I kind of agree with you there! May be Vashti said "no" so that she could be removed to make room for Esther to fulfill God's plans of saving His people!
@@aliciabrock4444 you and Zondervan are taking a lot of liberties in believing something made up in your minds. You would do well to heed God's Word: Deuteronomy 4:2, Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. Deuteronomy 12:32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it. Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. Mark 7:13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.” Genesis 3:1-4 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.read more. The serpent said to the woman, You surely will not die!
Where in the Bible does it say “she is to come only wearing her crown”? The book of Esther is not about Vashti. It’s about God using Esther to save His people. To turn around and make Vashti, a character that did not serve God and had no desire to serve God, the hero of the story is to turn from God. If God wanted Vashti to be someone we looked up to, the book would have been about her. Let us focus on scripture and what God is truly trying to say in it. Not simply what we want from it.
Exactly. They are trying to twist this to be what they want. Esther was submissive and got more done than Vashti. Being submissive doesn't mean giving up her rights. It allowing the man to lead or APPEAR as the lead. Men naturally want their woman to have what she needs and wants as long as he isn't made to feel he's mistreated or taken advantage of. Let him feel like a King and get everything she wants out of him. It's very easy. And that doesn't mean don't have her own or be totally dependent on him. If they both have careers and she want a new car but would like him to pay half for the down payment, I can bet he does it without issue based on how well she takes care of him.
I don't agree. Vashti is also Scripture. Who are you to choose which bits of the canon aren't important. It was probably an incredibly brave act saying, no. Because of it or despite it, God's will was done
@@ProfYaffle I agree 100% that God’s will was done. It doesn’t change that Vashti is not someone to strive to be like. By this logic should we strive to be like Shimei, the person who cursed King David? How brave of him was it to curse the king? By no means, we glorify God for His mighty work, despite our failings. Esther and her uncle, Mordecai were in the wrong simply by being in Persia. God had told the people to move back to the land of Israel. Why didn’t they? The law of Moses, ordained by God, explicitly says that the Israelites shouldn’t marry outside of their culture and yet Esther married the king of Persia. The hero of this story is God. Not Vashti, not Esther, not Mordecai. That God had grace and mercy on sinners like us, and made us clean. For His glory. “For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.” Romans 11:36
@@imlearning.6614 You suggested we should not consider these verses. I disagree. I never said whether I thought we should look up to Vashti or not. Please read carefully.
Typology is a foreshadowing of things to come Queen Esther is a typology of God’s end time remnant church Vashti the first queen was called by her name by the King and she refused him (Jews) So the kingdom went to another woman (gentiles, remnant church) Esther - Beautiful chaste virgin Esther 2:7 God’s church - chaste virgin 2 Corinthians 11:2 Esther -Orphaned, Mordecai took for his own daughter Esther 2:7 God’s church- Will not be left orphaned John 14:18 Esther couldn’t come into the King unless called by her name she came in unto the king no more, except the king delighted in her, and that she were called by name. Esther 2:14 God’s people - called by His name Deuteronomy 28:9-10 KJV [9] The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways. [10] And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord ; and they shall be afraid of thee. The King Loved Esther above all the virgins - Esther 2:17 Set the royal crown upon her head Esther 2:17 God’s people- ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 1 Peter 5:4 Haman - Esther 3:1 set his seat above all the princes before him What did the devil want ? Isaiah 14:13 wanted his throne set above all the stars Not a Persian Esther - Others bowed and reverenced Haman Esther 3:2 End time deceived- received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. Revelation 19:20 Esther - Haman (name magnificent) represents devil full of wrath when Mordecai didn’t bow to him Haman sought to destroy all of God’s people Esther 3:5 Daniel 3:19 God’s end time church - not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Revelation 13:15 KJV Esther - There is a certain people ….their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws: Esther 3:8 God’s end time people - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12 Esther - she obtained favour in his sight: and the king held out to Esther the golden sceptre that was in his hand. Esther 5:2 God’s people receive Grace from Jesus - not deserving life John 3:16 Esther - Death decree to all the land Esther 3:13 End time church - Death decree to the remnant church who doesn’t worship the beast Revelation 13:15 Bride - if I perish I perish I must go before the King King holds out receptor - grace Psalms 45:6 Jesus is the King who extends grace to those who don’t deserve it King reverses death decree Esther - Many people of the land became God’s law keeping people Esther 8:17 God’s end time people - Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, Revelation 18:4 Mark of the beast Speak and cause as many who don’t worship the beast to be killed Decree to go forth against the people of God will be very similar to decree sent forth in Esther’s time Revelation 12:17 KJV And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Mordecai was at the gate Announcing that judgement has come Luke 13:24 straight is the gate John 10:9 KJV I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The Bible says Vashti was hosting many women during the Amazing day feast. She was not naked. the KING commanded her to come. Esther wasn't a punk either. Esther risks her own life to save her people the jews- "God's people. Esther 1-2 read the entire beautiful story
You're right. The story isn't in keeping with feminine stubbornness. I bet they would also disagree with Ephesians 5:33, "the wife must respect her husband."
