Hey man. I mentioned this on another channel regarding the noise in the shadow. For c-log 2 you really need 12 bit to handle those shadows. So if you shoot 4k60fps it doesnt have the bit depth to handle c-log 2. Only shoot c-log 2 if you are filiming in 24p/30p raw. Also I'm sure you are quite familiar with this but some people are not. RAW video is by design noisey because theres no noise reduction in camera like non raw profiles. So its expected to apply NR in post. Good video.
Hey James. Thanks for the info! I actually notice it alot in the 12 bit as well, but that makes sense when it comes to the 10-bit. What denoiser programs have you used?
@@DannyGevirtz I tend to use neat video last right before rendering. Idk if you would be interested in looking at resolve but I know their noise reduction is much nicer on the processor than PPcc
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Yeah i dont add the neat until the last possible second of editing haha. I def will pick up resolve soon, I just have never really found it necessary on most of my projects to this point
Probably won’t ever own this camera because I’m not at that level yet, maybe I’ll buy it used down the road, but it still was super informational and I appreciate all the quality camera information I can get. Thanks homie!
Hey Danny! I love checking in each week now to see what videos you've come up with. I'm not even a canon user but I just wanted to show up and give your video the support! You put so much work into these. By the way I love your setup for these- I like how you're not perfectly central in frame like most vloggers- You're going for the pro vibe. I like it! That aputure light is lighting you so well too. I want one! -Anyways, great video as always! Keep them coming!
Just picked one up too. Love it. Wish it at least did internal hd 10 bit 422 or 4K 10 bit out for bigger client jobs needing broadcast specs (without having to shoot raw). The 8 bit is pretty impressive though. Awesome vid!
C300 doesn't record prores. C200 really just lack the 10 bit codecs the C300 has. And you can shoot 4K in the c200 it's just the 8bit mp4 or AF codec at 150 mb/s. If exposed well, it will provide a beautiful image. Also keep in mind to really use anamorphics fully, you need a taller sensor. EF or PL mount is less the issue of having a sensor that's not 4:3 and therefore being unable to use full height of anamorphic lenses. Alexa Mini may tick all those boxes for you down the road. Love the videos over all, keep it up!
Well you can use 1.33x crop anamorphics on it, which aren't easy to find. The Alexa mini is awesome 8 times more expensive haha. Thanks for all the info!
Danny Gevirtz yah the 1.33s are fun, but 2X really has a different look. Absolutely worth renting tho, and Alexa Mini rental rates are dropping a lot too. Look at the new Atlas Anamorphics too, would be worth a look. ALSO! Canon does modify the c200 with a PL mount AND wooden camera makes a mod that’s 800 bucks. So there are options just permanent ones :).
very interesting stuff on the C200! Hadn't really looked into it until I saw you had it. Curious what focal length / lens you're shooting these on? Yewww!
Thanks for checking it out brotha! Focal length for these youtube videos or for actual work? For these talking set ups I have my sigma art 24-70 2.8. I have it at 35mm which concerts to a 52.5mm
Yo dude! Actually just got a 18-35 haha. I was really missing that extra space with the 18 for certain projects but but for most things the 24-70 is champ
I think overrall I just notice a softer highlight roll off with the c200 at any frame rate so I think that carrying over into the 120fps is what makes the c200 better for me. The 1dx 120 is super impressive tho.
Hey Danny Gevirtz, if you had the choice of up grading from 5D mk IV which camera would you go with. For weddings web promo and short films. Budget 7000ish
Agreed on all the points and although shooting 2 stops over does take away the noise, it really annoys me to have to do that. I’m gonna sell and buy a Gemini next month
The reason for no ProRes or internal 10bit is for Canon to protect the c300. If they offer everything (or more) than what the c300 does, no one will purchase the c300. It’s frustrating no doubt, but they have a range of cameras they have to protect. If they only had one cinema camera they would probably throw everything in to it and it would be unreasonably expensive. Just my thoughts.
