearing that, made me realize their may be a link between this mystery and another one that is centered around the Superstition mountains in Arizona. Both these locations have had many mysterious cases of bodies being found decapitated. As well, both these locations have been a very popular spot for prospecting gold in the past. Hearing about the pale-faced demons and other tales from the nahanni valley I couldnt help but relate that to many of the stories the Apache's tell of the Superstitions. Many people that have gone searching for the lost dutchman's gold have gone missing without a trace or their bodies turn up without heads. The two locations are obviously entirely different landscapes an incredible distance from eachother, but I cant help the feeling that their is some sort of connection between the original Naha tribe and the occurences in the Superstitions, where they are said to have ended up residing. Maybe i'm just seeing a coincidence or maybe not... Has anyone selse thought of this!!?
Yes
No, its entirely possible that the same things/People that were/are living Nahanni lived/live in the Supersticion mountains aswell. Could be that a gang of these "Pale Face Demons" who terrorized the Naha saw them leaving, and decided they weren't going to get off that easy, so followed them. Its no more of a ridiculous proposition than the Already Accepted position that the Apache and Navajo are descendants of the Naha people.
That's wild, that has got to be connected.
Just a heads-up, you might want to re-upload/re-render your file. Could be my end, but it looks like might be having sync or encoding/decoding problems. I would check your offline file against the RUclips play back to narrow down the problem
Unfortunately if we do that RUclips will smack us for it. I’m having a conversation with our editor about quality control.
@@TheLoreLodge Also noticed around 11:34 that there was an extra take of that line doubled up. Minor mistake but as an editor I can't let this slide. I would like to personally slap the editor's Cheeto hand
@@robb862 although I too noticed all aforementioned things as well allow me to adjust my tinfoil hat and suggest mayhaps it wasn't the editors fault as I've never seen anything like this occur in any other content from this channel
We have to bare in mind (an open one) there's the potential prospect of some otherworldly supernatural interference taking place as crazy as I know that may sound it's to be taken into consideration the topics discussed on this channel with subs and views having progressed as opposed to decrease there are bound to be interferences
If I sound like a whimsical woman whose mind is filled full of nonsense then please research my last name and if you do so please rest assured that unfortunately I know all too well how real things that seem unreal are in fact all too real
I have experienced and seen things that might even be hard for anyone at Lore Lodge to consider a possibility to believe
Case in point I don't believe it was the editor's fault and I'm not being asinine or derogatory towards you so hopefully it isn't taken in that manner but things often times get misconstrued via text as no tone of voice is conveyed
@@CrystalLC3 are you trying to insulate that you are related to Aleister Crowley? And that somehow a supernatural being actually wants editing errors in lore lodges content?? Lol
@@Cincinnatus99 I'm not insulating anything. I'm a human being, not a cooler. Did you mean insinuate?
Double like for Fidel being his dad, triple like for leaving the burp in. Cheers
You clearly don't know much about our PM... Are you even Canadian? 🙄
@@quigli uh oh we got a bite. How dare someone criticize and joke about dear leader.
I second this! have you seen the pictures? it's unacanny.
@@quigli Yeah sure buddy like you know all about him. That's Fidels son withoot a doot
Just a heads up that Metis often means someone who is part Indigenous and part French descent (more specifically than white). Also while First Nation's is used here in Canada, the word Indigenous is more common! Thanks for being so inclusive and explaining the different languages in each respective country. I haven't heard this story before and am excited to see a creator I know cover Canada! Cheers!
Excellent rendition of this topic. Seen a few and yours is one if the better ones.
I’ve watched several videos over this phenomenon and this was by far the best. Super detailed and I couldn’t help but pay attention soup to nuts. Good on y’all man!
Hearing him mispronounce Diné is honestly giving me life. I've never heard that variation, but i love it!
I am getting weird flashes of green every so often, you may want to look into that
Yeah same. I came down to the comments to see if anyone else was experiencing it, I thought my TV was broken at first.
We had some weirdness with the upload
@@TheLoreLodge pale face video demons don't @me i won't justify or provide evidence of these claims.
I just figured it was an activation code, since I blacked out and now there are several headless folks in my house
@@excep7 Nah sub*DRINK COKE*liminal messages arnt real right? pretty sure they do*DRINK COKE*nt work lol
Glad I came across your channel love listening to these stories while I go about my day or while playing video games
These are the stories that you have to hear around a campfire! That's where I will tell them! Thanks for sharing...
I just ran across your videos randomly - your narration of the story is fantastic and well researched. You've gained a sub! Well done, sir!
