2:32 if you are buying that with your own money, I think you shouldn't waste your money because HX 375 is the same as HX 370 but has 55TOPs NPU instead of 50 TOPs NPU and that's it, no other difference
That's not exactly true - the cooling and power management design is up to the laptop maker and they determine the last 20% of laptop performance! I think there is still room to improve on these Asus designs! HP (which owns the HX 375 model) might build a much better laptop!
@@dgillies5420 yeah because I don’t think S16 and those type of machines aren’t meant to be powerhouses anyways. So they limit the power so that battery life can be better
AMD Ryzen AI CPU laptops for full X86 access, gaming, and high performance. Snapdragon laptops for core Microsoft apps/software (0365 apps, Power BI, Python, C#, and Azure cloud), battery life, and high performance.
Thanks so much. I didn't have this prerelease like the larger channels. I put this all together in a matter of 24 working hours so I really appreciate the compliment in this video more than other content I put together.
It's crazy that ALL of the other channels just repeat the same things, probably instructed by ASUS... Like now you can't see PX13 anywhere, but they all have it, and they have the bench results but can't show so instead they're all talking the same things, carefully crafted message from the manufacturer like it's an advertising campaign not an actual review/benchmark. It's just ridiculous.
Yeah I think a lot of them just did some basic testing just to do a video, then went back to their MacBooks. I think hardware cannucks and Linus did a good job though.
5:15 i don't think AMD caught up, rather windows on arm disappointed. The only chip makers that need to catch up on efficiency is Intel, their meteor lake chips seemed to be just a band aid. Also isn't the sleep state a windows problem , they've had it for decades and i think LTT had talked about it few times.
@@popeye82 That's like releasing a unfinished game at full price and telling ppl to wait till rest of the game is added in future. Why do u think apple waited so long ? They were working with devs to optimise and develop, encourage native apps while Microsoft is like who cares here's a new A.I CHIP WITH A.I FEATURES that can you guessed it use chat gpt
I received my Pro Art P 16 yesterday and absolutely love it. A tip you can run it in quiet mode and it is still at 45 watts and battery life is outstanding and performance is also very good. I love the build, trackpad, keyboard, and that OLED is gorgeous, but it's reflective. The matt black coating is the least fingerprint magnet for this color that I've seen. For 1899, I would take it over Mac Book Pro any day. It's equivalent to the Pro in CPU and better in GPU and NPU. At its current price with 32 gigs of ram, it's hard to beat.
The M4 Macs are the competitor for the new AMD as they are released in October, about the time Lunar Lake and most other AMD laptops arrive. Looking at the benchmarks for the M4 it is likely to be 30% better in single-core. So no competition as GPU and NPU will be similar to AMD in the M4 Pro. As for price the ProArt is £2600 in the UK for 32GB/1TB/R9 so will be close to MB Pro 14 (M4 Pro) pricing.
@@popeye82 What are you talking about? It's literally the exact same chassis between the 2024 G16 and P16... Screen is the main difference with only 60hz refresh rate in P16.
Do experience slow app opening on P16 too or only the S16? It could also be related to SSD speeds, because when you open an app the data gets loaded from SSD to ram. How does the SSD speeds of S16 and the Galaxy Book compare?
Yeah I didn't consider that actually. I didn't run SSD speed tests on either. But app launches are still slower on P16 vs the Galaxy Book. I'll run crystal disk for the full review. But I've had a few snapdragon x laptops and they all seemed like they ran through windows faster. Even when navigating through the windows settings.
@@consumertechwarehouse Thanks for reply, I'm looking forward to your full review. Are you planning to get your hands on the new TUF A14 at some point? That's the probably the most interesting Zen5 laptop for me so far.
@Ramtinss yeah looks interesting. I'll see if I can check it out. Looks interesting. Wasn't on my radar until you just mentioned it. I think this can be a good contender for back to school shoppers. Gaming laptop but with the new ryzen AI 9 you're getting good efficiency and it seems like it's made rugged to be tossed on a backpack without worry.
I have a theory that the latency bottleneck with x86 when it’s in power efficiency mode vs high performance mode. x86 boost cpu clock takes time to ramp up to their boost frequencies. It would be cool to try the test in various power modes and compare the clock graphs to see.
Why comparing against M3 Max? Do you have any idea how big of a chip the M3 Max is? It's larger than NVIDIA's H100 AI GPU. The R9 HX 370 is a quarter of the size. There is something called as cost of manufacturing, which a purely hardware chip brand needs to keep in mind while designing a chip which also happens to cater for far more general usecase i.e. both laptops and desktops. AMD or Intel cannot and will not put together a mega sized CPU+GPU and sell it for 1000 usd which Apple can because Apple can make up the cost by charging an arm and leg for other upgrades like RAM and selling services. These are desktop architecture focussed chips which in their true forms will be paired with dGPUs which can crush anything from Apple. They are also designed and priced accordingly.
I agree with just about everything you're saying. But the moment you introduce a dGPU, performance per watt goes out the window. The entire tdp of the MacBook pro with the M3 max is 78 watts. Also Asus has a version of the P16 that costs $3500. I'm just thinking about it as an overall package consumers have to choose from based on a price point. In the review I'll introduce the dGPU for testinf. I just really wanted to focus on AMD's new system on a chip. What I also could have done better was mention in the video that once a dGPU is enabled these scores will be irrelevant. Appreciate the feedback though
If you are a pro user then you will look at the best AMD or Apple offers, and the upcoming M4 Max will be what they compare to the AMD R9, so absolutely fair. The M4 Max will obviously easily smash the AMD's best but for most they will buy the inferior product due to being stuck with Windows.
