What is a Ribbon Burner?

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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Комментарии • 303

  • @erikkayV
    @erikkayV 6 лет назад +86

    I hate just contributing to the echo chamber but damn, this is such a great channel.

  • @mbrunson1985
    @mbrunson1985 5 лет назад

    Would this work well for an NG forge?

    • @essentialcraftsman
      @essentialcraftsman  5 лет назад

      Yessir

    • @chuckbailey7200
      @chuckbailey7200 4 года назад +1

      @@essentialcraftsman I want to use NG, and understand that the average residential gas meter system in the USA usually produces less than 1% pressure. (This is unlike propane, which is a regulated system allowing you to move the gas pressure in your forge from 7 lbs down to 2 lbs). But I've been told that using NG for a ribbon burner is still doable, but you need a longer mixing chamber, and you want to be able to focus on and design around "volume", not pressure. Am I correct? Which leads to my main question; when a NG line comes into the mixing chamber, what should be the diameter of the orifice? Your propane system uses a welding tip with a small opening because it is pressurized. But if a NG system works on volume, does it even need an orifice when entering the mixing system?

  • @karenanderson6362
    @karenanderson6362 4 года назад +9

    Hi I'm Bill , Karens other half, she has the youtube script not me. I'm commenting today on behalf of Ron Wailes, you mentioned his name and it left a big hole in my heart. I met Ron when he came into my shop one day walked up and introduced him self and checked out my shop and noticed I had an ironworker and a lot of left over material in the bone yard and wanted to know if I wanted to part with some of it and he proceeded to tell me what he planned on doing with it, he said he wanted to start making forges and rite there he had my attention, I had everything he needed in my bone yard to make several forges and I told him that if you build me a forge you have free range in my bone yard and the ironworker to punch out the parts , I did a lot of the welding for him because he thought my welds were much prettier than his lol. From that day on Ron and I formed a small bond, he would pop in the shop unannounced most of the the time anyway he was a welcome site most of the time, taught me a lot. The reason I'm on this channel is I still have Ron's forge and the ribbon burner is wore out ( the refractory) and I wanted to find out how to rebuild it and noticed you had the same ribbon burner so I clicked on your video and low and behold you blurted Ron's name, caught me off guard a little bit. Nice to know Ron lives on! Just wanted to share. RIP Ron Wailes! THANK YOU!

  • @cuankorsten
    @cuankorsten 6 лет назад +102

    I've noticed that you don't "um", "ah" or "err" much, if at all, when you speak. Very eloquent.

    • @andrewkotula9975
      @andrewkotula9975 6 лет назад +15

      That is a sign of someone who knows and is passionate about the topic. He does not have to search for the words. They just come to him. I can listen to him speak all day long and I have learned something from every video.

    • @29ginad
      @29ginad 6 лет назад

      ,

    • @cybertree
      @cybertree 4 года назад +3

      @SEMPER PROGRATIS Of course this is merely an asinine comment pertaining to satire; but you can, in fact, turn "Caps Lock" on and off sir. But yes this gentleman is quite the intelligent person.

  • @DeliveryMcGee
    @DeliveryMcGee 6 лет назад +124

    It is "molecules" of oxygen -- the form that's useful for breathing and burning is two oxygen atoms stuck together, and they'd rather be stuck to one or two atoms of carbon or two of hydrogen (releasing a bit of energy in the transition, which is what powers our bodies and our forges). Hydrogen and nitrogen are the same way, in that the pure gas is paired atoms (and nitrogen REALLY WANTS to be N2, that's why nitrogen-based explosives work so well.)

    • @johncox6794
      @johncox6794 6 лет назад +8

      Delivery McGee diatomic elements

    • @electronpusher604
      @electronpusher604 6 лет назад +6

      Well explained. I was about to make a similar comment. *I'm work in and have gone to college for chemistry.

    • @MD-cd7em
      @MD-cd7em 6 лет назад +2

      THANKYOU GENTILEMEN FOR YOUR INPUT.....

    • @repalmore
      @repalmore 6 лет назад

      Ye, what he said;0)

    • @PetervanderKruys
      @PetervanderKruys 6 лет назад

      Electron Pusher Me too, I'm a chemical engineer and these things trigger me (because I know them)

  • @phanto4
    @phanto4 6 лет назад +19

    Dear sir, I want to thank you for your awesome channel. I was turned onto your channel by AvE. You two have taught me a lot of tricks to make my daily work so much easier and faster. Many thanks.

  • @jakes.1199
    @jakes.1199 6 лет назад +29

    I want more spec house videos! (all your videos are great, but I love the construction ones the most)

  • @OldHickoryForge
    @OldHickoryForge 6 лет назад +8

    What blower do you use?

