I'd say Miraidon. It's so versatile and powerful that it's not even funny. It has great offenses, the ability helps its offenses even more and it's not that bad defensively either, making it almost a must pick for Gen 9 Ubers and there's even talks of banning him, which I hope they do.
@@Miiverse227 It was amazing in the first few gens. But powercreep and such made it worse and worse by the years. Yes, it gets more tools every generation. Shame it ain't enough to fight against powercreep, especially when its type holds it back already.
@@SaintPhoenixx He wouldn't though... Since he couldn't hold his Rusted Sword, he couldn't be Crowned Zacian, so the mega-evolution would go based on his normal stats. Don't get me wrong, he'd still be absurdly strong, (almost the mega-Mewtwos BST) but not that much stronger than the normal Crowned form. More Attack and Speed isn't as good as it seems when you can already kill anything... he'd essentially be more defensive and that's it...
I’d say it’s quite close between Ray and Groupon. While Ray is good enough to make its own tier in singles, it was nowhere near as dominating as Primal Groupon in VGC, which had phenomenal placements, while still being a top tier pick in singles as well. In essence, they basically had reverse results in the formats. And double that, Groudon saw tons of usage even without that form.
I'd argue the best case is probably Kyogre. Sure it didn't peak quite as hard as Rayquaza, but consider the grip it has had for decades now: rain setting, perfect coverage, a broken alternate form, prowess in singles and doubles, and the ability to run a plethora of sets depending on whether it's team needs utility/offense/bulk. Kyogre is the complete package.
Yes Kyogre is the best Pokémon of all time since 3g to 5g,he is really good during 6-7g before and during ROSA and he is really strong in 8g and 9g.Rayquaza is the worst of the trio during the 3/4/5/6(before Rosa)/7/8g in Vgc and Smogon. He is only really broken in 6g and 7g thanks to the Mega but even in Vgc the primals are better. Kyogre is the best of the trio no contest but the video use notably the prime of the legendaries so Rayquaza is better for the video.
Yeah the video was pretty on-point but I think it sold Kyogre short- there's a reason it had a long reign as the "King of Ubers". It has a long history of domination in both singles and VGC.
@@tchoupivsoui-oui3231 Every time I see someone abbreviate Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire as "ROSA", I have to read it twice to get what they're talking about. :/
Maybe for PLZA specifically like how Legends Place Arceus is the strongest in only one game. Because we don't know for certain if the new Mega Evolutions introduced will ever hit a mainline game like say Gen 10, and since PLZA will likely not have the ability to do PvP if it takes inspiration from PLA, then it'd just be like them and that's it.
I’d honestly say that Rayquaza gets beat out by Kyogre. Yeah, Mega Rayquaza may have been banned to a new tier, but it’s hard to compete with the fantastic usage and winning results that Kyogre and Primal Kyogre have had for the last 2 decades
The Calyrex-Shadow in the Anything Goes room safe knowing Zacian is the only one getting blasted. Also, I want to say Miraidon is stronger than Koraidon by a little bit because special attacks, even in Ubers, are more valuable than physical ones, and the Electric Terrain Miraidon sets up benefits it even out of context in a vacuum more than Koraidon is with Sun.
Between Koraidon and Miraidon I think it's more a thing of what you want to do with the paradox lizard slot. Miraidon sure has slightly higher possible damage output due to being Electric type in Electric Terrain, but the sun from harsh sunlight essentialy gives Koraidon a 3rd STAB in Fire moves, so it has more build diversity. In the context of Scarlet and Violet with Tera, I'd say that it's better to have more options to hit things for big damage than to have slightly less options to hit things for bigger damage, but once Tera most likely gets swept for a new battle mechanic in the next set of games, Miraidon will probably come out better.
The fact that when I played VGC and singles competively, I had to come up with dedicated strats, to Xerneas and Zacian, and Zacian had the far more fragile counter, I'm gonna go with it on this one.
miraidon in Smogon vgc is a lot stronger than koraidon because miraidon's electric Terrain boost miraidon electric stab to ridiculously high. And Koraidon's Sun doesn't do that for him. Koraidon misses the little thing that makes him truly broken
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I think Calyrex is definitely stronger than Zacian after the nerf. They were pretty close in power before the nerf, calyrex barely missing a ban in gen 8 and that nerf to Zacian was really big.
@@Jlaps941Mega rayquaza don’t cripple by burning and intimidate Zacian in other hand is forced to hold rusted sword mega rayquaza can run special move with 180 sp.atk and can hold any items
Heck even Play Rough from Zacian is gonna hurt a lot. But yeah Flutter Mane is going to destroy it, especially with being further buffed by said Koriadon’s ability.
I've been seeing a lot of people comment that Koraidon won't see much play because of Flutter Mane, but I completely disagree. Firstly, they naturally have a speed tie, so who has the highest speed investment will likely KO the other before it can do anything. The thing is that given Koraidon's much higher and better distributed base stats in its bulk it will have much less to lose going fully 252 Jolly than Flutter Mane going 252 Timid. "Oh but Flutter Mane can start with Incineroar for Intimidate + Fake Out" and Koraidon use Protect alongside a Calyrex Shadow next to it to give 0 care for Fake Out + still threaten Flutter Mane all in one. Secondly, in reg E H-Arcanine was also 4x weak to AND ALSO SLOWER than both Urshifu Water and Lando-T, "just" the 2 the most splashable and omnipresent mons that got added in reg D and that stayed that all the way through reg E and, even with all this against it, H-Arcanine only did not win 2 reg E events (one of which it even finished 2nd, so it could very well have won), so I think its very possible this happens with Koraidon x Flutter Mane as well. And lastly, althought Koraidon is yet to become legal in VGC, both it and Flutter have been usable in the Smogon singles since forever and it has not stopped Koraidon from becoming the 1# used mon and threat there for quite a while now (I know singles and doubles have completely different approaches, but if Flutter Mane was this absolutely anti-Koraidon beast that wouldn't ever let it see the light of day, then for sure Koraidon wouldn't be as good as it is in Ubers). Flutter Mane is a good counter against it in singles and for sure will be in VGC as well, but not to the point of COMPLETELY KILLING ITS VIABILITY BEFORE IT EVEN BEGINS like many are claiming and like Incineroar does to pretty much every Intimidate user in VGC when it becomes legal).