@@andyH_England If you are pro user, you will buy pro hardware like 16 core 9950X with top of the line NVIDIA RTX GPU which will crush any M4 MAX system for same or lower cost and retain future upgradability and expansion. Regarding interior system - that would be god awful MacOS. And on a budget, there will be plenty of Ryzen Zen 5+Nvidia RTX dGPU systems available for half the cost. Now if your only usecase is editing videos while sitting in a beach - then yea Apple has the best tool for you. For anything serious, especially related to 3D and engineering, there are ton of options available on Windows side. Only getting better (even upgradability is getting better with Oculink/Thunderbolt 5 eGPU solutions).
Honestly been contemplating picking up the Asus to exchange for my Edge, but the anti reflective screen is one of the biggest things telling me to just keep the Samsung. It's is such a big difference to have it
6:50 its exactly opposite of what you said. ARS's Reduced instruction set means less total instructions available. i.e lots of simple instructions but no complex ones. x86 on the other hand has a much more complex instruction set. thus for any given operation x86 runs less number of more complex instructions whereas ARM has to use more instructions but they are very simple.
Yeah someone else commented saying that. Thanks for letting me know though. Based on you and other comments on that topic, it seems like X86 is a better architecture if it's developed for properly right?
Im curious regarding the new ai 370 hx being used for G16 zephyrus (at 4070 level). Do you think itll be better performance than the core ultra 9 plugged in, or same?
I think it'll perform a little better because dynamic boost will need to dish out less power to the CPU and be able to use it for the GPU. I'll get one in and test though
I think theoretically they should perform about the same. I'm loving the 4k screen for photo and video editing. It's brighter than the g16 and just looks better. on the p16 and I find myself using the dial a lot. I messed around with a whole bunch of 4k 422 10 bit footage and it chopped through it with ease and I have the 4060 model. My next video I'll edit with the p16 to see how it does. But the new ryzen chips are no joke. They are awesome. Battery will be better on the g16. 4k pulls more watts because of the resolution.
Ooh, thank you for comparing and talkimg about the feelings from just using the system. It was my feeing just from the video reviews, that Snapdragon seems to be quicker, snappy and faster opening apps. Some reviewers talked about how smooth everything is with Snapdragon. I think I will leave the x86.
Could you please do a dedicated video to carefully check the app loading speed (and using a timer)? This is potentially big news you've uncovered. Also please benchmark the storage to see if that's the cause.
Yes. I definitely want to revisit this. There's been a few updates from Asus and AMD throughout plus a new version of windows on the way that's supposed to improve performance on AMD devices. So I'm waiting on that. But I tried this test at the time multiple times with both the p16 and the s16
Yeah someone else commented on that. When filming I was more focused on showing the performance difference. So maybe there's some reflection or the brightness I set wasn't the same. In reality though both screens look great
Would you consider repeating the side-by-side with the AMD vs the Snapdragon after updating to the new Windows 23H2 (08-2024)? I did that same comparison at Best Buy with the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x (Snapdragon) right next to a Lenovo with Core Ultra 7, and the two computers were IDENTICAL in load times, speed, and general snapiness. Also, speedometer 3.0 scores were identical.
Yeah I need to at this point. I'm going to maybe get an s15 since they are both Asus to keep things as equal as possible. Since all the updates, the s16 has been moving along much faster.
Really grateful to see you compare these with the ROG Ally X. My budget won't cover both a new laptop and gaming handheld, so I'm seriously considering the differences
The thing with x86 CPUs is that even tho they are "fast" on paper, it's that always-on feature arms CPUs have that makes it feel snappy. I have Ryzen 9 6900HS laptop and man every time I wake up the laptop, it takes a good 5 seconds or more before it's ready for me to do anything. I'm gonna ignore all these x86 CPUs until they fix the user experience.
in ~6:50, you said: ARM is reduced instruction set , and can run tasks with lest instructions It is quite the opposite. an example, in RISC (ARM is RISC) we have only add and sub instruction, but in CISC (x85 is CISC) we have matrix operations, vector operations and etc and thus actually, in the RISC number of instruction for a task is more that CISC BUT, pipeline width should be match to the largest instruction. when you have a large instruction, it will increase pipeline delay for all of the instruction in some specific tasks, CISC can have creazy fast performances, but in general, most of the applications does not use specific large instructions
Oh wow. That's very interesting to note. Yeah my knowledge on this stuff is only based on what I can research. I don't actually code. So it sounds like in some cases RISC would have lots more code than CISC? So if there's good coding to make use of the matrix operations etc, you can get better efficiency and performance?
Is my understanding that X Elite was supposed to be released last year and the direct competitor was the M2, not M3 but there was some problems and got delayed… Meaning that AMD is competing against a last year processor (in design perspective). I think Snapdragon is going to have more support now from investors and I hope they managed to get things out faster and on schedule. I also hate AMD due to releasing this type of tech after they got serious competition from a “newbiee” on the desktop processors.
Hey don't hate on AMD - they're the ONLY ones pushing iGPUs forward! The Snapdragon has a terrible GPU so obviously it is easy to save power if your GPU runs at half the speed of 890m. Meanwhile the memory bus of these APUs has become a huge bandwidth bottleneck and AMD has to invent mCache and other ideas just to release the 890m and it won't be optimized for months, imho ... Snapdragon is actually not that efficient but it has a superior video codec which allows long video playback - one of the few actual advantages of Snapdragon...
