The way I describe it is the brass gets work hardened just like if you bend steel back and forth enough it will break off. That's basically what happens to brass without relieving the stress in it by annealing.
In about a week or two, I am ordering one of these... I am slowly checking of the list of toys, one at a time.. And this one I really should have put higher on the list of toys to get, as I wanted one of these from the first time Elfster showcased it... One of these would get me away from the salt bath annealing that my grandfather gave me.. while it is getting exceptionally difficult to locate the salt (as it is considered a consumable). The closest location I can get the salt is Canada, at $90 a lbs, due to Canada's HazMat shipping costs... The other issue with salt, it is MESSY, and corrosive to steel. Don't get me wrong, I love how it anneals, it is fast, and even and predictable, but, it is time to take advantage of this great machine that EP Integrations ha put together to assist us in this sport. Plus, it'll help put food on his family's table, and his business partner's as well. (The quiet guy, lol). I almost about a year ago, purchased a different company's annealer, and it was just perfect timing when Elfster show cased this unit... $250 to $275 bucks for his unit.... VS... the one I almost bit the bullet on, $1900... WHAT!!!! Yes, it was the induction heater type, although clever, they are costly. My experiences with induction heating, or rather, heat treating and annealing on the industrial world, those machine work when they want to work, and fail often or cook off, due to the high speed fly-back transformer electronic that causes the high frequency reversing polarity (HFAC). Like wise, if the induction coils are not matched to the load, you wreck the outputs (pop the caps $$$). One thing most folks do not know about the induction coil heating systems, is that they are extremely power hungry ,and you electric bill will show you that. The old rule of thumb, power in, is power out. Induction heating or melting of alloys, serves its function, but, 3 to 5 hours dropping brass on a induction system, would raise my electric bill 20 bucks a month, as you are just about maxing out the 15 amp breaker with that system. Hence, why I will be getting this unit that uses LP gas. Now, These EP unit, I can run off of a multitude of gases. from the easiest to the worst case scenario. Please allow me to example. The easiest, is simply running to the store, buying a few LP disposable bottles, like what was shown in the videos. To buying the refill adapter that lets you refill the smaller throw away bottles from gas grill tank or the larger LP tanks for fork trucks. The worst case, as per, end of world times go, which is not (per say) the cheapest case, unless you already have the solar system installed, which is the HHO nitrogen generator gas touch, off of my solar panel system. If I can cut through 1/8" thick steel, It can for sure anneal brass with HHO gas. Those are of course, extreme scenario's, but that is just how I think.. Good luck, and I look forward to getting one of these units very shortly myself.
@@ElfstersRiflesandReloading Blue flame is too far back on K32. No used brass to test. Shell backplate was not aligned correctly. Maybe he should have looked at one of your RUclips videos first for the initial set up. You explained it the best so far.
For those that enjoy tinkering, there are videos of a gentleman in Australia that shows you how to build your own that has a reservoir that holds and feeds about 100 rounds and cost about $100-$125 to build . Takes a little bit of time to construct but was fun to build. Downside: Time consuming and is not nearly as adjustable to different calibers. Thanks Kotaboy for your videos.
AMAZING.. I finally did order it like 2 to 3 days ago, and it is SUNDAY, and 10 minutes ago, FEDEX delivered my EP Integrations Annealer. I was thinking it was gonna be like a week or two, maybe three.. This feels like a surprise birthday party.. Totally not expecting a new toy to show up..
There's also a cool DIY induction case annealer on YT. Roughly $225 USD. Guy gives Amazon links in the description. 50 cases in about 5 minutes. Timer adjustable to .01 second. I already have the Annealeez 2.0 but I just love gadgets.
I thought about picking up one of these, but got tired of waiting. Ended up with the Bench-Source and I absolutely love it. A good annealer is an excellent addition to any reloading kit. It really improves consistency. I used a drill and a torch for years.
The fella that started bench source has passed away. His wife is running the company……….Price increase is coming. I however bought the Ep annealer and am very happy. About half the price and very effective……Its your money so spend it how you want. I saved enough to buy a MDT Oryx chassis……Just sayn
I hate to do this to you but did you ever think of reading instructions and trying explain it? just like military task training like map reading mopp gear wearing etc etc...