  • @Dejoblue
    @Dejoblue 6 лет назад +4

    You are such a great communicator! I am not in the construction or smithing industry but you keep me engaged and what you say makes sense and is educational. This is old school, how PBS and Discovery Channel used to be. Great stuff!

  • @user-zp5vt1tu6b
    @user-zp5vt1tu6b 6 лет назад +10

    Im a pool guy. I wonder if you could use the burning tray from a propane pool heater. If you ever see one out for garbage 90% of the time it's the heat exchanger that breaks because of poor water chemistry, so the burner tray should still be intact.

    • @jimzivny1554
      @jimzivny1554 6 лет назад +1

      Kevin Stempien I'm not familiar with those heaters, is the metal resistant enough to the high temps?

    • @TheUserid82
      @TheUserid82 6 лет назад +5

      Most burners are made to go under what they are heating so not good at being in the heat. They will ether get soft from the heat or oxidize rapidly so need to be replaced often.

  • @craigmellott6339
    @craigmellott6339 5 лет назад +3

    Scott thanks for everything you share, I hate when the public is critical your just offering some general advice or opinions to help people maybe have the courage to try something that’s maybe not in there comfort level. Keep it up sir !!!!!!!!

  • @splashstrike
    @splashstrike 6 лет назад +8

    "and you're going to build a forge and it's going to work"
    I am?

    • @Joetechlincolns
      @Joetechlincolns 6 лет назад

      splashstrike LOL

    • @KE6GMZ
      @KE6GMZ 4 года назад +2

      Yes, it is inevitable. Resistance is futile.

  • @G19amc
    @G19amc 4 года назад +1

    I know the video is a couple years old and you might not respond. The air pipe from the blower? It seems as if you stick it into the pipe on the ribbon burner. On your web site it says it a 1 7/8 pipe, so does that mean you are just using a 1 7/8 pipe for the air plumbing? Is it exhaust pipe?

  • @jkunderwood3291
    @jkunderwood3291 6 лет назад +6

    I’ll never have a forge. Well 97% sure but I still enjoyed every bit of the video. Scott you are an amazing teacher.

    • @srl413
      @srl413 6 лет назад +1

      Justin Underwood its not hard to make a char coal forge cheap. Start with that and save up for the forge you want like i am besides you appreciate things more when you build them

  • @curtwhite876
    @curtwhite876 6 лет назад +4

    I like your thoughts in this one. Trial and error does work. Build it, identify inefficiencies, improve design, rebuild and so on.

  • @TheNewton
    @TheNewton 6 лет назад +6

    2:11 "make a damascus burke" bar is what i heard

  • @christianbuzio9468
    @christianbuzio9468 6 лет назад +3

    Sometimes u remember me Efesto....but with american accent ;)
    and as gods astonished ancient humans, u astonish "video humans" with ur knowledge...thanks for sharing...as Gods never did btw, may be they need a UTube Channel tool :). With a lot of respect from Italy Happy Christmas Sir

  • @danielrose1392
    @danielrose1392 5 лет назад +1

    Having an inefficient burner is a loosing battle. The more propane and air you push in to increase the temperature, the more hot air has to leave the furnace somewhere.

  • @SmallDisturbedChild
    @SmallDisturbedChild 6 лет назад +3

    I wanted to say thank you for the knowledge you impart. I've worked in IT for the past 11 years and have always wanted to go back to a hobby that had me working with my hands.
    I've done some basic woodworking but I've always loved the idea of blacksmithing/welding from watching my friends father as a kid. After watching your videos and those of Rowan Taylor, I'd been discussing the topic with my wife, who has encouraged me to finally give it a shot by surprising me with a weekend long set of lessons close to where I live as a very early birthday present. If I find I really do enjoy the hobby I'd love to be able to pick your brain on building a forge someday. Thank you for your fantastic channel.

  • @charlesbrown2527
    @charlesbrown2527 6 лет назад +4

    Hi, not going into the maths, but the flame chemistry tells a story. That big purple flame at 4:17, downstream of the blue cones, shows there's lots of carbon monoxide coming off that propane/air mixture. Needs more air moving more slowly (to keep the flames on the block). Gas flames ideally should be bright blue cones only.
    The grey cloud near your ceiling might just be condensed steam from combustion or mixed with incompletely burned soot, but it being there suggests your workshop needs more ventilation. Carbon monoxide poisoning is extremely nasty, even when it's not fatal it causes generalised damage across all brain functions.
    Great videos, please stay safe, we want lots more of them.

