Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Lower Decks 4.7 - A Few Badgeys More
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Grapplers are sick! Here's Seán with all the Ups & Downs from this week's episode of Lower Decks.
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This literally looks like copy-paste from the Stellaris mod "Star Trek: New Horizons"
Like, it's pixel for pixel.. If it was made by the same devs as New Horizons, more power to them, but it seems to be much smaller in scale for some reason.
To quote one of the (mixed) steam reviews: Did Ferengi make this? I say this because I know Paradox... they'll milk this for every dlc it's worth until it's dead.. just like all their other games.
@@misty-skies its worse than new horizons
you shouldn't be allowed to review episodes with PeanutHamper in them because of how mean you were to her last time.
@trekculture please consider coming over to Threads as I have quit the app formerly known as Twitter and I miss your content there
It never occurred to me that Badgey could also be taken as Bad-gey. It was only when Goodgey showed up that I realized it. Facepalm.
If it makes you feel any better, you weren’t the only one!
Other than realizing Goodgey is a good guy, I didn't even get the nod to Bad-gey that you mention until I read your comment. 😂
I never realized
You were not alone 🤦♂️
Me neither but it seems even Goodgey has a little Badgey in them.
I like when The Mistress of the Winter Constellation, The Tip of the Moonlit Sword giggles cause she can play in the sand some more!
For Boimler in this episode, I think it showed character growth. Where he is usually neurotic, bordering on hysterical, in this he is in control and calm throughout. Almost bored.
It shows that, while he can still go full Boimler, he has learned from previous experience and deserves his promotion.
Totally agree. In fact, he was acting so normal that I didn't even realize that he was acting out of character until you pointed it out just now.
Ditto.
Agreeeed, Boimler was so much more confident and knew he could handle the situation.
I think the pep talks from Mariner and T’Lyn have really helped him with that.
absolutely agree. He seems to be growing really well as a character since his promotion to LJG.
"What I've come to understand is that instead of organics...what I really need to subjugate is my feelings"
"I HAVE CONQUERED SELF-DOUBT, AND SIEZED PERSONAL GROWTH!" - Lord Tyranakillikus
These lines all felt very Futurama, which is not a complaint.
Logicy is also copper colored... the same element that is in Vulcan blood. Cool little detail.
I was just thinking about 1, 2nd, and 3rd place medals. But that's good.
Yep, that's genius
I took the whole “No way the Federation can take care of this in an hour” as a subtle dig at the entire notion of ‘save the galaxy in a single episode.’ The Easter eggs in this show are amazing!
That's exactly what it was meaning to mean. Not sure what else it would be.
I paused the show to laugh for a bit at that. Not sure why Sean didn't mention it.
How I took it too.
glad someone else caught that!
KEVIN (Carlson) was the name of the puppeteer of the exocomps. That needs mentioned! Huuuuuuge Easter egg. That guy worked with Jim Henson. If it was mentioned I missed it …..it should be an -up-. That literally is why peanut called him dad!
Might Kevin also be a dig at K.E.V.I.N from the Marvel abomination "She-Hulk"?
Badgey's Good>Evil split goes much farther back than Data>Lore. It's Good Kirk>Evil Kirk back in TOS's Season 1 "The Enemy Within."
Data and Lore didn't split from a single android anyway.
I was thinking of that episode as well. However, The Enemy Within established that half a person cannot live. You need the negative qualities and the positive qualities combined. With Badgey, this was not the case.
I think the point that was being made is that the same basic plot was used within co-currently running shows. The down was about the apparent lack of coordination and communication between the production crews for each show. I think thats why Shawn didnt use the TOS episode as an examole to support his point.
I WANNA LIVE!!!
Might be too deep a pull from a completely different franchise but I thought of Majin Buu splitting off his good nature at one point.
You missed two STE easter eggs. The grappling hooks themselves and the uniform getting stuck and having to take it off to get free was such a classic Hoshi Sato move! 🤓
Man, the Stargate replicators who tried to ascend would be soooo envious of Badgey.
Poor Weir, stuck floating in space until her power cells run out.
@@JaredLS10 That's a living hell. Hopefully there is a silicon heaven after they shut down.
Tendi - Boimler / Rutherford - Mariner is a rarer combo, but I loved how it still works really well.
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations 🖖🏻
Boimler complimenting agimus on his take over was hilarious. Especially that bit about the coastal cities
These are the same reptiles from Season 1 who didn't object _particularly strongly_ to being eaten by the Rat People ("Well, we are deliciouth...") so I doubt they put up much of a fight. And I think we can be relatively assured that no lasting damage was done to their society.
