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With your exhaust Tom, I have the same set up. I disconnected the flapper valve cables from the servo and wired the flapper open that made the akro perfect note. Just do not unplug the servo otherwise you’ll get a fault code up
The MT10 is a great bike but she isn't a great city commuter or pillion machine (Those rear footpegs are mega high). The fuel consumption is probably the most inconvenient, annoying part of owning one. Once the engine has some miles on it does improve a bit. Talking of miles, I've done nearly 10,000 on the stock seat, I like it and find it comfortable. For all it's faults I love riding this bike more than any other; two years in and no plans to change.
Ah, the infamous Yami-rattle. The R6 was the same way. except it was a noisy clutch basket. My FZ1 had a noisy cam chain tensioner too. Most yamahas are a little noisy on the engine
Just bought my 2018 Yamaha MT10 after saving up for a bike for 6 years. I know it is not a begginer bike but I have respected it from the moment I drove it off the dealership and have been in love with the bike ever since!!!
Graves EVR is the best cat delete imo. The valve is huge in keeping the volume down even when the muffler is gone. It gets loud when the valve opens (around 6k with aggressive throttling) but you can cruise in 6th on the highway at reasonable speeds without any drone. Con is that it's about as expensive as it gets.
Going 50kph takes just as much power no matter if you are riding with 1st or 3rd gear. Engine will however have more friction losses at higher rpms. That's the main reason why it has lower fuel economy at higher gears. ;)
Try the Leo Vince decat, had a small silencer built in. It's louder but doesn't drone and do you head in on the open road. I have one on mine and the noise level is just right
Good, detailed take on the negatives of that bike, especially about the fueling and the brakes. I don’t know what the restrictions are in Australia, but a factory re-map in conjunction with race exhaust generally makes a substantial difference in responsiveness. Thanks as always for the fun video!
I thought only my Yamaha FZ16 (150cc) had that thing with the cam chain tensioner, but upon watching I'm kinda thankful that my bike ain't the only one with that "issue".
A good video but the first point about economy can surely be vastly improved if you stop cracking the throttle open then slamming it shut every two seconds.
I agree with you on most of your dislikes. That cat and clamps got me stuck 1/2 down motorcycle ramps when unloading the bike by myself. I had to leave the bike stand by itself while I ran as fast as I could to get blocks of wood to shove behind the rear wheel. The bike did not even have a mile on it yet... lol I love my 2019 MT10 I wish we had the SP model more available here in the US. I love that display in color.
I've had my MT10 for 18 months and I love it to bits. Do a lot of riding with my wife as passenger and have made my own rear footpeg extensions which help he 5ft 7ins height. Can get nearly 250 kms from a tank when we go country riding. I guess as I'm a lot older I find small dislikes insignificant. Greetings from Perth.
Recently only short rides of about half an hour each way but we normally would at least double that when riding out to the nearer country towns like Toodyay, Northam or York or even Mundaring. So these work out at a tank full or just over, topping it up a little for the return if I have any doubts. Our old bums get a bit numb at times! I don't usually keep a record of distance.
Pretty crappy that you have to invest in a radial MC, braided lines and better pads when you drop $20K+ on the MT10, especially given it's the SP model. Sure on a budget bike like my SV650 you expect average brakes but not on a brand new MT10SP
Yeah as I said the brakes are fine unless you compare them to the best brakes in the business, for most people they are perfectly fine, as I said I’m not making any changes to them as I find them perfectly good now
Funny thing is that if Suzuki for example, made a bike for 20k with mushy/weak initial bite brakes then everyone would shit on it til worlds end but because Yamaha does it it’s okay because people can’t stop riding the big Yamaha-dick that must come attached to every yamaha sold. Oh but who am i kidding, Rossi rides yamaha so they must have the best bikes in all categories, right?
Sorry but the most annoying item has to be the rider...... The bike has a purpose.Which is to be exciting exhilarating , mind blowing which I reckon it most likely is...... It is sad I do not own one :-(
Drinks fuel badly. KTM has 1301cc engine that does about 10 mpg better, makes a heap more torque, a bit more power, and has zero throttle calibration issues.
@@Fearless154 mine was pretty good in the rain (lite throttle applications ) but it did get heavy when you are on it, my 10 is heavy on fuel all the time (non stock exhaust as was the 9 )
G'day Tom, fellow SP owner and weekend rider. Agree with all the negatives though the positives more than overlook them IMO ;) One other thing I've found is the amount of engine braking, particularly when turning off the cruise control can catch you out. Also the lack of options for an exhaust system is a bit annoying. Either really expensive titanium systems or just slip on options is a bit poor for a shared flagship platform. Keep up the good work mate, enjoy all the vids!
Worst part of the MT-10SP is it's not yet available in the USA. Informative vid, thanks m8, looking forward to the review you mentioned towards the end.