Yes. Many times over. In my opinion there are too many variables in the Giraud. Flame temp (Even using Templaq) flame size and position and rotor speed. Seriously thinking of the AMP.
I've got the Giraud annealer, and while its very well made ...its a bitch to set up. After toasting more valuable brass than I care to admit I just gave up. It now sits in its box... Annealing seems more like an art than a science.
Im new to annealing. Is annealing for pistol cases worth it with this machine or is this better suited for rifle cases? I have a lot of 45 ACP cases and others that I want to keep loading for long as possible.
I have a few thousand I bought for 3 cents a piece. But after those are gone I might as well sell all my reloading equipment and get into scrapbooking.
Back in the old days when folks read books they knew that in order to anneal brass, it has to be quenched...if you want proof, look into doing case conversio,s, to properly understand annealing copper and brass... That looks like a cool tool, add water to the catch pan..
This guy truly is detrimental to the sale of this product. He admits he does not know what he is doing with this devise. Yes, he has no clue. ..... but it is a funny show to watch him make a fool of himself!
Perfect description. This is a more complicated and much more difficult to adjust version of the Annealeez which is almost the same price, can be loaded with up to 100 .308 cases at once and allows you to attach the propane tank and tuck it out of the way in the back.
Depends on the cases. Something low and slow with a thicker wall I wouldn't stress for longevity purposes. 308/7.62, that competes with something like 3006 in terms of pressure require a tighter firing chamber inside the case to build that pressure will wear that brass quicker. You'd be doing good to get 5-7 reloads with trimming as needed on a 3006, where as a 308/762 you'd be doing good to get 3-4 before the neck is so thin it splits. Another thing to mention is case head to body expansion. I use a flattened peice of wire turned with a 90° bend to the end to "scratch" the inner wall to feel for a lip. If it has a lip you might as well toss it, it's the head about to separate from the case body and you have one maybe two reloads before she's toast.
@@hunterromano5562 I reload 9mm, and 5.56. but I do colet all brass. Regardless if it's from one of my guns. Or even if it's not a caliber I don't reload or shoot.
I also hate reading directions! But please read them next time you want to show us something because this video was frustrating. Be well my brother from another mother.
Dude, how hard is it to do a dry run before you embarrass yourself on a video. Your stumbling around keeps me from wanting this contraption and trusting your judgement on reloading accessories. Check it out.
I was thinking the same thing. I had to stop watching because of all the fumbling around....especially after having watched the setup vid from EP Integrations themselves.
I just got mine last week. It works great. Super easy to use.
The way I describe it is the brass gets work hardened just like if you bend steel back and forth enough it will break off. That's basically what happens to brass without relieving the stress in it by annealing.
That's really nice machine. Once it's set up it looks very productive
In about a week or two, I am ordering one of these... I am slowly checking of the list of toys, one at a time.. And this one I really should have put higher on the list of toys to get, as I wanted one of these from the first time Elfster showcased it... One of these would get me away from the salt bath annealing that my grandfather gave me.. while it is getting exceptionally difficult to locate the salt (as it is considered a consumable). The closest location I can get the salt is Canada, at $90 a lbs, due to Canada's HazMat shipping costs... The other issue with salt, it is MESSY, and corrosive to steel. Don't get me wrong, I love how it anneals, it is fast, and even and predictable, but, it is time to take advantage of this great machine that EP Integrations ha put together to assist us in this sport. Plus, it'll help put food on his family's table, and his business partner's as well. (The quiet guy, lol). I almost about a year ago, purchased a different company's annealer, and it was just perfect timing when Elfster show cased this unit... $250 to $275 bucks for his unit.... VS... the one I almost bit the bullet on, $1900... WHAT!!!! Yes, it was the induction heater type, although clever, they are costly. My experiences with induction heating, or rather, heat treating and annealing on the industrial world, those machine work when they want to work, and fail often or cook off, due to the high speed fly-back transformer electronic that causes the high frequency reversing polarity (HFAC). Like wise, if the induction coils are not matched to the load, you wreck the outputs (pop the caps $$$). One thing most folks do not know about the induction coil heating systems, is that they are extremely power hungry ,and you electric bill will show you that. The old rule of thumb, power in, is power out. Induction heating or melting of alloys, serves its function, but, 3 to 5 hours dropping brass on a induction system, would raise my electric bill 20 bucks a month, as you are just about maxing out the 15 amp breaker with that system. Hence, why I will be getting this unit that uses LP gas.
