The Rise, Fall and Revival of British Post-Punk
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2022
- How did we go from Joy Division to Black Midi? Well in this video I give a brief history of Post-Punk specifically in the United Kingdom and hopefully answer that question
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Post-Punk is a pretty broad genre. It basically encapsulates anything that is inspired by punk but also brings in other influences such as Jazz, Reggae, Disco and experimental music. Post-Punk began to rise in the early 80s with amazing bands like Joy Division, The Smiths, The Cure and Wire. However the genre was a little short lived. Shortly after Joy Division released their influential album Unknown Pleasures, the genre started to decline in popularity
Now-a-days though there are some incredible Post-Punk bands being started. Obviously Black Country, New Road just released their amazing album Ants From Up There, just a short year after For The First Time. Last year, Black Midi released Cavalcade, the follow up to their album Of Schlagenheim. The band Shame also released Drunk Tank Pink last year. Along with Dry Cleaning releasing their album New Long Leg and IDLES releasing Crawling. Squid released Bright Green Field and there are so many other bands releasing music and it makes it such an exciting time for the genre
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Thank you for watching this video! What's your favorite post punk record? Mine at the moment has to be Deciet by This Heat, it sounds so fresh despite being released in the 80s! Make sure you join our awesome discord community to talk about music and life :) - discord.gg/Mspd8fHFeZ
I love the smiths and the cure
1. Interpol - Turn On The Bringht Lights
2. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
3. The Cure - Disintegration
4. New Order - Low Life
5. The Chameleons - Script of The Bridge
6. Molchat Doma - Etazi
7. Siouxsie and the banshees - Tinderbox
8. Killing Joke - Night Time
Albums from a different genre bands with heavy Post punk influences:
1. Depeche Mode - Violator
2. Radiohead - Kid A
3. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
4. The Strokes - Is This It
Fontaines DC its my favorite band of this New Wave of Post-Punk
@@jaemelancholy1684 Proper music.
@@escourge323131 Why the hell do you have Interpol at the top? They’re so inferior to every other band you listed.
The Cure! Loved your video. Great presentation and your excitement carries through
One thing to note about the current wave of UK post-punk bands is that I think there is a distinction to be made between the broader contemporary post-punk bands like Idles, Dry Cleaning and Fontaines DC and the much more specific "Windmill scene" which is where black midi and Black Country, New Road are. The Windmill scene is so named because those bands all originated by playing in a club in Brixton called the Windmill and are still very heavily involved with that venue currently. It's sort of like a CBGB type thing. Other bands in the Windmill scene include Squid, Shame, Goat Girl and Yard Act. black midi and BCNR tho have undoubtedly come to be the core of the Windmill scene - not only are those two bands by far the most innovative and acclaimed bands in the entire contemporary UK post-punk scene, but they are also really good friends with each other personally/offstage, and have played numerous times together as "Black Midi New Road". Geordie Greep even said I think that he was adamant that Black Midi New Road would eventually record an album together as one band at some point. Very exciting stuff, black midi and BC,NR are easily two of the most rewarding bands to follow right now.
i prefer call them "the windmill scene" than nEw pOsT puNk
i don’t think black midi or bcnr have a really post punk sound, so never understood why they are grouped in with all these bands aside from being british and guitar bands. i think for the first time had a more post punky sound but not ants from up there. and hellfire feels more prog rock than post punk.
@@jodijodijodi Yeah I kinda agree with this, and I see it as further proof of the "Windmill scene" being a distinct entity from the general contemporary UK post-punk scene. Black Midi and BCNR both started off playing post-punky stuff and were thus lumped in with the rest of the 3rd wave of UK post-punk but very quickly ventured off to become something very different, with Black Midi adopting a more prog rock sound and BCNR adopting a more orchestral and baroque sound. I also failed to mention Jockstrap, Georgia Ellery from BCNR's other project, who are very much part of the Windmill scene yet were never post-punk to begin with. So yeah, I think we can all agree that by now the Windmill scene is very much its own wonderfully weird thing.
One other thing to note is that they were probably all privately educated and therefore share little in common with any original post-punk bands
Fontaines DC played the Windmill in early UK gigs. Strictly not part of the scene but they were certainly involved for a time.
I've said for the past few months now that growing up with these bands in London will be the formative music of my young adulthood and I'm ok with that
I'd be ok with that too!
What I consider to be the greatest largely unknown post punk band of all time is The Sound. Frontman Adrian Borland draws a lot of comparison to Ian Curtis given that both of them made some incredibly dark and morbid music and sadly, both committed suicide. The Sound's original debut was set to release in 1979 but was shelved and instead their debut album Jeopardy! released in 1980. It's a raw record, retaining a lot of the energy from the original UK punk movement; Adrian himself is responsible for the first self released punk LP in the UK which came out in 1977 under his first band The Outsiders.