@@tezminator Orachalchum pulse can't increase Koraidon's speed, so as long as Flutter Mane is Protosynthesis speed it will always outspeed and if Flutter is paired with a ground type partner it can cover for any potential tera type, one of those ground types is the alternate sun setter, Groudon
@@Your_LocalWizard indeed Orichalcum Pulse only increases attack, but Choice Scarf sets will level the field again on speed terms (and even before the new regulation drops it's pretty much certain that it will be a popular item due to the existence of faster Fairy than Flutter Mane in base speed being Zacian-C capable of not only hurting a lot like other people have commented, but outright threatening a straight up OHKO on Koraidon with Play Rough). And on partners topic, there's the Calyrex Shadow I mentioned before, but there's also Groudon's favorite blue with red details fish friend Kyogre, which has more Sp. attack, Spdef and HP than Flutter + turns off the boost that it gets from Orichalcum Pulse. It may look like anti synergy to use Kyogre and Koraidon together, but one beats what the other can't, so you just have to get a good positioning in which weather to be active and you're good to go.
Saying something will not be good because just flutter mane is laughable lol. Urshifu, both forms, has seen huge successes when glitter mane was right there even being much slower than flutter. Mon needs to do bad into other things to be bad too. And it's not. It's good into both urshifus, raging bolt, and all the other format staples. If we account for legendaries it's really only zacian matchup which can be solved with Tera and speed controls. It do good into literally everything else.
While I don’t deny Koraidon deserved to be the Paldea rep in this video, Miraidon being legalized might bring it into the discussion too. If not for raw power, which it definitely has, then for the same support related reasons as Koraidon; while the past paradox Pokémon have had Torkoal to assist them, the future paradoxes are also extremely popular picks that have effectively been battling without an ability this whole time because Pincurchin sucks and Booster Energy is too great of an opportunity cost (at least for Iron Hands). And while Electric Terrain doesn’t directly affect the type matchups like Sun, it’ll practically kill off Amoongus’s usage, put Rillaboom in an awkward spot, and promote the electric types that are already popular (like Iron Hands…).
Probably Calyrex S, that thing was absurdly strong even before Tera, it is an unstoppable menace that saw massive usage even with a garbage matchup in the meta Pokémon of Incineroar and being hard walled by Yveltal in Ubers
Fun fact: we almost have enough Pokemon to make a team Pokemon who were once or are banned to AG. Arceus in gen 4, Mega Rayquaza in gens 6 + 7, Zacian in gen 8, Shadow Calyrex in gen 9, and the potential ban of Miraidon.
Mega Ray for me. I remember the handheld oras back in the day, I had a shiny adamant 100% ivs (got it on a random trade for zigzagoon 😮) and it was an absolute monster. One dragon dance and it would kill everything, and even super effective hits would bounce off. It was honestly cheap AF, and the only way to handle it was to hit the sd variant with foul play, if you could survive
I know this has a lot of opinions behind it, but my favorite legendary is Solgaleo. I love that Pokémon. His ability full metal body prevents his stats from being lowered by other Pokémon and himself. And he has pretty solid HP. I use him on S/V online battles, he is an absolute tank. I usually win. My set includes Arceus, Solgaleo and either mewtwo or Zacian. I always bring solgaleo out last. I use stellar terra from. My preferred moveset for solgaleo is sunsteel strike, zen headbutt, morning sun, and flame charge or some sort of fire move. I think solgaleo is under appreciated.
Downplaying the domination of landerous T a bit here. Dude was a terror for like 4 metas even now terra flying claps urshifu which i feel is a bit downplayed too. The 3 you picked aren't necessarily wrong though
Considering Miraidon is being suspected tested atm I would say it but it's very close as both it and Koraidon are super good but yeah SpA is a bit more valuable in ubers especially right now it can also support Paradox Delibird boosting it's speed which is v valuable
Landorus-Therian is the reason I don't play competitive anymore. For years it was just so prominent that looking at it pissed me off. I especially hated how so many teams were all the same dang four or five Pokémon. I like creativity and fun in Pokémon battles, the Meta existing as strong as it was back then took all the fun out of it.
isn't this basically the case of power creep? I know I'm just a stupid people who try to oversimplified everything, but if you argue that Koraidon as the strongest one, then it just in the case that Scarlet and Violet are the latest games, so of course GameFreak will make the latest game their best game ever.....at least "yet", as they will make new games again in the future, and the power creep issue will come again......
It's funny to see this post Worlds 2024 where Lando-I was 2nd, Urshifu was in all but one top 8 team and Zacian + Koraidon were nowhere to be seen in the top 16 while Zamazenta got 3rd and Miraidon 1st (even Terapagos placed decently, although I agree it's gonna fall off a cliff depending on how GF handles it in future games) Also the Caly riders were weirdly slept on
I'd argue for Miraidon being stronger as it's being suspect tested. So it might get banned from ubers a feat few legendaries have ever achieved and which Koraidon (currently) isn't.
@@tylersmith1639Miraidon is more broken in a sense that it is harder to check. Specs or calm mind then you just clean 2hko almost everyone on ubers. I think it should be on the video, because it is truly what is "strongest". But the reason why koraidon got more usage is what was stated in the video, the team playing factor that let it be more splashable(doesn't mean miraidon isn't splashable too lol that mon is still #2)
Mega Mawile has the power associated with Fairy/Steel and Huge Power. Klefki with the resistances Fairy/Steel brought that got Swagger banned forever despite Prankster Swagger existing before . Tinkaton with an insanely powerful signature Steel move. Zacian Crowned with all the above.
I dont quite get your reasoning on Landorus for gen 5. I mean yeah, Lando-T super common on teams... in OU. The Mascots have all always been Ubers. Also, while Koraidon does have higher usage, Miraidon was actually suspect tested for AG.
I think Kyogre is actually one of the strongest legendaries, although Xerneas is very close. Also, I don't think Zacian or Koraidon will have as much usage in VGC as you think. A lot of people I'm talking to think Koraidon's going to be underwhelming, maybe niche at best, and I haven't heard really anyone talking about Zacian. Good video though, your reasoning seems solid!