Hi Danny Gervirtz. I'm also a proud owner of a C200 and my biggest issue s the Video Movement. Whether I film in 24p or 30p, I always see motion stutter when the subject move. Even if I perform a still shot on a tripod, I still see the shutter. I thought it was just me but when I looked at Canon's promo video of the camera I noticed that they experience the exact same issues on both drome and still shots of the car and landscape. This annoys me because on Sony FS7 and Blackmagic's Ursa cameras I don't see this issue at all. However, from the quick look at some of your videos, I noticed that your footages appear to be buttery smooth and filmic which is EXACTLY what I want to achieve. I thought the issue might be my post-production work but that doesn't seem to be the case. Can you help me out by letting me know what I am doing wrong or the perfect settings I should be filming in to achieve silky film motion, please? I would be incredibly grateful if you could help out. To help, I mainly shoot CRAW
watched your like/dislike c200 vids. thanks for the effort and the sharing. i welcome any other c200 thoughts-step by step workflow at acquisition, at edit, at distribution. i think there are folks looking hard at the c200 as a more thoughtful replacement for the fs7 and would welcome additional insights. thumbs up.
I'm planning to get the c200 and is aware of the "8bit or raw" flaw, would getting a Ninja V be helpful? (does the c200 have 4k 10bit output from hdmi?)
Yea def frustrating having to shoot raw with the insane file size. The clog2 has a lot of noise in the shadows for sure. I prefer to use clog3. Fingers crossed canon might give us an update late 2019 for 10bit 422 after they release the c300 mark iii. Also one more thing to add to your 5 flaws is not being able to save 4K mp4 to cfast card.
To add to the things you mentioned there's a few things I find annoying that don't seem as talked about. The most annoying to me is that there's only one sdi, I really wish there was a second. Also you can't use sdi and hdmi at the same time. Basically it means I can't have an on camera monitor that's bigger w/luts for myself or an AC, and at the same time send a signal to a bigger monitor for director/producer. It has to be one or the other which is so frustrating and limiting. You mentioned anamorphics. With this camera you're really limited to 1.33x. The C700 has an anamorphic shooting option that would allow for 2x lenses which are those nicer ones you're talking about. (The ursa mini and gh5, and other cameras in this general price range also have anamorphic options). Another thing is no timecode or genlock. Honestly I know very little about sound, but I just know sound people are always complaining about that. Also about the lack of pro res. If it wasn't in the camera but you could record externally that'd be annoying but doable. However they've made it so you can only get true 10 bit pro res in 2k or hd, and not 4k. So frustrating. I think this is a great camera for solo shooters but once you want to add some more people or use it with a crew it becomes a head ache. And there's so many small things they keep this camera from doing which kind of make it a hassle to work with sometimes. Honestly if they fixed all the small things I could probably live without the pro res. Pro res would be fantastic though.
I agree with all of this! Very true on the 1.33x which makes it even worse because its not often you come across a 1.33x anamorphic lens. Most of the work I use the C200 on is solo projects, so that being said, I can't complain much.
An on camera monitor that has a sdi/hdmi out would solve the monitor issue to some degree atleast. You can't get a clean image to one and not to the other etc, but atleast it's something.
@@carlscinema7086 True, and it's what I do with my atomos shogun. But it's another work around. Which is kind of the whole story with this camera. It doesn't just do stuff, you have to fight it. Gets pretty frustrating.
Well there is a workaround, which you probably know. You want to be able to record 10bit prores internally. recording it externally anyway makes kinda no sense since it is only 10bit 420. I'm thinking about getting the c200 myself. the first thing i'll gonnaa purchase is the solidPod. compared to c-fasts the ssd's are quite cheat. enough space to fill up with all the raw data. afterwards i can transform all the raw-files direct to prores 10bit 422 clog3 onto my computer and get rid of the large raw's. of course it's a little bit time consuming, but who cares. get yourself a burger at fiveGuys and start editing the proxies you simultaneously recorded to your sd-card...
