Yeah, he does know what he's talking about from more than 30 years of experience. He's fun to watch, too. He doesn't wear a shirt and tie when he's working, he saves that for the show.
Best show on TV . I was a machinist for 15 years and made my share of knifes . The best thing about a hand made knife is it will last for generations if cared for and made right .
hugodogobob as a man who now has 20” curls I can tell you that curls are very hit or miss at that length and almost impossible to deal with. There is no combing or brushing your hair at that length because your hair doesn’t have enough mass to keep it in a style the natural spring of your curl’s coil forces it back to how it wants to be.
I know I'm late but most people put it in their oven (temperature depends on type of steel, a lot of people will say different temperatures.) You can also use a blow torch if you are careful. I guess you could use your forge too, just don't over heat it.
You'll want to heat the blade back up to around 390-410. Most carbon high metals start getting pink or glowing at around 545-570. Also if the spine of the medal is sufficiently large you can oil quench the blade to right around a soft pink pull it out of the oil and let the residual heat stored in the spine temper the cutting edge. Quick summary: You need to know the steel you are working with. Quench the steel at around 650-900 degrees. That's right around the time the steel starts making a dim light in the red/pink range. Temper the steel in an oven, or in and out of the forge making sure not to let the steel turn pink. You'll want to keep or hold that temp for around 1-2 hours. If done right the blade should be around 53-58 hrc you can purchase a hand held hardness tester for $500-$3,000.
@ianutube22 too hot unless you're dealing with a steel that soaks around 2k. If you're doing it in the open atmosphere, you need to get things hot and not too long. This video is a decent demonstration and the colors filmed are relatively accurate. If magnetism leaves at a mid red to your eye on plain steel, you need to get a little past that and then quench. How much past depends on the steel. Not much for 1084 and quite a bit more for 52100.
I think one of the things some viewers don't realize is the judges don't just pick these weapons out of some armory or their storage, they off-camera build the sample weapons they tell the contestants to build under the same conditions. And later they use the tests on the sample to judge the minimum needed to pass.
An old man taught me this: "A dog that knows it's bite, knows how loud to bark." He was ex-military and never bragged about what he did. To this day, nobody but who he served with knows what he did. He buddies from other branches however, are somehow always talking about things that seem kinda impossible. Lol
@@megah8nyouzero I was about to say something along those lines, but you beat me to it. Kind of like bullies back when we were in school. Usually the guys who try to act tough are just that. Acting because they lack any real skill or confidence.
As a very new hobbyist bladesmith this could be the most useful 3 minutes 38 seconds on RUclips. I knew about the magnetism and I knew it was possible to overheat a blade, but I knew practically nothing between the magnetic not working and being nearly white hot.
"Gasoline doesn't burn, it's the vapors." I wish movie makers would figure this out. Most of the time you throw a cigarette into gasoline on the ground it will just go out because the vapors disperse too fast to light. The only time this really works is when the gas is in a container where the vapors can't disperse quickly.
LOL -- special effects have all sorts of holes in it -- it's really popular to have cars explode. One of my favorites is a head on collision or a really hard rear-ending and for some inexplicable reason the air bags don't go off. Especially useful when the story calls for that character's death.
Hollywood is not interested in concepts of pyrotechnics or how firearms really work. A long time ago gasoline used to have a higher vapor pressure or that it evaporated quicker and therefor was much more combustible. Several concerns about safety and relative temperature changes have caused fuel companies to change this in their fuel making process. Gasoline is made and sold depending what temperature averages there will be in different areas of the world.
Love these videos! Always picking up good tips and seeing how the masters would do it. Unrelated note, Wil's hair is fantastic this season. #ManCrush on the judges, they just seem like they would be a fantastic bunch to go for drinks with and hear stories from.
@@bill4639 that's david baker, master blacksmith with 30 years experience and a brimming portfolio sprawling all over hollywood. he's widely regarded as the best blacksmith in the us. who are you?