Is the Yami throttle snatchy? I took the new GSXR 1000 out and it just felt dangerous. The Aprilia RSV4 ride after was so good I purchased it , fueling and confidence was on another level
About the fuel economy, I have the R1 and the FZ-10 (Or MT-10) ... And you have all the reason with the terrible fuel consumption, in particular I realized that the MT-10 consumes fuel faster than the R1, which from my point of view is wrong, to be a naked bike dedicated to be used a little more in town than the R1...
60MPG from my 2018 Super Duke R and well over 200 miles to a tank,that's riding a mixture of motorway and twisty roads. Not sure why the MT is so thirsty because that engine is bloody fantastic.
Hi, nice vid! I use my MT10 since it came out and equipped it with Ktech race suspension and other goodies like full exhaust. I also use it to race it on the track :) My opinions for improvements are: Have the comfort seat too but found the original seat because of the low seat hight to be better. Breaks: get a different break pump like a brembo 18/19 or something similar. I use the 17 from the R1 and the breaks works million times better. The stock break pump is junk. M4 Brembo break pads and you are in business. Full Exhaust system and dyno. Wheelbase is to short. Get longer chain to put the axle to the back. Huge improvement. Wouldn't shorten the gear ratio as it is short already. Mine has enough to make it longer. Wheelbase will make it a weapon. SP Suspension was not sporty for my taste but thats a matter of taste. Stock suspension is so so, definitely can recommend KTech shock wich will transform the bike. Tires: I use Dunlop D212GP Pro .
Cut the footpegs to 2/3rds of the length to make more room for my legs and stop it from scraping all day. I actually like the low footpegs. I just put a lower flatter ABM handlebars on it as the stock one is super high. Have not tested it but should be fine. Can recommend the KTech IDS cartridge as they are not too expensive and great.
Not sure if you're a mechanical noob or just bad at explaining what you meant, but cam chain tensioners themselves dont make any noise. It's the lack of tension due to their design that results in that noise you hear.
Glad you mentioned about the clickiness during warmup, My 2015 FJ-09 (Tracer 900) had a cam tensioner recall and I had the new one installed but still had major clicking during warmup and it kind of bothered me since no one really mentioned that it was common and normal for these bikes. Been taking care of the bike with oil changes every 2500m since I like to peg the throttle haha. I was looking at a 2017 fz10 and am considering adding the naked 1000 yamaha to my collection
Do you have footage of the three exhaust configurations? Ie, stock, stock with slipon, link pipe with slipon? I had an MT-10A and am about to get an SP. The A was definitely quiet - almost too quiet to be noticed, even with the slipon, and I'm considering getting the link pipe in the future,. but if it's as loud as you say I'd be concerned about getting defected
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I commute in Melbourne on an S1000RR and thought my fuel economy was bad at about 7.4! Best commuter though - heated grips, cruise and so narrow I can fit through small gaps. I find with the upright bikes the handlebars always seem to be right at mirror height.
150km? ouch! I have to say this is down to your style for sure. I average 190km before reserve out of my 15 R1. That's with commuting too the mountains and then fun there.
Have you ever thought, that you might get better fuel consumption, if you learned to use the gearbox properly and changed up from 1st? I've had mine for 3 1/2 years now and the fuel consumption isn't brilliant, but mine has never been that bad. Here is the UK, there are speed cameras in some areas, but you can wind the bike up pretty quick away from towns and then get some pretty big numbers showing, but we do use all 6 of the gears. Absolute piece of cake to get up to way past 120..........that's mph.
I found a screaming deal on a '18 with almost no miles. Didn't need it because I just bought a new 3rd gen '21 mt09 last year. I can ride mt09 HARD and get 35-40mpg. My mt10 has de cat link and flashed. I get 25-30mpg, just the price of admission for the mt10.
You use this bike for commuting primarily? Why not getting a pair of dad jeans(GS, Multistrada)? For commuting they have better fueling, better comfort wise. Same width handlebars should make it as easy for filtering?
I was tempted to get an adventure bike but I still wanted something cool and exciting for the twisties, I can see an adventure bike probably coming soon for me though, I’m getting old...
Thanks for the response. I can understand why. I'm struggling with what to get next. Crazy taxes here, means i can only get one bike. Hyper naked or a travelling pair of dad jeans. :D
Just my 2 cents: 1. You don't buy a liter bike for fuel economy, so I'm not even sure why you mentioned it... 2. Probably a valid point, but it's not meant for tight turns on trails. 3. Yep stock Yamaha seats suck on all of the MT line. 4. I've heard the front brakes aren't so amazing compared to the R1 or S1000, have you considered any upgrades? 5. No comment, I personally like heavy clutches. 6. Has Yamaha issued a TSB? I had a problem with my FJ-09's cam chain and Yamaha rectified it with their most recent update. 7. No comment 8. No comment, same on my FJ-09. 9. That could definitely be annoying. 10. Time to go with a full system! The growl is phenomenal. Just do it. Or don't, it's your bike. 11. Flash your ECU. Everyone who has done it says the bike really wakes up and everything smooths right out. 12. Cruse is nice when doing a 150+ mile roadtrip at the same speed. 13. Key FOB is nice on a car, haven't heard great things on bikes. 14. Factory heated grips aren't available are they? Totally jealous, we can't get the SP model in the states.