His lyrics are some of the best in the genre, and his own personal struggles can be seen all over his music. He suffered from schizoaffective disorder and jumped in front of a train in 1999 after two decades of going sorely overlooked in the industry and being in and out of psychiatric institutions. The Sound's second album From the Lions Mouth is an absolute masterpiece and deserves so much more attention. It's dark, introspective, desperate and at times furious. He must've been in a huge depressive episode during its creation because it's bleak as all hell. Strangely, his songs contain a lot of hope somehow. In the midst of all that torment he found a way to make a faint light shine brightly.
YESSSS. I love Adrian and The Sound! Adrian Borland was absolutely an unsung genius!! My favorite Sound album is All Fall Down and my favorite solo album is 5:00 AM, with probably my favorite song of all time being Over the Under!! 🖤🤍
@@curly_wyn I LOVE All Fall Down, it’s super underrated. Party of the Mind, Where the Love Is, Monument etc are all fantastic songs. I also agree with 5:00am.
I keep the lyrics to Before the Day Begins in my wallet for when life feels unbearable. Remind myself to stick around. I miss him so much.
@@massivegat5087 Awesome stuff, man! Keep spreading the good word of Adrian and The Sound! 🤗✌🏼
I loved them as a young teen in the early 80s. But much like Tears for Fears I left them in my teens. There were a million other bands to get into at the time.
"Let me know if you missed anything"
Juju by Siouxsie and the Banshees
That is all.
Thanks for adding that in!
Can't agree more
Juju is amazing. Also Gang of Four's Entertainment! Also, 2 bands who began before even punk happened but had huge influence on post-punk: Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire
Great video. I would also consider Siouxsie and the Banshees as an irreplaceable part of post punk's history and one of the pioneers of the genre. The evolution of Siouxsie's music from punk to avant garde, experimental and finally post punk also shows the link between punk and post punk and how the latter was built upon the former through experimentation and a post-modernist philosophy.
She literally made it real for Joy Division and early New Order, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, later Smiths and The Cure won’t even be The Cure without Smith working with her as a concert guitarist.
He didn’t even mention Siouxsie in this video and that really frustrated me… mentions the white stripes but not Siouxsie…
@@Xottapchenko it is idiocy and real stupidness but also an sign of misogyny
Nice video primer on one of my favorite genres! The only big one I didn't catch you mention in the early days of the genre was Siouxsie and the Banshees. Especially Siouxsie's first album from 1978, while a little more punk leaning, was big in developing the more gothic sound that Joy Division/Bauhaus/The Cure and even Siouxsie herself would go on to define. Robert Smith actually played in Siouxsie's live band for a little while between Cure albums, around the time he was writing the Pornography album I think. Also, in America, the band DEVO was at the forefront along with Talking Heads and others at their brand of post-punk that sorta merged into New Wave once the 80s hit. But I know this was more focused on the British scene.
The one band I wish I heard more people mention in the same breath as Joy Division or The Cure or Siouxsie -- is The Chameleons. They got started in the early 80s so they weren't the ones who created the sound, but they are just so damn good. I feel like they were one of the earlier bands along with Cocteau Twins to take things in a more melodic and atmospheric/dreamy direction which had a big influence on shoegaze 5+ years later. Check out their 1985 album "What Does Anything Mean, Basically?" for a good example of the shimmering dreamy guitars mixed with driving post-punk rhythms. Amazing stuff and still sounds fresh today.
I think others have mentioned some of the great modern post-punk bands coming out of North America like Parquet Courts, Ought, Protomartyr, and Preoccupations but it's cool that you focused in on the British scene because that's where that NEW NEW stuff is coming from for sure. Also worth mentioning the UK band "shame" and the Ireland band Fontaines DC. It's been surreal to see the Belarusian band Molchat Doma sorta break into mainstream culture recently too through Tik Tok memes.
Thanks for adding in all those points! I’ll have to take a listen to Siouxsie’s stuff along with the chameleons. The only Cocteau Twins album I’ve heard is Heaven or Las Vegas, which I love. I know that’s a more dream pop/shoegaze album but I’ve read that their earlier stuff was more post punkish. Shame is definitely a fantastic band. Their album last year was one of my favorites! Sadly I listened to it after I made my top albums of the year video hahaha
The first use of the term " Post Punk" was in a writer trying to describe Siouxsie and the Banshees in an article written in I believe the NME. How do you not mention them in any article about Post Punk?