    • @mikepettengill2706
      @mikepettengill2706 6 лет назад +1

      So what would be the solution Charles? More burners staged and introduced as needed to burn the fuel efficiently or just more that are always in play and just not getting the fuel air mixture due to lower pressure? Isn't there a chance of the combustion moving back up the supply line at the lower pressures ? Or at least into the burners if there are more connected than there is fuel air mix to burn?

  • @brandoncox7460
    @brandoncox7460 6 лет назад +15

    YES this means it's starting to get rainy and cold out there and it's time to get some blacksmithing going lol, I love all the different aspects of the channel but the blacksmithing is by far my favorite! Thanks for taking the time to share some of your vast knowledge as a craftsman with us.

  • @parintele-
    @parintele- 5 лет назад +4

    Pressure of the gas IS irrelevant in forced air burners.
    The regulator may indicate 0.1 psi and still you may pass thru it a very large amount of fuel.
    In venturi systems, you need the speed of the gas in order to draw air...you need speed so you need pressure builp behind the pinhole in order to work.
    But the amount of gas injected depends of the diameter of the pinhole...thru a small hole less gas ,large hole more gas ..for the same pressure/speed of the gas jet.
    By a needle of a syringe you have speed at the one end on the needle and tou have pressure inside the cylinder... still in 1 minute you inject 10 ml of liquid...from an open bottle you may inject 10 liters or liquid in 1 minute.
    Efficiency of the forced air systems comes from totally different thing, not psi .
    When you mix enough air for the amountnof fuel,the oxidation takes place at the muzzle of the burner.
    With venturi sistems is very hard to proper acieve the perfect numbers for a perrfect carburation.
    You need a certain speed of the gas flow thru pinhole,that speed must be correlated with air absorbtion holes( diameter, position) AND the pinhole diameter cause larger hole for the same speed means ore fuel so need for.more air...diameter of the pipe is also important....
    Then the gases must be perfectly mixed before they get out...you can not mix them inside the system without slowing down the flux of gases ,that would interfere with airdraw thru venturi zone of the system...
    Is not easy to reach that ballance of those variables...once you modify one of them,all the rest need to be modified...there is a small interval which keeps the system relatively efficient but ...
    By not having enough oxigen the fuel burns outside the forge(flames)...heat is lost, you heat the room not the insider of the forge.
    In forced air systems, you can tune the quantity of gas and air and very easy you can produce perfect mixture.the burning takes places at the muzzle of the burner,all the heat is produced inside the forge.
    So psi is irrelevant in forced gaz systems and this system is just more flexible,you can tune the mixture as you wish not as you are aloowed by pile diameter,holes and pressures of gas.
    BUT a well tuned venturi can be as efficent while a forced air if badly set can be very bad in terms of efficiency.
    It is all about tuning the parameters involved for a perfect carburation.

    • @FOGGYFOO
      @FOGGYFOO 5 лет назад +1

      Hi you seem to know your stuff. I have a question you might be able to answer if you have time. I've seen forced air ribbon burners like the one in this video with a cast refractory inside box section steel. I've also seen forced air running through just a 2 inch black iron fitting with a plate welded on the end and drilled. My question is could you do the same with box section steel but without the castable inserted. I'm thinking as the heat is only at the holes the steel won't over heat of it was say a 6mm plate welded on to the side of the box and drilled. Thanks in advance if you are able to help. I'm going to build a forced air burner and might experiment with burner heads.

    • @parintele-
      @parintele- 5 лет назад +1

      @@FOGGYFOODear Liam, it will be a pleasure to share of my experience.
      I just have to say it is more than one sentence answer and there are few more things to talk about in order to make a functional burner.
      As here, on this channel, the design is different enough, I would preffer to "Move" this discussion on my video with my burner, it wouldbe easier for me to reffer to that ribbon type and to follow notifications.
      ruclips.net/video/eHk_IIm4-Dc/видео.html
      I would like to appologise to the owner of this channel for this, is not my desire to "steal" viewers from this channel or anything like this, also I would like to thank for this video which helped me a lot to make my own with the parts I have been able to find and manufacture.
      If there is a problem i posted the link of my vid here please tell me, I repeat I have no intention to upset anyone, just help others and maybe improve my own design.
      Regards, Liviu E.

  • @AnthonyBate
    @AnthonyBate 6 лет назад +3

    Scott, you mentioned the burner likes some back pressure to get the flames to sit back onto the burner.
    Is it possible to slightly reduce the speed of the forced draught fan? This flame lifting effect you mention is normally too lean a gas/air mixture.