Now, These EP unit, I can run off of a multitude of gases. from the easiest to the worst case scenario. Please allow me to example. The easiest, is simply running to the store, buying a few LP disposable bottles, like what was shown in the videos. To buying the refill adapter that lets you refill the smaller throw away bottles from gas grill tank or the larger LP tanks for fork trucks. The worst case, as per, end of world times go, which is not (per say) the cheapest case, unless you already have the solar system installed, which is the HHO nitrogen generator gas touch, off of my solar panel system. If I can cut through 1/8" thick steel, It can for sure anneal brass with HHO gas. Those are of course, extreme scenario's, but that is just how I think.. Good luck, and I look forward to getting one of these units very shortly myself.
Very nice explanation my friend! Thanks 👍
@@ElfstersRiflesandReloading Blue flame is too far back on K32. No used brass to test. Shell backplate was not aligned correctly. Maybe he should have looked at one of your RUclips videos first for the initial set up. You explained it the best so far.
For those that enjoy tinkering, there are videos of a gentleman in Australia that shows you how to build your own that has a reservoir that holds and feeds about 100 rounds and cost about $100-$125 to build .
Takes a little bit of time to construct but was fun to build.
Downside:
Time consuming and is not nearly as adjustable to different calibers.
Thanks Kotaboy for your videos.
I've always described it as through shooting and sizing the brass gets harder and brittle and annealing softens the brass providing a longer life...
Thanks for showing this cool machine.
AMAZING.. I finally did order it like 2 to 3 days ago, and it is SUNDAY, and 10 minutes ago, FEDEX delivered my EP Integrations Annealer. I was thinking it was gonna be like a week or two, maybe three.. This feels like a surprise birthday party.. Totally not expecting a new toy to show up..
This annealer works great. I have never done this befor but it’s easy.
There's also a cool DIY induction case annealer on YT. Roughly $225 USD. Guy gives Amazon links in the description. 50 cases in about 5 minutes. Timer adjustable to .01 second.
I already have the Annealeez 2.0 but I just love gadgets.
I thought about picking up one of these, but got tired of waiting. Ended up with the Bench-Source and I absolutely love it.
A good annealer is an excellent addition to any reloading kit. It really improves consistency. I used a drill and a torch for years.
I wish I could find a Bench Source..Cannot even get the company to return my emails... Brownells has been out of stock for months..
Same here
@@drice847 I bought mine from Brownells and used a coupon code.
The fella that started bench source has passed away. His wife is running the company……….Price increase is coming. I however bought the Ep annealer and am very happy. About half the price and very effective……Its your money so spend it how you want. I saved enough to buy a MDT Oryx chassis……Just sayn
A couple of guys I watch for reloading content is gavintoobe (Ultimate Reloader) and Erik Cortina.
AMP - Annealing Made Perfect
Yup. Had the AMP been around back in the day, I would have bought that one rather than the Giraud.
$1400 though. Hard to justify when this is $268.
Just getting into reloading cant wait to watch more on that
I hate to do this to you but did you ever think of reading instructions and trying explain it? just like military task training like map reading mopp gear wearing etc etc...
Yes. Many times over. In my opinion there are too many variables in the Giraud. Flame temp (Even using Templaq) flame size and position and rotor speed.
Seriously thinking of the AMP.
Pretty cool.....but for a $7 more you can get the Annealeez. Glad to see you trying new stuff
I can get behind that one. The Analease or is it the Anealease name always bugged me 🤣
Won't touch that with a 10' pole...lol!