@@soggy5854 Because a proper temper takes several hours. Honestly I believe that is why they split the knife and handle making apart. would give them time to temper while they aren't filming.
2022=Loved, Thank you for this video.. I wish to someday make a forged steel blade, I watch forged in fire gives me some confidence to try.. I want to make a series of TV show, fans of FIF series diehard
And someone it’s just getting into for Gina find these videos very helpful because these men are experts they know what they’re talking about way more than I could ever dream of
Either special quenching oil or motor oil. Pretty much any oil will do but those two are my favourite. When I started I used the cheapest stuff I could find and quenched in sunflower oil. Real quenching oil and especially used motor oil have a bunch of beneficiary properties for things like carbon absorption and grain structure.
@@GeorgderQualmerbasic steels like 1084 might not fully harden in thicker oils, quench oils are formulated to be faster but still less harsh than water which can cause warping. W steels are water quench, O steels oil, and A steels air.
Only some kind of steel can be hardened by checking with magnet. Steel becomes non-magnetic at Curie Point and it is 770 celsius degree. What about austenitization? It is time when structures of steel is starting to make proper crystal structure (avg 10min + 1,5min/1mm thickness of blade). After qenching steel must be tempered to reduce the stress in material.
I am not a blade smith yet I know the heated steel reaches critical temperature, it looses magnetic properties! I saw that a dozen years ago on PBS just watching Roy Underhill visit the blacksmith who brought this information up. There are small things in life you remember like that. Why does no one show up without a magnet mounted into a handle. Plus, if not covered the edge & tip in clay to keep it cooler and not over heat, the burners have valves to turn them down or off! Yet no one does! One of my favorite things, is this show!
alaskankare absolutely, the non magnetic state is caused by the heat and the "excitement" of the molecules, after they cool and slow down the magnet will stick again
why, in the tv show, they quench for about 2 second then they extract the blade from the oil/water. Souldn't the blade be fully cool? Do they temper the blade after or they keep the full(over) hardness?
when they do temper, they try to temper before quenching i think. Too much heat can return it back to its soft state. BUT some smiths do something called "blue backing" where they heat only the spine so the spine is soft (it can handle stress better that way). OR they can edge quench (the edge is hot enough to get hard while the spine isn't) as for the quench thing- My guess is that they are simply just in a hurry. you can let a knife cool a while in oil but it takes time, and a lot of the contestants like to grind on their knives a bit so they look nice when being judged on. (i'm not a smith, i just watch the show a bit, so don't take my knowledge as absolutely right)
w01ffr34k Are you in US? I'm UK but watch the American releases when possible, can't remember seeing it either unless it's the Xiphos sword from newest episode. Thought that was out on the 11th though yet to see.
I thought that magnetism is just like an indicator to approximate the temperature and not when you need to quench but rather the metal would need to get a bit hotter.
There's oils available for order online for quenching. However, even used motor oil works. Water can cause knives to bend or even shatter upon quenching but that can happen in oil too. The trick is to make sure whatever you're using is heated up. Blacksmiths recommend using junk steel. Heat up your junk steel first, and dip it in your quench tank before your actual knife to get the oil or water to temperature.
Im a beginner forger myself and am ready to quench a railroad spike knife i made the the wife, so i have to preheat used truck oil any particular temp of just preheat it thanks for reply and advice
If they did this real they would tell you can buy and hand held Infrared meter that would tell you the actual temperature. You do not have to guess by the totally arbitrary color that changes according to the surrounding light. That and most bladesmith's use an oven to temper and heat treat, not a forge.
For the most part from the show what I picked up is that water will cool down things very quickly, and thus put strain on whatever it is you are quenching. So there probably are steels that can take that strain, but mostly at least in the show they cringe when someone goes straight to water, Oil seems to be more gradual and safer to use for the material. I however am not a blacksmith and have not worked with metals or quenching, so take that with a grain of salt.
