Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Lower Decks 3.6 - Hear All, Trust Nothing
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I skipped my first karate class (which my parents had just shelled out good money for) and snuck back home to watch the premiere of DS9. And that, kids, is why I am watching Star Trek commentary videos and not a navy seal.
Funny, I watched this episode at work (teaching karate) between classes today
That’s a pretty good deal.
Excellent trade.
Same
Oh now... Is tha the ONLY reason?
I liked how when The Ceritos was flying around the pylons they played virtually the entire DS9 theme, then they continued flying around and the theme started up again.
I laughed so hard at that part. I had to pause for a second.
I laughed so hard, and might I say love all the Star Trek theme songs, but DS9 is my favorite. I could listen to that on loop. 😀
That was 100% the best Lower Decks joke ever, and it's not even close.
Only thing that would have made it funnier is if Ransom had begun humming the theme:
"Just keep circling...Ba-ba-ba bomm..."
the pilots reactions during that scene is what got me, she was so unsure of the whole thing
"I have principles!"
"No you don't!"
That had me in stitches.
That was hilarious! Too good for words!
One of my favorite parts of the episode is when jennifer's friends were asking if Boimler was single cause it proved 3 things:
1. That Boimler is a ladies man
2. That Boimler has no idea he is a ladies man
3. That Mariner cannot deal with the fact that Boimler is a ladies man
Seen previously on the raisin vineyard.
And they didnt mention that in their review. Side bar Mariners glass had no end, it completely consume that entire decanter of green juice.
@@todd-bomb9853 having grown up around a lot of liquor bottles and decanters (not a drinker myself) some bottles deceptively hold less “liquid” than you would think while some glasses can hold a surprising amount of “liquid” 😂😂😂
@@timothys5235 That one you could say is cause he is the vineyard's heir so maybe not showing he is a ladies man. The fact that he did not realize the ladies are making overt sexual suggestions shows how obvious Boilmer can be when coming to women.
Boimler's kind of a question mark. When women fawned over him because they thought he was a freak, he was interested. But now we're seeing a bunch of women being attracted to him, but he's just flat out not interested. Add this to his insane luck at Quark's in spite of us all knowing Quark does rig his games if he feels the loss is too close to his bottom line. The idea that his establishment essentially was opperating legitimately is probably the absolute oddest thing about the episode.
In other words, something odd is going on with Boimler.
In an interview I heard, Mike McMahon implied that it is a strain on the budget to bring back legacy characters, so I want to give the producers big thanks for springing for two of them for this episode. It just wouldn't have worked nearly as well with only one.
Morn sounded just as I remembered him.
@@stevenmcmullan409 But of course he talked everybody's ears off, as usual
Yeah, I don't think they work for scale. Lol!
@@stevenmcmullan409 wish they would have muted him though. Gah! He just keeps yakking!
@@jonathonwhitington402 I felt bad for the poor subtitlers; their fingers must've been bleeding...
So something interesting; Mesk is Worf.
No, really.
He's an alien raised by humans on Earth, whose primary interaction with his heritage is basically the fictional novel equivelent, and there's a clash when he runs into the real deal.
He's an Orion version of Worf
this is true
Side note, I never really thought about it until now. But white it’s the 24th century, Worf still grew up in Russia. Interesting, and weird. Imagine Worf insisting on the good parts of The Soviet Union
I love that you got that reading too. The instant I realized it I was begging for Worf to make a cameo to hammer home that Trope/Aesop.
He was raised on Gault, at least primarily. When he tells Jadzia the story of killing another kid in the soccer game as a teen, he set the story as still being on Gault.
@Tin Watchman There's one big cavaet; when we first saw Worf, he was a LT with some more time/living under his belt. He presumably had more time to actually learn, to spend on the holodeck practicing, etc- as a brash, seemingly just out of the Academy ensign, there's a good chance his skill level would be equivalent to Mesk. (Also, the skills Worf wanted - seemling fighting with a Bat'leth, cuz he sure as shit seemed completely out of his depth when dealing with Klingons otherwise for the first few seasons of TNG - were probably less frowned upon than "pirating it up". Seriously, looking up "how to hijack a starship" would probably throw up a few red flags.)
I love the moment when Kira Nerys was looking out of the commander's office, overlooking the Worm Hole. I like to think that she is thinking (and missing) her friend and Captain, Ben Sisko.
And her Emissary.
Yes. Though I'd like to think Kira was also thinking about Odo in that moment. 🥺🙂❤🧡💛
Not ashamed to admit, I got teary-eyed watching Kira at that moment.
And they convey all this without even saying the name. The show, when it gets the opportunity, can be really good with these little understated moments that still get their meaning across. Ben got namedropped last week, but this week it wasn't even necessary. :)
I’m surprised that this didn’t get mentioned. It was a wonderfully poignant moment.
18:05 Related detail: Kira making use of a baseball analogy ("It's not Starfleet command if they don't throw us a few curveballs.") Another nice little detail showing that Kira is taking after Sisko.
