@@cobeer1768 everyone is going to have biases, but I think that as long as a creator is aware of how sponsor money could skew their perception and doesn’t allow it to do so, we’re probably in the clear. Also, if you remember from all of his reviews, he does not accept money from the company and does not allow them to have a preview of the video or input on changes. This issue is something Stefan and Tom talk about a lot on their podcast, so I think we can trust (at least mostly) what they have to say. I do agree that having sponsor money involved at any point in a creator’s career does raise some concerns, but their integrity should be greater than the desire to make a quick buck. If you remember the laser module fiasco over on Teaching Tech, you’ll know that this community is willing to stick to their word (and their findings) against companies who even threaten to sue them for what they’re putting out there. That’s pretty admirable to me. So really the question is: Do you trust the integrity of each individual influencer who makes reviews? And that is a case by case basis that I can’t decide for you, but imo I do trust both of them. And no, I’m not a fanboy but I wanted to hopefully share my experience to alleviate some of those concerns you have which don’t seem to be true in this case based on my experience.
@@cobeer1768 Actually if I could support a company that support the community with good content I am fine. As I said it is an ad, I even go so far that every not paid for product review is an ad. Since the dislike is gone almost every video about a product on RUclips is an ad. RUclips is just an ads network with some good content in between.
Kudos to those who make it blatantly clear when videos are sponsored. I like Micro Swiss, and have used a few of their products. I'm still on the edge with Revo though, as I see some engineering and adoption hurdles that are still in progress. But alas, as someone else said, "Great job editing this video."
My guess is they started out as a machine shop that specialized in “Swiss screw machines”. Look them up. IIRC Star and Citizen are the biggest names in these types of machines. The perfect type of cnc machine to make a 3d printer nozzle.
I have the extruder and it has one big design flaw you can see when stopping at 1:49. It can be quite difficult to swap the filament because there's little guidance past the two rollers. When simply placing the filament between the rellers and move the extruder it often gets stuck and the gears will jump. Pushing the filament directly into the hole is also difficult because there's no chamfer guiding it. Other than that, it works really well, though.
Nice design! It would be nice to see a version (higher gear ratio maybe) with a NEMA14 to reduce the weight further. BTW, I saw somewhere (E3D Discord maybe), that E3D says that ObXidian can be pronounced as normal obsidian. I'm pretty sure they want it to be spoken that way, but needed to spell it differently to get a trademark.
@@user-nx6cm2oq4p I don't expect so. This extruder has a 3:1 gear ratio. The Orbiter, Sherpa Mini, and LGX Lite that can all be paired with that motor all have higher gear ratios. It's 7:1 for the Orbiter, and 5:1 or 6.25:1 for the Sherpa Mini (not sure for the LGX Lite, as they don't quote gear ratio, the bake it in to the rotation distance).
I put a micro swiss direct drive and all metal hotend on my E3 Max and have been very satisfied with the extruder/hotend performance. Thanks for covering this one Thomas!
I just bought one, and it came with a missing part. They did ship a new part quickly, but wish they had a better inspection process to catch assembly mistakes. Once i got all the correct parts it prints beautifully!
The NG is so neat, it (almost) makes me regret getting their original direct-drive conversion kit for my Ender 3. Almost...the only thing I've struggled to print with that upgrade is extremely soft filament like Ninjatek's Chinchilla, for everything else it's been probably the best upgrade I've ever installed.
Eh, I ordered a Micro Swiss NG just a couple of days ago. If I knew an E3D variant was coming I would have probably waited and go for that, although I don't swap nozzles all too often so probably not a big loss.
Would this help with filament breakage? I have had 2 failed prints in 2 days because of PLA breakage. I am looking for a way to feed the filament without straightening it. To allow it to feed without un-coiling.
I just bought a hemera for my ender 3 because i wanted direct drive and the revo nozzles, if i knew that the NG was coming with revo compatability i would've waited...