@@andrewnelson3751 it is idiocy and real stupidness but also an sign of misogyny
You’re talking about post-punk groups like The Cure, Joy Division, etc. but you didn’t mention Siouxsie and The Banshees. Siouxsie literally inspired Curtis and Smith was her guitarist before The Cure’s biggest post-punk works. And don’t forget the “true post-punk” (or actually experimental post-punk, as most people call it now) Throbbing Gristle - they’re like Fugazi of post-punk (Fugazi is considered one of the first actual posts-hardcore groups but the post-hardcore we know now was actually “mainstream post-hardcore”)
Smith already was more focused on the cure. He merely agreed to stand in for the banshees until they found another guitarist.
I really enjoyed this video! You gave great short summaris whilst staying very informative. Keep up the great work!
great video! hope your channel grows!
awesome content dude, glad I found your RUclips channel !
Love this video, I've been saying this for awhile now. When I first found Squid with Houseplants, I fell in love, they're probably my favorite band right now, and it opened up the new wave of UK post punk to me. It's the most excited I've been for music in awhile and I hope it's what people think of when they look back at the 2020s
The Fall, Echo and Xtc. Can't love them more. RIP Mark E.
Good video! Another very good early post-punk band was Magazine formed by Howard Devoto, he was Buzzcocks' original vocalist. Their first album "Real Life" is great and can be considered as one of earliest records of the genre, because it was released in early 1978
I love every band you cited fantastic choices. I hear/see so much about the death of music since the start of the millennium and then I discover someone like you who obviously puts the effort in and you're a wealth of knowledge
Thank you very much I look forward to hearing new things @ all times I appreciate you brother
Solid & straight forward history. 👍
I'd say you missed The Psychedelic Furs, almost undoubtedly had the best 3 album run in post-punk and are up there with the most influential bands in the genre if not of all time.
Yes. The Psychedelic Furs are most definitely one of the main post punk bands. The first four albums definitely, and the John Peel Sessions. I have seen The Furs four times from 1982 to 2023, and their music is classic post punk that helped shape my world view. I have to say their eponymous first album and Mirror Moves particularly make my soul happy. ❤
and they are still touring and it was a great show@@gentillygirl545
I would go with Magazine's Real Life from 78 as the first post punk record. New Wave was a term used to enable Punk bands to avoid being banded from gigs - generally used to define less confrontational bands like XTC. You missed Bauhaus, The Sound, Comsat Angels, The Psychedelic Furs
SOLID vid kyle
Thank you!!
I think a super important band you missed was The Jam. Their first two albums (both released in 1977) is pretty typical British punk, their middle two albums (All Mood Cons in ‘78 & Setting Sons in ‘79) I’d classify as post-punk, then their last two albums I’d call early new wave. Lead singer Paul Weller disbanded the group on his own accord in 1982 & formed the Style Council, which was new wave/soul-inspired
I've never heard of them. Thanks for mentioning them, I'll have to check them out
@@KyleReidMu they never made it over to the States, but were a pretty well known band back in the UK. Their four post-‘77 albums were all in the top 10 best selling albums of the year, and they had 4 songs that got to #1. Paul Weller’s post-Jam career had a lot of highs and lows but is still a super well respected musician there.
The Jam clearly can be seen as punk and new wave in their later recordings but above all they are seen as the leaders of the mod revival which was this wave of bands and kids who brought back the mod subculture of the 60s, the main 60s youth subculture before hippies. Other bands in the mod revival were Secret Affair, The Chords, the Purple hearts and the mod revival also became huge in California in the early 80s with bands like The Untouchables. A related development to that was 2Tone (the Specials, The Selecter, The English Beat, Madness) which was about bringing back ska music from the early 60s and mixing it with punk and new wave. The original 60s mod bands (Small Faces, Yardbirds, The Who, The Kinks) alongside the Jam influenced in the 90s Britpop (Oasis, Blur, Ocean Colour Scene, Sleeper, Echobelly) and in the 2000s the british post-punk revival (The Libertines, The Kaiserchiefs, Art Brut, Maximo Park) which was also about dressing up elegant with suits like the mod subculture
A good band but I don't think they were ever really post punk, except for maybe on the Sound Affects album where they got a bit experimental in places. They were in fact one of the first bands to be labelled new wave in the 70s, before the mod revival sprang up around them.
@@KyleReidMuThe Jam are quintessentially british, but there is such a wealth of brilliant songwriting in their catalogue.
A Kyle video on my favorite genre? It's not even my birthday.