Personally I would prefer to have a small commuter bike like a XSR700 which also has a flat seat for 2up and low fuel consumption and a second bike for the fun times
A lot of these complaints might just be Yamaha in general. I have an XSR700. Pegs are too high for my GF to ride with me, also had to get lower ones. Stock is quiet as shite. Mirrors are garbage, even if you get the nuts apeshit-tight, they still flap inwards if you go on the highway, had to replace those. Only 75hp, 700cc's and I get about 5,4 liters/100km, Also city commuting. My stock saddle is comfy as hell though.
Compared to my 2016 Rocket it's a moped gas sipper!!!! LOL!! My Rocket gets the same mileage as my 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK!!!! Lol! I fill her up, 6.2 gallons and get 116 miles. Best highway so far, 31.5 mpg. Maybe I should keep it under 85mph...
Do you still have the MT10? Trying to get my head around such poor fuel mileage (yes I have had multiple 1000 including two S1000RR) so I understand but you know what it’s like here in Aus...we don’t have petrol stations on every corner
I ride two up all the time like you with my wife, got tracer foot pegs, they are really good and looks OEM. I wasnt happy with the Brakes specially two up on my SP. Spend some money, got Brembo RCS19 master, Brembo Gp4-rs calipers and Frentubo braided lines, and now my brakes are as good as the Ktm super duke GT i used to have, even better. also have Graves EVR exhaust and Flashed Ecu the bike is very good now. but i am thinking of converting the Clutch cable to hydraulic with either Frando or Magura units, as in traffic the clutch is a joke, is far too heavy and you need to keep adjust it :/
Sam I am I have mt10 sp and brakes aren't that bad as he's saying and I came from my track day ready cbr 2008 Also only break pads change is needed to get them feeling and working much better. Don't throw away this amazing bike!
I had a zx6r 2007 with the grabbiest, strongest brakes ive ever used on a motorbike. The MT10 is not nearly as sharp but the brakes will pull you up. Better pads change the game however.
No dont get it. I come from an old swedish Cresent bicycle with the kind of brakes that bite the sides of the rims. This mt10 can’t even keep up with those. 10/10 worst brakes ever. My 2 year old son could stop the mt10 faster by pinching on the brake disc.
I owe exactly the same bike and all those bad qualities disappear when compared to the huge and numerous qualities it has, wouldn’t use it as a commuter though. It’s a naked hypersport and hyper sophisticated motorcycle. Btw what about wearing some gloves?
What's the wind like? In particular I hate most naked bikes in the winter because I either have to wear yet more bulky gear or deal with cold legs. With a fully faired bike I can wear jeans even when it's less than 0 degrees.
I love how quiet it is, also the mt09 , when going slow it almost sounds like an electric. I agree having a super loud exhaust all the time would get old quick. The stock seat is like a board on the mt10, slightly better on the mt09 and yes both bikes are thirsty but I didn't expect great fuel economy, still a lot cheaper than any of my other vehicles. Brakes feel fine to me, I did get mirror extenders and radiator covers, but other than that they are both great bikes.
is that how you usually ride, with some random unnecessary throttling? Damn that's probably why you get bad mileage. i get 183km before hitting reserve on my Ducati 1100evo and it only has a 13litre tank
What about running the cat box but with a really open slipon? Curiously, I ran it like that for 1 ride to judge it and it was a nice increase in sound without being loud and bassy.
The cam chain noise does my head in , i am still running my bike in and i might even get rid off it as i hate mechanical noises that should not be there .
Hi can you please help with the link or details of your passenger foot pegs please. My wife has the same issue with the factory pegs being so high. Thanks in advance!
HAd an FZ10 2 years LOVED it! Getting another , but they don't sell the SP here or I'd go that route for sure but no Go. Ugh. How much more is the SP new verses the base MT10 new? Curious the difference.
Great video desperate to ask you a question and I hope you pick this up, as you commute with this bike is it okay commuting through traffic. Or is it a pain in the arse
With the front brakes wouldn’t they be in traction control? Or like my r6 and soon and you get a bit of heat in them they work better just asking the question just because I have a r6 and now I’m looking for something a little more comfortable and easier to ride on
Did you not have a descent test ride before spending your 20k? Doesnt sound like you did,and a good idea to take your pillion with you,i always do when buying a bike she may be on the back of reasonably often.
Nice bike. The only think that would bother me is the poor brakes. Commuting around Melbourne is terrible. Surprised you don't just bicycle, being 10km away from work and all. Would be quicker!
