If anything it ages better as time passes. Like a good wine when it was first pressed out it was mid, but as time passes it seems to develop a very unique and distinct flavor.
Fun fact: This is based on a WW2 German concept called the Ratte. Basically a ridiculously large tank with naval guns on top. The idea was scrapped for number of reasons. Large engine means it consumes more fuel and due to its size, it’ll be an easy target for enemy bombers.
Pretty sure the Ratte was only ever conceived as a way for the weapon design teams to stave off being handed Panzerfausts and sent to the rapidly collapsing Eastern Front.
It's usually referred to as a bracketing, when using the big guns to confirm the range. You have rangefinders on the ship, but they can't be exactly perfect. When you can bracket a ship, you then fire for effect. And a big mess happens. I am glad to learn the terms that other nations and languages learn. Kanteki. I will have to remember that.
I watched it last Week and i can only agree, even if i have to watch this Anime here... its really not that difficult to make a Protagonist better than this Redhead from Requiem...
Big tray: I travel by hovering and can go over water Dobday: t r a c k s Zeon made hoverbikes and the Gallop-class but couldn't give the Dobday any better propulsion.
1:33 I really like the small detail that despite being centuries more advance than the the old steam and diesel-powered ships in the 2pth century, this land battleship still utilizes engine telegraphs to communicate when to slow down and stop
I remember this thing looking hella vulnerable in the older DC/PS2 era games compared to something like the Big Tray or the Gallop. It never did any serious bombardment like in the video, it just mostly stood there and maybe occasionally got shot off if you’re positioned in just the right spot.
I'll be honest and you all can call me stupid for saying this. But I still prefer MS Igloo over Requiem. One feels like a genuine passion project while the ladder doesn't. I remember far more scenes from Igloo while I can hardly remember anything about Requiem, other than the questionable ending.
WELL goef with gatling shield scenes were awesome , and yeah characters were a bit wokish especially that tatoo girl but then again , mercs have those tatoos , but overfocus on women doing all was what kept the series on backfoot , a balanced approach would have been much more welcome by the audience.
@@arnoldshmitt4969 My brother of the stars. I don't give an f about the characters being women. I care about their motivations, personality, their role in the story. This is Gundam. The series as a whole has always been woke and had always have women in high positions and taking apart in massive events. Go outside. Touch grass.
This reminds me of the USN's unluckiest destroyer in WW2. Essentially, she shot down the Kamikaze fighter that was aiming for her. But the crew was oblivious about the danger of the explosive onboard that Zero as it was sinking. They sailed over the Zero and it exploded, sinking the destroyer. Luckily, almost (maybe) all crew members escaped.
So fun and ridiculous concept of the tank the same as Soviet TG, German Ratte and land battleships from many sci-fi books for example, Bolo series. The tank from this movie has no forcefield, no anti-gravity engines, no high speed mode, no lasers, missles, drones to defend itself. One huge vulnerable target especially in gandam series cartoons where high-energy weapon and missles are common things.
It was most likely a Prototype Big Tray the Federation had lying around. That or it was a Prototype Super Tank that Zeon decided to complete and use as their Landship for heavier assaults
@solaireofastora5999 it's not federation design, the federation tends to a more angular design philosophy whereas zeon more tends towards a more rounded design. Remember Zeon also built the Gaw and jukon class subs. The zeon started building earthside forces after they made successful planetfall which makes sense, to build and transport equipment to earth from side 3 would be a logistical nightmare.
@@colinbielat8558like i said, it could be a leftover super tank that was laying on Earth. Possibly a prototype the Federation had for a Big Tray but then they opted for the current Big Tray and Zeon found this prototype or unfinished Super Tank on Earth and decided to complete and mass produce
@@erniestrother3545 nope. They are their own thing, due to origins being an alt tineline UC. These are Assault Guntanks. They are made of pure insanity and death.
So, is there a reason we couldn't use all the pre-existing artillery that would have invalidated mobile suits without tacking them onto a giant Glorified toy concept first? Because this thing's existence seems to invalidate the idea that long range combat can't work due to esoteric particles making targeting impossible.
@@Xenostriker_jg4300 Ironically, I think the problem isn't even the Minovsky Particles. I just don't think there's enough space left on it for point defense. It does have space on it's back, but that space is apparently used either as a landing pad or to carry mobile suits. And even if it did mount point defense there, I don't think it would be able to cover the important areas, mainly the front arc.
This doesn't show that but in the entire battle, The Dobday was basically a Artillery Platform that kept hindering the Assault located far behind enemy line. The Dobday has more firepower in terms of artillery than the Big Tray but it's Slow moving and is moreso used as artillery platforms compared to Big trays that can be used to move into the enemy while firing. 3 suicide Guntanks were sent it as a suicide units to close in on the enemy line and destroy the Dobday.