It's a beast, check out the extruders tug of war over on "proper printing" channel, it just grips filament and pushes it no matter what! Costs almost as much as an Ender 3 tough... So many good options for extruders nowadays, can't go wrong with microswiss and E3D
I have a Ender3 and and CR6SE printer. In both cases I've been VERY happy with them, but I have considered moving to a new hot end, and potentially direct drive (once in a while I have had the desire to print in flexible filaments). My biggest issue is not really wanting to get into ripping into my printer. I'm a "Been there, done that" guy...I built my first printers from threaded rod, printed parts, and all kinds of vitamins (nuts, bolts, washers, bearings). Heated beds weren't even a thing yet and neither were direct purchase hot ends (you made your own, baking the thing in the oven to cure the material). I'm past that, I really just want plug and play now. I don't mind tuning, but I don't want to be splicing wiring and all that...I'm just over all that. Need to start investigating, but yea...
I have a Micro Swiss metal lever and extruder plate which replaced the factory installed plastic junk, as well as an all-metal hot end on my Monoprice Maker Select V2, and I'm very happy with the quality of the pieces as well as how easily everything installed. Too bad this extruder setup isn't available for my machine, it looks like a worthy upgrade from the stock extruder and I'd love to stick with this company.
I just watched CNC Kitchen's episode on the RotBot ... which has a 4th axis mounted at 45 degrees. I really feel like this extruder is half a design step away from producing an improved, lighter, more compact version of their effector. There's another printer which has a 90 degree turn within the hot end, in order to print upside down, designed by Kralyn 3D, which demonstrates that the filament path is irrelevant once the plastic is melted. If the 4th axis only turned the hot end, rather than the heatsink, then the motor for it could be reduced in size. I'm imagining gears on the top of the hot end to turn it.
Haha, I just did the exact same thing. I came in here expecting to see the same 4-axis printing. When I realised this extruder setup was just to offset the drive motor, I was a bit bummed out.
@@jamesrowlands8971 I can sort of see it - are you imagining a Bowden-tube type feed after the filament is melted? I figure it would need a flexible path for the nozzle to move free from the heatsink. I'm curious though about why Micro Swiss would argue a short travel after softening is crucial then.
@@kick1ass20 nono, basically, take the Micro-Swiss effector as is, put a big gear on the front face of it, which interfaces with teeth on the top of the hot end, similar to how the extruder is geared. This allows the rotation of the hot end around it's own heatbreak.
@@jamesrowlands8971 I suppose if the angle wasn't too sharp the filament could still pass through the nozzle. Alright, have a prototype on my desk by lunchtime tomorrow.
I'm looking forward to get a NG for my Ender 5, too bad it's only in stock with the Ender 3 backplate right now, and that will not work as the Ender 5 runs the belt on the front/back of the aluminium profile and not the top/bottom. Could probably hack something to get it working, but i'd rather wait for the drop in replacement.
DIABASE FlexionHT Extruder PTFE tube is about 36mm so not exactly sure how you are measuring the filament patch. vs 41mm Nevertheless this is interesting. It should be possible to tilt the nozzle at 45 degrees without moving the extruder motor and back to 0 degrees.
The coating helps, but generally all metal is less desirable if you only print PLA. More likely to get clogs from heat creep and it just doesn't slip through as efficiently as feeding through a ptfe lined hotend. That said, I've had far fewer problems with clogs printing petg, abs, tpu, and ASA with me microswiss equipped ender 3 than I have printing abs/ASA with my dragon equipped voron.
Direct drive kit +Mk8 metal hotend + heatbreak + nice nozzle = 25$ approx. When you are set. No need for fancy over engineering. We are trying push plastic to heated hole. Nothing special about it.
Note that micro swiss is not a swiss company! i am from switzerland and i think its absolutly cruel that they make usage from our countries reputation of our machine industry
It is not direct DRIVE extruder, it is simply "direct extruder". It is even more silly when you say "typical DIRECT DRIVE extruder HAS GEAR RATIO X:1". If something is driven DIRECTLY, it by definition can't have any gearing.
E3D and Microswiss together on the same project is a real recipe for success!
I agree, but is this still open source? Everyone can choose them selves, but personally I value Open Source.
I'm not even mad it's a 4 minute ad, they make great products and nice to see such innovation!
@@cobeer1768 everyone is going to have biases, but I think that as long as a creator is aware of how sponsor money could skew their perception and doesn’t allow it to do so, we’re probably in the clear. Also, if you remember from all of his reviews, he does not accept money from the company and does not allow them to have a preview of the video or input on changes.