D.E. SIGNS you can buy the handgrip and separately or with the camera. It’s an accessory. The C200b doesn’t just have a missing eye piece but I heard canon removed the record and function bottom connection for the grip. So, if you decided to use a grip and hit record it wouldn’t work. I wanted to know if this was true.
While watching i just balanced my new BMPCC4K on my even newer Moza Air 2. Just incredible how high end you can shoot with less money today... I can even hold my whole setup in one hand while writing this camera. Such setup which is able to deliver movies for the cinema, Netflix, etc
Hey Renan, there's actually a way you can encode the raw files right away to 10bit 422. Canon posted a video about it. Idk why they don't just put it into the camera...
@@DannyGevirtz Yeah man, thats crazy! I made some tests with 422 10bits recorded with an atomos shogun and the internal 420 8bits. To be honest with you, the difference is almost zero, I was just able to see difference in my 5k monitor with really insane crazy color grading, going crazy with HUEs to see some advantage on the Shogun footage.
Danny Gevirtz I use the EOS R and recently bought the -5-35mm f2.8 and decided to move to 4K but man..., the crop is too much 😭 I can’t even use my nifty 50 anymore! How’s the S35 on the C 200?
Native ISO of the C200 is 200. ISO 800 is +6dB. I have no noise shooting RAW in ISO 200. If you want shoot in lowlight, take the BMPCC 6k. No noise reduction applied: ruclips.net/video/ID2uzMkkkSE/видео.html
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Hey man. I mentioned this on another channel regarding the noise in the shadow. For c-log 2 you really need 12 bit to handle those shadows. So if you shoot 4k60fps it doesnt have the bit depth to handle c-log 2. Only shoot c-log 2 if you are filiming in 24p/30p raw.
Also I'm sure you are quite familiar with this but some people are not. RAW video is by design noisey because theres no noise reduction in camera like non raw profiles. So its expected to apply NR in post.
Good video.
Hey James. Thanks for the info! I actually notice it alot in the 12 bit as well, but that makes sense when it comes to the 10-bit. What denoiser programs have you used?
@@DannyGevirtz if I'm editing in resolve I use the built in noise reduction and works well. If I'm using premiere, I use neat video.
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Yeah I use neat as well but it just slows everything down so much.
@@DannyGevirtz I tend to use neat video last right before rendering. Idk if you would be interested in looking at resolve but I know their noise reduction is much nicer on the processor than PPcc
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Yeah i dont add the neat until the last possible second of editing haha. I def will pick up resolve soon, I just have never really found it necessary on most of my projects to this point
Probably won’t ever own this camera because I’m not at that level yet, maybe I’ll buy it used down the road, but it still was super informational and I appreciate all the quality camera information I can get. Thanks homie!
Hey Danny! I love checking in each week now to see what videos you've come up with. I'm not even a canon user but I just wanted to show up and give your video the support! You put so much work into these. By the way I love your setup for these- I like how you're not perfectly central in frame like most vloggers- You're going for the pro vibe. I like it! That aputure light is lighting you so well too. I want one! -Anyways, great video as always! Keep them coming!
Thanks so much Andie! Love your support man. Yeah I like to switch it up sometimes. It makes it a little more cinematic haha
Just picked one up too. Love it. Wish it at least did internal hd 10 bit 422 or 4K 10 bit out for bigger client jobs needing broadcast specs (without having to shoot raw). The 8 bit is pretty impressive though. Awesome vid!
Thanks dude! Yeah it sucks but I agree.
Tyler Edwards Get a GH5 for those specs or an EVA 1! Lol
ANGEL CASTRO nah I’m good haha. I’m very happy with my Canon gear. 👍🏼
Tyler Edwards I hear you man, lol. Great vids, keep them coming!
C300 doesn't record prores. C200 really just lack the 10 bit codecs the C300 has. And you can shoot 4K in the c200 it's just the 8bit mp4 or AF codec at 150 mb/s. If exposed well, it will provide a beautiful image.
Also keep in mind to really use anamorphics fully, you need a taller sensor. EF or PL mount is less the issue of having a sensor that's not 4:3 and therefore being unable to use full height of anamorphic lenses. Alexa Mini may tick all those boxes for you down the road.