Pratically it was an Ogre-like tank, but an orbital strike from the orbit should suffice to deal with it . There was an old anime with a similar concept, Heavy Object, it was very ironic that these "invincible" weapons were eliminated by....humble infantrymen!😀
So...if whatever powers those tank mechs is so incredibly powerful, why isn't there a weapon that uses that power source as a warhead? Gorgeous animation, utterly stupid story lines. One air plane? Really? A field full of giant targets and one airplane shows up? Spent the entire budget on mechs, no money left for aerospace?
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Ms igloo holds up suprisingly well for its age
If anything it ages better as time passes. Like a good wine when it was first pressed out it was mid, but as time passes it seems to develop a very unique and distinct flavor.
The Mobile Suit 3D models and overall sound design is really good. I especially love how the Zaku machine gun sounds
Ms Igloo 2 is the one that looks good, which includes this.
Takes the newest CGI to beat em.the requiem vengeance
Fun fact: This is based on a WW2 German concept called the Ratte. Basically a ridiculously large tank with naval guns on top. The idea was scrapped for number of reasons. Large engine means it consumes more fuel and due to its size, it’ll be an easy target for enemy bombers.
Pretty sure the Ratte was only ever conceived as a way for the weapon design teams to stave off being handed Panzerfausts and sent to the rapidly collapsing Eastern Front.
The big tray looks more like the Ratte than this. I feel like they based the zeon Landship more off of an imperial Japanese warship
The P-1000 Ratté right? That thing is pretty insane haha
ratté is very similiar to the word raté which mean failure in french lol
There's no é in the name, by the way. Just a regular e :P.
1:30 certified ArmA vehicle moment.
'Hits and comically flys into orbit'
"Hello! I'd like to talk to you about the word of our saviour, the 16-inch cannon!"
Well now you have to do a video on the Federation Big Tray class!
ミノフスキーでレーダーやミサイルが使えないからって大砲移動させながら目視で観測して撃つスタイルになったの脳筋すぎて好き
「陸上戦艦」って言葉ロマンあるよね
レーダー、ミサイルの脅威が無ければただの航空機全盛期やぞ
航空機に駆逐される歴史を繰り返すまでがロマン
@@ryuhd-m3n 人は同じ過ちを繰り返すんやぞ
I like sound of the alarm before firing
0:21「カンテキ弾(観的弾?)、挟叉!」
分かりやすく言うと試し撃ちした砲撃が目標を挟む様に着弾したので、射撃データの修正要らず、と言う意味になる。
基本、「挟叉」したら次弾は当たると思って間違いないので斉射に移行して問題ない。
海軍及び海戦要素がほぼ無い重力戦線に置いてダブデ級陸戦艇やビッグトレーらがある種、古来の洋上戦艦的な描かれ方をしている本作ならではの演出。
なお「観的弾(?)」なる砲撃は少なくとも自衛隊用語には無い(観測弾はある)ので、実在する用語を元にした造語と思われる。
元弓道部ですが、矢が的に的中するか見るポジション、行為を「看的」と呼びます。関係あるか分かりませんがご参考に
追記:調べてみたら射撃においても看的という用語があったので、やはり看的弾なんですかね
It's usually referred to as a bracketing, when using the big guns to confirm the range. You have rangefinders on the ship, but they can't be exactly perfect. When you can bracket a ship, you then fire for effect. And a big mess happens. I am glad to learn the terms that other nations and languages learn. Kanteki. I will have to remember that.
I swear land battles are alot more interesting than space battles in UC.
I thought the title said Diddy class land battleship for a minute.
Giggity battleship.
this is 10000 times better than Gundam Requiem for Vengeance.
MS IGLOO 2 Gravity Front came out in 2008
Aileen is a more consistently written and sympathetic character than that child-abandoner imo.
I watched it last Week and i can only agree, even if i have to watch this Anime here... its really not that difficult to make a Protagonist better than this Redhead from Requiem...
And... the human movement overall is also better than RfV. Even when the vehicles were hit and destroyed, no glitchy move whatsoever.
Sweet
Big tray: I travel by hovering and can go over water
Dobday: t r a c k s
Zeon made hoverbikes and the Gallop-class but couldn't give the Dobday any better propulsion.
That's because Zeon didn't create it. Iirc, they were being made in Russia and Zeon captured them.
The coolest the Dobday has ever been!
1:33 I really like the small detail that despite being centuries more advance than the the old steam and diesel-powered ships in the 2pth century, this land battleship still utilizes engine telegraphs to communicate when to slow down and stop
イグルーのダブデのどっしりとした雰囲気と効果音だいすき
I remember this thing looking hella vulnerable in the older DC/PS2 era games compared to something like the Big Tray or the Gallop. It never did any serious bombardment like in the video, it just mostly stood there and maybe occasionally got shot off if you’re positioned in just the right spot.