I did ride an e bike everyday last year but my wife finished uni and started working at a hospital which is literally on my way to work so we started commuting together on the bike
I would try the yoshimura full system. I use mine with baffle in, and sounds awesome. I agree i do think the akro is too loud. Lemme know if you want to hear it, also have some advice for fueling aswell.
I'd like to ask, if anyone has compared these two bikes. What would be a reason to buy this over a BMW S1000R? In my country they're at the same price, and the SP model costs quite a lot more than the BMW S1000R.
Did you get anything? Just tested the MT-10 today and was blown away. I have to test the S1000R, but I'm in love with the engine and futuristic design of the MT-10.
Can't believe people who whinge and whine about fuel economy when they buy a bike with a sports bike engine in it even though it has been softened, get a fucking 125 or a scooter if you don't like paying for fuel.
The chain is CHEAP 10k miles tops. Stock tires are well, stock tires. Buy HH brake pads. The same tank size on the tourer, deal breaker for me, any tourer should at least have 300km range.
Did you think of the s1k beema before pulling trigger on the mt... It has all the goodies you are missing on the mt10sp...E.g heated grips, brilliant brakes etc...
Yeah I had one for 2 weeks when my s1000rr was in the shop, it was great but a bit boring, can’t explain why, also I’ve had 2 s1000rr’s and wanted something bit different
After driving an MT-10 I can safely say there's no need for the front wheel outside of parking. Completely superfluous.
Lol that bike sounds like it would be such a wheelie monster
Before watching fuel economy has to be one of them lol
WheresmyLplate you were right lol
With your exhaust Tom, I have the same set up. I disconnected the flapper valve cables from the servo and wired the flapper open that made the akro perfect note. Just do not unplug the servo otherwise you’ll get a fault code up
Did u remove from servo or flapper? Thanks
When you said Rabbit I was like that car isn’t a MkI GTI lol
Mac Dubh hahaha glad to know I wasn’t the only one
The MT10 is a great bike but she isn't a great city commuter or pillion machine (Those rear footpegs are mega high). The fuel consumption is probably the most inconvenient, annoying part of owning one. Once the engine has some miles on it does improve a bit. Talking of miles, I've done nearly 10,000 on the stock seat, I like it and find it comfortable.
For all it's faults I love riding this bike more than any other; two years in and no plans to change.
Ah, the infamous Yami-rattle. The R6 was the same way. except it was a noisy clutch basket. My FZ1 had a noisy cam chain tensioner too. Most yamahas are a little noisy on the engine
Since 5valve heads yammi like rattle, 10-50w oil help a bit
I put a scorpion decat link on mine with the same akro muffler. It's really not that loud...just a step up and I'm really glad I did it
Just bought my 2018 Yamaha MT10 after saving up for a bike for 6 years. I know it is not a begginer bike but I have respected it from the moment I drove it off the dealership and have been in love with the bike ever since!!!
still alive?
Graves EVR is the best cat delete imo. The valve is huge in keeping the volume down even when the muffler is gone. It gets loud when the valve opens (around 6k with aggressive throttling) but you can cruise in 6th on the highway at reasonable speeds without any drone. Con is that it's about as expensive as it gets.
9:30 careful mate it's hot there!
WHEre ARE YOUR GLOVES?
Complains about fuel economy. Keeps it in 1st gear the entire time of complaining.
higher gear doesnt mean best fuel economy
A bike at 50 kph will burn more fuel in 1st than it will in 2nd. 3rd would probably be most economical at that speed.
KneeGrinder 97 lower gear - higher rpms - higher engine effort - more gas usage - lower fuel economy.
As an owner of an MT10SP - can confirm... she thirsty... im averaging 8.1 l/100km... NOT as much as the V4 1100 though ;-)
Going 50kph takes just as much power no matter if you are riding with 1st or 3rd gear. Engine will however have more friction losses at higher rpms. That's the main reason why it has lower fuel economy at higher gears. ;)
Thanks a bunch for this. Planning to upgrade from mt09 to mt10 and you just pretty much listed my reservations. Those are not going to stop me tho :D
Try the Leo Vince decat, had a small silencer built in. It's louder but doesn't drone and do you head in on the open road. I have one on mine and the noise level is just right
Just got the MT-09 2018. They are bloody weapons. I can only imagine how much more balls the MT-10 SP has.
Enjoy the vids mate. Keep it up.
The 09 feels a lot more "alive" than the MT-10 tho ..
I hear that 09 is more twitch and brute than 10.
Probably because the more torque per weight, and has a shorter gearing, makes feels more agressive.
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Exactly 0.1 percent more balls :)
I have the 2017 MT09 and have ridden the MT10 often, I can say the MT09 is more lively below 100MPH, above that the MT-10 shows its strength.