Love the videos over all, keep it up!
Well you can use 1.33x crop anamorphics on it, which aren't easy to find. The Alexa mini is awesome 8 times more expensive haha. Thanks for all the info!
Danny Gevirtz yah the 1.33s are fun, but 2X really has a different look. Absolutely worth renting tho, and Alexa Mini rental rates are dropping a lot too. Look at the new Atlas Anamorphics too, would be worth a look. ALSO! Canon does modify the c200 with a PL mount AND wooden camera makes a mod that’s 800 bucks. So there are options just permanent ones :).
Keep up the dope content dude! Always excited to see something up from you!
You're the man Jordan! Thanks for the support man!
What are your thoughts on the Canon C200 vs BMPCC 4K & 6K ... which is better to get?
Can you solve the RAW problem by using the Atmos Ninja V? (The no pro-res problem)
very interesting stuff on the C200! Hadn't really looked into it until I saw you had it. Curious what focal length / lens you're shooting these on? Yewww!
Thanks for checking it out brotha! Focal length for these youtube videos or for actual work? For these talking set ups I have my sigma art 24-70 2.8. I have it at 35mm which concerts to a 52.5mm
@@DannyGevirtz Oh yes I meant the shots of you! Awesome thank you. I just picked a sigma 24-70 up the other day! Loving the stabilization
@@ChaseViken for sure man thats why i wanted it over the canon l
For the Pro res thing, what about using an Atomos Ninja 5?
Hey Danny what do you think of the sigma 18-35mm compare to the 24-70mm sigma for the c200?
Yo dude! Actually just got a 18-35 haha. I was really missing that extra space with the 18 for certain projects but but for most things the 24-70 is champ
Danny Gevirtz appreciate your feedback!! Do you own a 70-200 or have any experience with f4ii vs f2.8ii?
Random question: how would you compare the 120p from the c200 to the 1DX Mark II 120p (other than c200 lacking AF)?
I think overrall I just notice a softer highlight roll off with the c200 at any frame rate so I think that carrying over into the 120fps is what makes the c200 better for me. The 1dx 120 is super impressive tho.
Danny Gevirtz Sick man thanks for the reply! Dude, your channel is gonna grow like crazy. Can’t wait to see more content.
@@TylerEdwards Thanks brotha. Your support is much needed haha. Its tough when the views are low
Danny Gevirtz haha ya man I’m in the same boat. Just keep posting content and your channel will get huge in no time!
Hey Danny Gevirtz, if you had the choice of up grading from 5D mk IV which camera would you go with. For weddings web promo and short films. Budget 7000ish
Agreed on all the points and although shooting 2 stops over does take away the noise, it really annoys me to have to do that. I’m gonna sell and buy a Gemini next month
Haha the Gemini is a beast. Do it! REDs are just such a pain sometimes.
What do you shoot?
The reason for no ProRes or internal 10bit is for Canon to protect the c300. If they offer everything (or more) than what the c300 does, no one will purchase the c300. It’s frustrating no doubt, but they have a range of cameras they have to protect. If they only had one cinema camera they would probably throw everything in to it and it would be unreasonably expensive. Just my thoughts.
Hi Danny Gervirtz. I'm also a proud owner of a C200 and my biggest issue s the Video Movement. Whether I film in 24p or 30p, I always see motion stutter when the subject move. Even if I perform a still shot on a tripod, I still see the shutter. I thought it was just me but when I looked at Canon's promo video of the camera I noticed that they experience the exact same issues on both drome and still shots of the car and landscape. This annoys me because on Sony FS7 and Blackmagic's Ursa cameras I don't see this issue at all. However, from the quick look at some of your videos, I noticed that your footages appear to be buttery smooth and filmic which is EXACTLY what I want to achieve. I thought the issue might be my post-production work but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Can you help me out by letting me know what I am doing wrong or the perfect settings I should be filming in to achieve silky film motion, please? I would be incredibly grateful if you could help out. To help, I mainly shoot CRAW
Try the C200 Facebook Group with this question! You may get a response, it has over 5000 members my friend. Have a blessed day!! Jesus loves you!!!!