  • @cntslesfabrication
    @cntslesfabrication 5 лет назад +2

    The way your ribbon works is similar to a hot air balloon burner. The difference between the 2 of them is the hot air balloon burner draws the propane from the bottom of the tank in liquid form which creates 15 million BTUs on the smaller hot air balloons and up to 30 million BTUs for the bigger hot air balloons. As soon as the hot air balloon ride is over and you turn the propane off you can touch the burners and not get burned at all. Which is extremely important because if the pilot has to land in high winds over 10mph he can put the parachute out of the top of the balloon and lay it on it's side which can burn the rip stop material that all balloons are made out of. A normal flight in Las Vegas in the middle of the summer we can fly 10 passengers not including the pilot and propane on board and use less than 75 gallons of propane for 1 hour to 1½ hour flight, but we have 100 gallons of propane on board for each flight.

  • @strelokzone89
    @strelokzone89 4 года назад +4

    For a while I’ve considered designing a burner after the “ linear arrow spike” rocket engine for the exact benefits that this much more simple design dose to evenly heat a blade.
    Proof that I over think simple problems :)

    • @cybertree
      @cybertree 4 года назад +1

      If you ever make that happen brother, shoot me a comment man.

    • @Skinflaps_Meatslapper
      @Skinflaps_Meatslapper 3 года назад

      I'm not entirely sure what that would accomplish though, you're not trying to prevent the flame from expanding without thrust in a vacuum, you've got all the pressure you could ever ask for within an enclosed forge at one atmo. Notice that the ribbon burner doesn't do as well outside the forge as it does inside with some back pressure. The best it would do is to concentrate the flame in a line, which a ribbon already accomplishes in a diffuse manner (diffuse being preferable to concentrated) but then you've also got the problem of the aerospike body heating up without any means of active cooling (which is one reason why aerospikes aren't used in rockets). I mean, you're basically making a ribbon burner with extra steps and more complex problems. It wouldn't solve anything beyond a "look what I did" project.

  • @TheChipmunk2008
    @TheChipmunk2008 6 лет назад +5

    Merry Christmas to you and yours sir, and thank you for the videos :)

  • @DirtmonkeyTactical
    @DirtmonkeyTactical 5 лет назад +3

    Thank you. You are salt on this earth. I learn so much about basic human interaction from watching your channel. I wish that I lived closer to you. I feel like you would make a terrific host.

    • @coreyg7364
      @coreyg7364 3 года назад

      Salt on the Earth is not a good thing...

  • @erkkalaakso1676
    @erkkalaakso1676 6 лет назад +3

    I discovered your channel about a week ago and I just gotta say I admire your level of knowledge, craftsmanship and the spreading of safety awareness. Keep up the good work!

  • @gtrmanagement292
    @gtrmanagement292 6 лет назад +2

    The fact that i appreciate your videos makes me feel better about myself, and let's me know I'm not alone.Out of all the carpenters and craftsmen on YT, you've got the touch. You have the grandpa doing EVERYTHING right, with tricks etc. and think through EVERY single process in the chain. I can't stand working with most people, at least in Ca-Land of the Lazy. They end up working harder because they don't think things through and roll their eyes when a guy like you lays down the tech instead of learning. You're probably way better than me at inspiring better work out of your crews when doing big jobs too. When you're all 'younger' dudes banging out work, there's always some weird alpha pecking order BS with where everyone has to prove they're a 'bad-ass'. I love working with guys like this. You seem like good people.

  • @1981FlyingV
    @1981FlyingV 4 года назад +2

    Thank you for the information. I've been researching forced air propane forges because I knew it would be more efficient.

  • @arkansas1336
    @arkansas1336 6 лет назад +2

    Educational, thanks for the chemistry lesson.
    Nice looking live edge 'bench' siting in front of you.........show the whole slab?
    ....13

  • @scruffy6151
    @scruffy6151 6 лет назад +2

    Scott thank you for the information. This channel will help many people learn how to do things that other channel leave out never stop teaching you are good at it. Merry Christmas to you and your family. Best wishes John.

  • @danielcrawford7315
    @danielcrawford7315 6 лет назад +1

    +Essential Craftsmen, am just curious? What would you think would come of coating the surface of the burner with ITC100? Would it help w tye refractory of the castable and keep the heating down to a minimum while perhaps minutely aiding in the forge itself?
    Just a rank rookie looking at options for building his first forge/foundry.
    Blessed day sirSir, Crawford out.

  • @tomuchfunwithgas846
    @tomuchfunwithgas846 6 лет назад +1

    End of video think Irish Wraith.Iron spirits moving around on their own to make whatever they want.