I feel like Gen 1 Mewtwo is the strongest legendary if we’re talking about when they were introduced. There were less than a handful of pokemon that could stand up to it, the Gen 1 special stat + amnesia made it absurdly overpowered, and everyone knows how OP Gen 1 psychic type is. Mega Rayquaza is crazy powerful but it at least had a couple of counters in Gen 6, namely fairy types like Xerneas and faster, hard hitting dragon types. Dark and steel didn’t exist in Gen 1 (and were made *because* of OP psychic types like Mewtwo) and the only type that resisted psychic… was psychic itself
Of the three legendaries you mentioned, I would say Koraidon is the strongest legendary of them all. There's just something absurd about a Pokemon that can set up weather/terrain while gaining free stat boosts on top of that... while still having the ability to set up even further. Sure Xerneas is absurd with Geomancy but it got put in its place by Zacian. Zacian Crowned is also insane but its recent nerfs have turned it from something unstoppable to somewhat manageable, at least in singles. But Koraidon, along with Miraidon, in their current states are absolutely absurd and have very little holding them back, at least for now.
It hard to determine what the most broken pokemon ever is because the metgames changes so much every generation so I've always consider the most broken pokemon to be the one who dominated the hardest during their peaks. If we are only accounting their peaks gen 1 Mewtwo is in a league of it own. Not only did it have the highest bst at the time, psychic types had no weaknesses(there are no good bug types/bug moves in gen 1, due to a error psychic was immune to ghost but even if that wasn't the case gengar is slower and weak to mewtwo and dark types didn't exist. Not to mention it got barrier which at the time gave a +2 to both spa and spd since there was only one special stat. Not to mention nowadays broken stuff like Zacian Crown/Mega Rayquaza/Miraidon etc. can be revenged killed by a choice scarf mon something you can't do vs gen 1 mewtwo because scarf wasn't a thing yet.
I think Miraidon is actually better than Koraidon. Koraidon might have more usage, sure, but they are literally suspect testing Miraidon in Ubers right now, which should indicate how much better it is
As relatively little use as Mewtwo gets in Ubers these days, it always finds a way to stay relevant such as with Nasty Plot & coverage including a STAB in Psystrike to boot. Maybe such a video on the strongest Mythical Pokémon Ever could be covered separately?
Prediction first: Landorus because of its competitive usage. Giratina, if we go by lore, since it rivals god. Arceus, if we include mythics, because...God.
Well, I was right about paying attention to competitive...and about having three options. Lol. Can't believe I forgot the menace that was Zacian... he gets my vote, because once Tera-fire is gone, koraidon is gonna pop like a balloon to one Play Rough or D. Gleam.
One thing people always forget about: Mega Rayquaza was busted in a generation of completely busted Pokémon. That alone should tell you how absurdly powerful it was.
Everyone else is probably going to say this as well, but Miraidon is significantly better than Koraidon because electric terrain synergizes better with its STABs.
Agreed. Miraidon is just simply better in many facets compared to Koraidon as long as it's in the Singles meta, the well known Smogon and the gimmick ones too because of those reasons. Koraidon only surpasses Miraidon in Doubles at most and it's not like Miraidon can't do decent in Doubles either, especially when Iron Hands are so prevalent there.
There's certainly a case for either of them imo. Miraidon does have the benefit of STAB + being a special attacker, but I do see sun being better for more teams and giving a benefit to more Paradox teammates, since the Past Paradoxes are already very common in VGC. It could go either way!
@@JPRPokeTrainer98 Agreed. As I've said above, I think both of them are different. Koraidon excelling in Doubles and Miraidon in Singles but one can do just fine by using one in opposite formats too. They're different yet capable all the same.
@@GoinGreninjaYes but even in Vgc i think Miraidon is better. The double weakness to fairy type is so annoying and he will share probably usage with Groudon. Even if Koraidon is way better than Groudon,Groudon has few advantages (better bulk,neutral to fairy and a really good aoe stab) that Koraidon don't have who can give a good niche for Groudon. Also the electric type is a better offensive and defensive typing than the fighting type.
@@tchoupivsoui-oui3231 True. But Terastallization exists. So if need be, Koraidon can make a good case by just using Tera Fire, combining with Flare Blitz. That's what people already use in Singles and it keeps up with Miraidon to a small extent, so I wouldn't be surprised. But without Teras, Miraidon is better in Singles without a doubt and somewhat in Doubles, in my opinion.
Well it’s Arceus, it’s the god of the Pokemon world. The only Pokemon that match it are Mega Rayquaza & the Mega Mewtwo’s, but then again those are form changes.
Hey JPR, can you make a video about Grass type combination? I kinda struggle to pick which is the better grass/bla bla type and I think we lack of grass type Pokemon
Mega Rayquaza is the most OP Pokemon. Give it a life orb and it’s a world ender. If we don’t include Megas and Primals which includes a whopping 4 Pokémon one getting a second mega form, I’d argue Rayquaza still kicks @$$ but isn’t the best. Last I checked, Landorus is still dictating competitive. Making a team to use it, counter it, and even use it to counter it.
Miraidon actually makes better use of its ability than koraidon. Putting op electric terrain which boosts its signature stab move. While sun does not boosts koraidons signature stab move.
Weathers are better and more flexible than terrains, in VGC the support they provide is absurd, althrough its true that the sun doesnt increase any koraidon's STAB, techinally gives him an additional fire STAB due to his ability.
@@nicolascastro1417I would say Koraidon be good…. But this is the same gen they introduce one the most powerful fairy type fluttermane do you really want to Tera sink when you could just bring Groudon instead
@@thelatiking5981koraidon ain't a tera sink since he doesn't need to tera to be absurd and he's much better than groudon offensively and only a little worse defensively. Koraidon also counters a lot of restricted and common mons
@@nicolascastro1417 still koraidon is not stronger than miraidon. Koraidon is forced to use a fire-type move along side dragon and fighting to make good use of its ability, which miraidon does not have to do besides it's electric and dragon types. I admit they should be at the same spot as equals and a tie.