I never knew something like that existed, really kool👍
Stay Free, Safe and Healthy...Steve from Illinois 🇺🇸
I've got the Giraud annealer, and while its very well made ...its a bitch to set up. After toasting more valuable brass than I care to admit I just gave up. It now sits in its box...
Annealing seems more like an art than a science.
Good stuff KB.....Cheers!!
Any luck with buying primers? HELP!!!!
Very Cool product !!!!!!!!!!!
Thats cool!
"Us reloader 2 smart 4 own good". Hahah this thing is too cool, we've sure come a long way.
Im new to annealing. Is annealing for pistol cases worth it with this machine or is this better suited for rifle cases? I have a lot of 45 ACP cases and others that I want to keep loading for long as possible.
At this price I want to just connect a small dc motor to a shell holder and just use a stop watch and a stick
i just use the "one Thousand one ,one thousand two Method works great
@@barryd.thomassr.9156 Sounds like a cool arduino project
@@slipknnnot if you could contact me by email i could send you a video
Where can I get one?
Are you finding primers?
On gun broker nonstop. $150-200/1000 though..
Hard pass on that.
@@BlackdogADV Agreed, i just go to my pile i got for $18/1000 and use those, sparingly.
I have a few thousand I bought for 3 cents a piece. But after those are gone I might as well sell all my reloading equipment and get into scrapbooking.
That really burns my brass.
Back in the old days when folks read books they knew that in order to anneal brass, it has to be quenched...if you want proof, look into doing case conversio,s, to properly understand annealing copper and brass...
That looks like a cool tool, add water to the catch pan..
How does this compare to the annealeez?
This guy truly is detrimental to the sale of this product. He admits he does not know what he is doing with this devise. Yes, he has no clue. ..... but it is a funny show to watch him make a fool of himself!
What is it for ?
I feel like I’m watching the blooper reel.
Appreciate the video!
Rube Goldberg machine ... I thought this was a parody
Perfect description. This is a more complicated and much more difficult to adjust version of the Annealeez which is almost the same price, can be loaded with up to 100 .308 cases at once and allows you to attach the propane tank and tuck it out of the way in the back.
Very cool
That looks like a pain in the ass lol
Yeah what a nightmare
Strain hardens the brass... lookin out for ya patriot.
I never annealing my range scrap brass. I just clean it, and put it in a pizza oven.
Depends on the cases.
Something low and slow with a thicker wall I wouldn't stress for longevity purposes. 308/7.62, that competes with something like 3006 in terms of pressure require a tighter firing chamber inside the case to build that pressure will wear that brass quicker.
You'd be doing good to get 5-7 reloads with trimming as needed on a 3006, where as a 308/762 you'd be doing good to get 3-4 before the neck is so thin it splits.
Another thing to mention is case head to body expansion. I use a flattened peice of wire turned with a 90° bend to the end to "scratch" the inner wall to feel for a lip. If it has a lip you might as well toss it, it's the head about to separate from the case body and you have one maybe two reloads before she's toast.
@@hunterromano5562 I reload 9mm, and 5.56. but I do colet all brass. Regardless if it's from one of my guns. Or even if it's not a caliber I don't reload or shoot.
@D W I just use the pizza oven for brass since that stone disk thing went missing.
Another freebie
I’d go 5 seconds 🇺🇸❤️
Note to self - read instructions, than shoot video
lol
I also hate reading directions! But please read them next time you want to show us something because this video was frustrating. Be well my brother from another mother.
Same nuts introduce AW BAN. Same crap, different decade.
They come out of their crypts every few decades to terrorize the countryside and sniff little kids. The older i get, the older that gets.
Dude, how hard is it to do a dry run before you embarrass yourself on a video. Your stumbling around keeps me from wanting this contraption and trusting your judgement on reloading accessories. Check it out.
I was thinking the same thing. I had to stop watching because of all the fumbling around....especially after having watched the setup vid from EP Integrations themselves.
You might read them but you never reply to them
Real men don't read instructions or ask for directions.
🤔pls check their vid before you get hurt
Hr 8 passed the house
I figured it would. Don't expect any compliance if it goes the distance