Ds9 holds an incredibly special place in my heart. This was MY show as a teenager. Dad had TOS, my sister claimed TNG, and I had Ds9 all to myself. When my kiddos came Of Trek Age, my sons didn't take to it. But my daughter, Kate, fell in love. We've watched all the series and movies from start to finish. And, to my delight, Ds9 is also her favorite for so many reasons. She is Kira and Dax rolled into one, with the raw determination of a 15-year old Jem'Hadar to keep me on my toes. Tonight's episode of Lower Decks hit my heart in a way I could not have possibly expected. There we were, cuddled up on the couch, and when that Ds9 theme started, we both cheered. Kate leaned over and had the biggest smile. We both realized at the same time that THIS was our favorite Star Trek series and characters getting a new story. A brand new, fresh story that would we could both experience and enjoy for the first time, together. It was such an incredible moment as a life long fan and a Trek dad. I wasn't crying, there was just a lot of dust in the the docking bay. It hasn't been used in a while, after all...
Thank you, Lower Decks, for this incredible gift to the Ds9 fans that have been waiting so long to catch up with Quark, Kira, and even Morn.
That's so sweet! I really feel your joy 🤗 I've only recently been able to share my ST love with one of my kids (the youngest is about to turn 26, so maybe I shouldn't call them kids anymore. But where did all that time go!?) because they were all too young to take to Voyager even. He's currently been doing watch-throughs with his friends online. They started with TOS and are now about ⅔ through Voyager. I can't really watch it with him (don't want to tread on his toes!) but we do talk about the episodes after.
The one thing I was able to have a "mummy/son" bonding thing (we used to joke about it and he really loved being able to switch off from schoolwork and cuddle up with me 💓) over was motorbike racing with my eldest. Even as a teen he'd happily come into my bedroom and we'd sit on the bed watching the various series of racing. Needless to say he became a biker, but he's in it for the love of the bike, it's not a gang thing. Funnily enough, my eldest daughter (#2 lol) has some kids and whenever they come to stay, I try to have some racing (cars & bikes) recorded so we can sit on the bed together and make all the tyre-screeching noises as we "go round corners", lean forward on braking and get pinned back onto the pillows on accelerating!
That's not ST sharing, but it's still sharing a passion with the grandkids, so I really get how much joy you both get from your sharing of your ST passion with your darling daughter. Reading your post, I was swept back about 15 years or more in an instant. I'm still glad to have the ability to sort of share ST with my son (he's #3. Just like me lol), especially because he's on the Asperger's spectrum and only shares what _he_ wants to. He's basically been an awkward teenager all his life lol. Our first bond was over music, but now - though "second hand", it's Star Trek. It means a lot to me.
I hope you have many, many more happy sharing days with your daughter. You've got a lot of new series to go through! And should you run out, Babylon 5 is your next best bet. There's talk of it being remade!
Btw, my youngest daughter is Catherine, aka Kate & Katy when she was little (she then insisted on Cat and it stuck). It's no coincidence that she was born in '96 and got that name ;)
Just remind your kids there would be no cell phones or tablets without Star Trek. Example: the Motorola symbol. Oh and transparent aluminum exists.
@@y_fam_goeglyd What a fantastic story, thank you for sharing! Regardless of what it is (Star Trek is, of course, at the top of the list...), but finding that passion to share with the kiddos is really the joy of parenting. At least for me, it has been. For our oldest son, it was gaming. For our youngest, it has been Scouts. For middle daughter, Trek. :) So glad you had those adrenaline filled rides on the sofa with them!
Nice name choice, by the way! Kate was ALMOST a Kira. Couldn't swing the Jadzia vote, and I think that scarred my (then) non-Trekkie wife off the Trek name theme. We do have a Will(iam T. Riker) for the first born, though! We were huge Lost fans at the time (series finale hadn't happened), so we sci-fi'd Kate in there instead of Kira.
you missed the riker reference. he was the only person to ever get triple dabo at quarks and got a voucher
I got a Tripple dabo in Star Trek Online.... You want to know how hard that is.
This has to be without doubt, the definitive episode of Lower Decks, I was in nostalgic heaven!
DS-9 is my favorite Trek show and when that theme music played I got a little teary eyed.
Wej Duj remains THE definitive episode for me...I am thrilled to have soooooo many in contention though. LOVE this show sooooo much.
@@Gambit2051 I'd agree with that statement, mostly because Wej Duj is just everything I could ever want from Trek and then some wrapped in a neat 22 minute episode.
Definitely feel like this was the ‘best’ episode of the show so far. Absolutely loved it
@@KhaosAdmiral It really is THE Definitive Episode of the show...that does not mean it is the BEST Episode. Definitive does not mean Best...usually just among the best lol
Morn was the first patron in Quark's bar after it was reopened when the Federation took over. He's not a fixture; he an institute,
Just want to put this on the record: Tendi has all the makings of an extraordinary officer. Despite starting on a comedy show, I bet we'll see her as a Captain someday. That's not to say the other junior officers aren't talented or don't have futures, but Tendi is the most clearly "going places" of the bunch.