If we ignore all of the gimmicks since those tend to give certain mons unfair advantage, its clearly either koraidon or miraidon. Miraidon in particular as its even being suspect teated as of right now for AG. If we go generation wise, only mons that can rival korai and mirai are gen 1 mewtwo and gen 7 zacian. Mega ray is not here since its a mega but if you want you can put it gere too. Surprisingly calyrex wouldn't be that broken since it will not have access to terrastalization to play around its weakness. And it got banned in the first place just because yveltale was not here in this generation.
Gen wise, gen 1 mewtwo is way above all others. People don’t remember how weak Pokémon were back then compared to today. No items, no ability, bad coverages. Mewtwo had it all: best score in the best stat (special), best type in gen 1 (psy was only weak to bug, with the top bug attack being pin missile), top 5 in all of his other stats. The best team you could make in gen 1 was 6 mewtwo. No Pokémon can boast that feat, even if on paper they are stronger. Simply because there are way more powerful Pokémon’s now.
Here are the best legendaries in VGC: Gen 1: Zapdos Gen 2: Entei Gen 3: Kyogre Gen 4: Cresseila Gen 5: You are correct Gen 6: You are correct Gen 7: Tapu Fini Gen 8: Calyrex Shadow Rider Gen 9: Chien-Pao Reasons for false answers: Gen 1: Mewtwo is outclassed by several legendaries Gen 2: Ho-oh has a bad typing and it actually isn’t that strong. Gen 3: Kyogre has more results Gen 4: Cresseila has more results. Gen 7: Ultra Necrozma failed to win worlds and it actually wasn’t that popular due to the power of Incineroar, Primal Pokemon, and the Tapus. Gen 8: Zacian fell off hard in Gen 9, where both Calyrex forms continued to thrive. Gen 9: Koraidon was only legal for a short period and its results can’t really compare to Chien-Pao’s.
It also ruined Unite as far as I remembered. Not exactly sure how since I don't play it, but I did hear it's broken. It's like anywhere she enters, she leaves behind a pile of bones.
it only really loses to ice or rock, and those that it loses to need to oust speed, especially since dragon ascent isn't a dragon type move for some reason
You instantly ruled out articuno who got a major buff in gen 9 thanks to tera, snow, and other factors, and i think it won a regional? I know it won something
I feel like all the DLC Legends get an honourable mention. Urshifu, Ogrepon, Terapagos and Calyrex (at least when he goes horseback riding) have shown to be massively stupid threats. Like why the hell do you give a Pokemon the ability to hit through Protect or masks tha give it good type comboes, a guaranteed STAB move and a 20% buff to physical attacks. Pokemon really needed to make the DLC worth competitive's while I guess.
Happy JPR Friday! Which Legendary Pokemon do you think is the best?
I'd say Miraidon. It's so versatile and powerful that it's not even funny. It has great offenses, the ability helps its offenses even more and it's not that bad defensively either, making it almost a must pick for Gen 9 Ubers and there's even talks of banning him, which I hope they do.
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My favorite is Fezandipiti! But Mega Rayquaza is the strongest for sure.
@@Miiverse227 It was amazing in the first few gens. But powercreep and such made it worse and worse by the years. Yes, it gets more tools every generation. Shame it ain't enough to fight against powercreep, especially when its type holds it back already.
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Mega Rayquaza makes a pretty good case. Absurd stats, ability and the ability to hold items as well leaves you with a living war crime
I feel like Mega Rayquaza is cheating, though. A Mega Zacian would be legit unbeatable.
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He wouldn't though... Since he couldn't hold his Rusted Sword, he couldn't be Crowned Zacian, so the mega-evolution would go based on his normal stats.
Don't get me wrong, he'd still be absurdly strong, (almost the mega-Mewtwos BST) but not that much stronger than the normal Crowned form. More Attack and Speed isn't as good as it seems when you can already kill anything... he'd essentially be more defensive and that's it...
Stat-wise, the crown goes to Eternamax Eternatus, with a whopping 1125 total stats.
Are you talking about VGC, singles, BSS, or in game playthrough
I’d say it’s quite close between Ray and Groupon. While Ray is good enough to make its own tier in singles, it was nowhere near as dominating as Primal Groupon in VGC, which had phenomenal placements, while still being a top tier pick in singles as well. In essence, they basically had reverse results in the formats.
And double that, Groudon saw tons of usage even without that form.
Lore: Arceus
Availability: Mega Rayquazza
Stats as a whole: Eternamax
Breaking rules
Urshifu
@@Oreca2005
Breaking other rules:
Shadow Rider Calyrex
In the context of their own game: Gen 1 Mewtwo.
@@evanatorextreme1065 dark urshifu can one shot that thing only using sucker punch
Breaking the game funbro
I'd argue the best case is probably Kyogre. Sure it didn't peak quite as hard as Rayquaza, but consider the grip it has had for decades now: rain setting, perfect coverage, a broken alternate form, prowess in singles and doubles, and the ability to run a plethora of sets depending on whether it's team needs utility/offense/bulk. Kyogre is the complete package.
Yes Kyogre is the best Pokémon of all time since 3g to 5g,he is really good during 6-7g before and during ROSA and he is really strong in 8g and 9g.Rayquaza is the worst of the trio during the 3/4/5/6(before Rosa)/7/8g in Vgc and Smogon. He is only really broken in 6g and 7g thanks to the Mega but even in Vgc the primals are better. Kyogre is the best of the trio no contest but the video use notably the prime of the legendaries so Rayquaza is better for the video.
Yeah the video was pretty on-point but I think it sold Kyogre short- there's a reason it had a long reign as the "King of Ubers". It has a long history of domination in both singles and VGC.
That and it checks incineroar
@@tchoupivsoui-oui3231 Every time I see someone abbreviate Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire as "ROSA", I have to read it twice to get what they're talking about. :/
Wait until Mega Mewtwo Z happens and then we'll see Mewtwo climbing up the strongest Pokemon ladder
Maybe for PLZA specifically like how Legends Place Arceus is the strongest in only one game. Because we don't know for certain if the new Mega Evolutions introduced will ever hit a mainline game like say Gen 10, and since PLZA will likely not have the ability to do PvP if it takes inspiration from PLA, then it'd just be like them and that's it.