@@GSBarlev They'll probably just think it's weird that the metal things didn't actually eat any of them.
I loved how Badgy was resolved. But the twist that ships are being stolen and not destroyed was an interesting twist.
It was becoming more obvious the more they developed the crews and brought in well known voice actors for them, before they "Blew up"
@@DimoB8 I was suspicious when the Romulan ship had an intact captain's chair floating in the void without even a major blood splatter.
Know who else downloaded rather than killed? V'ger....
Also the episode title “A Few Badgeys More” could be referencing the TNG episode “A Fistful Of Datas”
Both of which are also referencing the classic Spaghetti Westerns A Fistful Of Dollars & For A Few Dollars More.
And both of them involve holodecks or at the very least holograms causing issues.
this was my very first thought seeing the name, and was the one thing i was certain would come up. i have been searching the comments to see if anyone mentioned it
Hopefully we'll see "The Goodgey, the Badgey and (whatever)".
Good to see Mariner and Rutherford teamed up together, and Tendi and Boimler paired off. They never seem to have those pairs doing their thing.
Also, no T'Yln again?
Personally, I’m thinking the big-bad of the season is going to end up involving Boimler’s “evil” transporter clone and Section 31 somehow 👀 since that is still a loose thread
Oh Willaim Boimler it would be something that Section 31 would do
@@Arvyn992 I forgot his name 😅😂 thank you. We’ll see if this ends up being the case. Only a few episodes left this season
@@Keither754your welcome
@@Arvyn992 does it? How does stealing random ships help the federation.
Oh, yeah, Section 31 and W Boimler was my first thought in the first episode.
The fact that Rutherford somehow managed to create an AI that can ascend speaks volumes about his innate genius
Yes! The AI was able to access the ancient energies. Badgey could be with the Prophets now, for all we know.
@@HighSierra1500wait so he's annoying sisko?
@@keit99 Most likely.
I think the moment Mariner throws her hands up like "don't shoot" but says "what's up party people" was a comedic moment and deserves an up...
Call me a bleeding heart, but I love when a villain (or three in this case) is transformed instead of just defeated. So, com'on Seán, give ol' P.H. another chance!
I appreciate that Badgey splits up
Into the color scheme used to identify divisions in Discovery season one and two. Gold-command; silver-science; bronze-operations. 14:08
4:20 Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but hear me out. I'm pretty sure Lord Tyranikillicus is an homage to Galvatron/Megatron. The robotic voice, for one thing, is pretty close to how Fred Tatasciore voiced Megaton. Also there's the distinctive purple and black color scheme. If you're old enough to remember original Transformers, in the episode "Webworld" Galvatron goes to therapy; of course he goes insane but that's beside the point. I just think these aren't just coincidences; there's more here than meets the eye.
Was not expecting to be reminded of Webworld today
AGIMUS and Peanut-Hamper is now my one true ship for all of Star Trek! Absolute perfection 💜
🤘🤩🤘
Casually planning genocide and subjugating entire planets with your special someone is true couple goals.
@@inthestudy Peamus?
@inthestudy Umm... phonetically perhaps not the best option available
@@jintym2951 Ooof yeah, I was going for a "Hummus" pun. Nuking THAT comment.
Lol 2 seconds after this episode was done I was thinking "I wonder how long until this becomes the prime ship ?"
Tendi loving sand is actually character continuity from the first episode when Mariner takes her to Hawaii via the holodeck.
In that episode, Boimler is the one who mentions how 'it gets everywhere.'
mean while in another unvirse
darth vader; i sense a great disdurbtence in the force.
@@Mrcookiemonster515Tendi is the Anti-Anakin.
Also Boimler mentioned then that sand gave him a rash and here you see him occasionally scratching his neck 😂
Lowkey lower decks has some of the best continuity of a ST show
Badgey was my pick for big bad this season..... So... I'm not sure at all who the EEEEVIL season bad is. Oh, and this one was funny AF. Jeffery Combs - just perfect megalomaniacal computer!
The Peanut Hamper autodown made me chuckle... I love the character development of our 3 would-be evil mechanoid life forms. I wonder if Goodgey will become recurring (probably not) or at least a once-per-season cameo?
I have to agree with Sean about Peanut Hamper.
I think it's the name.
"Peanut Hamper" just seems so creepy to me.