Different pads alone will make the biggest improvement to initial bite ;-)
Man i wish you would upload more, you were the first motovlogger i watched back in the day
Good, detailed take on the negatives of that bike, especially about the fueling and the brakes. I don’t know what the restrictions are in Australia, but a factory re-map in conjunction with race exhaust generally makes a substantial difference in responsiveness. Thanks as always for the fun video!
I thought only my Yamaha FZ16 (150cc) had that thing with the cam chain tensioner, but upon watching I'm kinda thankful that my bike ain't the only one with that "issue".
It sounds ungodly, got to be one of my favourite engine sounds, that cross plane online 4❤️
Hmmm 🔄😂😂
mi boi pew coming back
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A good video but the first point about economy can surely be vastly improved if you stop cracking the throttle open then slamming it shut every two seconds.
PewDiePie Hmmmmm twist had me dead
I agree with you on most of your dislikes. That cat and clamps got me stuck 1/2 down motorcycle ramps when unloading the bike by myself. I had to leave the bike stand by itself while I ran as fast as I could to get blocks of wood to shove behind the rear wheel. The bike did not even have a mile on it yet... lol I love my 2019 MT10 I wish we had the SP model more available here in the US. I love that display in color.
Update the latest SP DOES come with braided brake lines and a Brembo master cyl i understand
I've had my MT10 for 18 months and I love it to bits. Do a lot of riding with my wife as passenger and have made my own rear footpeg extensions which help he 5ft 7ins height. Can get nearly 250 kms from a tank when we go country riding. I guess as I'm a lot older I find small dislikes insignificant. Greetings from Perth.
How far do you and your wife typically ride?
Recently only short rides of about half an hour each way but we normally would at least double that when riding out to the nearer country towns like Toodyay, Northam or York or even Mundaring. So these work out at a tank full or just over, topping it up a little for the return if I have any doubts. Our old bums get a bit numb at times! I don't usually keep a record of distance.
Pretty crappy that you have to invest in a radial MC, braided lines and better pads when you drop $20K+ on the MT10, especially given it's the SP model. Sure on a budget bike like my SV650 you expect average brakes but not on a brand new MT10SP
The stock brakes are good, depending on what you expect from the brakes. There really is no need to change anything.
ebc pads all you need,
Yeah as I said the brakes are fine unless you compare them to the best brakes in the business, for most people they are perfectly fine, as I said I’m not making any changes to them as I find them perfectly good now
Funny thing is that if Suzuki for example, made a bike for 20k with mushy/weak initial bite brakes then everyone would shit on it til worlds end but because Yamaha does it it’s okay because people can’t stop riding the big Yamaha-dick that must come attached to every yamaha sold. Oh but who am i kidding, Rossi rides yamaha so they must have the best bikes in all categories, right?
I just needed to vent. My period is over now.
A lot annoying items for a 20K> bike is pretty bad.
But it’s good bits sooooo makes up for it
Test ride it mate - I test rode a bunch of bikes, SP FTW. Range is the only annoying thing TBH haha.
Sorry but the most annoying item has to be the rider...... The bike has a purpose.Which is to be exciting exhilarating , mind blowing which I reckon it most likely is...... It is sad I do not own one :-(
eg Non adjustable levers!!
Drinks fuel badly. KTM has 1301cc engine that does about 10 mpg better, makes a heap more torque, a bit more power, and has zero throttle calibration issues.
160 hp and y want fuel economy?
Jip worried about fuel my s1000r does 150km on one tank 🤐
Ktm 1290 super have power and economy
No no you don't understand! yamaha is by far worst than other in fuel economy department. My mt09 eats more fuel than my zx14 I'm not joking.
@@Fearless154 mine was pretty good in the rain (lite throttle applications ) but it did get heavy when you are on it, my 10 is heavy on fuel all the time (non stock exhaust as was the 9 )
G'day Tom, fellow SP owner and weekend rider. Agree with all the negatives though the positives more than overlook them IMO ;) One other thing I've found is the amount of engine braking, particularly when turning off the cruise control can catch you out. Also the lack of options for an exhaust system is a bit annoying. Either really expensive titanium systems or just slip on options is a bit poor for a shared flagship platform. Keep up the good work mate, enjoy all the vids!
Worst part of the MT-10SP is it's not yet available in the USA. Informative vid, thanks m8, looking forward to the review you mentioned towards the end.
Riding with Tom:- heated handgrips are an option for mt10’s take a look at Yamaha’s website
Is the Yami throttle snatchy? I took the new GSXR 1000 out and it just felt dangerous. The Aprilia RSV4 ride after was so good I purchased it , fueling and confidence was on another level
Makes me even happier that my daily ride is a Tuono Factory, but still want to try the MT10SP
Tom, you can get a leovince decat which had a resonator. It fits the akra and it doesnt drone. Even tickover isnt loud for neighbors.
Yeah, but de-catting is a real trump voting wanker thing to do. Not cool.