Absolutely agree with this 100%. She’s continually following a steady progression forward character wise. The vocal performance matches the same level of confidence she has now. She’s truly impressive as an officer which makes sense as to why she’s getting bridge officer training and various missions. I’m curious to see how this season intends to show Boimlers growth. He’s become more “bold”/ risky and I’m curious to see where he goes. Also Samanthan as well.
Totally agree that Tendi has the makings of a potentially great officer. And she was great in this episode.
@Tin Watchman That might make her a good science ship captain. They don't need to go full command mode most of the time. As Janeway says in Caretaker, "It's not crunch time yet. I'll let you know when it is." I could see Tendi getting into the more familiar and easygoing command style Janeway has when she isn't in danger. Tendi's experiences this season are shaping her into that kind of captain. She's learning how to take a harder line when needed, and all she needs to do to make it into captain material is to do it BEFORE the people around her are panicking or about to die so it looks like she's the one in control rather than reacting to the situation.
Imma be pissed if the series finale doesn't feature a Lt. Cmdr. Tendi
Boimler as well. And Mariner if she ever applies herself.
Armin Shimerman & Nana Visitor just slipped into their characters so perfectly and so immediately. They both seemed to really enjoy the opportunity to become Kira & Quark again. I hope this sets up more opportunities for them, and DS9 as a whole, given it is meant to be an important location & trading hub!
To be fair they had a bit of practice when they lent their voices for Star Trek Online.
I love that Armin can still do that high-pitched Quark scream.
I seriously wish and continue to hope that the Star Trek upper echelon decide to bring back DS9. It'd be so easy to pick up right after "what we leave behind" and see where everyone is and how their lives have changed/stayed the same. I'd love to see O'Brien, Bashir, Kira, and Quark again, all involved with a whole new cast of people on the station. Le sigh...
@@_WillCAD_ The Quark scream happens at least twice in Trek Online's Gamma Quadrant arc, and is wonderful to hear. :)
The thing that I liiked about Armin's performance in this episode was that sometime it sounded a lot like he was recorded his lines while wearing his fake Ferengi teeth. There was just enough slurring and slight distortion in his speech to make think that.
One more thing - they mentioned that Quark's was a franchised business at that point, which legitimizes the appearance of Quark's Bar on Freecloud, showed during the episode "Stardust City Rag" during S1 of ST:Picard, and I think an earlier episode of Lower Decks.
This is my favorite episode so far. Seeing Tendi unleash her inner badass was awesome
Best Tendi episode by far
I’ve now fallen deeply in love with Tendí, dammit….!!! 😊
@@datathunderstorm Took you long enough. Although Mariner will always be my golden girl! (Jennifer, sod off!)
Another Easter egg: when Boimler is about to play Dabo he says “Fortune favors the bold!”, which is probably a nod to the season 6 episode “Favor the Bold”.
It's from Shakespeare.
@@Heymrk of course, but also what I said
But you have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.
Does Kirk, say it in a movie? Anyone.
@@alhawki99 Sisko mentions "fortune favors the bold" in his speech just before the battle at the end of the episode also called "Favor The Bold". Experiencing Shakespeare in the original Klingon was General Chang's joke in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
You gave a down to the Kobayashi "Maroon" but you laughed so much explaining why that you turned it into an up for me! Way to go Sean! Such a great episode 🙂👍🏼🖖
I almost cried when the epidode started. One of my favorite episode of Lower Decks so far. I love DS9.
I cried as soon as we saw deep space nine and heard that theme once again. I didn’t want this episode to end it was so perfect.
Seeing the ol' station, seeing and hearing Nana as Kira, THEN Armin as Quark, it was very overwhelming that it all brought a tear to me eye.
Just hearing the DS9 theme again just gave me chills… WOW! great! And it went on like that with all those details.
I was as well. A 44 year old grown man tearing up on his couch, sitting down, watching a cartoon. I loved every minute of it
@@Manofsteel1701-f4r personally this episode makes me feel DS9 should come back as an animated show and it would still work
My fav joke was Mariner saying "They call it a saloon, who are they Hemingway?"
Its as if a TNG character was displaying their cultured sensibility, but with Lower Decks humour, strong joke.
I knew they were going to nail this DS9 episode right at the start when during Kira's introduction the paused on her just staring longingly at the wormhole... that's when I knew. These guys know what they're going.
I thought they exact same thing , it was so unexpected since LD is mostly about laughs , but that stare out the window was just so simple and beautiful
Yeah There were two emotions at that window, one, there's the celestial temple and two, I wonder how SIsko is .. both emotions played so well in animated form... seriously give props to the animation team being able to pull that off!
I guess the third emotion would be about Odo.
I teared up seeing DS9 on screen again with the theme! Then when Kira and Quark were there, I was laughing, crying happy tears, it was a whole thing! Such a fun episode!
I was already a huge fan of Lower Decks, but I lost my marbles with this episode. That was the best episode ever. I might have started Star Trek with TNG, but DS9 was always my Star Trek. I always had a huge crush on Nana Visitor, especially those mirror universe episodes. So I was happy for her to return even in voice.