I mostly like her because she's *not* megalomaniacal. She's just extremely narcissistic.
We always like to see Star-gate getting some recognition.
It being the Pakleds would be absolutely hilarious and it feels like right up the show's alley in terms of a joke but I don't think it's them.
Mirror Pakleds....
Mirror pakleds who actually blew up the Pakleds so no one could suspect any pakleds and also get rid of any competition.@@piquels6934
@@piquels6934 The problem with that is that the mirror counterpart of the Federation is a lot less likely to overlook non threats long enough for them to become threats. Nah, they'd much rather prey on non threats.
"We need to be smarter. You have smart stuff. We will add your stuff to our stuff and be SMARTER!"
I feel it's the pakleds
A few observations I made:
When Badgey ascends, it is like how V'gee went to a new plane of realty, but without a human sacrifice
The movie playing in the robot waiting room may have been a reference to The Brave Little Toaster, which is an obscure movie about a toaster
It was also the exact same kind of ascension as the guy from the first season.
Badgey splitting in two reminded me of when Kirk came out of the transporter with a light side and a dark side. Much like how Sean reminded me of that between his light and dark sides in this episode (technical difficulties, I know)
Love seeing (hearing) Jeffrey Combs back again. Love his many characters.
For me, when Badgey ascended and the bird halo appeared, it seemed reminiscent of X-men's Phoenix Saga episode where Jean Grey ascended as the phoenix from their ship in space.
When Badgey started uploading himself across the subspace network I let out a groan because it felt like the same plot point again, I'm so glad the LD team had a way to subvert it.
I was in Desert Storm, I can concur with Anakin on sand.
Anyone else clock the dig of Boimler's "starfleet could fix this in a hour" basically saying that fixing everything Ag has done rhus episode would even take a full tng episode to fix, not even qualifying a double episode story
The Lassie cameo is a deep cut because TAS used a clip of a Lassie cartoon in One of our Planets is Missing...
From the beginning with the destruction of various ships, their ends reminded me of V’ger’s attack in the first film. It turns out they were all changed into data. The debris threw me off but they may have been planted. That suggest Starfleet who was the only organization to walk away from contact with Vger.
My left-field theory kinda lines up with this too. It could be the machine race that encountered V'ger and sent him back out with souped up gear.
Someone (remembered it was Ryan's Edits!) once made a video using a slightly edited DS9 clip where Weyoun & Kira are in the board room and he's discussing Ziyals art, and it was nicely edited to have him say "Would I be more aesthetically pleasing if I were blue?", with an appearance from Shran at the end, so, a blue Agimus as played by Mr. Combs, more pleasing to look at, they did their youtube homework there... :P
I love that "Starfleet could deal with this in an hour" joke
Our lower deckers acted much more mature and less wacky. I like it
"Peanut Hamper is back....yay."
I laughed harder at that comment than I did at anything in the actual episode..
Badgey is now my real head canon for the reason behind the burn ahhahaha
The Cerritos is a literal animated Ship of Theseus by now. There is probably less than 20% of the ship we were introduced to back in season 1 still remaining.
Let's not forget all the hull panels jettisoned, so there's not even a single original piece of hull left.
The warp core got ejected to blow up the Texas-class ships, the Pakleds cut holes in the hull, parts of the ship got mutated... Yeah, that tracks. There's not much of Season 1 Episode 1 Cerritos left by now.
The supercomputer therapy and exercise reminded me of Futurama.
CHANGE PLACES!
You missed the fact that Badgey spreading via the subspace network is a similar premise to SNW's musical episode. Starfleet Security should definitely look into setting up some subspace firewires and security features.
You also missed the fact that when Badgey is spreading across the subspace network and he appears in a stellar cartography lab, the round universe behind him looks like the TNG comm badge.
I love your Ups and Downs series. Keep up the great work!
My only complaint about the episode would be that the ending felt rushed, maybe 5 more minutes to give Badgey's oneness with the universe a little more weight and let the transition feel a bit more natural.
I agree, but when you have 24 minutes (or whatever) you have to cut something. If they made an episode 8 or 10 minutes longer, but kept the current tempo, they could do something epic.
"LD Spacedock" - Douglas Station. "Voyager type ship" - Yeager class, a DS9 kitbash ship using parts from a Maquis raider and USS Voyager model.
One thing Lower Decks has that beats all the other Trek shows: it makes me chuckle every episode, multiple times. that's appreciated.