STEVE P Definitely oil; quenching in water cause stress cracks and if you drop it, it'll completely shatter. Not only that, but if you get a warp in the blade, you can't fix it from a water quench. Quenching in oil, however, let's the blade cool a little more subtly. And if you get a warp, you can fix it, but you have to be quick.
I love how the judges taught Wil and Doug themselves about forging basics so that get added knowledge
first time I saw a blacksmith wearing a collar and tie. Class. this guy knows what he is talking about.
Yeah, he does know what he's talking about from more than 30 years of experience. He's fun to watch, too. He doesn't wear a shirt and tie when he's working, he saves that for the show.
@@janbadinski7126 Dave Baker is something special :D
@@Toppa35 Indeed he is.
Actually, he never actually made a blade until season 7 - until them it was stock removal on aluminum. FACT.
Best show on TV . I was a machinist for 15 years and made my share of knifes . The best thing about a hand made knife is it will last for generations if cared for and made right .
Looks so weird seeing this guy with long hair
It's so easy to forget he had quite the wild hair.
it does NOT fit him AT ALL, if hes got long hair, its at least like a comb back...or just no curling
DDSam tbh i like it on him with the curls 🤷♂️
This is the first time I've seen him with long hair and I think it suits him better
hugodogobob as a man who now has 20” curls I can tell you that curls are very hit or miss at that length and almost impossible to deal with. There is no combing or brushing your hair at that length because your hair doesn’t have enough mass to keep it in a style the natural spring of your curl’s coil forces it back to how it wants to be.
From frying metal to frying chicken ladies and gentlemen Colonel Sanders
Shut up
Under appreciated elder of a joke comment
Could we get a video on tempering? I know it isn't very exciting but many people try to learn from this show and they think you only need to quench.
Yeah I think quenching is the easy part compared to tempering severing can be a pain depending on the steel you gotten your setup is
I know I'm late but most people put it in their oven (temperature depends on type of steel, a lot of people will say different temperatures.) You can also use a blow torch if you are careful. I guess you could use your forge too, just don't over heat it.
You'll want to heat the blade back up to around 390-410. Most carbon high metals start getting pink or glowing at around 545-570. Also if the spine of the medal is sufficiently large you can oil quench the blade to right around a soft pink pull it out of the oil and let the residual heat stored in the spine temper the cutting edge.
Quick summary:
You need to know the steel you are working with.
Quench the steel at around 650-900 degrees. That's right around the time the steel starts making a dim light in the red/pink range.
Temper the steel in an oven, or in and out of the forge making sure not to let the steel turn pink. You'll want to keep or hold that temp for around 1-2 hours.
If done right the blade should be around 53-58 hrc you can purchase a hand held hardness tester for $500-$3,000.
@@rickwalker8241 when quenching I get the metal almost yellow glowing… probably too hot for quenching?
@ianutube22 too hot unless you're dealing with a steel that soaks around 2k. If you're doing it in the open atmosphere, you need to get things hot and not too long. This video is a decent demonstration and the colors filmed are relatively accurate. If magnetism leaves at a mid red to your eye on plain steel, you need to get a little past that and then quench. How much past depends on the steel. Not much for 1084 and quite a bit more for 52100.
I think one of the things some viewers don't realize is the judges don't just pick these weapons out of some armory or their storage, they off-camera build the sample weapons they tell the contestants to build under the same conditions. And later they use the tests on the sample to judge the minimum needed to pass.
has anyone else noticed that the more quieter humble guys usually win
An old man taught me this: "A dog that knows it's bite, knows how loud to bark." He was ex-military and never bragged about what he did. To this day, nobody but who he served with knows what he did. He buddies from other branches however, are somehow always talking about things that seem kinda impossible. Lol
@@megah8nyouzero I was about to say something along those lines, but you beat me to it. Kind of like bullies back when we were in school. Usually the guys who try to act tough are just that. Acting because they lack any real skill or confidence.