I’m the DS9 fan who blares out the theme to DS9 on the stereo while driving home from work almost every day….😂👍🏾
I laughed so hard when Shacks said that description about DS9 out loud. 🤣
I was looking forward to this episode and was not disappointed. 👍
I did too, I had to rewind it at least a couple of times because it was so funny!
It was funny, it was a great specific character moment for Shaxs, and it was a great worldbuilding moment, showing us how Bajorans without an intimate connection to DS9 see it.
It was the perfect line for that character in that moment.
I was stopped in my tracks by the episode title “Hear all, trust nothing.” Because this rule of acquisition was first spoken on screen & in cannon as a conversation between Sisko & Nog and to have Armin deliver a rule as the closing line of the episode just felt cathartic as heck. Great video folx!
Additional note: Looking at the image of Tendi running just before she kicks heck out of the Karrema - I think she's doing the TAS 'Kirk run'
Sure as hell it is and a missed easter-egg.
I did think Armin sounded a tiny bit 'off'. Maybe it's because he's older, but I think it might be because he didn't have Quark's Ferengi teeth in while recording his lines😁. Minuscule niggle aside, this was brilliant! A big hit of nostalgia when DS9 appeared with the theme music!
After decades, someone's voice could change so it could make cannonical sense.
I thought he was off a bit at times but other times he was spot on. He may have been trying to replicate the voice as much as he could without the fake teeth in place.
It's because he didn't have the fake teeth and prosthetics on like in the live action show, I bet.
Yeah, that struck me as well. I'm wondering if he didn't listen to his old DS9 appearances and just got a bit off. It does happen. I remember learning that Mel Blanc had to sometimes listen to his earlier recordings to get a voice right again.
My assumption as well is that he was doing his best to do Quark without having to stuff his mouth full of prosthetic teeth. I'm 100% okay with that.
I got surprisingly emotional when they came out of warp and we saw the station, then almost cried when they played the theme!
I got goosebumps when they played the theme. I miss DS9...
As an original member of the old BBS-era Cult of Morn, I did find myself doing the traditional Cult activity in this episode--the instant that he first appeared on screen, I just instinctively belted out a "MORN!" greeting like the bar always did for Norm on Cheers (who he was intended as a reference to from day one).
And of COURSE Morn had no lines, because as witty as he was, as silver-tongued as he was, we never heard a word of it... because his actor couldn't *speak* while wearing the costume.
No, Morn's facial prosthetics were always designed so he could speak, if the writers ever gave him a line. They just... never did. (Morn's actor mentions it in one of the BTS featurettes on my DS9 DVDs.)
I loved the episode, as well! As a DS9 fan, I squeed with joy so many times: Kira's first appearance, the DS9 theme song along with the homage shots of the Ritos circling the starion, Quark's first apearance, Kira's "No you don't!" to Quark's comment about having principles, and Quark's "Nooo!" to Freedman's comment that he should be happy being poor instead of in prison, to name a few.
I imagine with the Dominion War over, the Defiant simply got reassigned; but, you are right, it does seem the Bajorans have greater control over the running of the station. Although, it does still seem that Starfleet officers are assigned to the station as you seem them throughout the episode even though there arent any other Federation ships docked. Maybe the Federation opened a consulate or embassy on the station. They might no longer be in control of the station, or operating it for, and at the invitation of, Bajor, but they do seem to have a continued presence.
I really liked seeing the all Bajoran militia Ops crew. It shows how Bajor has grown and matured over the years. Kudos for showing its development and evolution instead of just keeping to the previous status quo.
It might be just me and my love of puns, but I was willing to forgive the Kobayashi Maru... I mean, the Kobayasbi 'Maroon' and the comment "Theres no wrong way to dance it." At least they did more than just reference the infamous test.
Hehehehe. I also loved Jeniffer's 'sadistic' mischevious side. Is it me or does it somehow realistically flesh out the pairing of her with Mariner. At least its interesting to see what it is about the other's personality that they each are attracted to. I mean, I thought that whole B plot was pretty much how Id expect a date with Mariner to go. And the selfie phaser shot of themselves as they embrace, was so cute too.
Loved the episode; loved your review. Its always an added joy to watch your reviews after the episode, Sean. To you and to all your team behind the scenes, thank you very much for your hard work to make Ups & Downs possible. Here hoping for alot more love being shown to DS9 in future Trek.
@Tin Watchman I mean, with SPOILERS FOR THE END OF DS9, Odo seemingly either apart of or in charge or relations with the Alpha Quadrant it might have warmed up a little bit.
This episode is the stand out episode of the entire series so far. Like DS9 episode "In The Pale Moon Light". This may become one of my favorite episodes of any Star Trek series, truth.
Tawny Newsome regarding this episode: “Look, I'm not proud of a lot of things in my career, but I am proud of that. Because I was right. Yeah. So [Mike] wrote the DS9 episode and he wrote it with Mariner on like a side mission or like on a different storyline. And I read it and I got really sad for myself, Tawny, because I'm a huge Deep Space Nine fan and I really wanted to play in that world. So he logged on to the Zoom and I gave him some serious shit for it. I was like, "How are you denying me this as a fan?" And he was like, "Tawny, we're making a TV show. This isn't about your wants and dreams." But I think he ultimately heard the wisdom and what I was saying. And then he did rewrite the ending for me."