  • @irondiver292
    @irondiver292 6 лет назад +1

    I bust your chops on your DieHards and Channelock Wire Pliers, but I must admit. You are one articulate,well-rounded dude.

  • @killerkane1957
    @killerkane1957 6 лет назад +3

    You can make them with crayons for the holes. But I’d rather not. Been thinking of going to a ribbon for quite some time now. Coal for years, finally gas, now evolve to a ribbon burner. I’ll go online to ask.

    • @jsainz
      @jsainz 6 лет назад

      KillerKane I’ve been posting on iforgeiron.com about using hot glue sticks for the burner ports.

  • @moweber
    @moweber 6 лет назад +1

    Would I be able to use a forge like yours to not only do blacksmith work, but also to do a some precious metal refining and/or make Al or Cu ingots for fabricating custom parts? And would ribbon burners also be useful in smelting/baking furnaces?

  • @Lmlil
    @Lmlil 6 лет назад +1

    One of the things I have learned studying and building forges is that you can make a forge out of almost anything. Anything from the classic brake drum to a hole in the ground can be a forge. Even a green tree stump, if it has enough mass, will do the trick... once.

  • @bryanancy
    @bryanancy 6 лет назад +1

    Dear EC, I am getting into blacksmithing and gathering information on how to make a ribbon burner. How did you make the lower portion of your burner. The part that looks like a fire brick. Your blower motors are from where? Did you use a MIG tip for your nozzle. You run off of propane. I wonder if it would get hot enough using natural gas. Great information and love to watch to gain more knowledge. Thanks again.

  • @Mixwell1983
    @Mixwell1983 6 лет назад +1

    Hey EC you mention old timers who have come and gone and I wonder how much knowledge they could have expelled on youtube to keep their technique alive. I think of my grandfather who was 82 when he passed in 2011 but think about if i could have documented him showing some techniques and trade secrets.. Not sayong youre ancient but some of those lost skills and know how die with the person and something like youtube would be a great way to keep that knowledge available.

  • @tpobrienjr
    @tpobrienjr 6 лет назад +1

    OK, I will join the nitpicking: Pressure is measured in Pounds per Square Inch (PSI), as shown on the gauge. Force is measured in Pounds. But the video is very informative - thanks!

  • @jllaine
    @jllaine 6 лет назад +1

    If I can make an observation - the base of the blue flames is too far from the ports, suggesting the flow rate of the combustible fuel-air mix is moving much faster than the chain reaction of combustion, until it has slowed down enough after leaving the port, Similar to blowing out an oil well fire with explosives, dissipating the fuel+O2 faster than the chain reaction can sustain. the base of the flames should have a just barely discernible gap from the port. turning down the forced air and/or adding more ports to the burner should fix that.

  • @piercer4882
    @piercer4882 6 лет назад +1

    Calorific value (btu per cubic ft)
    Propane - 2500
    Natural gas - 1000
    That's according to a ANSI standard. However it changes all the time and will be different every time u have a tank filled

  • @Steelandbrass
    @Steelandbrass 6 лет назад +1

    I wish I could spend a summer mentoring under you, I feel like I would learn a lot.

  • @CPUDOCTHE1
    @CPUDOCTHE1 6 лет назад +1

    Obviously the pressure is irrelevant unless you state the orifice size. There are published tables of well known data listing LPG pressure vs orifice size vs BTU per hour.

  • @leocurious9919
    @leocurious9919 6 лет назад +1

    The math is not that hard, you will be able to do it.
    As soon as you know the amount of fuel going in the hardest part is over. The rest is just... how big is the surface area? How much energy is there per amount of the fuel? And for the R-value (thermal resistance) you need the temperature in the ofen as well as outside in the shop, easy to get with a thermocouple. If you or anyone else is interested (and reads this...) just drop a line and we can dig deeper.

  • @ObsequiousV4
    @ObsequiousV4 6 лет назад +1

    great info. Thanks!

  • @noellwilson1273
    @noellwilson1273 6 лет назад +1

    I can’t clearly see your piping arrangement but it looks like you have an open pipe from the air blower with no control valve and a regulator on the propane. If so, your 2 lb setting will tend to run lean and your 7 lb setting will tend to run rich. The video of the burner outside the forge shows a yellow flame extending past the short blue flames. That’s a rich flame. ( I realize that it will burn differently inside the forge.)
    I’d recommend that, at a minimum, you have controls on the air and the gas so you can adjust for a “ perfect” flame by eye.
    If you need to change firing rates often, and if fuel costs and time are important, the ideal setup would be control of the air with a pressure line after the air valve going to a gas regulator. That way you could control the firing rate and the gas would “follow” the air and keep a reasonably ideal flame.