Not always
Always
Not always
I could watch David forge all day.
Best reality show on tv.
That long hair style represents me in quarantine 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love how this video shows how to avoid a warped blade, and it still happens so much🤣
Thanks for putting this on, this show has inspired me to become a bladesmith, and I want to start learning.
the host looks like someone's custom nord character in skyrim
Is that an old Xbox profile picture?
@@fgcvhhbvjhbj why yes it is
@@captainscones6760 well met
More of these types of videos please
As a very new hobbyist bladesmith this could be the most useful 3 minutes 38 seconds on RUclips. I knew about the magnetism and I knew it was possible to overheat a blade, but I knew practically nothing between the magnetic not working and being nearly white hot.
I love David's outfits
Great show
It would be nice if all the judges would come out for one episode to forge one of their own signature blades and have them get judged
And have the proceeds go to a charity of the winner's choosing
You understand they aren’t all smiths right?
They did in the beat the judges episodes
David Baker is the man of my dreams...What I wouldn't do to find someone like him.
Colonel Sanders and Jon Snow talk about quenching knives... What a time to be alive.
"Gasoline doesn't burn, it's the vapors." I wish movie makers would figure this out. Most of the time you throw a cigarette into gasoline on the ground it will just go out because the vapors disperse too fast to light. The only time this really works is when the gas is in a container where the vapors can't disperse quickly.
LOL -- special effects have all sorts of holes in it -- it's really popular to have cars explode. One of my favorites is a head on collision or a really hard rear-ending and for some inexplicable reason the air bags don't go off. Especially useful when the story calls for that character's death.
Hollywood is not interested in concepts of pyrotechnics or how firearms really work.
A long time ago gasoline used to have a higher vapor pressure or that it evaporated quicker and therefor was much more combustible. Several concerns about safety and relative temperature changes have caused fuel companies to change this in their fuel making process. Gasoline is made and sold depending what temperature averages there will be in different areas of the world.
Thomas Grant i’ll never forget the first year ethanol was added. you could hear it damaging my motor that was not designed for it. lol.
The cigarette goes out because technically it's not hot enough to ignite the gas fumes
we wont have to worry...50 more year fossil fuels gone bye bye
I def want to see all the judges compete on an episode!
U just c the Perfection in Dave the way he Forges Perfect!!!!🎥✌️💎
I didn’t know you had to heat both sides of it to help keeping it from worping this was very help full thanks
These are COOL ! Thanx for the behind the scenes.
Something about these people I just want to have a civilized conversation with
Love these videos! Always picking up good tips and seeing how the masters would do it.
Unrelated note, Wil's hair is fantastic this season. #ManCrush on the judges, they just seem like they would be a fantastic bunch to go for drinks with and hear stories from.
@@bill4639 that's david baker, master blacksmith with 30 years experience and a brimming portfolio sprawling all over hollywood.
he's widely regarded as the best blacksmith in the us.
who are you?
Been around the industry since 8th grade finely gathered enough to start working steel
My retirement wish me luck
Why don't they show the tempering process after the hardening process on the TV show? These 2 things make a complete blade.
Yeah I know, it bothers me too. I think most contestants just use a blowtorch to temper or stick it back in their forge to heat it up a little.
@@soggy5854 Because a proper temper takes several hours. Honestly I believe that is why they split the knife and handle making apart. would give them time to temper while they aren't filming.
Thank you!!!! I appreciate this.
Man, the Forged in Fire is the best. Entertainment and you can a learn a thing or two, or three. Where can I buy the whole series to date. Cool.
Zed Haley history channel has all the episodes. If you haven’t figured it out a year later...
for hypoeutectoid steels heating above A3 temp and for hypereutectoid steels above A1 temp and then quech
what type of oil do they use just strait motor oil does it make a differance
AWESOME!!! ILOVE seeing skilled blacksmiths using the magnet temperature test = this should be more common knowledge!