I thought that was neat.
I do feel like they denied us some mariner backstory by keeping her mostly out of the way
@@Sagitarria possibly saving it for a flashback? Gosh there are so many untold Mariner stories. Love Tawny, I feel so sad for her
@@kadosho02 yeah I figure they wanted to do some DS9 but it wasn’t time yet
First, Up for Tawny Newsome being badass enough to say all that, second I was totally there for Mariner/Jenny.... Marinny? Side plot. It was so refreshing to see Mariner doing something normal for her Girlfriend and then Jenny just straightup being compats by saying, I brought you along to rip into these fools, get to it, sweetie :) They are a realllly good match :)
@@TheMsLourdes I loved their last bit…Mariner: “Shall we….”. They embraced and she stunned them both. I swear they went down smiling cheek to cheek…!! So refreshing…!!
The actual title of this episode is an Aron Eisenberg reference as well as this rule was uttered by his character Nog in ds9 call to arms
Kira staring out of the window...Waiting for Sisko...Waiting...forever in love...for Odo. 😥💔
Yes -- This! All the feels.🥺🙂❤🧡💛
@@rachelnesser9223 Doubly so, given Rene's passing
@@Sephiroth144 Yes, definitely. Watching this DS9 episode of Lower Decks, I was missing Rene/Odo SO much!🥺🧡💛
omg i just JUST realized the quarks gift shop attachment is totally a covert callback to the Star Trek Experience thing, when the hilton los vegas was remodeled and themed to look like DS9, which btw i was lucky enough to visit once, it was so, so cool, i really hope they consider bringing it back, but this time maybe include some actual trek themed games, like dabo, domjot, fizbin, and tongo, and maybe the wadi game... 🎶alamoraine, count to 4, alamoraine, then 3 more...🎶 and now its stuck in your head and you are very welcome
Alamoraine…..that was cruel! Thanks for making me laugh so hard….!!! It was cringeworthy, but now it’s DS9 lore…..😅
My favorite episode so far! Nana Visitor and Armin Shimmerman back as Kira and Quark was so awesome! And by happy coincidence I've been rewatching DS9, And after I watched this "Starship Down" came up. Fun episode!
Quark: I have principles. Kira: No you dont. had me rolling.
The Latinum Up should be that Mariner went to meet Jennifer's friends for the first time, and brought a phaser.
Ok NOW I feel like that was driven by jealousy.
BTW, I FREAKING LOVE JENIMER!
Yes, that's the ship name I'm going with.
@@jeremydale4548 Na, we need something more creative than just smashing their names together.
Love Love Love that Morn is still sitting in the bar! Latinum UP!!!!
I think he lives there, even camps out 😅
Since DS9 is my absolute favorite Trek, I was very skeptical. It turned out to be one of my favorite episodes of Lower Decks if not my number one favorite!! The Karema, MORN, the attention to detail was great! Even the reference to Garek’s tailor shop and Nerys having Sisko’s baseball were great little details!! It actually made me tear up. Can’t wait for more DS9 focused shows in the future.
And that ball didn't only sit there - she also used it similar to how Sisko did and even made a baseball related joke.
When we learned that Shax and Kira were buddies, I had flashbacks to the horrifying deaths of Kira's old pals by that scarred Cardassian murderer.
@Tin Watchman if he'd already enlisted in starfleet by that time I feel like he'd be much harder to get at.
The layered cocktail (brown on bottom, blue on top) is a Modela aperitif, which previously appeared in the DS9 episode "Dramatis Personae."
Latinum up for the return of The Mistress of Winter Constellations. The change of her voice was so great.
I love that they got the sound effects of the doors and Kira’s Bajoran combadge correct after all these years.
Huge DS9 fan but I loved Tendi's story. It progressed her character so much. I am kind of sad we got this so early because I was looking forward to the anticipation. It feels like the day after Christmas.
Despite the one down here, this episode was flawless for me.
And my God,.that DS9 theme and just circling the pilons.. Goosebumps.
I loved that Broyk, Quark's pit boss, had a decent part in this. Though I must admit there was a lump in my throat when I was watching the episode when I realised we wouldn't be seeing Odo or Nog 😢
I believe this episode marks the 1st Star Trek show to have actors from more than two different Star Trek shows guest star as their respective characters. For Lower Decks, they've had Riker and Troi from TNG, Tom Paris from Voyager, and Kira and Quark from DS9.
I think the Orion guy being an orphaned tryhard raised on Earth who got all of his info about culture from novels seems to be a reference to early TNG Worf. Early TNG Worf was always going on about what Klingons do and don't do.
Was thrilled to hear Nana & Armin resume their roles like they never left 👍🏼
The way you said "or jenny" at 3:15 instantly reminded me of Rom taking about "RAKtageno" when he was added to the Day shift. 🤣
Also, Kira standing in her (Sisko's former) office staring at the wormhole could be a reference to her friendship with Sisko and her knowledge that's in the wormhole with the Prophets. Her gaze is thoughtful and reflectionary in that moment.