This issue is something Stefan and Tom talk about a lot on their podcast, so I think we can trust (at least mostly) what they have to say. I do agree that having sponsor money involved at any point in a creator’s career does raise some concerns, but their integrity should be greater than the desire to make a quick buck.
If you remember the laser module fiasco over on Teaching Tech, you’ll know that this community is willing to stick to their word (and their findings) against companies who even threaten to sue them for what they’re putting out there. That’s pretty admirable to me.
So really the question is: Do you trust the integrity of each individual influencer who makes reviews? And that is a case by case basis that I can’t decide for you, but imo I do trust both of them.
And no, I’m not a fanboy but I wanted to hopefully share my experience to alleviate some of those concerns you have which don’t seem to be true in this case based on my experience.
@@cobeer1768 I'd prefer that than never knowing the products exist because they aren't spending anything on marketing. Smfh.
@@cobeer1768 Actually if I could support a company that support the community with good content I am fine. As I said it is an ad, I even go so far that every not paid for product review is an ad. Since the dislike is gone almost every video about a product on RUclips is an ad. RUclips is just an ads network with some good content in between.
Kudos to those who make it blatantly clear when videos are sponsored. I like Micro Swiss, and have used a few of their products. I'm still on the edge with Revo though, as I see some engineering and adoption hurdles that are still in progress. But alas, as someone else said, "Great job editing this video."
I like this guy! He looks like a man really involved in the product design, not a promotion figure, very refreshing in a youtube era!
I have only one question. If they are from the US, why are they called "Microswiss" with huge swiss cross? ;)
Immigrants maybe?
Maybe because if you need top engineering it's probably from center europe?
My guess is they started out as a machine shop that specialized in “Swiss screw machines”. Look them up. IIRC Star and Citizen are the biggest names in these types of machines. The perfect type of cnc machine to make a 3d printer nozzle.
✨️Branding✨️
Machining related? Swiss machine tools? Sanjay used to speak at length about the Swiss lathes they use in their manufacturing process.
Great job editing this video Tom. Really liked the style :)
That machined aluminum extruder and bevel gears are looks so damn beautiful!
This is probably the first time I'm impressed by a product line I knowingly see in an ad.
I have the extruder and it has one big design flaw you can see when stopping at 1:49.
It can be quite difficult to swap the filament because there's little guidance past the two rollers. When simply placing the filament between the rellers and move the extruder it often gets stuck and the gears will jump. Pushing the filament directly into the hole is also difficult because there's no chamfer guiding it. Other than that, it works really well, though.
I agree I have the same issue it can be a pain in the ass to change, I gotta stab it in over and over lol
Micro-Swiss, a Minnesota based , made in America Brand. 100% sure that's not legal somehow.
Probably intended to usurp the swiss quality, note that the flag is rectangular probably to avoid the trademark.
Damn, the only reason I didn’t buy an NG yet is because I also want the Revo. When is this coming to market?
I have their other direct drive setup, I like that one but I see a ton of improvements with this design. Very tempting.
Literally saw you recording this video. Was not expecting such quick turn around this. Nice!
I have micro Swiss upgrades on my printers and they work really well and show a huge improvement on print quality.
I am still waiting on that NG Revo to release!
When will the Revo variant be coming out???
Nice design! It would be nice to see a version (higher gear ratio maybe) with a NEMA14 to reduce the weight further.
BTW, I saw somewhere (E3D Discord maybe), that E3D says that ObXidian can be pronounced as normal obsidian. I'm pretty sure they want it to be spoken that way, but needed to spell it differently to get a trademark.
@@user-nx6cm2oq4p I have an LDO one paired with my LGX Lite
@@user-nx6cm2oq4p I don't expect so. This extruder has a 3:1 gear ratio. The Orbiter, Sherpa Mini, and LGX Lite that can all be paired with that motor all have higher gear ratios. It's 7:1 for the Orbiter, and 5:1 or 6.25:1 for the Sherpa Mini (not sure for the LGX Lite, as they don't quote gear ratio, the bake it in to the rotation distance).
I put a micro swiss direct drive and all metal hotend on my E3 Max and have been very satisfied with the extruder/hotend performance. Thanks for covering this one Thomas!
I just bought one, and it came with a missing part. They did ship a new part quickly, but wish they had a better inspection process to catch assembly mistakes.