2022=Loved, Thank you for this video.. I wish to someday make a forged steel blade, I watch forged in fire gives me some confidence to try.. I want to make a series of TV show, fans of FIF series diehard
Loving wills look in the thumbnail lol
Yup. Watch him. Slow, relaxed, but methodical.
What oil should we use !
And someone it’s just getting into for Gina find these videos very helpful because these men are experts they know what they’re talking about way more than I could ever dream of
What about excessive heat ruining a magnet which one works which one is?
This is a great vid for any armature or entry lv smith.
Just quench it 10 times in water and you're good to go leaving the forge!😆
what was the sowrd at 3:11 please ???
that sword is call the khanda
This was his Maconnaughey phase.
awesome guys, simply that awesome
Omg his hair 😂
He looks like your everyday Blacksmith in every MMORPGs.
Même en forgeant vous êtes toujours bien habiller .
For longer blades a salt tank is fantastic. Even heat over 3 feet is a great thing.
yea Im not sure about the whole forging while wearing a tie and blazer but still pretty cool
Bakanisimo!!! Definitivamente mi programa favorito. Muy bien Dave & Will.
3:12 the khanda
what kind of oil do they use to quench the blades in?
Either special quenching oil or motor oil. Pretty much any oil will do but those two are my favourite. When I started I used the cheapest stuff I could find and quenched in sunflower oil. Real quenching oil and especially used motor oil have a bunch of beneficiary properties for things like carbon absorption and grain structure.
@@GeorgderQualmerbasic steels like 1084 might not fully harden in thicker oils, quench oils are formulated to be faster but still less harsh than water which can cause warping. W steels are water quench, O steels oil, and A steels air.
Dream job right there. 😊
That was a really nice looking knife.
Very cool
nifty.
Thanks guys.
Using a magnetic only tells you it's at a critical temp. Does not tell you if it's to hot. To hot is detrimental to the metal
Only some kind of steel can be hardened by checking with magnet. Steel becomes non-magnetic at Curie Point and it is 770 celsius degree. What about austenitization? It is time when structures of steel is starting to make proper crystal structure (avg 10min + 1,5min/1mm thickness of blade). After qenching steel must be tempered to reduce the stress in material.
When the blade turns black from the heat its called de-oxygenation.
Hi Coronel sanders
That hair tho 😂
I am not a blade smith yet I know the heated steel reaches critical temperature, it looses magnetic properties! I saw that a dozen years ago on PBS just watching Roy Underhill visit the blacksmith who brought this information up. There are small things in life you remember like that.
Why does no one show up without a magnet mounted into a handle. Plus, if not covered the edge & tip in clay to keep it cooler and not over heat, the burners have valves to turn them down or off! Yet no one does!
One of my favorite things, is this show!
Lolololol wil’s hair😂😂😂
Please tel mee quenching oil name
Can you show the complete video of forging the KAMPILAN sword?
There is a vid on youtube that they taught Wil to forge a blade
I'm a chef, why the heck my brain asking me to search for,
_How to quench._
where is the video of jason burning his hand??
Will it be non magnetic or nonferrous?😒
Can I also use water to quech
does it become magnetic again after you quench it?
alaskankare absolutely, the non magnetic state is caused by the heat and the "excitement" of the molecules, after they cool and slow down the magnet will stick again
That was dope yo
Thank you me KFC for the wonderful video demonstration.
Will looks great with long hair huh 😆
For a second I thought he had a broom on his head
Do those techniques work for a coal forge?
why, in the tv show, they quench for about 2 second then they extract the blade from the oil/water. Souldn't the blade be fully cool? Do they temper the blade after or they keep the full(over) hardness?
when they do temper, they try to temper before quenching i think. Too much heat can return it back to its soft state. BUT some smiths do something called "blue backing" where they heat only the spine so the spine is soft (it can handle stress better that way). OR they can edge quench (the edge is hot enough to get hard while the spine isn't)
as for the quench thing- My guess is that they are simply just in a hurry. you can let a knife cool a while in oil but it takes time, and a lot of the contestants like to grind on their knives a bit so they look nice when being judged on.