I knew it wasn't going to be a really negative video, haha!
I really think Canon should pay you....i never see more emotional comercial abouot a camera! LOL great job
hahah i think they should too thanks again!!
Your videos ahh man Thankyou I really appreciate them I’m from the uk by the way 🇬🇧❤️
Thank YOU! Your UK support means everything to me Danyal!
watched your like/dislike c200 vids. thanks for the effort and the sharing. i welcome any other c200 thoughts-step by step workflow at acquisition, at edit, at distribution. i think there are folks looking hard at the c200 as a more thoughtful replacement for the fs7 and would welcome additional insights. thumbs up.
Thank you so much for your videos. One question, why not the C300 Mark 2
Thank you man! it was cheaper, smaller, had a nicer lcd monitor haha thats it.
@@DannyGevirtz LOL, thanks man.
When did Canon put prores in the C300? The specs on their product page make no mention of that, internal recording is done using H.264
I think that was a mistake. You can’t shoot ProRes on the c300 MkII (at least not internally).
Amazing but i still prefer the ursa mini 4.6 g2. Feels more steady
Im dying to test it out. Id honestly prefer the g2 for the mount swap and the anamorphic abilities
Exactly what took me there. The mount. It's great camera but definitely not for low light.
Does AF work in 60fps on this camera?
Hey Danny! Do you have any tips for denoising footage or combating noise on the C200??
yeah i edit in clog 3 or shoot at 640 iso vs native
I'm planning to get the c200 and is aware of the "8bit or raw" flaw, would getting a Ninja V be helpful? (does the c200 have 4k 10bit output from hdmi?)
Gavin Shen nope just hd 10 bit.
I don't believe so unfortunately! Thanks for checking out the video!
Yea def frustrating having to shoot raw with the insane file size. The clog2 has a lot of noise in the shadows for sure. I prefer to use clog3. Fingers crossed canon might give us an update late 2019 for 10bit 422 after they release the c300 mark iii. Also one more thing to add to your 5 flaws is not being able to save 4K mp4 to cfast card.
Haha I know fingers crossed man! Yep let's add that one to the list!
Ayo thanks for being honest.... fr
You a real one.👊🏿
How do you afford all of this gear ? What do you do for a living ? Just curious
Hey Chris. I answered this for you on your other comment. I'm a director and DP. I work very hard.
To add to the things you mentioned there's a few things I find annoying that don't seem as talked about. The most annoying to me is that there's only one sdi, I really wish there was a second. Also you can't use sdi and hdmi at the same time. Basically it means I can't have an on camera monitor that's bigger w/luts for myself or an AC, and at the same time send a signal to a bigger monitor for director/producer. It has to be one or the other which is so frustrating and limiting.
You mentioned anamorphics. With this camera you're really limited to 1.33x. The C700 has an anamorphic shooting option that would allow for 2x lenses which are those nicer ones you're talking about. (The ursa mini and gh5, and other cameras in this general price range also have anamorphic options).
Another thing is no timecode or genlock. Honestly I know very little about sound, but I just know sound people are always complaining about that.
Also about the lack of pro res. If it wasn't in the camera but you could record externally that'd be annoying but doable. However they've made it so you can only get true 10 bit pro res in 2k or hd, and not 4k. So frustrating.
I think this is a great camera for solo shooters but once you want to add some more people or use it with a crew it becomes a head ache. And there's so many small things they keep this camera from doing which kind of make it a hassle to work with sometimes. Honestly if they fixed all the small things I could probably live without the pro res. Pro res would be fantastic though.
I agree with all of this! Very true on the 1.33x which makes it even worse because its not often you come across a 1.33x anamorphic lens. Most of the work I use the C200 on is solo projects, so that being said, I can't complain much.
An on camera monitor that has a sdi/hdmi out would solve the monitor issue to some degree atleast. You can't get a clean image to one and not to the other etc, but atleast it's something.