Also, I'd argue that Iggy Pop's debut solo album, "The Idiot" is probably the first post-punk record. It came before anything else developed in the genre but it's hard to describe it as anything but Post-Punk. Additionally, it's worth looking into the bands that came just before the new revival of Post-Punk and inspired some of those artists like Iceage, Protomartyr, Seagulls, Ought, and Parquet Courts
Oh dude I love Ought! I don't know why I've never thought to classify them as post-punk but they definitely fit that vibe
Maximum Respect. You have obviously done your homework and know what you're talking about. Kudos!
thank you!
i like how at 5:55 you read out my spotify library
Great vid! I do have two little nitpicks though:
- New wave and post-punk basically started out as interchangeable terms, so one didn't really come before or after the other (in fact, the term "new wave" originally described punk bands very early on). It's just when it sort of split into two factions - one being more radio-friendly and the other being super artsy - that a distinction emerged.
- I'd argue The Strokes were more important to post-punk revival than the White Stripes. Both were essential to the popularization of the genre, but the White Stripes's music was more important to the side of it that's called garage rock revival (even if the terms are pretty much synonyms), with classic rhythm n blues-influenced bands like the Black Keys or Spoon.
Love the video! U got a new sub!!
Thank you so much!
man i love how passionate you are about music, there are hundreds if not thousands of music review-ish channels on youtube, but none bring that young burning excitement to the videos like you do, keep having fun and lovig music man.
also i know you are not into metal/heavier music, but i think there is a lot of music in the genre that you would enjoy (i think idk) if you ever feel like dipping your toes; opeth - pale communion, candlemass -epicus doomicus metallicus, leprous - malina (metal elitists will say those are not "true" metal albums and that's ma point tbh, gateway drugs i guess haha)
Hey sorry I just saw this! I really appreciate this comment :) Metal is definitely a genre I can see myself making a video on in the future
tbe video, good job
Thank you :)
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Siouxsie and the Banshees The Scream is widely considered the first post punk album. Television’s Marquee Moon cannot be considered because it was not released post (“post” means after). Some consider it proto-punk but listen to it again - maybe because of the band attitude and it included Richard Hell in the band.
So, protopost-punk?
@@BreakthroughGD maybe!
Nah, post-punk is not a temporal genre, meaning it doesn't just mean "after punk", post- is more of an aesthetic prefix highlighting groups that were experimenting, deconstructing and or rejecting the basic sound, aesthetic and ideology of punk rock in order to make something new, think of it as "post-modern" punk, post-punk is a reaction of punk. Earlier post-punk bands like Television, DEVO and Pere Ubu were reacting to and deconstructing their own form of "punk" which was encapsulated in garage rock, rockabilly, experimental and "proto-punk" music that has been around since the early '60s to late '50s. These forms of music heavily influenced bands like Television.
Just gotta say: I LOVE SHAME SO MUCH!!! They're like my favourite band this year, saw them live 2 weeks ago and it was the best day of my life, Sean gave me the setlist and Steen was just Steen. Coolest band alive rn
Very cool video! Only thing i would mention is that the newest wave of post punk in Britain could be more classified like art rock, especially black midi and black country new road
Ya I definitely agree. Especially that new BCNR record
I feel like post-punk and art rock have always bled together a bit. Bands like Wire, Talking Heads, Mission of Burma, Magazine, Pere Ubu, and others have straddled the line between the genres to varying degrees. But yeah I can agree, both BCNR and black midi took big leaps between their two albums, their debuts being closer to traditional post-punk and their follow up albums expanding into prog, jazz fusion, and more emphasis on art rock and post-rock sounds.
Pere Ubu & Devo made post-punk music in the mid 70s before punk was big ;)
i dont think you've understood the distinction between new wave and post punk here in the UK
Another great band (and my personal favourite) that was overlooked in this video is Yard Act. Their approach is a lot more minimalistic than the others but they're no less creative in my opinion and they're also I think the only one out of the big current ones to come from from up north. The lead singer James Smith has a really witty northern attitude, definitely some influence from Pulp. The guitarist Sam Shipton is also brilliant in a very chaotic way and the bassist Ryan Needham lays down these quite simplistic but also really powerful basslines that the rest of the band plays around. Really worth a listen as they're a perfect example of how diverse the post-punk scene is. Personally as a Brit I'm not a big fan of Sports Team. I don't think they're all that creative compared to the rest of the scene and their interviews really annoy me because they're so bloody middle-class it annoys me, they literally all met at Cambridge Uni lmao. Great video tho!
I hear Yard Act mentioned a lot but I still haven't checked them out. Definitely going to check them out soon though because everything you said about them sounds super exciting. Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@KyleReidMu hope you enjoy! Some of the lyrics are likely stuff that Americans can't relate to because its very much all about different types of British people. But their US tour is doing really well so I may be wrong lmao
The vast majority of these bands met at performing arts schools and the like and are all "so bloody middle-class" as you put it, nothing wrong with it
an interesting take for sure
Post punk from the former Soviet bloc is really fuckin awesome too
Yes, and it became it's own thing, like phonk
That was a great video. I love all of those bands and think they are examples of using music to talk about real issues without being too preachy. One band I wished you mentioned would be the clash although they are considered punk not post punk they were pretty close and were active in this period. The new post punk from Britain is also going to be talked about and poured over for decades to come.