@@systemBuilder but everyone knows that Snapdragons and ARM in general (for now) are not meant to be GPU power house. They are “working” station (not server, but normal office and daily drivers), and still comparing a last year kinda newibbie processor with experienced new 2024 tech makes no sense. If you want to compared newer tech, then the logic would be comparing M4 vs Ryzen with 890m.
I also think that the X Elite should have come out last year or at the beginning of 2024, together with Ryzen 8000 and Intel Core Ultra, but I feel like both Qualcomm and Microsoft were waiting for a better software support, in fact they released Prism for better translation, Chrome for example become finally Arm native, some professional app like DaVinci Resolve and others for developers came out in the meanwhile, so i think waiting was the right choice. Now they need to keep working on software optimization and, as they said, try to ship X Plus and Elite laptops in the 7-800$ range, because both AMD and Intel won't have anything to compete against them at this price, at least until Q1 of 2025. Once they'll do that, they should release the next gen of Oryon cpu on 3nm, together with a big performance upgrade in GPU, since we know that on mobile they can already challenge and beat Apple. If they can bring better then M4 performance in the same price range of the X Elite i think it won't be easy to compete for AMD and Intel. But again, i think that they should improve the drivers and the GPU support in professional apps and games in the next year or so, and then release new hardware.
@@albertomartin70 idk about anything i care about only performance and im sure ryzen threadripper 96 cores and 198 threads core beat everty single core in perfomance and thats all i ever need more fps
True, I think it depends on the user. Me for example. The programs I plan on using are mostly arm, and the few that I don’t run fine. That, my gaming mostly consists of emulation, and there’s a native arm build of dolphin that runs amazing on this chip. That and prism and drivers are only gonna improve in time. So I’m good 👌🏾
Did you notice the S16 was always hot? I returned mine. It can't be on your lap even with simple browsing. Unsure if it was a dud or just still a need for a lot of fine tuning by AMD since the CPUs are so new.
No mine isn't. Are you keeping everything on balanced? Both in windows power settings and in the MyAsus app? It will get a but warm if everything is cranked up.
Thanks. I was debating whether I should. But I think if people click on the video expecting coverage on the laptops themselves they would be disappointed since I barely cover it. I'll do full videos on each. I think I want the algorithm to be focused more on the chip.
@@consumertechwarehouse I hear you. That's why I said "in the description", not in the title. But you're right, you've got the right approach. Keep up the good work man, I wasn't expecting such a high quality video & research from a small RUclips channel. We know how much work goes behind the scene so kudos to you, hope you get paid enough from the views to keep it going!
Don't hold your breath for Intel the last generation was only half as efficient as AMD and Qualcomm now ... Unplug an Intel laptop from the wall and it runs at half the speed of normal!
@systemBuilder have a look at initial thoughts on lunar lake.. different to desktop processors, they've made a lot of changes with compromises for efficiency including the ram on the cpu too (non upgradeable ram)
Just thought to post since your video is now the first one that shows up when someone looks for a Ryzen 9 AI 365 versus Snapdragon X Elite comparison on RUclips... The slower response when starting app could be due to a number of reasons, and likely nothing to do with speed of the processor or even the lower wattage under low load/idle. I suspect on your x86 platform, you have more software running, and even if not, there is a lot more antiviral/malware that is being processed when any app is being launched, which is likely not processed the same in WoA. The bigger the file, the longer the scanning process. It would make sense for what you observed despite knowing the two processors are (equally) speedy.
I tested this multiple times with both the P16 and s16. Even from a fresh restart. A lot of people weighed in on that section. There's lots of factors yes, and it might not be performance related but what you see is what's happening. There's been lots of updates to these laptops so I would like to test again
Thanks very much. But I was after actually battery life. There needs to model for working it out ... mode of computer, brightness setting for monitor, battery size. I still do not know if a Ryzen 9ai gets worse endurance than a Qualcomm. I suspect it does have worse endurance. For instance HP put a bigger battery in their Ryzen 9ai 360 than they do in the same notebook with a Qualcomm CPU.Omnibook X versus Ultra (first has Qualcomm and Ultra has Ryzen.
Have you come closer to why AMD Ryzen was slower than the snapdragon - since the numbers are not telling the same story. In your real time test from Windwos it opened up slower - but has there been any changes to software/drivers or anything changing this?
Ok will do. Temps are more than acceptable on both. Neither of them come close to thermal throttling. The p16 obviously has higher temps but it runs at 80 watts vs. 30 on the s16
@@consumertechwarehouse thank you. But yeah I meant the zephyrus VS proart expecially they are the same but with other processors, so battery life and noise of the fans etc would be interesting.
Of course. Ran all the updates on MyAsus, windows update and windows store. I filmed that process and was supposed to mention that in the intro. But I guess I forgot. Glad you're asking so it's at least in the comments now
Honestly I'm more confused now seeing m4 numbers and comparisons, so which laptop should i buy now if i wanna buy or should i wait? I have budget of 1 lac to spend max
If you're considering a Mac it almost sounds like you should wait. Those scores were insane on the ipad. But that's just Geekbench. I gotta wait till I get in new MacBooks
Thanks for the video. On unrelated note, I would love to see your impressions of Pixel 9 Pro Fold, especially on PWM. I had Blade 16 Mini-LED and have G9 Neo 57" and I hate PWM. I percieve PWM on the devices same as you, so your review would really help me.
Looks wise, the pro art looks so much better than the zenbook. Looks like Asus was confused how to design a laptop. They probably had kitchen countertops in mind when designing the laptop.
The Asus S16 has a crappy SSD, almost pcie3 performance, slower performance in the browser might be from writing cached files to the SSD, slower launching, also could be the slow SSD....