(i'm not a smith, i just watch the show a bit, so don't take my knowledge as absolutely right)
So the magnet can be a clever trick when your in the competition
Is there a video on that sword at 3:11?
w01ffr34k
Are you in US?
I'm UK but watch the American releases when possible, can't remember seeing it either unless it's the Xiphos sword from newest episode. Thought that was out on the 11th though yet to see.
Baked it wasn't the xiphos episode. I watched it last night. and yes I'm in the US.
Baked Yes there was an episode on that sword. That is the Khanda.
Why is the edge of the blade heated more im planning to make my own precision file since the files at my hardware store arent straight
Okey
Last place i thought id find cernal sanders
I thought that magnetism is just like an indicator to approximate the temperature and not when you need to quench but rather the metal would need to get a bit hotter.
Whoa he had long hair at some point lol. Looks sooo diff you would never know he was in the military
but can he enchant it with greater runes?
why they quench for like 2 or 3 second then they remove the blade from oil or water. isnt the blade not cooled enough?
Ahh I see. Onetime I saw someone heated a blade then points the tip to north while quenching.
what type of oil they use for forging
I know that water is bad for your metal sometimes
There's oils available for order online for quenching. However, even used motor oil works. Water can cause knives to bend or even shatter upon quenching but that can happen in oil too. The trick is to make sure whatever you're using is heated up. Blacksmiths recommend using junk steel. Heat up your junk steel first, and dip it in your quench tank before your actual knife to get the oil or water to temperature.
Im a beginner forger myself and am ready to quench a railroad spike knife i made the the wife, so i have to preheat used truck oil any particular temp of just preheat it thanks for reply and advice
Oh no problem! Blade Smithing is a difficult and rewarding art. I'm always excited to share what I know with others
Rapeseed oil is most used one.I am using at the moment sunflower.But don't use motor oil due to toxic vapores.
John Mariscal then stop telling people to use motor oil..
It'd be nice to hear the guy talk over the music they play. Do you really need music playing while the guy is heating up a knife??
If they did this real they would tell you can buy and hand held Infrared meter that would tell you the actual temperature. You do not have to guess by the totally arbitrary color that changes according to the surrounding light.
That and most bladesmith's use an oven to temper and heat treat, not a forge.
Dave and Jay should have tested these blades
The KFC Colonel is a talented guy, wow
what about tempering? they never show that
the katzbalger champion talked about that in a RUclips video. he said the judges put the blades in a heat treat oven off screen.
how do you temper a blade? how long do you leave it in a heat treat oven?
@@killer13324 it depends on the steel.
Most of my tempers, again depending the steel. 500degrees F. For 2 hours. 10 minutes out. Then 2 more hours at the same temp
THE MONOPOLY GUY AND SOME CHICK MAKING A KNIFE....LOL
And not a single word on the all important step of tempering the blade after heat treat.
when will talks it sounds like he always has a cold.
do more how to videos with the judges. I'm a aspiring new (want to be) blacksmith building my first backyard forge
is it better to use oil or water for quenching?
Depends on the steel, there are steels better for water and steels better for oil
thanks.
STEVE P also some steels air harden.
For the most part from the show what I picked up is that water will cool down things very quickly, and thus put strain on whatever it is you are quenching. So there probably are steels that can take that strain, but mostly at least in the show they cringe when someone goes straight to water, Oil seems to be more gradual and safer to use for the material. I however am not a blacksmith and have not worked with metals or quenching, so take that with a grain of salt.
STEVE P Definitely oil; quenching in water cause stress cracks and if you drop it, it'll completely shatter. Not only that, but if you get a warp in the blade, you can't fix it from a water quench. Quenching in oil, however, let's the blade cool a little more subtly. And if you get a warp, you can fix it, but you have to be quick.