Once i got all the correct parts it prints beautifully!
Is Will Smith at the entrance, slapping everyone, and saying "Welcome to Errf!"
This product is out now to buy. Micro Swiss NG REVO Direct Drive Extruder
A bit to optimistic: the hardned revo nozzles aren't available yet, preorder only.
The NG is so neat, it (almost) makes me regret getting their original direct-drive conversion kit for my Ender 3. Almost...the only thing I've struggled to print with that upgrade is extremely soft filament like Ninjatek's Chinchilla, for everything else it's been probably the best upgrade I've ever installed.
When will the NG Revo be available? I don't see it online anywhere, including at Micro Swiss!
Love it! Keep up the great work!
I just interacted with Alex at Micro Swiss yesterday to get an NG Revo kit for a CR-10 Max I’m refurbishing.
looks heavy, any plans to make it with plastic on some parts to reduce weight?
Can you make an in Depth Review of this hotend (and the revo Part)?
The NG has been working great for Me for a couple of weeks now.
The thing I will remember is RUclipss video stabilizer letting parts of the letters and immage jump at around 4:16
Looks pretty.
Nice bevel gear.
Wonder how this will handle on a Prusa Mini!
Damn, just when i installed and fell in love with Micro Swiss NG... and then they release this....
Eh, I ordered a Micro Swiss NG just a couple of days ago. If I knew an E3D variant was coming I would have probably waited and go for that, although I don't swap nozzles all too often so probably not a big loss.
@@zoopp539 No worries. NG is bloody good and solid extruder. Totally worth of money spend
Did anybody know when the NG Revo will be released?
Is there a 3d printed version?
Hopefully you'll make an unbiased review and testing of these. I'd love to see them.
Is this extruder compatible with the CR-10S Pro V2?
Were you at ERRF this year? I was there the whole year and I couldnt find you :)
Hmmm, no extruder for Prusa MK2 or MK3
Would this help with filament breakage? I have had 2 failed prints in 2 days because of PLA breakage. I am looking for a way to feed the filament without straightening it. To allow it to feed without un-coiling.
I have a CR10S.
What is the reduction ratio?
I just bought a hemera for my ender 3 because i wanted direct drive and the revo nozzles, if i knew that the NG was coming with revo compatability i would've waited...
Anyone know if tickets can be purchased at the door? They've stopped selling tickets online.
Is there a good fan shroud for it i usually use the hero me
It's a beast, check out the extruders tug of war over on "proper printing" channel, it just grips filament and pushes it no matter what! Costs almost as much as an Ender 3 tough... So many good options for extruders nowadays, can't go wrong with microswiss and E3D
NG revo on mk3s possible?
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I have a Ender3 and and CR6SE printer. In both cases I've been VERY happy with them, but I have considered moving to a new hot end, and potentially direct drive (once in a while I have had the desire to print in flexible filaments). My biggest issue is not really wanting to get into ripping into my printer. I'm a "Been there, done that" guy...I built my first printers from threaded rod, printed parts, and all kinds of vitamins (nuts, bolts, washers, bearings). Heated beds weren't even a thing yet and neither were direct purchase hot ends (you made your own, baking the thing in the oven to cure the material). I'm past that, I really just want plug and play now. I don't mind tuning, but I don't want to be splicing wiring and all that...I'm just over all that.
Need to start investigating, but yea...
Can anyone translate what the Micro-Swiss guy said about the nozzles?
I missed ya today but I’ll see you tomorrow!!
I have a Micro Swiss metal lever and extruder plate which replaced the factory installed plastic junk, as well as an all-metal hot end on my Monoprice Maker Select V2, and I'm very happy with the quality of the pieces as well as how easily everything installed. Too bad this extruder setup isn't available for my machine, it looks like a worthy upgrade from the stock extruder and I'd love to stick with this company.
Dang it microswiss take my money and give me a link to the revo version. I really want to just use one line of nozzles so trying to find this.
Same!
I just watched CNC Kitchen's episode on the RotBot ... which has a 4th axis mounted at 45 degrees. I really feel like this extruder is half a design step away from producing an improved, lighter, more compact version of their effector.