@Tin Watchman Of course, she's in Sisko's old office, and immediately goes to playing with his ball... I'm leaning towards Sisko.
The Kobayashi Maroon was a real groaner but overall, great episode. I am surprised there wasn't a Vic Fontaine reference.
I laughed, I giggled, I swooned, I squeed, I even had happy tears. Lower Decks...thank you so much.👏👏👏👏👏👏
When Mariner and the girls talk about the candles consuming the oxygen in the room, it reminded me of the Enterprise episode "Shuttlepod One," which Tucker lights a candle as their oxygen supply is running out.
When Ransom says go one more time after the credits end, and they do the opening theme ONE MORE TIME, it deserves another UP
And Mesk deserves an UP for the Worf upbringing Easter egg.
And Boimler with his uniform top unbuttoned is awesome. Like Picard in Tapestry
Flying around in awe of the pylons had me almost choke to death laughing.
This is the episode I was waiting for this season, and I am so happy that it didn't disappoint. Hearing Nana Visitor and Armin Shimerman, the DS9 theme, seeing the station (eyesore of Cardassian fascism aside), all just hit me so hard because DS9 is also *my* Trek. The story was excellent, I could tell everyone put in 100%. Boimler didn't have a lot to do but his role in the epi was perfect. If they tried to squeeze in Ezri, Bashir or even Worf it might have been too much. Kira and Quark were perfectly enough for their appearances. I wish they had a budget to do more stuff like this.
I was thinking "did Mariner do a Capt. Jack Harkness and pull that phaser/tricorder... from there?"
“You really don't want to know.” ;)
Could've done a Tuvok appearance; no words, just have them walking down the hall or maybe have Bashir running a light over Quark after his return...
I personally loved the Kobayashi Maroon, but I just love puns! DS9 is my favorite series as well and I think this episode was a fantastic one! And the fact that Tendi's side-plot and the Mariner/Jennifer side-plot were just as good as the DS9 main plot of the episode made it even better!
I also laughed at it. No problem for me.
I would like to propose a down:
The fact that we didn’t see Vic Fontaine. It would’ve been possible since James Darren is still alive and kicking. It was especially frustrating since we heard the “casino jazz” while Boimler was playing Dabo.
He's had two strokes and can barely speak now.
@@Heymrk I did NOT know this. Oh, James, you poor man...
I could not stop laughing. I was so much of a big kid during this.
Ditto! I was literally clapping with glee - and I’m over 6 decades old….😅
This was an incredible episode, and I say this as someone who was more TNG than DS9 growing up (I preferred the variety of tech and exploration in TNG; the interpersonal and ethical streak to DS9 went over my head when I was younger). I was hoping to see Bashir and Garak being space husbands, but there's still plenty of opportunity for him to appear (not least because What We Left Behind has him in Section 31).
And a piece of trivia: Shimerman confirmed that he wore his original prosthetic teeth when he was recording Quark's lines.
As a DS9 fan, I loved this ep. So good and agree that the balance was just right. I think I may have also caught another easter egg that wasn't mentioned. Enterprise Bingo from Strange New Worlds.
Was that Benny Russell’s typewriter in the Admiral’s ready room?
Once again your forensic examination of this episode is fantastic. I am somewhat disapointed that you missed the fact that Mesk was from Cincinnati, Ohio. I am from Cincinnati and it was a real kick to have it mentioned on the show! I just figured that you know where all of your fans are from and live. 😜
My only down is that Armin Shimmerman obviously didn't have the Ferengi teeth prosthetic in when recording, and his voice was a little too hu-mahn.
Did anyone else notice how grey and dingy the baseball in Col. Kira's office now was?? It would appear she tasses it up and down a lot and has allowed it to get dirty. That's something Capt. Sisko never would have let happen. Then again, maybe she just doesn't have time to lovingly keep it in mint condition as Sisko would. That, or maybe the memories of her time with him are more important to her than keeping it clean.
I think that's just the lighting. That baseball was never in mint condition. It was used, it was used on a *real* ballfield and not the Holodeck. Perhaps he wanted to keep it the same as it was recovered from being used in a real game, but there's no evidence Sisko kept it clean. He only made sure it wasn't falling apart.
Or, it might be a random Baseball, that she keeps on her desk to honor her friend, and not The Sisko's baseball... I mean, I was kinda surprised it was there, and would make some sense if Kassidy (or Jake) had claimed Ben's baseball.
@@Sephiroth144 Possibly, either that or its a continuation of when Sisko left the baseball behind when they abandoned the station to the Dominion. Its there waiting for him to come back for it - a sign that he's not truly gone, just currently occupied elsewhere.
@@williamtoner3943 ballfield? You mean ballpark.
@@andromidius Granted; but if your dad died (granted, The Sisko (probably) didn't die, but functionally for Jake, well, he's not coming back for a while at least), and the ball that you played with your old man was sitting on the desk, would you want to bring it "home", or leave it at his work?