  • @rydubb5190
    @rydubb5190 6 лет назад +1

    I have a dual burner and single burner forge that I run at 7 psi as well!!! Mine are atmospheric burners that seem to be quite efficient. My single burner will run around 4.5-5 hours on a 20 # tank @ 6-7 psi. Seems anything past 7 psi is a waste of fuel and doesn't get any hotter. Your MONSTER forge is a beauty!!!

  • @alexf2349
    @alexf2349 5 лет назад +1

    22,000 btu/L of propane... get a make up air fan and interlock it for the fumes in that nice shop.

  • @daviddrinen1265
    @daviddrinen1265 6 лет назад +2

    thank you for showing I am very interested please tell me how is it mounted on the forge. is it mounted with expansion room around it or mounted tight no gaps do you make it bracketed on the out side or inside could you please show or tell. thank you again Dave

  • @jaypearce6743
    @jaypearce6743 6 лет назад +1

    Can the hot exhaust be recycled via a turbo curcuit? I keep seeing furnaces and thinking how much heat is being lost to the environment and I keep imagining ways to reduce the loss and electric is the simplest way

  • @Grakoham
    @Grakoham 6 лет назад +1

    Is the skil brand the same as skilsaw? You talk so highly of your skilsaw circular saw but I have heard skil is a cheap brand and their other tools aren’t a very good quality. Can you enlighten me on what is fact and what is fiction?

  • @w.crumbladesmith5020
    @w.crumbladesmith5020 4 года назад +1

    Great video! Workin on my ribbon burner now, got it set in the casting mold yesterday. Now we wait!

  • @lenblacksmith8559
    @lenblacksmith8559 6 лет назад +1

    That was very informative and thank you, I would like to see how to make a ribbon burner, and could you use one for a single burn forge?

  • @DazzlinDave67
    @DazzlinDave67 3 года назад +1

    Ron Reil was the inspiration of all of my forge builds. He was a giant of a man. I never knew him or had any interaction, but I'm so grateful of such an artist to so willingly share all of his wisdom!

  • @thatmountain
    @thatmountain 6 лет назад +1

    One the most informative and well hosted shows anywhere. Glad i found this channel early this summer. Great man, great show.

  • @TheJiminiflix
    @TheJiminiflix 5 лет назад +1

    You should be in radio.

  • @StonemanRocks
    @StonemanRocks 3 месяца назад

    Just curious if you are familiar with the gentlemen from here in New Mexico that had an actual school that taught blacksmithing? They were known all over the world for their abilities and school apparently! Their shop was out in the mountains next to I-40! Tragically they were killed when a semi truck ran off the road and crashed through the shop! Was a terrible sad story but they were cutting edge blacksmiths! Edit: I see from further reading in your comments that you actually did know the guy I was referring to! I didnt know him personally but I live in the same area , and, the story really touched my heart! He sounded like a great person and a great contributor to a better world! Life truly isnt fair sometimes when the world loses someone like that! My heart goes out to his family and friends!

  • @jdog4534
    @jdog4534 6 лет назад +1

    What's all this at the end of the video? Looks like someone needs to call Ghostbusters..,;^p

  • @nicholasricchiuto8923
    @nicholasricchiuto8923 2 года назад

    Scott, how essential is it to use refractory in the head? If I were to thread say 20 or so 1/4” NPT small nipples into a piece of box tubing, almost how mig tips are used in Venturi designs, could that work instead?
    Could you get away from casting or drilling refractory on the head?
    I’m basically using the mig-tip method but with a much larger orifice.

  • @althesmith
    @althesmith 3 года назад

    What length would be suitable for a forge 16" long and 5-6" dia. internal chamber (round forge body 10" with about 2" insulation all round) assuming a lot of the work done would be forge-welding billets?

  • @dino4941
    @dino4941 6 лет назад +1

    I need to get a property with a small forest on it for my older days. where I can put up my own workshop too :D

  • @Bowtie41
    @Bowtie41 5 лет назад

    When I scrapped an old furnace,it had 3 burner bars that look a LOT like that burner.Gonna hafta do some tests.Good thing I never throw anything away,lol ;-)

  • @cannibalholocaust3015
    @cannibalholocaust3015 2 года назад

    Could you scale it down for running a bbq? Or domestic pizza oven? My family were amateur blacksmiths years ago, farmers who had rudimentary stove to do minor repairs and make horseshoes.