Someone else mentioned that. The p16 wasn't that much better. It doesn't make sense. The performance is there. I ran some intense programs like Lightroom classic and premiere and gaming and it's blazing fast. I think there just needs to be some driver optimization
Snapdragon uses very expensive 8533 mhz memory vs hx365 using 7500 mhz, so snapdragon menory is 15% faster ... Also the s16 flash might be slow ... I bought an s365 S16 and I'm looking forward to powerful 17w computing in the years to come ...
@@consumertechwarehouse not the x86 chips? My tiger lake laptop and my Ryzen desktop wake instantly but that might be because I'm using Linux. Strange that MS wouldn't "fix" it on x86 systems... The battery on my laptop also lasts a while in s0ix sleep like arm laptops but that might be because there's no Windows Update waking the system
Hi! From the processor standpoint, how does it compare to an intel i9 13900H in the asus zenbook pro 14? I was interested in this specific model. Who is faster between the two? I'm mainly interested in multitasking, having lots of tabs open at the same time, using tradingview, possibly connecting an additional monitor... no gaming, just multitasking and trading. I don't know if this use is more related to single core or multi core, if you could aknowledge me about it I would be grateful :) Thanks and good week!
Yeah you just need single core. The new ryzen chips are better than what Intel has to offer currently. Intel is refreshing their chips in aomth or 2 though. So if you prefer Intel, maybe wait a bit.
In theory they should support eGPUs. But I didn't don't recommend them. There's still give bottlenecks and you lose a lot of performance compared to a desktop
Guys for any world of warcraft / dota and light gaming idk what should i choose. Enough 780m ftom previous ryzen, or probably better igpu on ai9 ryzen. Or maybe 4050-4060nvidia will be much better I don't want big gaming laptop.. i don't play cyberpunk etc.. 16" oled and power efficient. And i dont like to play with high level of noise from cooling system
When filming I was more focused on showing the performance difference. So maybe there's some reflection or the brightness I set wasn't the same. In reality though both screens look great. That's camera operator error on my part. Sorry for any confusion
I'm sorry but until there's an actual USE for "A.I."?....I'm not spending money on any hardware that advertises it as a feature. Imagine being told to buy two long cylindrical ROCKETS to attach to your car....because you know......EVENTUALLY cars will fly!.....like all the OEM's and famous brands are touting A.I. but don't exactly TELL you what its GOOD for!?..... I'll stick to my i7's....32GB of RAM...and 2TB Lenovo and Dells.
Yeah that's why I didn't mention AI at all. Even without AI it's worth paying attention to these chips. They run faster on battery and last much longer
A lot of people are unaware that there are already 200 AI applications on your phone. Image background blur during conferencing Boca in the camera app and a huge number of video processing filters in any video or picture editing...
2:32 if you are buying that with your own money, I think you shouldn't waste your money because HX 375 is the same as HX 370 but has 55TOPs NPU instead of 50 TOPs NPU and that's it, no other difference
That's not exactly true - the cooling and power management design is up to the laptop maker and they determine the last 20% of laptop performance! I think there is still room to improve on these Asus designs! HP (which owns the HX 375 model) might build a much better laptop!
The S16 models are so power limited the 370 cannot shine and the 365 is a better deal!
@@dgillies5420 yeah because I don’t think S16 and those type of machines aren’t meant to be powerhouses anyways. So they limit the power so that battery life can be better
AMD Ryzen AI CPU laptops for full X86 access, gaming, and high performance.
Snapdragon laptops for core Microsoft apps/software (0365 apps, Power BI, Python, C#, and Azure cloud), battery life, and high performance.
More than 10 years ago, nVidia had their Tegra ARM chips…. They should bring that back. They were amazing.
nvidia is working on ARM chips
Reportedly coming next year in collaboration with Mediatek
Dude, you did a much better review than the "big" reviewers out there. Great video, great work 👍
Wow, thanks! I didn't have early access to it either. Bought it just like anyone else
It's great to see what we really want that other channels don't cover. You are truly the best reviewer. Thank you for your hard work.
Thanks so much. I didn't have this prerelease like the larger channels. I put this all together in a matter of 24 working hours so I really appreciate the compliment in this video more than other content I put together.
It's crazy that ALL of the other channels just repeat the same things, probably instructed by ASUS... Like now you can't see PX13 anywhere, but they all have it, and they have the bench results but can't show so instead they're all talking the same things, carefully crafted message from the manufacturer like it's an advertising campaign not an actual review/benchmark. It's just ridiculous.
Yeah I think a lot of them just did some basic testing just to do a video, then went back to their MacBooks. I think hardware cannucks and Linus did a good job though.
5:15 i don't think AMD caught up, rather windows on arm disappointed. The only chip makers that need to catch up on efficiency is Intel, their meteor lake chips seemed to be just a band aid. Also isn't the sleep state a windows problem , they've had it for decades and i think LTT had talked about it few times.
I think apple silicon and snapdragon made Intel and AMD wake up. Curious to see what the future holds for AMD and Intel
Sleep state drain is 100% an x86 issue. Laptops with X Elite have proved that as they don't have the issue at all.
Windows on arm didn't disappoint anyone with the correct expectations. It's very good, just needs the developers to support it.