About the fuel economy, I have the R1 and the FZ-10 (Or MT-10) ... And you have all the reason with the terrible fuel consumption, in particular I realized that the MT-10 consumes fuel faster than the R1, which from my point of view is wrong, to be a naked bike dedicated to be used a little more in town than the R1...
60MPG from my 2018 Super Duke R and well over 200 miles to a tank,that's riding a mixture of motorway and twisty roads.
Not sure why the MT is so thirsty because that engine is bloody fantastic.
Hi, nice vid! I use my MT10 since it came out and equipped it with Ktech race suspension and other goodies like full exhaust. I also use it to race it on the track :) My opinions for improvements are: Have the comfort seat too but found the original seat because of the low seat hight to be better. Breaks: get a different break pump like a brembo 18/19 or something similar. I use the 17 from the R1 and the breaks works million times better. The stock break pump is junk. M4 Brembo break pads and you are in business. Full Exhaust system and dyno. Wheelbase is to short. Get longer chain to put the axle to the back. Huge improvement. Wouldn't shorten the gear ratio as it is short already. Mine has enough to make it longer. Wheelbase will make it a weapon. SP Suspension was not sporty for my taste but thats a matter of taste. Stock suspension is so so, definitely can recommend KTech shock wich will transform the bike. Tires: I use Dunlop D212GP Pro .
Cut the footpegs to 2/3rds of the length to make more room for my legs and stop it from scraping all day. I actually like the low footpegs. I just put a lower flatter ABM handlebars on it as the stock one is super high. Have not tested it but should be fine. Can recommend the KTech IDS cartridge as they are not too expensive and great.
Not sure if you're a mechanical noob or just bad at explaining what you meant, but cam chain tensioners themselves dont make any noise. It's the lack of tension due to their design that results in that noise you hear.
Glad you mentioned about the clickiness during warmup, My 2015 FJ-09 (Tracer 900) had a cam tensioner recall and I had the new one installed but still had major clicking during warmup and it kind of bothered me since no one really mentioned that it was common and normal for these bikes. Been taking care of the bike with oil changes every 2500m since I like to peg the throttle haha. I was looking at a 2017 fz10 and am considering adding the naked 1000 yamaha to my collection
Do you have footage of the three exhaust configurations? Ie, stock, stock with slipon, link pipe with slipon? I had an MT-10A and am about to get an SP. The A was definitely quiet - almost too quiet to be noticed, even with the slipon, and I'm considering getting the link pipe in the future,. but if it's as loud as you say I'd be concerned about getting defected
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A pad change makes a big difference with initial bite, it's all you need.
I commute in Melbourne on an S1000RR and thought my fuel economy was bad at about 7.4! Best commuter though - heated grips, cruise and so narrow I can fit through small gaps. I find with the upright bikes the handlebars always seem to be right at mirror height.
Yeah my Daytona with the mirrors folded in was a lane splitting beast, but shit was a passenger, mt10 way better
Yeah I've never taken a passenger - it looks very uncomfortable though.
the s1000rr is super-comfortable as far as super-sports go!
I LOVED the seat on this! Wow, difference of opinion.
150km? ouch! I have to say this is down to your style for sure. I average 190km before reserve out of my 15 R1. That's with commuting too the mountains and then fun there.
Have you done ecu flash or dyno tune on your r1 because stock yamaha's fuel mapping are terrible. My stock mt09 eats more fuel than my zx14.
I agree with you on every point, the fuel economy is terrible on my mt10 as well.
My mt09 eats more than my zx14.... XD
Suddenly I want a wr250r!
BEST FRICKEN BIKE!
Buy a WR450 and motard it!
Have you ever thought, that you might get better fuel consumption, if you learned to use the gearbox properly and changed up from 1st? I've had mine for 3 1/2 years now and the fuel consumption isn't brilliant, but mine has never been that bad. Here is the UK, there are speed cameras in some areas, but you can wind the bike up pretty quick away from towns and then get some pretty big numbers showing, but we do use all 6 of the gears. Absolute piece of cake to get up to way past 120..........that's mph.
Hey Tom,
Do you commute every day, come sunshine and rain? If so, what gear do you wear to keep you nice and dry, when it rains?
I mostly wear textile waterproof adventure gear
I found a screaming deal on a '18 with almost no miles. Didn't need it because I just bought a new 3rd gen '21 mt09 last year. I can ride mt09 HARD and get 35-40mpg. My mt10 has de cat link and flashed. I get 25-30mpg, just the price of admission for the mt10.
The standard exhaust sounds great to me. Like a beast.
You use this bike for commuting primarily? Why not getting a pair of dad jeans(GS, Multistrada)? For commuting they have better fueling, better comfort wise. Same width handlebars should make it as easy for filtering?
I was tempted to get an adventure bike but I still wanted something cool and exciting for the twisties, I can see an adventure bike probably coming soon for me though, I’m getting old...