The heads float around the forest and go "Woooo!👻I`m gonna steal your toe`s"
Not much to say on the others but as for "burning to death while reading a magazine" I've actually kinda seen something similar caused by someone falling asleep with a cigarette in bed.
They were my neighbour growing up and i just remember waking up to the entire night sky lit up and the sirens outside.
Turns out they found him dead and in a peaceful condition in bed, he had been asleep when the fire started and was knocked out by CO2 poisoning before succumbing to the fire.
Its possible something similar happened to the guy reading the magazine 🤔
This is one of the most detailed videos I've seen on this topic!
Just wanna say I've been hella productive listening to all your content. Much appreciated, brother!
24:46 that magazine had to be FIRE
Love this topic and it's always great to hear the lore master explain things.
I remember this case being talked about a while back and it’s both fascinating and terrifying
Another area with a reputation for headless corpses is the Superstition Mountain near Apache Junction in Arizona. Supposedly the Lost Dutchman Mine is located somewhere on the mountain, just adding to the mysterious reputation the area has.
There's probably some undiscovered tribe in that valley. It wouldn't surprise me honestly.
It’s a Waheela, and it’s pissed because the Native Tribe that used to live in the area was killed off by settlers, so it takes revenge by killing anyone who enters the valley. Waheela are protective wolf spirits of nature and the frozen North.
I just placed my second order of Mt. Pocono coffee from Tablow. It's SO good! I could do without the burps, though. Hugs
Glad you’ve been liking it!
Also give Brazilian Yellow Burbon a try so good
@@TheLoreLodge Yo just wanna let you know this vid isn't in the 411 playlist, but a weird bible one is.
Appreciate you always showing proper respect to the native communities involved in any related stories you tell.
Thanks to the video he made with Wendigoon I'm obsessed with this stuff now! Sooooo happy he has a whole playlist lol
You must spend a ton of time researching these topics, and rehearsing and editing the videos, not to mention... taking the time to write it all down!! Great dedication my friend!! I enjoy your product!
I’ve been watching your videos nonstop the past few days. Awesome stuff!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great in depth research. Can really tell you spent a lot of time on this.
I like to read the comments while I listen to your videos because more often than not other avid listeners have their own theories and not only are they fun to read but some of them make more sense than the reports do. Keep up the great work, both commenters and you!
I don't know how I stumbled upon your videos, but see ya Mr B. Your content is so in-depth and well researched. Being a New Zealander now living in Australia, even though I've watched a lot of videos, you have a lot of content I've never heard of. Love your commentary on Trudeau/Castro 😅😅😅. I also love how you insert the odd comment that makes me laugh. Very interesting and riveting
Maybe he wasn't reaching for the rifle, maybe he dropped it when he died and it landed close to his hand. Just as a devils advocate thing, not being an ass.
Edit: Though with that being said, it's super weird that if the bodies were skeletons by that point and had been predated ('wolves took their heads',) that the rest of their bodies would be intact and their bones weren't scattered throughout the area semi randomly. There would also be very clear marks on the bones if they'd been chewed on.
Just found you today, I'm going to look for more! Thank you
I live in Arizona near the lost Dutchman mine national park. There's supposedly a hidden gold vein somewhere out there. It's a rough mountainous area easy to get lost in. Occasionally people go in there looking for the gold and still today end up dead. Today it's a gun shot to the head but back in the day it was arrows.
According to Apache to the Apache people there are sacred places in the lost Dutchman mine national park. I think the exact location of the gold vein is where the sacred ground is and that someone is guarding it.
I wondered if anyone else had made that connection!!! Also, in the 40's they found the headless body of James Cravey who was dropped off to go looking for the gold in the Superstition Mtns. My great aunt lived out there for awhile and I remember her stories about heads, but no bodies. Rolling down a mtn trail, to be exact, not long after people would go looking for the treasure... 🤨 It's not quite the same, but still! She said this is what several natives (not sure which), that she had met, had told her. I'm not sure if that was them sharing because she was a quarter part Apache (doubtful) or a "for the tourists" type thing, but as soon as it was explained that they migrated to the southwest it reminded me of her story.
@@rebeccajones6988 at least a few people have to have thought of it. Now I'm wondering if the local police and forest service here also give obviously incorrect death reports.
@@rebeccajones6988 Man i just finished typing my comment relating these two locations. So glad someone else has made this connection!