@@popeye82 That's like releasing a unfinished game at full price and telling ppl to wait till rest of the game is added in future. Why do u think apple waited so long ? They were working with devs to optimise and develop, encourage native apps while Microsoft is like who cares here's a new A.I CHIP WITH A.I FEATURES that can you guessed it use chat gpt
@@keerthan7558 which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I received my Pro Art P 16 yesterday and absolutely love it. A tip you can run it in quiet mode and it is still at 45 watts and battery life is outstanding and performance is also very good. I love the build, trackpad, keyboard, and that OLED is gorgeous, but it's reflective. The matt black coating is the least fingerprint magnet for this color that I've seen. For 1899, I would take it over Mac Book Pro any day. It's equivalent to the Pro in CPU and better in GPU and NPU. At its current price with 32 gigs of ram, it's hard to beat.
Yeah so far I'm in love with it. I returned the Samsung Galaxy book. I think this may be it.
@@consumertechwarehouse Why would you get this instead of Zephyrus G16? Price? In Europe it's actually more expensive than the G16.
The M4 Macs are the competitor for the new AMD as they are released in October, about the time Lunar Lake and most other AMD laptops arrive. Looking at the benchmarks for the M4 it is likely to be 30% better in single-core. So no competition as GPU and NPU will be similar to AMD in the M4 Pro. As for price the ProArt is £2600 in the UK for 32GB/1TB/R9 so will be close to MB Pro 14 (M4 Pro) pricing.
@@popeye82 No. ProArt P16 has the same dimensions, therefore portability as the G16.
@@popeye82 What are you talking about? It's literally the exact same chassis between the 2024 G16 and P16... Screen is the main difference with only 60hz refresh rate in P16.
Glad I found you. Great review and discussion. Clear to understand and useful information and comparison.
Great video bruh. This is exactly what I was looking for. Getting my 365 tomorrow so I can test it out. U def earned a sub!!!
Thanks for the sub. I hope you like it as much as I am now!
Expecting a P16 review from you, I love your reviews, cant wait!
THANK YOU!! I have the same Samsung 16 that you have and it is so snappy. It's amazing compared to x86 systems. It feels really good to use
Do experience slow app opening on P16 too or only the S16?
It could also be related to SSD speeds, because when you open an app the data gets loaded from SSD to ram. How does the SSD speeds of S16 and the Galaxy Book compare?
Yeah I didn't consider that actually. I didn't run SSD speed tests on either. But app launches are still slower on P16 vs the Galaxy Book. I'll run crystal disk for the full review. But I've had a few snapdragon x laptops and they all seemed like they ran through windows faster. Even
when navigating through the windows settings.
@@consumertechwarehouse Thanks for reply, I'm looking forward to your full review.
Are you planning to get your hands on the new TUF A14 at some point? That's the probably the most interesting Zen5 laptop for me so far.
@Ramtinss yeah looks interesting. I'll see if I can check it out. Looks interesting. Wasn't on my radar until you just mentioned it. I think this can be a good contender for back to school shoppers. Gaming laptop but with the new ryzen AI 9 you're getting good efficiency and it seems like it's made rugged to be tossed on a backpack without worry.
I have a theory that the latency bottleneck with x86 when it’s in power efficiency mode vs high performance mode.
x86 boost cpu clock takes time to ramp up to their boost frequencies.
It would be cool to try the test in various power modes and compare the clock graphs to see.
@bassemmohsen8405 yeah I'm definitely going to explore more. I'll try plugged in with max performance on and report on the next video
Nice to know snapdragon still holds up. Especially with opening programs
Why comparing against M3 Max? Do you have any idea how big of a chip the M3 Max is? It's larger than NVIDIA's H100 AI GPU. The R9 HX 370 is a quarter of the size.
There is something called as cost of manufacturing, which a purely hardware chip brand needs to keep in mind while designing a chip which also happens to cater for far more general usecase i.e. both laptops and desktops. AMD or Intel cannot and will not put together a mega sized CPU+GPU and sell it for 1000 usd which Apple can because Apple can make up the cost by charging an arm and leg for other upgrades like RAM and selling services.
These are desktop architecture focussed chips which in their true forms will be paired with dGPUs which can crush anything from Apple. They are also designed and priced accordingly.
I agree with just about everything you're saying. But the moment you introduce a dGPU, performance per watt goes out the window. The entire tdp of the MacBook pro with the M3 max is 78 watts. Also Asus has a version of the P16 that costs $3500. I'm just thinking about it as an overall package consumers have to choose from based on a price point.
In the review I'll introduce the dGPU for testinf. I just really wanted to focus on AMD's new system on a chip.
What I also could have done better was mention in the video that once a dGPU is enabled these scores will be irrelevant. Appreciate the feedback though
If you are a pro user then you will look at the best AMD or Apple offers, and the upcoming M4 Max will be what they compare to the AMD R9, so absolutely fair. The M4 Max will obviously easily smash the AMD's best but for most they will buy the inferior product due to being stuck with Windows.
@@andyH_England If you are pro user, you will buy pro hardware like 16 core 9950X with top of the line NVIDIA RTX GPU which will crush any M4 MAX system for same or lower cost and retain future upgradability and expansion.
Regarding interior system - that would be god awful MacOS.
And on a budget, there will be plenty of Ryzen Zen 5+Nvidia RTX dGPU systems available for half the cost. Now if your only usecase is editing videos while sitting in a beach - then yea Apple has the best tool for you.
For anything serious, especially related to 3D and engineering, there are ton of options available on Windows side. Only getting better (even upgradability is getting better with Oculink/Thunderbolt 5 eGPU solutions).
one big plus for the samsung galaxy book 4 edge: anti reflective Gorilla Glass with DX.
Absolutely. Makes a big difference with glare.