If the next game is Legends Z-A, wouldn't we also get a Mega Mewtwo A?
@@Dad_Shoeswhich basically means we get Mega Charizard A too😦
@@derek5310 Yeah, I'm fine with that. Just as long as the others get new Megas, I wouldn't mind.
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I’d honestly say that Rayquaza gets beat out by Kyogre. Yeah, Mega Rayquaza may have been banned to a new tier, but it’s hard to compete with the fantastic usage and winning results that Kyogre and Primal Kyogre have had for the last 2 decades
The Calyrex-Shadow in the Anything Goes room safe knowing Zacian is the only one getting blasted. Also, I want to say Miraidon is stronger than Koraidon by a little bit because special attacks, even in Ubers, are more valuable than physical ones, and the Electric Terrain Miraidon sets up benefits it even out of context in a vacuum more than Koraidon is with Sun.
Between Koraidon and Miraidon I think it's more a thing of what you want to do with the paradox lizard slot. Miraidon sure has slightly higher possible damage output due to being Electric type in Electric Terrain, but the sun from harsh sunlight essentialy gives Koraidon a 3rd STAB in Fire moves, so it has more build diversity. In the context of Scarlet and Violet with Tera, I'd say that it's better to have more options to hit things for big damage than to have slightly less options to hit things for bigger damage, but once Tera most likely gets swept for a new battle mechanic in the next set of games, Miraidon will probably come out better.
The fact that when I played VGC and singles competively, I had to come up with dedicated strats, to Xerneas and Zacian, and Zacian had the far more fragile counter, I'm gonna go with it on this one.
miraidon in Smogon vgc is a lot stronger than koraidon because miraidon's electric Terrain boost miraidon electric stab to ridiculously high. And Koraidon's Sun doesn't do that for him. Koraidon misses the little thing that makes him truly broken
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I think Calyrex is definitely stronger than Zacian after the nerf. They were pretty close in power before the nerf, calyrex barely missing a ban in gen 8 and that nerf to Zacian was really big.
Miraidon is currently being suspect tested and most likely will be banned to the AG tier... justice for the iron serpent!
It is mega Rayquaza that thing was deemed too OP for Ubers.. I repeat, too OP for Ubers
So was Zacian and Calyrex-S and Miraidon (Only in NatDex so far but it might change). So they've the right to contend as well.
And Zacian is stronger than mega Rayquaza.
Zacian-Crowned would wipe the floor with Mega Rayquaza
@@Jlaps941 Zacian has the type advantage. Of course it would win.
Mega Rayquaza however tore Smogon to pieces from day 1, Zacian did not
@@Jlaps941Mega rayquaza don’t cripple by burning and intimidate Zacian in other hand is forced to hold rusted sword mega rayquaza can run special move with 180 sp.atk and can hold any items
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It's either that or Eternamax Eternatus, but due to the fact E-Max Eternatus is illegal to use period it doesn't count.
"When Koraidon becomes legal I'm sure it'll be one of the strongest Pokémon for many years to come"
Flutter Mane:
Heck even Play Rough from Zacian is gonna hurt a lot. But yeah Flutter Mane is going to destroy it, especially with being further buffed by said Koriadon’s ability.
I've been seeing a lot of people comment that Koraidon won't see much play because of Flutter Mane, but I completely disagree. Firstly, they naturally have a speed tie, so who has the highest speed investment will likely KO the other before it can do anything. The thing is that given Koraidon's much higher and better distributed base stats in its bulk it will have much less to lose going fully 252 Jolly than Flutter Mane going 252 Timid. "Oh but Flutter Mane can start with Incineroar for Intimidate + Fake Out" and Koraidon use Protect alongside a Calyrex Shadow next to it to give 0 care for Fake Out + still threaten Flutter Mane all in one. Secondly, in reg E H-Arcanine was also 4x weak to AND ALSO SLOWER than both Urshifu Water and Lando-T, "just" the 2 the most splashable and omnipresent mons that got added in reg D and that stayed that all the way through reg E and, even with all this against it, H-Arcanine only did not win 2 reg E events (one of which it even finished 2nd, so it could very well have won), so I think its very possible this happens with Koraidon x Flutter Mane as well. And lastly, althought Koraidon is yet to become legal in VGC, both it and Flutter have been usable in the Smogon singles since forever and it has not stopped Koraidon from becoming the 1# used mon and threat there for quite a while now (I know singles and doubles have completely different approaches, but if Flutter Mane was this absolutely anti-Koraidon beast that wouldn't ever let it see the light of day, then for sure Koraidon wouldn't be as good as it is in Ubers). Flutter Mane is a good counter against it in singles and for sure will be in VGC as well, but not to the point of COMPLETELY KILLING ITS VIABILITY BEFORE IT EVEN BEGINS like many are claiming and like Incineroar does to pretty much every Intimidate user in VGC when it becomes legal).
@@tezminator Orachalchum pulse can't increase Koraidon's speed, so as long as Flutter Mane is Protosynthesis speed it will always outspeed and if Flutter is paired with a ground type partner it can cover for any potential tera type, one of those ground types is the alternate sun setter, Groudon
@@Your_LocalWizard indeed Orichalcum Pulse only increases attack, but Choice Scarf sets will level the field again on speed terms (and even before the new regulation drops it's pretty much certain that it will be a popular item due to the existence of faster Fairy than Flutter Mane in base speed being Zacian-C capable of not only hurting a lot like other people have commented, but outright threatening a straight up OHKO on Koraidon with Play Rough). And on partners topic, there's the Calyrex Shadow I mentioned before, but there's also Groudon's favorite blue with red details fish friend Kyogre, which has more Sp. attack, Spdef and HP than Flutter + turns off the boost that it gets from Orichalcum Pulse. It may look like anti synergy to use Kyogre and Koraidon together, but one beats what the other can't, so you just have to get a good positioning in which weather to be active and you're good to go.
Saying something will not be good because just flutter mane is laughable lol. Urshifu, both forms, has seen huge successes when glitter mane was right there even being much slower than flutter. Mon needs to do bad into other things to be bad too. And it's not. It's good into both urshifus, raging bolt, and all the other format staples. If we account for legendaries it's really only zacian matchup which can be solved with Tera and speed controls. It do good into literally everything else.