  • @johnjude2685
    @johnjude2685 5 лет назад

    I am.starting my building of a ribbon burner , question.... what shutoff valve is recommended to shut off the.propane if blower fails for safety?

  • @MichaelJeffers75
    @MichaelJeffers75 2 года назад

    I'm building an asphalt heater, cept there's no info on the web about making these, so I hope to apply these principals to that application. Instead of a refractory brick with through holes, the refractory will be some ceramic fiber (kaowool) sandwiched between stainless steel wire mesh. It's my hope that I can mount this refractory sandwich in a metal box to create that mixing zone behind the refractory and ignite the air/gas as it leaches through. If that works, I will be all smiles!

  • @ShopperPlug
    @ShopperPlug 3 года назад

    can this be used for a brick pizza oven to reach at 1,000F? Is the ribbon burner safe to be used when baking food? Any toxic compositions?

  • @Beanpapac15
    @Beanpapac15 6 лет назад +3

    Would this still be viable, or worth it, for smaller forges?

    • @fisharmor
      @fisharmor 6 лет назад

      I've never wanted long heat in a small forge. I used a standard 4.5x9 firebrick for the entire floor of my current forge (plus 2" kaowool on the ends), which works like gangbusters for small work... and is also perfect for a single 3/4" venturi burner. Remember that if you want to get your ungloved hand anywhere within 8" or so of the mouth, you can't have flame all the way up to the opening. At the size I built I get a nice 3" circle of a hotspot that'll heat up half a dozen 1/2" bars just fine and it's not cooking me when it does it.
      Of course I'm also not expecting to be able to do one-shot baluster twists, and I'm not making swords either. At some point you have to scale up. When you do, the size of the forge goes up. Until then... well there's a reason why so many other people are using venturi burners. If your forge can't physically contain the heat of more than one venturi burner, then that's what you should use.

  • @pamelah6431
    @pamelah6431 3 года назад

    Might need to change the channel name (or at least your AOL SN) to HipShotForgeBuilder. ;)

  • @swankscabinet1625
    @swankscabinet1625 3 года назад

    How much propane do you use a day?? Like when do you have to change out a full bottle running your monster forge. I’ve seen the ribbon burners and would love a large forge like this, just never truly had a fuel efficiency idea of the ribbon burners.

  • @Betruul
    @Betruul 5 лет назад

    Ribobn Burners are GREAT! if your frge is going to be stationary and you have electricity to run some air pumps that is! but for a guy just doing little projects and just starting a venturi is pretty dang good. i can remove the pipe and set that aside and stow my forge when I am done... because I have to.

  • @kyletilling2786
    @kyletilling2786 2 года назад

    I know you're making sales based on this ribbon burner and man im not knocking it at all. Your price point is great and the product looks stout I was curious if you have considered maybe making a smaller one or a video explaining the build process of a smaller version. I want to build a forge but I don't want to spend a pile of money on propane or have a crazy loud forge and this has seriously peaked my interest I just think the burner you have here is likely overkill for what I need

  • @leoheppler4094
    @leoheppler4094 2 года назад

    looking for ways to introduce the propane into the forced air system. I do not have a mill or lathe so I have to buy OTC components. Any advice?

  • @bayareaartist999
    @bayareaartist999 2 года назад

    whatever you use for the tubes? "crayons"? they need to be reconfigured so the tips are flame retention tips and are cast in place. That will keep the flame on the face of the castable and not blow away. You start with larger crayons that then 1/4 inch from the opening has a ring that reduces down to the smaller crayon size, the opens back up to the larger size. Look up flame retention tips for furnaces and you will get the idea. This will keep the flame sucked onto the face of the burner and then will not allow the flame to blow off.

  • @jjbailey01
    @jjbailey01 6 лет назад +1

    Does this design do away with needing an insanely small hole drilled through metal?

  • @richardsargent113
    @richardsargent113 5 лет назад

    Looking at building a small mobile knife forge that will go from 4-6 in. Blades to Bowies. So I'm thinking two ribbon burners in a row incorporated in the top of the forge

  • @alphagrendel
    @alphagrendel 6 лет назад +1

    I used on of Ron's designs for my first forge. It's still running. Great little forge.

  • @craigmurrayauthor
    @craigmurrayauthor Год назад

    Funny how I could read/watch a dozen opinions on a subject, when I hear you, I believe it.

  • @nalurash2787
    @nalurash2787 6 лет назад +7

    Out of curiosity.....How many of you are building a forge?

    • @Finn-McCool
      @Finn-McCool 6 лет назад +8

      *raises hand (check my channel) it's painfully slow as a cripple on a fixed income. But it's worth it.