I'll be honest and you all can call me stupid for saying this.
But I still prefer MS Igloo over Requiem. One feels like a genuine passion project while the ladder doesn't. I remember far more scenes from Igloo while I can hardly remember anything about Requiem, other than the questionable ending.
This comment 👍👍👍
WELL goef with gatling shield scenes were awesome , and yeah characters were a bit wokish especially that tatoo girl but then again , mercs have those tatoos , but overfocus on women doing all was what kept the series on backfoot , a balanced approach would have been much more welcome by the audience.
@@arnoldshmitt4969
My brother of the stars.
I don't give an f about the characters being women. I care about their motivations, personality, their role in the story. This is Gundam. The series as a whole has always been woke and had always have women in high positions and taking apart in massive events. Go outside. Touch grass.
Requiem didn't feel like it was made by people who know Gundam.
@@arnoldshmitt4969 there's always gotta be some freak like you who takes issue with something so minor as women in high ranking positions
This reminds me of the USN's unluckiest destroyer in WW2. Essentially, she shot down the Kamikaze fighter that was aiming for her. But the crew was oblivious about the danger of the explosive onboard that Zero as it was sinking. They sailed over the Zero and it exploded, sinking the destroyer. Luckily, almost (maybe) all crew members escaped.
MANNN i wish this becomes an rts game
Hell yes!
I really want bandai to make larger vehicles and ships to display alongside hgs, ofc smaller vehicles too, idc abt the price
So fun and ridiculous concept of the tank the same as Soviet TG, German Ratte and land battleships from many sci-fi books for example, Bolo series.
The tank from this movie has no forcefield, no anti-gravity engines, no high speed mode, no lasers, missles, drones to defend itself. One huge vulnerable target especially in gandam series cartoons where high-energy weapon and missles are common things.
I love combined arms warfare.
Where did Zeon build these? Were they built on Earth?
Sort of. IIRC they were found half-finished in Russia during the initial invasion and completed by Zeon.
It was most likely a Prototype Big Tray the Federation had lying around. That or it was a Prototype Super Tank that Zeon decided to complete and use as their Landship for heavier assaults
@solaireofastora5999 it's not federation design, the federation tends to a more angular design philosophy whereas zeon more tends towards a more rounded design. Remember Zeon also built the Gaw and jukon class subs. The zeon started building earthside forces after they made successful planetfall which makes sense, to build and transport equipment to earth from side 3 would be a logistical nightmare.
@@solaireofastora5999 Could have been an intended competitor to the Big Tray that lost out in federation procurement trials and was mothballed.
@@colinbielat8558like i said, it could be a leftover super tank that was laying on Earth. Possibly a prototype the Federation had for a Big Tray but then they opted for the current Big Tray and Zeon found this prototype or unfinished Super Tank on Earth and decided to complete and mass produce
I never seen Guntanks move so fast.
Assault Guntank. The most Thinderbolt MS outside of Thunderbolt. The things are made of crack and murder.
It's an assault type guntank
@ is this the same one that Char used in origins?
@@erniestrother3545 nope. They are their own thing, due to origins being an alt tineline UC. These are Assault Guntanks. They are made of pure insanity and death.
@@erniestrother3545No, that's the Early type.
I remember this as the Dabude...😅
It depends on the translation among other things.
So much better then the same battle in Requiem for vengeance!
So, is there a reason we couldn't use all the pre-existing artillery that would have invalidated mobile suits without tacking them onto a giant Glorified toy concept first?
Because this thing's existence seems to invalidate the idea that long range combat can't work due to esoteric particles making targeting impossible.
［タブデ級］
ジオン軍の陸上戦艦。
ホバーではなく履帯を採用している為、
移動能力は高め。
0:06 and just like that, a single MS team got wiped out. :x
That thing would be a logistics nightmare let alone maintenance on those treds.
That thing is such an enticing, tempting target for a strategic nuclear strike.
All it’s missing is Close in point defenses. Like I’m talking the kind that shoots incoming missiles down.
well it has the anti-aircraft guns for some of that, otherwise it relies on the mobile suits escorting it for that.
It should but, there's this annoying thing that exists in this universe called Minovsky Particles that disrupts the effective use of CIWS's.
@@Xenostriker_jg4300 Ironically, I think the problem isn't even the Minovsky Particles. I just don't think there's enough space left on it for point defense.
It does have space on it's back, but that space is apparently used either as a landing pad or to carry mobile suits. And even if it did mount point defense there, I don't think it would be able to cover the important areas, mainly the front arc.
@strcmdrbookwyrm Hadn't thought of it that way, thanks for the additional information.
Tbh Flak can still defend against missiles.