Koraidon for many generations to come? Nah just wait next gen they'll somehow manage to cook some atrocity that's way more powerful.
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Landorus, 100%. That thing has been a menace since its introduction in Gen V
Without any mega or dynamax, defenetely Calyrex shadow rider or Ice rider
While I don’t deny Koraidon deserved to be the Paldea rep in this video, Miraidon being legalized might bring it into the discussion too. If not for raw power, which it definitely has, then for the same support related reasons as Koraidon; while the past paradox Pokémon have had Torkoal to assist them, the future paradoxes are also extremely popular picks that have effectively been battling without an ability this whole time because Pincurchin sucks and Booster Energy is too great of an opportunity cost (at least for Iron Hands). And while Electric Terrain doesn’t directly affect the type matchups like Sun, it’ll practically kill off Amoongus’s usage, put Rillaboom in an awkward spot, and promote the electric types that are already popular (like Iron Hands…).
Probably Calyrex S, that thing was absurdly strong even before Tera, it is an unstoppable menace that saw massive usage even with a garbage matchup in the meta Pokémon of Incineroar and being hard walled by Yveltal in Ubers
W to Koraidon w thumbnail JPR
Fun fact: we almost have enough Pokemon to make a team Pokemon who were once or are banned to AG. Arceus in gen 4, Mega Rayquaza in gens 6 + 7, Zacian in gen 8, Shadow Calyrex in gen 9, and the potential ban of Miraidon.
Mega Ray for me. I remember the handheld oras back in the day, I had a shiny adamant 100% ivs (got it on a random trade for zigzagoon 😮) and it was an absolute monster. One dragon dance and it would kill everything, and even super effective hits would bounce off. It was honestly cheap AF, and the only way to handle it was to hit the sd variant with foul play, if you could survive
I know this has a lot of opinions behind it, but my favorite legendary is Solgaleo. I love that Pokémon. His ability full metal body prevents his stats from being lowered by other Pokémon and himself. And he has pretty solid HP. I use him on S/V online battles, he is an absolute tank. I usually win. My set includes Arceus, Solgaleo and either mewtwo or Zacian. I always bring solgaleo out last. I use stellar terra from. My preferred moveset for solgaleo is sunsteel strike, zen headbutt, morning sun, and flame charge or some sort of fire move. I think solgaleo is under appreciated.
Gen 1 Mewtwo was even more broken than the games themselves. The nerf they gave it was necesary cause it would be dominating VCG ti’ll this day.
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Not gonna lie. I had no idea what you looked like. Like a young Charlie Schene
I've heard Tom Holland before but this is a new one lol
Downplaying the domination of landerous T a bit here. Dude was a terror for like 4 metas even now terra flying claps urshifu which i feel is a bit downplayed too. The 3 you picked aren't necessarily wrong though
I'd just like to point Smogon is currently suspect testing Miraidon and not Koraidon. Miraidon is insane.
Give Mega Arcanine the Dragon Type and an Ability that converts Normal moves to Fire and he'll be top tier Legendary!
What's wrong with Flare Blitz?
Considering Miraidon is being suspected tested atm I would say it but it's very close as both it and Koraidon are super good but yeah SpA is a bit more valuable in ubers especially right now it can also support Paradox Delibird boosting it's speed which is v valuable
Power creep really hurts the older mon.
Well in gen 8 I would have put caly shadow cuz well right now it's just insane
Landorus-Therian is the reason I don't play competitive anymore. For years it was just so prominent that looking at it pissed me off. I especially hated how so many teams were all the same dang four or five Pokémon. I like creativity and fun in Pokémon battles, the Meta existing as strong as it was back then took all the fun out of it.
"How you gonna be the GOAT with no rings?!" I'm dying lol
Love seeing you rep the State shirt!
isn't this basically the case of power creep? I know I'm just a stupid people who try to oversimplified everything, but if you argue that Koraidon as the strongest one, then it just in the case that Scarlet and Violet are the latest games, so of course GameFreak will make the latest game their best game ever.....at least "yet", as they will make new games again in the future, and the power creep issue will come again......
From sinnoh You should have chosen cresselia or heatran
Aron with Sturdy, Endeavour and Shell Bell go brrr
It's funny to see this post Worlds 2024 where Lando-I was 2nd, Urshifu was in all but one top 8 team and Zacian + Koraidon were nowhere to be seen in the top 16 while Zamazenta got 3rd and Miraidon 1st (even Terapagos placed decently, although I agree it's gonna fall off a cliff depending on how GF handles it in future games)
Also the Caly riders were weirdly slept on
I'd argue for Miraidon being stronger as it's being suspect tested. So it might get banned from ubers a feat few legendaries have ever achieved and which Koraidon (currently) isn't.
Right but even though koraidon usage is much higher?
@@tylersmith1639Miraidon is more broken in a sense that it is harder to check. Specs or calm mind then you just clean 2hko almost everyone on ubers. I think it should be on the video, because it is truly what is "strongest". But the reason why koraidon got more usage is what was stated in the video, the team playing factor that let it be more splashable(doesn't mean miraidon isn't splashable too lol that mon is still #2)
Then why isn't calyrex-shadow the strongest because its actually banned from ubers?
@@xian2themax better home region reps. Both zacian forms are ag in gen 8. Only 1 instance of AG Caly-S.
Calling it now, Mega Rayquaza will be a super-boss in Legends Z-A
Thumbnail exudes raw “DINKLBURG!!” Energy
It's funny that when zamazenta and zacian became legal in gen 9 zacian fell down and zamazenta became cracked after being given body press
We have two sides to Fairy/Steel. The monsters that are Zacian Crowned and Mega Mawile and the goofballs of Klefki and the Tinkatink line.
Mega Mawile has the power associated with Fairy/Steel and Huge Power.
Klefki with the resistances Fairy/Steel brought that got Swagger banned forever despite Prankster Swagger existing before .
Tinkaton with an insanely powerful signature Steel move.
Zacian Crowned with all the above.