    • @nalurash2787
      @nalurash2787 6 лет назад +4

      That's awesome Eric! I hope your having fun making one. Take care and Happy Holidays

    • @jimzivny1554
      @jimzivny1554 6 лет назад +3

      Eric French That would be me!!! LOL 14 surgeries and two to come, some replacement parts and a few that don't work so well but I still get dirty sometimes.

    • @jimzivny1554
      @jimzivny1554 6 лет назад +2

      Nalu Rash I plan on starting a build in the spring and that ribbon burner looks perfect.

    • @fisharmor
      @fisharmor 6 лет назад +2

      Have built two. Small shop with a 7' 2x10 ceiling. Ron Reil-style venturi burner is pushing it far enough. ;)

  • @billwoehl3051
    @billwoehl3051 11 месяцев назад

    I see all kinds of ribbon builds, no one says how much air they need. How many CFM fan blower to buy.

  • @fredbecker607
    @fredbecker607 4 года назад

    Wonder if a smaller version would work for outdoor pizza oven? Definitely hot enough.

  • @nathanadams5722
    @nathanadams5722 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you so very much for all of the knowledge that you pass along to us!

  • @jessehannah2989
    @jessehannah2989 6 лет назад

    I am making a ribbon burner right now. Is there any reason you cant make the castable refractory portion of the burner all out of steel instead? Could it be an all steel construction and still work?

  • @kalleklp7291
    @kalleklp7291 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing your experience. It really helped me a lot. :)

  • @dogf4ther
    @dogf4ther 2 года назад

    mate you really need a side vent for your coal fire so it super sucks all smoke away
    the expansion of the smoke hast to happen in the flu not above your fire

  • @timothyb166
    @timothyb166 2 года назад

    Is it possible to make a smaller ribbon burner with holes in a straight pipe for a smaller forge?

  • @vivarun
    @vivarun 5 лет назад

    have you faced any flash back accidents before? The burner is not safe to operate as the holes are not designed for flash backs

  • @lenblacksmith8559
    @lenblacksmith8559 6 лет назад

    Do these burners need air assistance to work or just gas? What do you do for fitment from the gas into the burner?

  • @MattsAwesomeStuff
    @MattsAwesomeStuff 6 лет назад

    I know what some of you are thinking: "It's quiet? Who cares if it's quiet? Why would that matter? It's a blacksmith's shop not a library!" And right you are. It is a blacksmith's shop. A blacksmith's shop is only secondarily a machine that takes fuel and materials and converts them into projects. Its primary purpose is as a theatre for the music of hammer and anvil. Why would you want anything covering up the melodies of your ferrous symphony?

  • @Jago_Sevatarion_8th
    @Jago_Sevatarion_8th 4 года назад

    How many CFMs, and HP are the motor for your blower?

  • @harleyman314
    @harleyman314 3 года назад

    I wound love to build one of these. Thanks for all your video's

  • @ghostforge3303
    @ghostforge3303 5 лет назад

    What is the model and make of the blower you are using?

  • @stevecarlson5944
    @stevecarlson5944 6 лет назад

    Please contact me with information about your ribbon burner

  • @bc65925
    @bc65925 6 лет назад

    That is nice. That's why I have only coal fires, I spent enough time around jet engines in the USAF. I don't need all of that noise anymore.

  • @TheTylerAldrich
    @TheTylerAldrich 6 лет назад

    I'm building a prototype of a mini ribbon burner.

  • @JBF-GST-Tanda
    @JBF-GST-Tanda 7 месяцев назад

    Kinda similar to a commercial gas stove burner

  • @henkbarnard1553
    @henkbarnard1553 6 лет назад +30

    Dose it do pizza?

    • @CCWSig
      @CCWSig 6 лет назад +5

      henk Barnard he actual did a video on that. Less than a minute if I remember correctly

    • @irvinwittmeier5208
      @irvinwittmeier5208 6 лет назад +2

      henk Barnard yes

    • @newenglandyankeeliving5052
      @newenglandyankeeliving5052 6 лет назад +5

      Yeah lol they did a Pizza it was the typical men cooking for themselves bullshit that prevents my wife from allowing me to cook lol

    • @nemobla1
      @nemobla1 6 лет назад +2

      yeaaaa a pizza in about 1.5 seconds i would guess

    • @billwinter9206
      @billwinter9206 6 лет назад

      henk Barnard I'm sure it will, and damn fast too!!!

  • @RedDogForge
    @RedDogForge 3 года назад

    Anyone making these commercially?

  • @jimmybags32
    @jimmybags32 2 года назад

    I like this guy he’s like the mr.rogers of blacksmithing