Thanks for the response. I can understand why. I'm struggling with what to get next. Crazy taxes here, means i can only get one bike. Hyper naked or a travelling pair of dad jeans. :D
Tom, can you please do a review of the Kawasaki Z900RS Cafe?
Just my 2 cents:
1. You don't buy a liter bike for fuel economy, so I'm not even sure why you mentioned it...
2. Probably a valid point, but it's not meant for tight turns on trails.
3. Yep stock Yamaha seats suck on all of the MT line.
4. I've heard the front brakes aren't so amazing compared to the R1 or S1000, have you considered any upgrades?
5. No comment, I personally like heavy clutches.
6. Has Yamaha issued a TSB? I had a problem with my FJ-09's cam chain and Yamaha rectified it with their most recent update.
7. No comment
8. No comment, same on my FJ-09.
9. That could definitely be annoying.
10. Time to go with a full system! The growl is phenomenal. Just do it. Or don't, it's your bike.
11. Flash your ECU. Everyone who has done it says the bike really wakes up and everything smooths right out.
12. Cruse is nice when doing a 150+ mile roadtrip at the same speed.
13. Key FOB is nice on a car, haven't heard great things on bikes.
14. Factory heated grips aren't available are they?
Totally jealous, we can't get the SP model in the states.
My car does low speed cruise control, it's great for when you are doing 40 in road works.
It's really a bit sad how fuel economy has deteriorated from the FZS 1000 -> FZ1> MT10. You'd think it'd be getting better with each generation...
Personally I would prefer to have a small commuter bike like a XSR700 which also has a flat seat for 2up and low fuel consumption and a second bike for the fun times
Insurance and rego is a killer, I already have like 6 bikes
Just get a MT09. It's the perfect balance of all.
A lot of these complaints might just be Yamaha in general.
I have an XSR700. Pegs are too high for my GF to ride with me, also had to get lower ones.
Stock is quiet as shite. Mirrors are garbage, even if you get the nuts apeshit-tight, they still flap inwards if you go on the highway, had to replace those.
Only 75hp, 700cc's and I get about 5,4 liters/100km, Also city commuting.
My stock saddle is comfy as hell though.
Compared to my 2016 Rocket it's a moped gas sipper!!!! LOL!! My Rocket gets the same mileage as my 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK!!!! Lol! I fill her up, 6.2 gallons and get 116 miles. Best highway so far, 31.5 mpg. Maybe I should keep it under 85mph...
The cross plane crank engines are thirsty from what I've read,
Do you still have the MT10? Trying to get my head around such poor fuel mileage (yes I have had multiple 1000 including two S1000RR) so I understand but you know what it’s like here in Aus...we don’t have petrol stations on every corner
I ride two up all the time like you with my wife, got tracer foot pegs, they are really good and looks OEM. I wasnt happy with the Brakes specially two up on my SP. Spend some money, got Brembo RCS19 master, Brembo Gp4-rs calipers and Frentubo braided lines, and now my brakes are as good as the Ktm super duke GT i used to have, even better. also have Graves EVR exhaust and Flashed Ecu the bike is very good now. but i am thinking of converting the Clutch cable to hydraulic with either Frando or Magura units, as in traffic the clutch is a joke, is far too heavy and you need to keep adjust it :/
You nailed all my issue w/ the SP.
Thanks Tom, you just saved me $20K. The front brakes are deal breaker for me.
Sam I am I have mt10 sp and brakes aren't that bad as he's saying and I came from my track day ready cbr 2008
Also only break pads change is needed to get them feeling and working much better. Don't throw away this amazing bike!
Thanks Davor Bertovic for you comment, I'll have to test ride one and see for myself.
I had a zx6r 2007 with the grabbiest, strongest brakes ive ever used on a motorbike. The MT10 is not nearly as sharp but the brakes will pull you up. Better pads change the game however.
Brakes are perfectly fine and I come from a gixxer1000 with EBC Extreme Pro pads, Motul RBF600 fluid and braided lines
No dont get it. I come from an old swedish Cresent bicycle with the kind of brakes that bite the sides of the rims. This mt10 can’t even keep up with those. 10/10 worst brakes ever. My 2 year old son could stop the mt10 faster by pinching on the brake disc.
15:25 i love the sudden change in your voice haahha
Appreciate the insight as this is one of the top bikes on my list of "next bikes"
Splitting traffic without gloves .. crazy. Nice bike.
'.. not the greatest seat in the world .. " ahahahaha, buy a fkn couch man :D :D
I owe exactly the same bike and all those bad qualities disappear when compared to the huge and numerous qualities it has, wouldn’t use it as a commuter though. It’s a naked hypersport and hyper sophisticated motorcycle. Btw what about wearing some gloves?