I dont quite get your reasoning on Landorus for gen 5. I mean yeah, Lando-T super common on teams... in OU. The Mascots have all always been Ubers.
Also, while Koraidon does have higher usage, Miraidon was actually suspect tested for AG.
So arguably the strongest is Artorius' doggo. Can't imagine how OP Artoruis would be then if he too were a pokemon.
I think Kyogre is actually one of the strongest legendaries, although Xerneas is very close.
Also, I don't think Zacian or Koraidon will have as much usage in VGC as you think. A lot of people I'm talking to think Koraidon's going to be underwhelming, maybe niche at best, and I haven't heard really anyone talking about Zacian.
Good video though, your reasoning seems solid!
I feel like Gen 1 Mewtwo is the strongest legendary if we’re talking about when they were introduced. There were less than a handful of pokemon that could stand up to it, the Gen 1 special stat + amnesia made it absurdly overpowered, and everyone knows how OP Gen 1 psychic type is. Mega Rayquaza is crazy powerful but it at least had a couple of counters in Gen 6, namely fairy types like Xerneas and faster, hard hitting dragon types. Dark and steel didn’t exist in Gen 1 (and were made *because* of OP psychic types like Mewtwo) and the only type that resisted psychic… was psychic itself
Of the three legendaries you mentioned, I would say Koraidon is the strongest legendary of them all.
There's just something absurd about a Pokemon that can set up weather/terrain while gaining free stat boosts on top of that... while still having the ability to set up even further.
Sure Xerneas is absurd with Geomancy but it got put in its place by Zacian.
Zacian Crowned is also insane but its recent nerfs have turned it from something unstoppable to somewhat manageable, at least in singles.
But Koraidon, along with Miraidon, in their current states are absolutely absurd and have very little holding them back, at least for now.
Other than e-max it's mega ray. It can run literally any item and can attack from either side. No other AG mon can do that
What about Shadow Rider Calyrex?
My vote goes to gen 1 mewtwo. There wasnt a single pokemon that could beat it, where the others have counters one way or another.
It hard to determine what the most broken pokemon ever is because the metgames changes so much every generation so I've always consider the most broken pokemon to be the one who dominated the hardest during their peaks. If we are only accounting
their peaks gen 1 Mewtwo is in a league of it own. Not only did it have the highest bst at the time, psychic types had no weaknesses(there are no good bug types/bug moves in gen 1, due to a error psychic was immune to ghost but even if that wasn't the case gengar is slower and weak to mewtwo and dark types didn't exist. Not to mention it got barrier which at the time gave a +2 to both spa and spd since there was only one special stat. Not to mention nowadays broken stuff like Zacian Crown/Mega Rayquaza/Miraidon etc. can be revenged killed by a choice scarf mon something you can't do vs gen 1 mewtwo because scarf wasn't a thing yet.
I think Miraidon is actually better than Koraidon. Koraidon might have more usage, sure, but they are literally suspect testing Miraidon in Ubers right now, which should indicate how much better it is
So many elite 4 runs with just Mewtwo or Kyogre in leaf green and Moon.
As relatively little use as Mewtwo gets in Ubers these days, it always finds a way to stay relevant such as with Nasty Plot & coverage including a STAB in Psystrike to boot. Maybe such a video on the strongest Mythical Pokémon Ever could be covered separately?
Imo Meg Rayquaza his god movepool including V-Create and you HAD to run him if you where playing when he was legal in UBERS
Prediction first: Landorus because of its competitive usage.
Giratina, if we go by lore, since it rivals god.
Arceus, if we include mythics, because...God.
Well, I was right about paying attention to competitive...and about having three options. Lol.
Can't believe I forgot the menace that was Zacian... he gets my vote, because once Tera-fire is gone, koraidon is gonna pop like a balloon to one Play Rough or D. Gleam.
Landorus T is back to top 10 usage in Gen 9 OU btw
I'm confused, what is bad about Zygarde? It's 100% form is apparently really strong and bulky.
I gotta be honest. Your thumbnails have gotten so advanced that there are moments where I don’t notice that JPR made them 😂
Heatran wasn't a contender for gen 4?
One thing people always forget about: Mega Rayquaza was busted in a generation of completely busted Pokémon. That alone should tell you how absurdly powerful it was.
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It's going to be down to Mega Rayquaza and Zacian Crowned isn't it?
Even though koraidon has higher usage, miraidon might be the one getting banned from ubers
Everyone else is probably going to say this as well, but Miraidon is significantly better than Koraidon because electric terrain synergizes better with its STABs.
Agreed. Miraidon is just simply better in many facets compared to Koraidon as long as it's in the Singles meta, the well known Smogon and the gimmick ones too because of those reasons. Koraidon only surpasses Miraidon in Doubles at most and it's not like Miraidon can't do decent in Doubles either, especially when Iron Hands are so prevalent there.
There's certainly a case for either of them imo. Miraidon does have the benefit of STAB + being a special attacker, but I do see sun being better for more teams and giving a benefit to more Paradox teammates, since the Past Paradoxes are already very common in VGC. It could go either way!
@@JPRPokeTrainer98 Agreed. As I've said above, I think both of them are different. Koraidon excelling in Doubles and Miraidon in Singles but one can do just fine by using one in opposite formats too. They're different yet capable all the same.
@@GoinGreninjaYes but even in Vgc i think Miraidon is better. The double weakness to fairy type is so annoying and he will share probably usage with Groudon. Even if Koraidon is way better than Groudon,Groudon has few advantages (better bulk,neutral to fairy and a really good aoe stab) that Koraidon don't have who can give a good niche for Groudon. Also the electric type is a better offensive and defensive typing than the fighting type.
@@tchoupivsoui-oui3231 True. But Terastallization exists. So if need be, Koraidon can make a good case by just using Tera Fire, combining with Flare Blitz. That's what people already use in Singles and it keeps up with Miraidon to a small extent, so I wouldn't be surprised. But without Teras, Miraidon is better in Singles without a doubt and somewhat in Doubles, in my opinion.
Well it’s Arceus, it’s the god of the Pokemon world. The only Pokemon that match it are Mega Rayquaza & the Mega Mewtwo’s, but then again those are form changes.