Gee Sean. I remember when Star Trek TOS premiered with "The Man Trap", and I was immediately hooked. That was close to 60 years ago! DS9 is a newcomer (but still my favorite Star Trek series).
That part with Mariner, Jennifer, and her friends was twistedly sweet, which I guess if fitting for anything Mariner is involved with.
The uniforms make more sense when you realize that they come down largely to Captain's discretion. This is why you see multiple uniforms active in an era. Especially in more recent Treks. The Captains have a pool of them to choose from.
The Quark scream and Tendi going all Orion Amazon was what tickled me the most. I mean, that guy in engineering totally committed suicide vs facing Tendi.
I can’t give the Kobayashi Maru an automatic down this week. The line that there is no right way to perform the dance saves it for me.
"It is green."
Picard identified it as "Aldebron Whiskey" in the TNG episode (IIRC) "Relics" with Scotty and the Dyson Sphere.
TOS 2:22 "By Any Other Name"
Scotty gets the Andromedean drunk and says, "It's green."
I just watched this the other day. Scotty asks Data what it is and Data responds "It is green". Picard later identifies it to Scotty (on the original Enterprise Bridge), saying "Who do you think gave it to Guinan?"
It's also a funny reference in Mass Effect 2.
This episode is a masterpiece. Start to finish, a gem. Absolutely love it
Actually, Mariner pulling a phaser and tricorder out of nowhere might not be as far-fetched as it sounds. In the videogame Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force, you play as a member of Voyager's newly assembled Hazard Team. Each team member wears a portable pattern buffer, in which is stored all their gear. It's not a stretch to consider the possibility that Mariner has one on her.
So they basically have a bag-of-holding like found in fantasy games/stories, which can hold anything or any size. Interesting.
good old Elite force. but they also had personal shield generators something no one in trek has before or had since AFAIK except the borg.
@@Phaota pretty sure there's a size limit. I don't see Mariner being able to pull a shuttlecraft out of nowhere.
@@GBRyker61 I never said she could. A bag of holding wouldn't be able to contain something that big, only small items like a phaser and others of similar size.
1) My one teensy nitpick: when they decided to revert Kira to the Militia uniform (because the Federation handed control of DS9 to the Bajoran government), they also give Kira her season 1-6 (1/2) pixie cut. I would have liked her to have the season 7 hair. Horrible nitpick, I know. 😆
2) You didn't pick up on how the theme they used for the beauty passes with the Cerritos and DS9 was the season 1-3 theme, which I love and prefer. When the station got "busier" and as the Dominion approached, in real world they adjusted the theme for seasons 4-7. Theme A is majestic and sweeping, and Theme B is quicker and bustling.
3) I wish Shaxs had gotten a personal name, given he called Kira by hers in the episode.
4) Mesk in some ways feels like an allusion to... Worf! Mesk was adopted by human parents and raised in Ohio (oh god!) and had to learn about his birth culture from sources because he was the only Orion growing up, just as Worf had to learn Klingon culture outside of growing up in it. Even Jadzia and Ezri made the point that Worf as a Klingon was always more "Klingon" that other Klingons.
4A) Tendi was raised in a full Orion cultural norm and bristled at it. And it was an ironic turn that Mesk played up being Orion, but Tendi had the cultural nuance/"training" to actually do it.
5) The "girls with candles" salon was a trope in itself and I was laughing my a** off when Mariner walked in.
6) I though this was the right touch of comedy, drama, and plot. This episode did me happy as, like Seán, DS9 is my favourite Trek franchise. It's so good that I rebuke the Down in the name of the Prophets!
7) Sisko's baseball and Kira looking at the Celestial Temple 😢
Thank you all for a great review once again!
Typewriter that Sisko used (other side from the Alamo)
Disappointed that Sean missed the typewriter.
Ooh!
🤯OMG! Theory, just hear me out: Boimler, this season, has, to my recollection, only ever verbally initiates Bold Boimler anytime Tendi is in close proximity (he acts bold sometimes, but literally saying "Bold" Boimler only happens with Tendi).
So what if, ST:LD theory here, what if, despite Tendi's assertions that she doesn't give off pheromones, this is more of a desire to repress her traditional Orion characteristics, and she is, in fact, projecting her desire to see her friend becoming something bigger and better by inadvertently projecting her pheromones, giving him exceptional confidence! Which might go to explain why he has become unnaturally lucky (so much so even a Ferengi thought it was some sort of artificial feature), and why he is giving off an attractive characteristic to women on the ship, whereas women on other ships still find him to be, as established in a recent episode, a clumsy robot.
😲 Ooooohh...
Morn, Quark, and Q are now the only characters to appear in all four 24th century shows (TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Lower Decks). If they want to throw Gul Evek in a future episode then I think he’s the only character who could be added to the list.
And yeah, I’m not counting Riker because that was Thomas on DS9
@Tin Watchman nope, Picard was the only one. While Thomas Riker showed up pretending to be Will in Defiant, so Frakes has been in all the series, it’s not the same character.