Oh yeah! I didn't think about that! Not sure why I didn't make that connection. There is an interesting set of videos created by some men that have lived near the area for most of their lives. They have done tons and tons of research into the story and even explored much of the mountain area the treasure is said to be. I recommend watching those. The two gentlemen who narrate the videos address many aspects of the case and do a good job clearing up parts of the story that might have been exaggerated or embellished and what parts of the story is definitively recorded as fact. And they go over all the supposed clues that the Dutchman supposedly discussed on his deathbed. Its pretty cool and insightful. I believe both men in the video spent almost their entire careers in the area not only searching for the gold, but also learning and mapping out the history of the area in relevance to the supposed clues as to where the gold might be.
I haven‘t researched the Nahanni valley myself, but I have seen a Missing 411 video by Dave Paulides where he said that there is nothing to the Headless Valley and that the myth was apparently started by a newspaper to push their numbers, to which the newspaper allegedly confessed later. Have you ever heard about any of that?
Tbh this is probably the case
oh, so you believe them huh?
@@toastytoast9800 newspapers making things up isnt a new concept
The whole “pharaohs curse” idea was made up by news papers because they weren’t allowed any info on the digs in egypt so they made something up in order to get press on what little info they did have
I heard of the Nahanni Valley via Bedtime Stories. According to what the people behind it said there is a tale about a dangerous tribe called the Naha that the Dene always spoke of with caution, a tribe that would take heads from victims as a warning to those who dared to enter their territory. If they still exist then they might have dwindled in numbers.
@@mirandagoldstine8548that explanation seems pretty plausible. There are plenty of recorded incidents of tribes or groups of people who were known to mount a victims head on display as a way to warn off any potential enemies or invaders. Effective lol but gruesome and pretty common back in the day.
Love your work man, keep on keepin on! I love to wonder and to speculate on what other things inhabit this world we aren't fully aware of :D.
"so, no head? aight, imma head out" *heavy guitar intro riff*
truly the best way to start any video
l love when you cover Canadian stories and places. I've never left Ontario except to go to the States. It has always been a big interest of mine to travel around this beautiful country. Especially out west and down in eastern Canada. Northwest Territories would just blow my mind to see.
holy crap dude you just made me go down a HUGE rabbit hole abt trudeau being castros son. its so weird the evidence is overwhelming
Love your channel. Well done.
"No head? Imma head out..."
I understood that completely in the wrong way!
Lol
bro ive gone down the missing 411 rabit hole for the past week because of the nahhani valley. And right on time this video pops out the wood work. cheers for the great content ( also my money is on crab people )
This is the first time I can say I've heard Dene pronounced Day-nay instead of Deh-Neh lol. I recently found your videos and I love how you always include history of the area 💛
This being my first time seeing your videos and you open with a vine reference? Immediate fan. Also great job
Wendigoon brought me here 2 years ago, and i'm so proud that i decided to subscribe to this channel that day
From my understanding: the head is a sacred place for native belief. It hold the spirit and to remove it is to take that spirit for yourself.
"Constable Duncan" made me laugh.
I like your presentation style. Great job at keeping your viewer's attention.
Yo that little tidbit around 5 min about the FN traders making boats of out moose hide and then dismantling them to sell is so damn smart I can’t believe I haven’t heard of it done before.
Loved the spookiness of this story. Just a heads up, Métis aren't just mixed Europeans and First Nations. They're very specific to French and certain Indigenous groups, and have their own identifiable culture
Great video, very interesting topic!
I like how you do your videos! keep up the great work!
Wow I'm only 10min into the first video of yours I've watched. And although I'm familiar with the story you've already connected dots for me no one else ever has. I was born & raised in mesa Arizona & grew up around alot of Navajo & Apache Indians. Navajo refer to themselves as not Navajo but Denae. They typically do not share that with white ppl. And I ways thought it was very weird when I heard someone else use that word in reference to the Nahanni valley. I didnt assume there was a connection though I should have. And as I sit here in this realization I have a light bulb moment. I live in the shadow of the superstition mountains just east of Phoenix. And there have been dozens of ppl turn up headless in the superstition mtn wilderness area over the last 200yrs. Most of them were either looking for the infamous lost Dutchman gold mine or even before that old Spanish gold mining claims known to exist in the area. That's just super weird that both these locals have a ton of myth/legend, rumor of vast gold wealth, lots of headless ppl searching for this gold & direct connections to both the Navajo & Apache Indians. I wonder if there is a version of the black hand in nahanni as well???
as someone who also lives in Mesa, i never heard of people turning up headless before. i do know people have gone missing looking for the gold on the mountain. but i also don't go out of my way to research the area, superstition mountain makes me feel like if i go digging into info about it bad things will happen, but if i leave it alone then it won't cause issues haha.
while modern day beheading could probably be attributed to cartel activity in Arizona, older activity would definitely suggest there's more in common with the Nahanni Valley and the people who live there than it just being random incidents or coincidence.