It gets slightly better when its run in. I get 173km before reserve
What's the wind like? In particular I hate most naked bikes in the winter because I either have to wear yet more bulky gear or deal with cold legs. With a fully faired bike I can wear jeans even when it's less than 0 degrees.
I never notice it, people always seem to complain about wind on naked bikes but it never really bothers me
I love how quiet it is, also the mt09 , when going slow it almost sounds like an electric. I agree having a super loud exhaust all the time would get old quick. The stock seat is like a board on the mt10, slightly better on the mt09 and yes both bikes are thirsty but I didn't expect great fuel economy, still a lot cheaper than any of my other vehicles. Brakes feel fine to me, I did get mirror extenders and radiator covers, but other than that they are both great bikes.
is that how you usually ride, with some random unnecessary throttling? Damn that's probably why you get bad mileage. i get 183km before hitting reserve on my Ducati 1100evo and it only has a 13litre tank
i agree on the volume issue. Same bike, same issue for me. Still trying to find a solution
c9a Leovince decat has a inline resonator which takes the top off the loudness of running a decat
I know and still is not enough for me. I am looking into adding an Exup valve to a leo vince decat link pipe
What about running the cat box but with a really open slipon? Curiously, I ran it like that for 1 ride to judge it and it was a nice increase in sound without being loud and bassy.
The cam chain noise does my head in , i am still running my bike in and i might even get rid off it as i hate mechanical noises that should not be there .
Really? Keep it surely, if you know it's nothing exactly wrong then don't worry about it. MT 10 is an awesome machine
Too much tech on that bike for me, I'd rather have throttle cable, one ride mode, and regular suspension.
Hi can you please help with the link or details of your passenger foot pegs please. My wife has the same issue with the factory pegs being so high. Thanks in advance!
HAd an FZ10 2 years LOVED it! Getting another , but they don't sell the SP here or I'd go that route for sure but no Go. Ugh. How much more is the SP new verses the base MT10 new? Curious the difference.
Maybe you just need to increase your grip strength, that would solve your braking and clutch problems.
I think he'd have trouble pulling up on just about any cruiser (and going by some videos he doesn't like those bikes 😂)
Great video desperate to ask you a question and I hope you pick this up, as you commute with this bike is it okay commuting through traffic. Or is it a pain in the arse
I have debating about selling my 2013 ninja 636 and moving to this bike as well.
With the front brakes wouldn’t they be in traction control? Or like my r6 and soon and you get a bit of heat in them they work better just asking the question just because I have a r6 and now I’m looking for something a little more comfortable and easier to ride on
Tfw you opened with the rabbit, and I immediately though what are you high that's some sedan not a Mk1 Golf? And then it was an actual rabbit. Reeeee
so in other countries you can get the sp version of this bike? which comes with what? upgraded screen and shocks
Fuel economy kind of bad? It's the worst of all the liter nakeds. Suzuki makes another 10-12 mpg (US) with the same displacement and weight.
Did you not have a descent test ride before spending your 20k? Doesnt sound like you did,and a good idea to take your pillion with you,i always do when buying a bike she may be on the back of reasonably often.
Pretty well thought out. Still alot of fun.
Nice bike. The only think that would bother me is the poor brakes. Commuting around Melbourne is terrible. Surprised you don't just bicycle, being 10km away from work and all. Would be quicker!
I did ride an e bike everyday last year but my wife finished uni and started working at a hospital which is literally on my way to work so we started commuting together on the bike
I would try the yoshimura full system. I use mine with baffle in, and sounds awesome. I agree i do think the akro is too loud. Lemme know if you want to hear it, also have some advice for fueling aswell.
I'd like to ask, if anyone has compared these two bikes. What would be a reason to buy this over a BMW S1000R? In my country they're at the same price, and the SP model costs quite a lot more than the BMW S1000R.
Did you get anything? Just tested the MT-10 today and was blown away. I have to test the S1000R, but I'm in love with the engine and futuristic design of the MT-10.
My 03 R1 can get 50 mpg if I keep the revs low. lol.
I have an MT-09, I'm interested how do I find those lower foot pegs?
Thanks 👍
Needs a steering damper if it doesnt have one already.
It has one, electric one to
Can't believe people who whinge and whine about fuel economy when they buy a bike with a sports bike engine in it even though it has been softened, get a fucking 125 or a scooter if you don't like paying for fuel.
And the list goes on
The chain is CHEAP 10k miles tops. Stock tires are well, stock tires. Buy HH brake pads. The same tank size on the tourer, deal breaker for me, any tourer should at least have 300km range.
Did you think of the s1k beema before pulling trigger on the mt... It has all the goodies you are missing on the mt10sp...E.g heated grips, brilliant brakes etc...
Yeah I had one for 2 weeks when my s1000rr was in the shop, it was great but a bit boring, can’t explain why, also I’ve had 2 s1000rr’s and wanted something bit different
What rider has ever complained about fuel economy
Does the display dim a fair bit if using polarized sunglasses?