There's another printer which has a 90 degree turn within the hot end, in order to print upside down, designed by Kralyn 3D, which demonstrates that the filament path is irrelevant once the plastic is melted. If the 4th axis only turned the hot end, rather than the heatsink, then the motor for it could be reduced in size. I'm imagining gears on the top of the hot end to turn it.
Haha, I just did the exact same thing. I came in here expecting to see the same 4-axis printing. When I realised this extruder setup was just to offset the drive motor, I was a bit bummed out.
@@kick1ass20 Glad I wasn't the only one. Can you see what I'm picturing when it comes to implementing a 4th axis with an extruder like this?
@@jamesrowlands8971 I can sort of see it - are you imagining a Bowden-tube type feed after the filament is melted? I figure it would need a flexible path for the nozzle to move free from the heatsink. I'm curious though about why Micro Swiss would argue a short travel after softening is crucial then.
@@kick1ass20 nono, basically, take the Micro-Swiss effector as is, put a big gear on the front face of it, which interfaces with teeth on the top of the hot end, similar to how the extruder is geared. This allows the rotation of the hot end around it's own heatbreak.
@@jamesrowlands8971 I suppose if the angle wasn't too sharp the filament could still pass through the nozzle. Alright, have a prototype on my desk by lunchtime tomorrow.
I'm looking forward to get a NG for my Ender 5, too bad it's only in stock with the Ender 3 backplate right now, and that will not work as the Ender 5 runs the belt on the front/back of the aluminium profile and not the top/bottom. Could probably hack something to get it working, but i'd rather wait for the drop in replacement.
Tom, the video is too short. Too adorable.
"O-B-X-idian"
I loled.
Why this and not a hermera xs revo
try completely non-moving 4K shutter nozzle grid extruder, just like 3d resin printer
or just up-down movement of the print plate/head like resin printing with uv resin curing
They are so close to greatness just double up a corexy printer and you have a weightless direct drive extruder
DIABASE FlexionHT Extruder PTFE tube is about 36mm so not exactly sure how you are measuring the filament patch. vs 41mm
Nevertheless this is interesting. It should be possible to tilt the nozzle at 45 degrees without moving the extruder motor and back to 0 degrees.
you got me wondering for a bit there , I thought you said "my trip to earth" , I was wondering which planet you came from ?
I'd always assumed that Micro Swiss were Swiss for obvious reasons. Do they have some link to Switzerland or is it just questionable marketing?
You forgot the move-y bits.
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the pushy bits, the melty bits, and the move-y bits.
I think I saw an ender 5 version!!!
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fun fact: micro swiss parts are made in the US. it's still good stuff but that fact bothers me mildly
How can a product made by Russians in the USA have "swiss" in its name? As a Swiss person I can't even.
I want the 30% off at 2:22.
Something is really wrong with the voiceover recording, tons of dropped words
you cant say meltzone because its tm by some german dudes
The added background sounds are really really annoying.
Interesting. Seems all-metal hotends only have advantages not a single disadvantage…
The coating helps, but generally all metal is less desirable if you only print PLA. More likely to get clogs from heat creep and it just doesn't slip through as efficiently as feeding through a ptfe lined hotend. That said, I've had far fewer problems with clogs printing petg, abs, tpu, and ASA with me microswiss equipped ender 3 than I have printing abs/ASA with my dragon equipped voron.
"Micro Swiss", Swiss flag in the logo but "made in USA".
some call it sponsored, some call it payed ad.
Direct drive kit +Mk8 metal hotend + heatbreak + nice nozzle = 25$ approx.
When you are set. No need for fancy over engineering. We are trying push plastic to heated hole. Nothing special about it.
It will not extrude RPET. The diameters are perfect but this thing is getting bested by the garbage Titan on my Tronxy.
Note that micro swiss is not a swiss company! i am from switzerland and i think its absolutly cruel that they make usage from our countries reputation of our machine industry
although i think they make nice products. but still, not nice...
all I can say is SEXY!
looks heavy sorry not a fan of a stepper motor riding on the hot end I like the hot end kept light and fast
It is not direct DRIVE extruder, it is simply "direct extruder".
It is even more silly when you say "typical DIRECT DRIVE extruder HAS GEAR RATIO X:1". If something is driven DIRECTLY, it by definition can't have any gearing.