Your mention of Garak on Cardassia explains where Bashir is. He's obviously home with his husband. 👨❤️👨
I am not afraid to admit that I as a 48 year old bloke cried happy to see DS9, hear the theme, see Kira & Quark. Such joy. It only made me want more DS9 though. Best episode of Lower Decks imo.
I got you beat! 62 years old and I had a lump in my throat and a tear streaming down my cheek at the sight of the Cerritos circling DS9’s pylons.
A big shout out to the animators for rendering not only DS9 but The Cerritos with such amazing attention to detail……us sci-fi nerds notice and appreciate that level of professionalism…..🥲
I hate to say it but you seem to have missed one, when the admirals calling you can clearly see Sisko’s typewriter from far beyond the stars up on the shelf across from the Alamo.
The caricature of Quark is amazing! Just three or four pen strokes to create an unmistakeable face. True artistic talent, that, that I'm sure is under-appreciated.
Best episode of LD so far, and I'm not just saying that because I love DS9. I was a little disappointed that the Karemma wasn't the one played by James Cromwell, especially considering they had him in a booth for earlier this season, but I guess they needed a different one for the story, and the real guest stars were Nana Visitor and Armin Shimerman, anyway. They so perfectly nailed everything about DS9 that I now would love Titmouse to animate a DS9 show. TNG and Voyager both have sequels, the least they could do for DS9 is a cartoon.
I love DS9. I wonder why they never made DS9 movies?
@@leliawest-sinclair7171 Because Paramount hates DS9, and what the corporation wants the corporation gets, the fans be damned.
I'd argue with canon watch there ! its entirely possible the Defiant is still assigned to DS9 and was just off on a priority assignment under its commander . Colonel Kira could be DS9's commander while the Defiant has some one else in the center seat (a young Commander Nog perhaps if we want a comic appearance of it). the implication i always got from DS9 was that Sisko was acting as a bit of a commodore during the dominion War - DS9 was his primary command. He could take the Defiant out when needed but it was nominally under the command of some one else - Eddington and then Worf.
Nog in future eps maybe.
I am rewatching Lower Decks, and I find that I also have to rewatch your reviews as well. I am starting to associate your videos with Star Trek so much I can't watch one without following it up with you guys....
The episode truly felt like it could've been an actual episode of DS9.
We know that Federation members can keep their own "military" and "research" vessels. (The Vulcan's still have their own ships.)
Bajor might already be a Federation member and the Federation Council decided that the Wormhole fell under their primary purview.
This would put the Bajoran's in a rather strong position as trusted members of the Federation.
The Defiant might even still be stationed there, but is out patrolling the Cardassian border or the Badlands.
To be fair, Jenny being a bit of a sadist kinda tracks with how Andorians just LOVE combat. Just look at how they were portrayed in Enterprise, especially Shran and his crew.
Also, regarding the "overuse" of Kobayashi Maru, blame Wrath of Khan and how it's praised too much.
This for me is why Lower Decks is the best of all the new Treks.
It’s the only show that doesn’t crap on the legacy of all the old Treks while still being its own new thing…proving it’s possible to blaze a new trail without disrespecting the old trails.
So thanks, Lower Decks creators!
This episode made me so happy! It makes me wonder what they have in store for the season finale, because this is gonna be hard to beat!!
The Kobayashi "Maroon" as an interpretive dance because there's no right way to do it was, I thought, a fantastic joke. The reference does gets overused, but this was a really good use and solidly in the "up" category for me.
This was the best episode of the season and possibly of the whole show so far. I'm a huge DS9 fan and seeing Kira and Quark just took my breath away. Lower decks takes my two favorite things and puts them together. Star Trek and 1/2 hour animation. 👌👍🏼
I think at this point the writers of Lower Decks have decided (maybe someone made it a challenge) that there has to be a Kobiyashi Maru reference in every episode. So if that turns out to be true, and completely intentional, are you going to keep giving them downs?
The fact we got effectively got a QUARK EPISODE 20 years later just gave me life
I want an episode named Lower Dax, which features Nicole DeBoer as Ezri Dax :)
Well, we could just headcanon it that Bashir and Ezri weren't in this episode because they were off on a mission aboard the Defiant
Funnily enough, one of the women at the Cerritos candlelight get together looked like a dead ringer for the elfin Ezri Dax - just that the spots were missing……🤔
They need to bring back DS9 in some new form... even if it is animation!!! We've seen the proof of concept as of this episode. Well done Nana Visitor and Armin Shimmerman. It was like they never left their roles!
One of the great things about Armin back as Quark, he doesn't have to spend hours in the make-up chair 🤣
I hope every episode of Lower Decks includes a Kobayashi Maru reference. I hope next season they go overboard with 2-3 per episode, get meta with it. I hope the final episode takes place entirely on the actual Kobayashi Maru and turns out to be Morn's snowglobe dream or something. Just for Sean.
😂
Make avoiding the references a no win scenario.
The outro theme as the ds9 theme was a nice nostalgia touch
ooohhhh. Sean, I think lower decks is just outrageously brilliant. I love your ups and downs. This is easily the best episode yet. Keep up the amazing work.