I love that AGIMUS is so feared...and so very bad at his job....
I don't feel like I've really finished watching a Lower Decks episode until I've seen the accompanying Ups and Downs! Great job week after week, folks!
That first down struck my soul. Couldn’t agree more.
I name all my computers after fictional AI. I named this one Peanut Hamper. I'm sorry Sean!
Oh my God. I have to know more about what kind of computer. I'm also seriously regretting my current PC naming scheme.
@@GSBarlev Dell G5s.
The first computer I sued this scheme on was about ten years ago, I named it Mycroft.
What is your scheme?
@@PatriciaCrossWorks by Rimsky-Korsakov-Scheherazade was my first laptop. I also had Sadko, Dubinushka, May Night, Christmas Eve and-my favorite-Snow Maiden: a "restomodded" all-white iMac G4.
CABAL for mine. Including startup sounds cribbed from Tiberian Sun.
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I remember a fast-learning robot creation 'ascending' in the Justice League Animated series.
17:56 YES YES YES That's ALL I could think of when I saw that grappler pin Tendi to the wall - O'Neill getting scewered by that thing in SG-1.
It's made itself an official stand alone star trek series not just a fan's wet dream.... It references prior episodes and plots that made me want to watch the earlier seasons again. Genius but also obviously what us trekies love!
Did Sean miss that the badgeys split into a gold, silver snd bronze badge similar to Discovery style deltas/uniforms??
That's a down
Tendi enjoying the sand brings me immeasurable joy
Agimus getting out of prison and going to meet Peanut Hamper on the beach was like Red going to meet Andy at the end of The Shawshank Redemption.
Other options for who's taking the ships include collectors (like TNG's "The Most Toys,") or some kind of menagerie thing (although we already had something like that recently.)
I'd say Badgey's split is an homage to TOS's "The Enemy Within."
Mystery ship is definitely from the Mirror Universe. Looks like a huge TOS Agonizer. And I think they're mining the Shatnerverse novels since the ships aren't being destroyed, but stolen. They're going to be replaced with their MU counterparts. Now for the pilot it either has to be Boimler's section 31 duplicate, or go with me here, Emperor Tiberius
9:54 The "Mona Lisa Glint" in an Irish gentleman's eye! Bravo for keeping it classy.
I told Jessie Gender that I was looking forward to your translation of the Binar dialogue. Please don't disappoint me.😁
Tendi loving the sand so much she took some with her is my favorite moment from this episode.
Interrogation Scene reminded me also of the Blade Runner interrogation scene.
The short trek music jazz thing with Riker and Sulu is epic.
Badgey's frightening detailed psycho shot is my new wallpaper LMAO
A blue glowing badgey leaving our universe to go to another one and create new life is totally a reference to the Watchmen comic book and Doctor Manhattan
The "it's trying to salvage youuuuu" line seemed like a Yakov Smirnoff reference.
No mention of Root beer break comment? I loved it.
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one that thought of Stargate when the grappler pinned Tendi to the wall, excellent callout 😊
Badgey rising out of the galaxy seemed like a reference to End of Evangelion, when the giant Rei comes out of Terminal Dogma.
it made me think of Ultron in What-IF (which in turn i think was meant to be a Galactus reference)
Jack McBrayer as Badgey is THE BEST.
You once again missed the reference in the title. The title is a reference to the sequel of "A Fistful of Dollars" called "For a Few Dollars More" which means that "A Few Badgeys More" is also a reference to "A Fistful of Datas". I thought this episode was just ok but it did have its moments.
16:42 this could mean the Klingons from "Wej Duj" could still be alive! I hope so as it was a bummer that we didn't get more screen time with them.
“If you didn’t actually become an omniscient god, you have to tell us!” might have been the funniest line this season.
I love Peanut Hamper lol. The episode about her on the bird planet was so over the top and hilarious. Omgosh I loved it. I loved her reactions to the bird people like when the kid gives her a stick, and she’s like oh great, a dirty stick. Lolllll
I have to agree with Sean about Peanut Hamper.
I think it's the name.
"Peanut Hamper" just seems so creepy to me.
Sean banging that “reused story beats” drum with the “Data vs Lore” connection, but what I saw when Badgie split was a shout out to Red vs Blue!
The references that I saw or better to say "references that I heard" where:
1- One of the computers made the R2-D2 sound during the movie with the dog.