Arceus is a Mythical Pokémon. That's why he wasn't brought up this video.
Hey JPR, can you make a video about Grass type combination? I kinda struggle to pick which is the better grass/bla bla type and I think we lack of grass type Pokemon
Mega Rayquaza is the most OP Pokemon. Give it a life orb and it’s a world ender.
If we don’t include Megas and Primals which includes a whopping 4 Pokémon one getting a second mega form, I’d argue Rayquaza still kicks @$$ but isn’t the best.
Last I checked, Landorus is still dictating competitive. Making a team to use it, counter it, and even use it to counter it.
They need to release all the games on the switch e-shop
Miraidon actually makes better use of its ability than koraidon. Putting op electric terrain which boosts its signature stab move. While sun does not boosts koraidons signature stab move.
Weathers are better and more flexible than terrains, in VGC the support they provide is absurd, althrough its true that the sun doesnt increase any koraidon's STAB, techinally gives him an additional fire STAB due to his ability.
@@nicolascastro1417I would say Koraidon be good…. But this is the same gen they introduce one the most powerful fairy type fluttermane do you really want to Tera sink when you could just bring Groudon instead
@@thelatiking5981koraidon ain't a tera sink since he doesn't need to tera to be absurd and he's much better than groudon offensively and only a little worse defensively. Koraidon also counters a lot of restricted and common mons
@@nicolascastro1417 still koraidon is not stronger than miraidon. Koraidon is forced to use a fire-type move along side dragon and fighting to make good use of its ability, which miraidon does not have to do besides it's electric and dragon types. I admit they should be at the same spot as equals and a tie.
For gen 5 think kyurem-White is better than lando in terms of strength. Now in terms of versatility and utility, lando is better.
Nowadays with Dragon Dance and Loaded Dice, Kyurem-Black is better.
If we ignore all of the gimmicks since those tend to give certain mons unfair advantage, its clearly either koraidon or miraidon. Miraidon in particular as its even being suspect teated as of right now for AG.
If we go generation wise, only mons that can rival korai and mirai are gen 1 mewtwo and gen 7 zacian. Mega ray is not here since its a mega but if you want you can put it gere too.
Surprisingly calyrex wouldn't be that broken since it will not have access to terrastalization to play around its weakness. And it got banned in the first place just because yveltale was not here in this generation.
Gen wise, gen 1 mewtwo is way above all others. People don’t remember how weak Pokémon were back then compared to today. No items, no ability, bad coverages. Mewtwo had it all: best score in the best stat (special), best type in gen 1 (psy was only weak to bug, with the top bug attack being pin missile), top 5 in all of his other stats.
The best team you could make in gen 1 was 6 mewtwo. No Pokémon can boast that feat, even if on paper they are stronger. Simply because there are way more powerful Pokémon’s now.
@@jeanlou3playground bully mewtwo
Their abilities are gimmicky and give them a huge advantage. Also they have busted signature moves
Here are the best legendaries in VGC:
Gen 1: Zapdos
Gen 2: Entei
Gen 3: Kyogre
Gen 4: Cresseila
Gen 5: You are correct
Gen 6: You are correct
Gen 7: Tapu Fini
Gen 8: Calyrex Shadow Rider
Gen 9: Chien-Pao
Reasons for false answers:
Gen 1: Mewtwo is outclassed by several legendaries
Gen 2: Ho-oh has a bad typing and it actually isn’t that strong.
Gen 3: Kyogre has more results
Gen 4: Cresseila has more results.
Gen 7: Ultra Necrozma failed to win worlds and it actually wasn’t that popular due to the power of Incineroar, Primal Pokemon, and the Tapus.
Gen 8: Zacian fell off hard in Gen 9, where both Calyrex forms continued to thrive.
Gen 9: Koraidon was only legal for a short period and its results can’t really compare to Chien-Pao’s.
Your criteria was all over the place, changing pokemon to pokemon, and I don't think you answered the question in your title. Constructive criticism
It is insane to just not have kyogre be an option…like it should have won but not even being an option is nuts!
Greninja is the best.
Zacian also ruined the TCG when combined with ADP, creating probably the closest to a Tier 0 format as the game had seen in years.
It also ruined Unite as far as I remembered. Not exactly sure how since I don't play it, but I did hear it's broken. It's like anywhere she enters, she leaves behind a pile of bones.
You do realize that as soon as Gen 10 rolls around this will need to be updated
Why did you go Palkia over Heatran or Cresselia?
I hate the “you decide” ending
I thought Miraidon was being considered to be banned from Ubers though making him better than Koraidon
Love the star wars reference
Just noticedwhy did you change your name from JPRPoketrainer98 to JPR?
Easier to find and better for branding probably. Short and sweet means it will pop up easier if you search it.
Waaaaait a minute. Who's that trainer battling Koraidon? 😏
mega rayquaza low difs most of the dex, why do think megas have been gone for so long
it only really loses to ice or rock, and those that it loses to need to oust speed, especially since dragon ascent isn't a dragon type move for some reason
Hmm Ultra Necrozma Arceus Rayquaza Mega Zacian Crowned Mirraidon Korraidon.
Somehow I didn't watch this when it premiered. Time to fix that! Why shouldn't I watch a video from someone as cool as JPR? :)
Why didn't Creselia or Heatran make the list?
They have both been on winning worlds teams multiple times
No love for Snorlax with 50% winrate, as everyone has one on their team.
JPR did this whole video to say “hey idk” 😭😭😭😭
They wanna ban miraidon from ubers but not koraidon.... Hmmm
Arceus created the multiverse and the concepts of time, space and antimatter
You instantly ruled out articuno who got a major buff in gen 9 thanks to tera, snow, and other factors, and i think it won a regional? I know it won something
I feel like all the DLC Legends get an honourable mention. Urshifu, Ogrepon, Terapagos and Calyrex (at least when he goes horseback riding) have shown to be massively stupid threats. Like why the hell do you give a Pokemon the ability to hit through Protect or masks tha give it good type comboes, a guaranteed STAB move and a 20% buff to physical attacks. Pokemon really needed to make the DLC worth competitive's while I guess.
Dusk mane is definetly better that dawn wings no contest