@Dae . Emergence of the internet really killed off the don't talk about it and it won't bother you superstitions. Crazy how time erodes these traditions.
I may actually go down to the Calgary Central library and see if I can find the Herald from 1946…
If you do, and you can scan a copy, please email it to us!
so glad I found your channel!
Great video. Keep making more!!!
I love the mysteries surrounding the Nahani Valley. I wish I could go explore it myself because it sounds like the kind of place that you have to see with your own eyes to believe. More detailed information on the cave sheep and photos of the cave would be great
I'll be scared to go anywhere near those places
@uNnHkP8mza please don't push your believes into others. Keep your boring opinion to yourself, nobody cares
@uNnHkP8mza you’d be the one to lose your head !
Quick thing: there are plenty of reasons someone could reach for a rifle when dying of hunger, or not "sudden" means. Reaching over to use it on yourself, or your parts, maybe they were holding it and dropped it when they expired. Plenty of things. Not having the facts doesnt mean you can just choose an option and say anything else is unlikely or as you put it "impossible" it is totally possible.
I discovered this channel on Wednesday it is now friday and I have watched nothing else. I am binge watching it
First time watching this channel nice I’ve seen some other videos on this topic always was cool in a weird way
It was definitely not animals, or "unprepared woodsmen". It was people, or things we could easily categorize as monsters. That's my opinion.
If I get enough people together, I’ll launch a horseback expedition with rifles, climbing gear, thermals and NVGs. In the spirit of English Canada, we’ll either get what we want or die trying!
I'd love to help out with that I love rock climbing and would probably be able to get you anywhere you needed to go so long as I was provided the proper equipment because while I have enough equipment to get myself anywhere I'd need to go I'm not sure if I could facilitate a large group lol 😅
Please don't die trying
You do whay you like, but leave the poor horses at home, they don't need to die for you. Good luck, otherwise, let us know how you get on!💀👽👻🙈
Ah, I see you're also a connoisseur of wendigo cunny....
Im really hard on new youtubers i get into and will hate really hard on content people im unfamiliar with. This is your 4th video ive watched and at your “no head” intro i shook my head and smiled and said “hes charming”
stumbled upon your channel, really great stuff! my son is named Aidan too 😁
Yeah that’s weird. Almost like some big game hunter is there like maybe just some Hills have eyes situation
I thought the green screens for a single frame were a jump scare or subliminal easter egg, turns out they just had editing issues
I probably shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did at "I'm sorry - I'm not a perfect man."
Might just steal that delivery, it's priceless.
36:36 I wanted so badly for you to say "In my opinion - as a historian - that is TOO MANY sheep." 🤣
Umm.. Canadian here. Beautiful landscapes and murder mixing are basically all our National Parks. Even Tom Thompson one of the famous Group of Seven painters drown or disappeared in Algonquin. I say OR cause we still don't know totally. All we know is his canoe came back and he never did. No body. No real sign of distress among the boat. And no apparent (or willing to step forward) witnesses that can make sense of it all
Edit for fun fact bout us Cannucks: we may officially use metric but we actually have a messed mix of that, imperial and time to measure. Ie speed limits are KM/hr but ask a Canadian "How far is x city from here?" And we will reply with the rough drive time, not distance (ie 2hours or so vs like 120-150km). Height and weight the doctor uses metre/cm and KG. Civs use lbs and feet lol oh and don't get me started on the blended kitchen measuring tools 😂
Same here in the UK.
Persons weight: stones and pounds
Weight of meat cuts: pounds
Weight of dry ingredients: kilograms and grams
Height of a person: feet and inches
Clothing measurements: inches
Fabric is cut in…. meters.
Petrol: measured in litres
Water: measured in litres
Every other liquid except one: LITRES
Beer: measured in PINTS
Distance to the next junction: yards
How far away is the next town? Miles
How much area does the woodland cover? Kilometres
How deep was the snow? Inches
How much rain fell last night? Centimetres
How fast was the wind? Miles per hour
How cold was it? Degrees centigrade
How long is a nail? Inches
What’s is the diameter of that nail? Millimetres
White side drill bit? Millimetres
How thick is the timber you’re drilling? Inches or Millimeteres depending on if you’re a tradesman or an amateur
We have been resisting decimalisation for decades 😂
Agreed, for the most part. I use a mix of units, sometimes depending upon which comes to mind first, which way the wind is blowing, what mood I'm in, who knows? It just varies. Except for temperature and distance: I never use fahrenheit, never have, only Celsius, and I pretty much always use miles for distance. I don't know of anyone who routinely uses kilometres.