I think would categorize The Clash as post-punk as well as punk. London Calling especially as it sounds like the album took inspiration from a wide array of genres and kind of separated them from the punk scene (at least in my mind)
Dude i just know that this channel is going to be big and when that happens I'll be like: yeah i was following him when he was at 3000 subs 😎
Aww that makes me really happy to read. I appreciate it!
great video , i would say tho new wave wasn’t really started by new order , the term was coined by the talking heads manager to disassociate with the punk scene so technically talkings heads were the first new wave band
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great video, could you do a video on the somewhat related post-hardcore?
I haven't really listened to the genre a whole lot but maybe if I get more familiar with it, I will!
@@KyleReidMu Hope you do, its one of my favorite genres!
fantastic video mister kyle
Thanks mister cool guy
Hi, Kyle, this material is stuff I like in particular. I know who a lot of the nineteen eighties' bands are, and if somebody brainy asked me to name a seminal post-punk band, I might name The Fall.
Having experienced the post-punk revival, I'm aware that at the time it was a revival. I think that may have lessened the fun a bit at the time, but what sets you apart here is how you've included the new bands you name, some of which I might be able to recall long enough to find on Bandcamp or this platform. It surprised me that you did not use the word "subculture," since in my thinking if somebody challenged me to put into words what post-punk is, which for the most part I understand the same as you do, I would suggest it's an aspect of a music subculture from the 1980s.
Ya I agree that it does seem like the genre is sort of a subculture of music. I just like to think of it more of its own genre rather than a subculture though. I think there's enough great bands and albums that came from the subculture to warrant it being it's own genre even if it is a really broad genre category
My favourite new (ish) band to come out of this scene right now is Courting!! They have the catchy choruses and riffs of the 2000s bands but with the punk edge of the current scene. They had an EP last year and their debut album is out in September which you should check out when it drops, singles have been fire!! They also have Fantano's approval if that even matters lol
I think I've heard of this band! I'll keep an eye out for that new album when it comes out and check out some of their stuff
It's really fun seeing someone outside the UK actually know about this brilliant music. There's a small percentage of people who know this music that live in the UK, nevermind the U.S. Honestly, seeing something like this pop up was really exciting.
Also, here's a few (UK) bands who you might like:
The Cool Greenhouse, Crows, Opus Kink, Chubby & the Gang, Moreish Idols, Dead Letter, Enola Gay, Yard Act, Benefits, Public Body, Courting, Mouthparts, Mush, and so many more. 😎😎🤠😎😎😎
dude the post punk scene in russia is huge, molchat doma especially is kind of a big ,but still indie band. The scene's also vibrant in hispanic countries, mainly Mexico and Spain. "Voy a Darte Todo" by La Texana is a great song by a great band. I love this song especially because the accordion that plays in it really gives a latin vibe to it. Depression Sonora is a solo artist from Spain and honestly one of my favourites in the post punk genre. His name literally translates to "depression sound" and his biggest song is called Ya no Hay Verano which translates to "There is no summer" and judging by the lyrics and when the song came out, its pretty obvious that its about how shitty life is when living in the middle of covidd. "Hasta Que Llege La Muerte", "Generecion Perdida, Divercion Prohibida" and "Gasolina y Mechero" are kinda big songs of the last few years and are fucking catchy as hell, uhm if you speak spanish that is lol. anyway his songs all have lyrics about being anxious about early adulthood and just general doom and gloom. Y'know, typical post punk lyrics. And as for other countries I know it's pretty big in european and Latin American countries. such as: LIke I said earlier Mexico, Spain, and Russia; but Its also big in Portugal, Brazil, Romania, France as well as Argentina and Chile. Anyway yeah i hope you read this comment and it helps inspire you to make another video on the subject. If you do you really should make it about post punk in countries outside the U.K and U.S.
really glad you posted this comment cause i am so sick of everything in the western world focusing on british or american music. as a working-class immigrant in canada i find the whole culture of it kind of unrelatable, especially when it's all boys. i also love latin music and the spanish language so i'll definitely check out everything you listed (i already know molchat doma) thanks for this!
Molchat Doma is actually Belorussian group, but you’re right - just as it was in late 80’s and early 90’s, NWORPSPP (new wave of post-Soviet post punk) is huge, just as it is in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico.
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I always see Molchat Doma as basically new-new wave. Really exciting band.
Criminal that you didn't mention the birthday party. One of the best bands around.
Nick Cave for the win.
Hey, cool video! I'll have to check out some of the current UK post punk groups you mentioned. I like Dry Cleaning, Black MIDI, and IDLES, but want to explore some of the others you mentioned.