Honestly been contemplating picking up the Asus to exchange for my Edge, but the anti reflective screen is one of the biggest things telling me to just keep the Samsung. It's is such a big difference to have it
6:50 its exactly opposite of what you said. ARS's Reduced instruction set means less total instructions available. i.e lots of simple instructions but no complex ones. x86 on the other hand has a much more complex instruction set. thus for any given operation x86 runs less number of more complex instructions whereas ARM has to use more instructions but they are very simple.
Yeah someone else commented saying that. Thanks for letting me know though. Based on you and other comments on that topic, it seems like X86 is a better architecture if it's developed for properly right?
Im curious regarding the new ai 370 hx being used for G16 zephyrus (at 4070 level). Do you think itll be better performance than the core ultra 9 plugged in, or same?
I think it'll perform a little better because dynamic boost will need to dish out less power to the CPU and be able to use it for the GPU. I'll get one in and test though
thatd be so cool really
Good video 👍🏾 Zephyrus G16 or ProArt P16 for video editing? Is 60hz going to be a problem? Is battery life about the same?
I think theoretically they should perform about the same. I'm loving the 4k screen for photo and video editing. It's brighter than the g16 and just looks better. on the p16 and I find myself using the dial a lot. I messed around with a whole bunch of 4k 422 10 bit footage and it chopped through it with ease and I have the 4060 model. My next video I'll edit with the p16 to see how it does. But the new ryzen chips are no joke. They are awesome.
Battery will be better on the g16. 4k pulls more watts because of the resolution.
@consumertechwarehouse Wow, I really appreciate the prompt and in-depth response. Subbed 👏🏾
Ooh, thank you for comparing and talkimg about the feelings from just using the system. It was my feeing just from the video reviews, that Snapdragon seems to be quicker, snappy and faster opening apps. Some reviewers talked about how smooth everything is with Snapdragon.
I think I will leave the x86.
Could you please do a dedicated video to carefully check the app loading speed (and using a timer)? This is potentially big news you've uncovered. Also please benchmark the storage to see if that's the cause.
Yes. I definitely want to revisit this. There's been a few updates from Asus and AMD throughout plus a new version of windows on the way that's supposed to improve performance on AMD devices. So I'm waiting on that. But I tried this test at the time multiple times with both the p16 and the s16
6:49 Those blacks look so greyish on s16 , is it due to editing or camera angle ?
Yeah someone else commented on that. When filming I was more focused on showing the performance difference. So maybe there's some reflection or the brightness I set wasn't the same. In reality though both screens look great
Good reviews man! 👍🏼
Would you consider repeating the side-by-side with the AMD vs the Snapdragon after updating to the new Windows 23H2 (08-2024)? I did that same comparison at Best Buy with the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x (Snapdragon) right next to a Lenovo with Core Ultra 7, and the two computers were IDENTICAL in load times, speed, and general snapiness. Also, speedometer 3.0 scores were identical.
Yeah I need to at this point. I'm going to maybe get an s15 since they are both Asus to keep things as equal as possible. Since all the updates, the s16 has been moving along much faster.
Really grateful to see you compare these with the ROG Ally X. My budget won't cover both a new laptop and gaming handheld, so I'm seriously considering the differences
The thing with x86 CPUs is that even tho they are "fast" on paper, it's that always-on feature arms CPUs have that makes it feel snappy.
I have Ryzen 9 6900HS laptop and man every time I wake up the laptop, it takes a good 5 seconds or more before it's ready for me to do anything. I'm gonna ignore all these x86 CPUs until they fix the user experience.
in ~6:50, you said: ARM is reduced instruction set , and can run tasks with lest instructions
It is quite the opposite. an example, in RISC (ARM is RISC) we have only add and sub instruction, but in CISC (x85 is CISC) we have matrix operations, vector operations and etc
and thus actually, in the RISC number of instruction for a task is more that CISC
BUT, pipeline width should be match to the largest instruction. when you have a large instruction, it will increase pipeline delay for all of the instruction
in some specific tasks, CISC can have creazy fast performances, but in general, most of the applications does not use specific large instructions
Oh wow. That's very interesting to note. Yeah my knowledge on this stuff is only based on what I can research. I don't actually code. So it sounds like in some cases RISC would have lots more code than CISC? So if there's good coding to make use of the matrix operations etc, you can get better efficiency and performance?
Is my understanding that X Elite was supposed to be released last year and the direct competitor was the M2, not M3 but there was some problems and got delayed… Meaning that AMD is competing against a last year processor (in design perspective). I think Snapdragon is going to have more support now from investors and I hope they managed to get things out faster and on schedule. I also hate AMD due to releasing this type of tech after they got serious competition from a “newbiee” on the desktop processors.
Hey don't hate on AMD - they're the ONLY ones pushing iGPUs forward! The Snapdragon has a terrible GPU so obviously it is easy to save power if your GPU runs at half the speed of 890m. Meanwhile the memory bus of these APUs has become a huge bandwidth bottleneck and AMD has to invent mCache and other ideas just to release the 890m and it won't be optimized for months, imho ... Snapdragon is actually not that efficient but it has a superior video codec which allows long video playback - one of the few actual advantages of Snapdragon...
@@systemBuilder but everyone knows that Snapdragons and ARM in general (for now) are not meant to be GPU power house. They are “working” station (not server, but normal office and daily drivers), and still comparing a last year kinda newibbie processor with experienced new 2024 tech makes no sense. If you want to compared newer tech, then the logic would be comparing M4 vs Ryzen with 890m.