@@carlscinema7086 True, and it's what I do with my atomos shogun. But it's another work around. Which is kind of the whole story with this camera. It doesn't just do stuff, you have to fight it. Gets pretty frustrating.
true. Which is why im not sure if its worth getting or not. >.
I think it is!
Ladies this is the camera for us in 2019!
Definitely haha!
so what you doing to handle noise? I struggle with it too
Seems like the C300 Mark ii has everything you wanted in the C200. You gonna buy it?
Probably not haha. Running my c200 into the ground
@@DannyGevirtz Smart choice.
Well there is a workaround, which you probably know. You want to be able to record 10bit prores internally. recording it externally anyway makes kinda no sense since it is only 10bit 420. I'm thinking about getting the c200 myself. the first thing i'll gonnaa purchase is the solidPod. compared to c-fasts the ssd's are quite cheat. enough space to fill up with all the raw data. afterwards i can transform all the raw-files direct to prores 10bit 422 clog3 onto my computer and get rid of the large raw's. of course it's a little bit time consuming, but who cares. get yourself a burger at fiveGuys and start editing the proxies you simultaneously recorded to your sd-card...
Touche. Yeah I'm aware of this workaround, just annoying its an extra step. Obviously it wasn't a make or break for me haha
I have the ninja v and shoot pro res with the EOSR
shooting 4k raw is not a limitation...
limitation = drive size
I heard the hand grip on the c200B doesn’t function. Is that true?
What hand grip? The "B" stands for body only
D.E. SIGNS you can buy the handgrip and separately or with the camera. It’s an accessory. The C200b doesn’t just have a missing eye piece but I heard canon removed the record and function bottom connection for the grip. So, if you decided to use a grip and hit record it wouldn’t work. I wanted to know if this was true.
Orion anamorphics have interchangable mounts.
That's awesome to know!
Thought this would help me shoot better fake c-log 1080p with my 200d, mint camera though lol.
Lol at number 5 😂
Hahaha Couldn't think of anymore, no timecode could be added tho...
Hey man atlas makes EF animorpics for a really good price.
Thanks Keston! Great to know this!
While watching i just balanced my new BMPCC4K on my even newer Moza Air 2. Just incredible how high end you can shoot with less money today...
I can even hold my whole setup in one hand while writing this camera. Such setup which is able to deliver movies for the cinema, Netflix, etc
Btw. it can do Prores ;)
Absolutely! Its amazing
it doesnt show you clog 3
and no timecode!
Maybe you should have went with an Ursa Mini? ProRes!!!
Haha nah black magic wasnt for me
Hey Danny, whats your workflow when clients require 10bits 422?
Hey Renan, there's actually a way you can encode the raw files right away to 10bit 422. Canon posted a video about it. Idk why they don't just put it into the camera...
@@DannyGevirtz Yeah man, thats crazy! I made some tests with 422 10bits recorded with an atomos shogun and the internal 420 8bits. To be honest with you, the difference is almost zero, I was just able to see difference in my 5k monitor with really insane crazy color grading, going crazy with HUEs to see some advantage on the Shogun footage.
@@renandearaujo.official I also did some tests and I agree with you. It's super impressive!
What are tour thoughts on the C70?
Seems cool haha I don’t know much about it honestly
Danny Gevirtz I use the EOS R and recently bought the -5-35mm f2.8 and decided to move to 4K but man..., the crop is too much 😭 I can’t even use my nifty 50 anymore! How’s the S35 on the C 200?
🤔start filming......
Native ISO of the C200 is 200. ISO 800 is +6dB. I have no noise shooting RAW in ISO 200. If you want shoot in lowlight, take the BMPCC 6k. No noise reduction applied:
ruclips.net/video/ID2uzMkkkSE/видео.html
Too much of first world problem.... Get a Atomos Ninja V for Prores Recording.
Danny: Calling $7500 C200 Affordable Camera
Me: Looking at my Canon SL2 and things i had done to afford it 😶
you hate raw! 🤪
I swear to god