I think if you're into Black MIDI, check out the album Acre Thrills by the 90s post hardcore band US Maple. I don't know if they took influence from these guys or not, but they have a similar "what the hell am I listening to" thing going on. I think BM might have also been interested in 70s No Wave, a noisy offshoot of post punk music from NYC - specifically stuff like DNA and James Chance & The Contortions.
Awesome, I'll have to check those bands out. Thanks for the rec! I also recently listened to In The Court of The Crimson King by King Crimson and that album sounds like it inspired Black Midi a little (they even did a cover of one of King Crimson's songs) so if you're looking for more Black Midi-esque stuff, definitely check that out if you haven't already
@@KyleReidMu Hey, yeah King Crimson's cool! I didn't know about the cover or make the connection though. I'd like to hear that. Thanks man
Have seen SHAME live. Never heard of them, didn't expect much and was BLOWN AWAY.
The Stranglers' and the Damned' are right there from the start.
An interesting thing to note is that there are 2 meanings the prefix post-x
The first is the one you defined, which is the nebulas movement away from a strictly defined genres character istic, and does refer to the many proto-genres that are spawned during post-scenes. And the second is the specific name of a subgenre that arrives and takes the name for its own, but that genre has strictly defined characteristics and is not interchangeable with the first definition.
One is a movement with no specific characteristics beyond moving past the limitations of x genre, but is not a genre itself more of a state subgenre can form in, and the other is very specific and has its own stylistic limitations.
But having 2 completely different meanings for the same prefix makes it incredibly easy for people to mix it up and call the experimental phase a genre like you did in the beginning.
We should have all agreed to call the genre Post-x with a capital, and the polymorphous experimenting movement Post-x with lowercases decades ago.
We love to see it. Also Australia
What are some good Australian bands? I'd love to check them out if I haven't heard of them already
@@KyleReidMu Skegss, Amyl and The Sniffers, Violent Soho, The Chats, WAAX, and for sure King Stingray (only three singles so far, but didgeridoo solos!). Pretty solid post punk/rock scene going on down there. Tons more of course
@@caryhenderson3565 - and let's not forget their predecessors, like The Hard Ons, GOD (My Pal
YEAH DRY CLEANING WOOO
The Sound-"From the Lions mouth"Is the best post punk album ever released..!!!
Hey Kyle! I loved the video extremely. I have a question. Is the smiths and the cure actually considered post punk? Or is it more leaning towards Indie/Alternative rock..its difficult to say according to google and some articles..i would love to be clarified
Hey! I'm glad you liked the video. I feel like there was a point in the late 80's / early 90's where a lot of stuff that could've been classified as "post-punk" started getting classified as indie rock and I personally believe that bands like The Cure and The Smiths were a big reason for that shift. I guess it kind of depends on who you ask but I would still personally consider those bands post punk. It is sort of an interesting middle ground though
can you do a video about the post-punk scene in eastern europe?
Not mentioning Molchat Doma on a post punk revival vid? 🤨 Otherwise, great job! 😁
Interesting stuff, have a listen to Colossal Youth by Young Marble Giants, Metal Box by Public Image Ltd and Cut by The Slits. There’s loads of great stuff out there from late 70’s. Weird thing is that there are 60’s bands like Can (check their album Monster Movie) who sounded very post punk ten years before post punk came about! Oh yeah have a listen to the first album by Suicide from ‘77, it’s post punk but not as we know it 😎
Yessssssss, Colossal Youth is one of my favorite albums of all time! Also Suicide is as well. One of the most revolutionary acts in music history!
I know a lot of people are mentioning Siouxsie and the Banshees, because obviously Joy Division and them were apart of the British positive-punk/goth rock revolution, though admittedly Joy Division were far less theatrical than goth became thanks to Siouxsie. The American/LA goth scene AKA deathrock is probably far too punk oriented to truly count in this discussion as well, as much as I love them. Cocteau Twins and 80s era 4AD are more leaning that way too. (Yes, I'm a goth girl, so I know.)
But this channel seems to be focused more on generalized, even modernized post-punk than on such a specific niche as the goth scene. So I'll suggest these: Public Image Limited (PIL) is John Lydon's band after The Sex Pistols, which pretty easily outdoes much of his work as a punk. Incredible, experimental post-punk. Others who lean in that artsy and abstract direction are Pere Ubu and Au Pairs. Of the gothic-leaning but not goth bands, Echo and the Bunnymen is one of my favorites. Next to the Banshees, they were of the first bands to introduce me to gothic culture as a teen. Someone mentioned The Chameleons, who also lean that way. All good stuff.