2- The music played every time they show the Dystrom Institute is the same one used in the Simpsons for Sideshow Bob
16:55 OMGOSH I thought the same exact thing and was rolling my eyes at the prospect of PAKLEDS being smart enough to pull something like that 😂
Dude! Props for the SG-1 shout-out. I totally missed that one.
The Black Mountain has got to be one of my favourite recurring jokes 😆
I had the exact same thought about Stargate, I'm so glad it wasn't just me 😆
I was good with the multiple Badgeys. It wasn't especially similar to Data & Lore, and someone having to deal with aspects of themselves personified is enough of a standard trope that it didn't really stick out to me as being "oh this again". If anything, I think I liked that it sort of mirrored Rutherford's own experience with himself. Sort of. 👀
The whole quadrant thing has bugged me for a while. If you get away from the Alpha/Beta/Delta/Gamma galaxy split thing, then "the only ship in the quadrant" makes sense when you consider that maritime navigation splits bodies of water into smaller, four-sided areas of different size and shapes in order to assist in location identification. Although, technically, for a starship a quadrant would have to be a hextant (or more!) because of the third dimension.
My issue with proximity stuff this episode was that Cerritos was the closest ship to Bynars, yet they were close enough to Earth to send a shuttle to it. I would expect more appropriate ships to be present near Earth.
I don’t think Star Trek formally defined the word quadrant until well into the TNG era. The TOS writers were just using it as a nonspecific term for a region of space. And yeah, the tendency of Star Trek to have characters shuttling around the Federation like it’s a Sunday afternoon trip to the country has always bothered me. I’m willing to give Lower Decks a pass but some other shows have really overdone it.
Whoa!!! Just in time. I just watched the episode before watching this.
I saw that Star Wars sand reference! 😂
The ships and stations becoming glowing outlines when taken over by Badgey looks like a TRON reference.
Don’t know if it was an intentional nod to Stat Wars, but the whole red light bad/blue light good idea
I immediately thought “Ok, so Agimus is a Sith, good to know” myself!
Budgie going at speed 9.9- (transfering himself into 10) in order "to be everywhere & everytime at once" - Voyager reference right there.
Up 12: I think it's funny how Boimler kind of breaks the fourth wall by addressing the typical Star Trek trope of solving a story in an hour.
Not gonna lie, the Agimus/Boimler storyline is basically Trek doing Silence of the Lambs
Lmbo...I fricken love the "sand" explanation and that look you give.
Peanut Hamper is a delight. I stand by that.
thats it! I now find myself having to watch ups and downs after every episode. just like listening to friends and having the laugh after. thanks Sean.
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One cetacean observation you might have included is the splitting of Badgey into Badgey and Goodey, so reminiscent of Kirk's split into Good and Bad Kirk in the early TOS episode, "The Enemy Within."
Loving the LV-426 shirt Sean.
Sure this is common knowledge amongst Trekkers of the otaku stripe but the exocomps are a straight up homage to Namo from the anime TV series Dirty Pair.
Also hash tag "saved" Prodigy? Not as hooked up to the news as I once ŵas but does the apparently added D to saveprodigy mean operation successful?
Prodigy got picked up by Netflix. Season 1 will be available toward the end of the year, and season 2 will be coming next year.
Loved this episode, really liked the way Badgy's storyline subverted the set up brilliantly but are we just going to ignore that this is the 3rd or arguably 4th time the inter connectedness of all of Starfleet ships and bases has been used as a plot point to create the threat in a story? It's been done at this point. I like what they did with it here but a well done well worn trope it still a well worn trope.
This is my favourite Star Trek series and the crossover with Strange New Worlds WAS GENIUS!
I don't think this was mentioned so I will bring it up:
The title of this LD episode is most likely a reference to the classic Clint Eastwood western: For A Few Dollars More.
It was part of the "Dollars" trilogy, A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, and last but certainly not least, and probably most well known, The Good The Bad and the Ugly.
STTNG did a homage with the episode A Fistful of Datas (6x08).
I really enjoyed this episode. It was fun and I really enjoyed and could buy into or megalomaniacal AIs redemption arcs. I also appreciated Rutherford taking ownership and responsibility for what he did that hurt Badgey and trying to make it right- but also Logicy pointing out that, yea he made mistakes, but that Badgey also is as an autonomous individual responsible at the end of the day for his choices, and that Rutherford can’t blame himself for what he’s doing. Just a really good episode. And my money’s been on William Boimler and Section 31 as our bad guys so my theory isn’t over… yet.
Another great video, thanks Sean. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
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