I also think that the X Elite should have come out last year or at the beginning of 2024, together with Ryzen 8000 and Intel Core Ultra, but I feel like both Qualcomm and Microsoft were waiting for a better software support, in fact they released Prism for better translation, Chrome for example become finally Arm native, some professional app like DaVinci Resolve and others for developers came out in the meanwhile, so i think waiting was the right choice. Now they need to keep working on software optimization and, as they said, try to ship X Plus and Elite laptops in the 7-800$ range, because both AMD and Intel won't have anything to compete against them at this price, at least until Q1 of 2025. Once they'll do that, they should release the next gen of Oryon cpu on 3nm, together with a big performance upgrade in GPU, since we know that on mobile they can already challenge and beat Apple. If they can bring better then M4 performance in the same price range of the X Elite i think it won't be easy to compete for AMD and Intel. But again, i think that they should improve the drivers and the GPU support in professional apps and games in the next year or so, and then release new hardware.
@@albertomartin70 idk about anything i care about only performance and im sure ryzen threadripper 96 cores and 198 threads core beat everty single core in perfomance and thats all i ever need more fps
Most of us don't just run geeekbench single core scores all day everyday on the laptop... The snapdragon Crashes on many x86 apps and games
True, I think it depends on the user. Me for example. The programs I plan on using are mostly arm, and the few that I don’t run fine. That, my gaming mostly consists of emulation, and there’s a native arm build of dolphin that runs amazing on this chip. That and prism and drivers are only gonna improve in time. So I’m good 👌🏾
Did you notice the S16 was always hot? I returned mine. It can't be on your lap even with simple browsing. Unsure if it was a dud or just still a need for a lot of fine tuning by AMD since the CPUs are so new.
No mine isn't. Are you keeping everything on balanced? Both in windows power settings and in the MyAsus app? It will get a but warm if everything is cranked up.
Glad I found your channel. You've got big channel quality. Hope you get more subs!
Hey really appreciate that. I'm still relatively new. The subs are coming in slowly
Amazing video dude! I think you should write the laptop used in your description as it'll help with RUclips algorithm and search features.
Thanks. I was debating whether I should. But I think if people click on the video expecting coverage on the laptops themselves they would be disappointed since I barely cover it. I'll do full videos on each. I think I want the algorithm to be focused more on the chip.
@@consumertechwarehouse I hear you. That's why I said "in the description", not in the title. But you're right, you've got the right approach. Keep up the good work man, I wasn't expecting such a high quality video & research from a small RUclips channel. We know how much work goes behind the scene so kudos to you, hope you get paid enough from the views to keep it going!
Interested in seeing this vs lunar lake when both are tuned for battery life when they come out
Me too! I'll be there to cover that.
Don't hold your breath for Intel the last generation was only half as efficient as AMD and Qualcomm now ... Unplug an Intel laptop from the wall and it runs at half the speed of normal!
@systemBuilder have a look at initial thoughts on lunar lake.. different to desktop processors, they've made a lot of changes with compromises for efficiency including the ram on the cpu too (non upgradeable ram)
Great review man!
There is new chipset and GPU driver. It has support for strix point. Then again the performance is very good.
Just thought to post since your video is now the first one that shows up when someone looks for a Ryzen 9 AI 365 versus Snapdragon X Elite comparison on RUclips... The slower response when starting app could be due to a number of reasons, and likely nothing to do with speed of the processor or even the lower wattage under low load/idle. I suspect on your x86 platform, you have more software running, and even if not, there is a lot more antiviral/malware that is being processed when any app is being launched, which is likely not processed the same in WoA. The bigger the file, the longer the scanning process. It would make sense for what you observed despite knowing the two processors are (equally) speedy.
I tested this multiple times with both the P16 and s16. Even from a fresh restart. A lot of people weighed in on that section. There's lots of factors yes, and it might not be performance related but what you see is what's happening.
There's been lots of updates to these laptops so I would like to test again
11:43 That's due to SME. It's going to score about 3300 on GB 6.1
Thanks very much. But I was after actually battery life. There needs to model for working it out ... mode of computer, brightness setting for monitor, battery size. I still do not know if a Ryzen 9ai gets worse endurance than a Qualcomm. I suspect it does have worse endurance. For instance HP put a bigger battery in their Ryzen 9ai 360 than they do in the same notebook with a Qualcomm CPU.Omnibook X versus Ultra (first has Qualcomm and Ultra has Ryzen.
Have you come closer to why AMD Ryzen was slower than the snapdragon - since the numbers are not telling the same story. In your real time test from Windwos it opened up slower - but has there been any changes to software/drivers or anything changing this?
I ended up getting rid of all my snapdragon laptops after these Ryzen 9 AI chips came out. I'll have to get another one to compare. But I plan on it
Can you do proart VS g16? Especially battery life and temperature would be interesting
Ok will do. Temps are more than acceptable on both. Neither of them come close to thermal throttling. The p16 obviously has higher temps but it runs at 80 watts vs. 30 on the s16
@@consumertechwarehouse thank you. But yeah I meant the zephyrus VS proart expecially they are the same but with other processors, so battery life and noise of the fans etc would be interesting.
Geekbench is made to favor apple silicon..in other benchmarks they lose the huge single core lead.
did you update the laptops before using from windows and my asus
Of course. Ran all the updates on MyAsus, windows update and windows store. I filmed that process and was supposed to mention that in the intro. But I guess I forgot. Glad you're asking so it's at least in the comments now
The 70 watt is both tdp of igpu plus cpu
Correct. Yep. I don't think I specified that in the video tho. Should have probably mentioned that.
And how much the M3 pro max cost?