実は初代本編において登場したシーンがごく僅かだったダブデ陸戦艇…。ゲームだとジオン側拠点だったり、ターゲットだったりするから見慣れてはいたけど…
それはそうと動画最初あたりの着弾音が東宝特撮ではおなじみの爆発音に聴こえたのは気のせいか？
Let's just leave our biggest asset with little escort, unless I'm missing something
The clip just doesn't show it. The assault guntanks needed to fight through a bunch of Zakus and some Doms to reach it.
This doesn't show that but in the entire battle, The Dobday was basically a Artillery Platform that kept hindering the Assault located far behind enemy line. The Dobday has more firepower in terms of artillery than the Big Tray but it's Slow moving and is moreso used as artillery platforms compared to Big trays that can be used to move into the enemy while firing. 3 suicide Guntanks were sent it as a suicide units to close in on the enemy line and destroy the Dobday.
0:21 砲撃前の警報めちゃ好き
Why Bandai don't make models?
Where can you watch this? Is it streamed?
地上砲艦が戦術レベルで成り立っているのはミノフスキー粒子の影響かな？
原作ではさほど活躍してなかったな
爆撃機が主役な印象だった
tv版は砲撃戦じゃなく謎の一騎打ちで衝突してたな
かなりあっさりで雑(笑)
Igloo best grunt action.😊
Anyone else read it as the Daddy Class?
ダブデの強さを改めました。
is this a game or show?
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front is a 3-episode CGI-animated OVA.
連ジのミッションで、1隻(護衛のMS無し)のダブデをプレイヤー機とNPC陸ジム3機で時間内に撃破するミッション思い出してしまったｗ
爆発オチなんてサイテー！
Pratically it was an Ogre-like tank, but an orbital strike from the orbit should suffice to deal with it .
There was an old anime with a similar concept, Heavy Object, it was very ironic that these "invincible" weapons were eliminated by....humble infantrymen!😀
Name of this movie please?!
series MS IGLOO 2
@jhhkthecollector7635 Thx.
Whats this from?
MS IGLOO 2 ep. 3
is this scene from an anime or wut?
series Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front
ダブデ級陸上戦艦
ジオン公国軍地球攻撃軍が保有する陸上戦艦
搭載されている兵装は左右両舷に連装砲を一基ずつ､対空砲を艦橋周辺に数基配置している
推進方法は､ホバークラフト式の連邦軍陸上戦艦[ビッグトレー級][ヘビィフォーク級]と違い､履帯式となっており､砲撃時は四方にあるダンパーで固定する
Even the graphics beat RFV
ちなみに突っ込んでいく陸戦ガンタンクのモチーフは
あの桜花である
my Landkreuzer in HOI4 be like
Anime name please?
MS IGLOO
0:21
探的弾夾叉！
斉射開始、斉射開始！biiiiiiii
サムネが新しいモビルアーマーに見えた…
if you know you know
この主砲の口径が気になる
調べたけど出てこないですね。ソースは忘れましたが、サラミスの機関砲でも150ミリとかなので、460ミリ以上はあると思われます。
飛行機がいなさすぎて不自然すぎるぞ(笑)
実弾兵器弱体化と航空機削減はあるあるすぎるが露骨やな
Dekai!
Suicide mecha... might as well of put in pearl harbor.
フィクションの描画を見たいが、
リアルな戦争は見たくない😢
喜久子お姉ちゃんって、こんなハードな役もやってたのね（声だけどw）
杉田に自慢出来ると思うぞ！
A BOLO by anyother name.............
Big Dumb Target
It's an artillery platform.
イグルーシリーズはこの時代にしてモデリングは素晴らしい。静止モデルを作ったスタッフは良い腕をしてる。
が、とにかく質量感が皆無で、プラモデルのように軽快に動き、飛び回り、外力を受けると簡単に移動する。
近くに落ちた砲弾の爆風の風圧で吹き飛ぶのは生身の人間だけだ。
キャタピラで走行するガンタンクのボディがコトコト細かく振動しすぎる。
めちゃくちゃトップヘビーな車両なのにスラローム走行が機敏過ぎる。
宇宙世紀ものをリアルな画像でやりたかったのなら、実際に動きを作ったスタッフはあまりにも知識と教養が少なすぎだった。
アニメでスパロボガンダムの世界観だったらこういうアラは目立たなかっただろうが。
So...if whatever powers those tank mechs is so incredibly powerful, why isn't there a weapon that uses that power source as a warhead?
Gorgeous animation, utterly stupid story lines. One air plane? Really? A field full of giant targets and one airplane shows up?
Spent the entire budget on mechs, no money left for aerospace?
That was a scout plane, watch the show before speaking dumbass. Not every piece of fiction has to be "muh realistic" to be enjoyable.
Manned weapons are such dumb ideas, as bad as heavily armored individual soldiers,
все фантасты обломались. войной движут дешевые и маленькие дроны.
Doesn't matter, cool factor is more important