Should’ve mentioned Interpol who pretty much carried the torch of Joy Divisions sound to the 2000’s but great video nonetheless.
They're from New York though! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@KyleReidMu your video is fuckin trash
No, they just got compared to them, and Interpol sucks ass.
If you want to know where the post-punk scene turned to (Goth wise) for music look into darkwave. its the postpunk+goth+Synthwave bastard child and its so god damn good. Also there are a ton of big post-punk groups in NA as well; namely Twin tribes (though it is a bit of a one hit, its still showing that theres a big want/love for it in NA still)
love that barely audible Jet Set Radio music in the background
In regards to what you said about "Unknown Pleasures" ane your glowing like towards it, Gang of Four's "Entertainment!" is arguably the most important. In the post-punk genre, nothing has or possibly will eclipse that record.
So I am assuming you consider bands like Wire, The Slits or Buzzcocks post punk. They were around during the first wave of punk yet sound completely different than the Sex Pistols, The Clash and the Damned. Granted Wire's second and third albums help create postpunk due to their difference from the original British Style.
It is widely accepted that Siouxsie and the Banshees created the first Post Punk album.
SWANS
FURS
BUNNYMEN
SUICIDE
TELEVISION (pre-punk)
PERE UBU (pre-punk)
What about The Sisters Of Mercy?
whats the album on the bottom right at 6:02?
Crawler by Idles :)
Public Image Limited was also a huge influence in the post punk world
Glad the The Fall at least got a mention. Pere Ubu and Cocteau Twins should have too.
Thought Post Punk is loosely defined as bands that came out of the dire economical condition under Thacher administration between 1977 to 1978. They happened to embrace dub, tribal beat, Kraut rock, and reggae but don’t have any signature sounds per se aside from being daringly experimental. I wouldn’t count the Smiths as the post punk band…don’t even know how all the new bands could call themselves Post Punk.
imo the band that kickstarted the post-punk revival in the early 2000s was interpol you can clearly hear the joy division and magazine influences in their early stuff more than on The white stripes’ music (or even the strokes’) which is more reminiscent of garage rock bands of the 60s. Otherwise, great video !
Wire are the OGs
Fontaines DC are doing a great job at preserving that raw post punk sound
The post punk Generation already are
Check out Drastic//Automatic if you're looking for some fresh UK post-punk peeps :)
Thanks for this and some of the earlier bands you mentioned certainly ring true! But just wondering why do you/people think a band like Black Country, New Road sound post punk?? I think they sound more like early 2000s indie folk. I would more consider more underground bands like Terry, Soft Kill, Protomartyr and more goth adjacent etc to be more post punk than Black Country New Road :) I got what you meant about Drycleaning!! :)
What revival we never went away
Were the strokes and the white stripes postpunk? I think more garagerock but please let me know.
Look, you nearly got it right but Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures was not necessarily the most important post punk record. I was a teenager into punk music when Unknown Pleasures was released, so was two of my older brothers and friends, and as fantastic as it was, Unknown Pleasures wasn't the first or the most important post punk record. We had already been listening to The Scream by Siouxie and the Banshees (they played a famous gig in Bristol where I'm from earlier in 1978 - I wasn't there but they became popular in my city after), and First Issue by PIL in 1978. Those records were released a long time before Unknown Pleasures, even before the Great Rock n Roll Swindle album by the Sex Pistols. If your just talking about a record, whether an album or a single, the most important one was probably the single Public Image by PIL. That was so different when it came out people just didn't know what to make of it, because it was the first post punk record anyone had ever heard. That single, and the First Issue album, was released before The Scream by the Banshees, and both were released the year before Unknown Pleasures. Post punk was already a fact when Joy Division did their first LP, and the phrase 'post punk' had already been coined by none other than John Lydon himself to describe the type of music PIL was doing at that time... Sorry, but I'm very old school and I was there..!
Though arguably Magazine beat even PIL to it when they released Shot By Both Sides.
I am not fully sure but I think Is This It and Room on Fire by The Strokes are post-punk, garage rock I guess... I have been struggling to find bands which have similar FUN-DAY vibes and sounds to their music... I found The Libertines which were like really really "Rough sounding version" of the strokes with their own flavour...
But I still struggle to find a project as fun to listen to as those 2 strokes albums... Do you know any albums like them?
I also wished to ask if you could tell if the "Garage Rock" genre sounds like feel I want? I actually know nothing about that genre... Have been pretty interested in exploring garage rock...
I'm not really too familiar with the Garage Rock genre either but I think it's totally worth diving into if you're interested. I think if you're looking for stuff similar to the early Strokes, I think maybe check out more bands in the kind of "post-punk revival" genre. Bands like Interpol, Bloc Party, hell even maybe The White Stripes! I personally am a huge fan of Interpols first album and that might have some of the vibes that you're looking for
@@KyleReidMu 😶but I have heard all of them... I never listened to elephant properly tho... Will try sometime...