The M3 pro max die size is crazy big considering it use smaller node
Honestly I'm more confused now seeing m4 numbers and comparisons, so which laptop should i buy now if i wanna buy or should i wait? I have budget of 1 lac to spend max
If you're considering a Mac it almost sounds like you should wait. Those scores were insane on the ipad. But that's just Geekbench. I gotta wait till I get in new MacBooks
Thanks for the video. On unrelated note, I would love to see your impressions of Pixel 9 Pro Fold, especially on PWM. I had Blade 16 Mini-LED and have G9 Neo 57" and I hate PWM. I percieve PWM on the devices same as you, so your review would really help me.
from Korea, good video !!
Thanks! 😃
Snapdragon X Elite 🔋🔋🔋💪
Apples chips are beast. The only down side to them is that they are on Mac OS and not windows
So in most cases going over the set wattage of the zenbook s16 is pointless?
Looks wise, the pro art looks so much better than the zenbook. Looks like Asus was confused how to design a laptop. They probably had kitchen countertops in mind when designing the laptop.
Yeah 100%. I'm not as sold on this design as much as some of the other reviews
Most zenbook reviewers say it looks sic, especially the scandamavian white ...
The Asus S16 has a crappy SSD, almost pcie3 performance, slower performance in the browser might be from writing cached files to the SSD, slower launching, also could be the slow SSD....
Someone else mentioned that. The p16 wasn't that much better. It doesn't make sense. The performance is there. I ran some intense programs like Lightroom classic and premiere and gaming and it's blazing fast. I think there just needs to be some driver optimization
Snapdragon uses very expensive 8533 mhz memory vs hx365 using 7500 mhz, so snapdragon menory is 15% faster ... Also the s16 flash might be slow ... I bought an s365 S16 and I'm looking forward to powerful 17w computing in the years to come ...
Yeah there's a lot of factors at play. RAM speed is probably a big one. I actually kept the p16 as my only laptop. How you enjoy the s16
Which brand is that notebook?
Asus and the Samsung Galaxy book 4 edge
The x86 sleep "issue" is a Windows issue, not a chip issue...
On every snapdragon x chip laptop I've used, Windows wakes instantly from sleep
@@consumertechwarehouse not the x86 chips? My tiger lake laptop and my Ryzen desktop wake instantly but that might be because I'm using Linux. Strange that MS wouldn't "fix" it on x86 systems...
The battery on my laptop also lasts a while in s0ix sleep like arm laptops but that might be because there's no Windows Update waking the system
That's another thing I'm thinking about too. Windows on ARM and Windows on X86 are different and Microsoft has been focusing more on ARM
Hi!
From the processor standpoint, how does it compare to an intel i9 13900H in the asus zenbook pro 14?
I was interested in this specific model.
Who is faster between the two?
I'm mainly interested in multitasking, having lots of tabs open at the same time, using tradingview, possibly connecting an additional monitor... no gaming, just multitasking and trading.
I don't know if this use is more related to single core or multi core, if you could aknowledge me about it I would be grateful :)
Thanks and good week!
Yeah you just need single core. The new ryzen chips are better than what Intel has to offer currently. Intel is refreshing their chips in aomth or 2 though. So if you prefer Intel, maybe wait a bit.
great tdp except that it just shows the gpu powerdraw and not the whole system like on snapdragon pc`s.
Great work!
do these support usb4?
Yeah it does with 40gbps
@@consumertechwarehouse damn. in theory they would support a 4090 eGPU via usb4/tb4 then I guess?
In theory they should support eGPUs. But I didn't don't recommend them. There's still give bottlenecks and you lose a lot of performance compared to a desktop
Guys for any world of warcraft / dota and light gaming idk what should i choose.
Enough 780m ftom previous ryzen, or probably better igpu on ai9 ryzen.
Or maybe 4050-4060nvidia will be much better
I don't want big gaming laptop.. i don't play cyberpunk etc..
16" oled and power efficient. And i dont like to play with high level of noise from cooling system
I don't believe their tdps transfer directly to Watts like that.
All compony laptop of
Ryzen 9 AI 375 370 365 / Ryzen 5 ,7
In future
Can came with
Dedicated GPU Nvidia or AMD GPU
Dear Karan Johar, please be precise don't use long phrases which are really not taking anywhere while explaining specs.
CISC vs RISC is quite outdated. And architectures converged in modern CPU. It’s irrelevant term to a modern cpu
great video!
That galaxy screen is so much better. The Asus blacks are washed out. Look at the file Explorer in dark mode.
When filming I was more focused on showing the performance difference. So maybe there's some reflection or the brightness I set wasn't the same. In reality though both screens look great. That's camera operator error on my part. Sorry for any confusion
subsciption earned!
Nicee
6:40 yeah also Window did some shitty job with amd
I'm sorry but until there's an actual USE for "A.I."?....I'm not spending money on any hardware that advertises it as a feature. Imagine being told to buy two long cylindrical ROCKETS to attach to your car....because you know......EVENTUALLY cars will fly!.....like all the OEM's and famous brands are touting A.I. but don't exactly TELL you what its GOOD for!?.....
I'll stick to my i7's....32GB of RAM...and 2TB Lenovo and Dells.
Yeah that's why I didn't mention AI at all. Even without AI it's worth paying attention to these chips. They run faster on battery and last much longer
A lot of people are unaware that there are already 200 AI applications on your phone. Image background blur during conferencing Boca in the camera app and a huge number of video processing filters in any video or picture editing...
garbage waste of a time review
really good content but, personal opinion that I did not like your channel logo! 🥲
What??? I spent like 15 minutes on it. lol. At some point I want to get it changed but it’s not my area of expertise.