Those albums are tagged as "Garage Rock Revival". Which is a mix of Garage Rock (fuzzbox-distorted and sometimes lo-fi guitar melodies, shouting or screaming and an instrumental more inspired in classic rock than in punk like The Stooges) + Indie Rock. Both "Is This It" and "Room on Fire" have influences of the Post-Punk Revival movement (Post-Punk + Indie Rock) not in all of the tracks but specially in songs like: NYC Cops, Soma, Hard To Explain, Alone Together, What Ever happened, Reptilia, 12:51, The End Has no End, and most of the songs featured on the Third Album. The best album of the Post-Punk Revival I can recommend is Interpol - Turn On The Bringht Lights they're also from NYC and used to hang out with The Strokes.
@@escourge323131 Oh that makes sense... I want something that can categorise Barely Legal, The Modern Age, Alone Together, Hard to Explain, Soma, Automatic Stop, Meet me in the bathroom and ones like that... Lemme see what I can discover from there... What do you recommend?
Not a bad attempt to summarise something that's difficult to summarise. A couple of important bands in the transition from punk to post punk were Magazine and John Lydon's post-Pistols band PIL. A few quibbles. Firstly the influence of Joy Division on goth is often overstated - Siouxsie and the Banshees were more important , and it was Bauhaus (not The Cure) who really did more than any other band to define the genre in the early days. Secondly (and this is a difference between the US and the UK more than anything) , new wave in the UK was an early term for punk and later came to mean the poppier more accessible end of punk eg the Boomtown Rats. In the US it's associated with the 80s British invasion. No one in the UK ever called New Order new wave as far as I'm aware. Thirdly, the Arctic Monkeys are not post punk unless I've missed something. But like I say a good attempt, and you are right about the experimental nature of post punk and the different influences that artists were using.
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Good overall historical overview. You left one thing unmentioned, though.
Apart from your maximum defintion of the term there's a more minmal understanding, which you should have mentioned. The maximum definition defines post-punk, including but surpassing the terms of its historical origin, as almost just slightly more experimental alternative guitar music in general (and in that form being almost not distinguishable from indie or alternative).
The minimum definition though, and not less used I think, is a very well definied style that's basically copycating Joy Division, including bands suchs as Soft Moon, Molchat Doma, KVB, Soft Kill etc. Their soundscape is rather focused on the bass, wide reverb guitar single notes and deep male bariton voice. The minimum definition of post-punk also is tied to a somewhat very peculiar kind of dark, gothic aesthetic of graveyards, machineries etc. again copycating Joy Division.
I am absolutely not saying these bands I mentioned are more interesting than those that you mentioned in the end, on the contrary. Just saying, that this should be mentioned to understand the term a little better. I find the maximum definition almost a little useless as it's so imprecise, still I'm using it on my own band's band bio anyway though lol.
I love your editing and style. You make the topic very entertaining and engaging. Look forward to more videos
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
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Go check out the band 'Moin' another exceptional recent band from the uk
shame siouxsie isnt mentioned here
So whats the difference between Post Punk and New Wave? He said New order started out/continued as a Post Punk band and than became New Wave. Which as someone who grow up in the scene at that time I would love to hear the modern definition.
did you know that outside of certain large groups in England(not Britain, not Europe, and not here in the US) Joy Division was NOT the big named T-shirt band it is today? Very few people, even in the scene itself, had ever heard of them and if they did it was just "Love will Tear us Apart".
Now there are going to be those who dispute this and there is a pretty good chance they were one of those who jumped on the Joy Division train in the late 1990s to early 00s when it became fashionable to have that train pulled on them.
I always have found post-punk much more interesting than punk. It just has a wider range of moods and types of bands. But it's the gloom-and-doom post-punk bands that I really love, the proto-goth and darkwave bands. And the British bands are the best at this. And, honestly, Siouxsie and the Banshees were there before the Cure or the Smiths and very influential at the time.
The Fall= Art punk.
You forgot Talk Talk
If we wanna talk of genre important and influential bands, I'd do not undervalue the impact and weight of Siouxsie and the Banshees, anyway.
How are you not more popular?
Haha thanks :)
You’re like the Frugal Aesthetics of music
Haha just looked up his stuff. He’s great!
you put a sock on the mic as a pop filter right?
genius
Hahaha yup!
Elvis Costello was another important artist.
lol I grew up around original Punk and you are styled like my Generation ?
Do any of you have any own Styles ?
The CURE
Hands down my favourite music genre
Same. Nice to see a kid doing his research and appreciating where things come from.
Not from UK but check out CRACK CLOUD