He command her to come in order to be paraded, period, for her beauty - I feel like it doesn't matter if she was to be paraded naked or not. So I think her point still stands :) I wouldn't want to be treated animalistically by my husbands' partygoers whether I was clothed or not. So I like this perspective of her upholding her morals even though it cost her her (earthly) titles.
It doesn’t say only her crown and I’d be real careful about adding words to the Word of God. Your feminist bias is showing. Yes Vashti disobeyed her husband however her husband was very drunk and surrounded by many other drunk men. She did the right thing by refusing to enter the room and God used that bad situation to save His people. Since Vashti wasn’t killed for her disobedience, I’d say God protected her for doing the right thing. The king repented his decision when he was sober but couldn’t reverse it. He knew what he did was wrong when his head was clear. But God turns everything around for good. I love this book. She had a quite and humble spirit and she accepted wise council. God blessed her with favor with man and Himself.
I do not believe she did the right thing. She was honored as queen and wife and all the men present at the kings house had wives who were in the company of the queen. I did discern the hen party to be a control over how dare a man interrupt our time. I do believe it would have been one of those issues where she would have been paraded. BUT no one will make me believe if she were to be in the presence of the town folk strolling through seeing her countryside and people cheered her beauty she wouldn't have been thankful. If she can and am sure she did I think some gratitude of her privilege of being able via the king to host a party and not just have the men have a party a viewing of the queen was not a horrible option.
LOL, this person is an expert in OT? She says Esther is the woman that says "yes, and stays in power...and works the system" in contrast to Vashti saying "no, and losing everything". Is this woman serious? Go read the story for yourself. Esther lays down her crown, reputation, and most importantly, her life (!!) by going before Xerxes..... but let's listen to this professor tell us that she was a "yes woman" who did so to "retain power" and "worked the system to serve God". LOOLLLLLLLLLLLL
Believers should make decisions that please God Vashti made a decision that was pleasing to God. Esther also made a decision that was pleasing to God The important thing always Is being obedient to God
Yes, I’ve heard that Vashti did not want to be put on display for her beauty. I thought that was better reasoning than saying she refused the King’s request!
Vashti was not serving God but she was used by God, I believe that God hardened her heart to the King. God protects us from sin, even if you don’t serve Him, He also uses people/situations to serve the greater good which was the whole meaning of the book of Esther. God’s protection over Vashti can also be seen by her not being put to death for defying the King which would’ve been the standard at the time, she was given God’s mercy through the King’s response.
It’s easy to read our interpretations based on western ideology. Vashti was not a queen to be praised nor was her denial of the king something to be looked favorably upon. The text does not go into much detail concerning her refusal, we are left to our own devices but who was summoning her was more than her husband, it was the King. While his behavior was deplorable, she lacked wisdom, probably due to her “banqueting herself”. Ester showed wisdom and trusted God while Vashti was dishonorable and not wise 8n how she handled the King.
Yeah, I just looked up every reputable translation of the same passage, and none of them say only her crown. They all say “with her crown.” Not confident on how accurate this is.
Vashti's denial of Xerxes to come into the feast with only her Crown on was God's way of getting Esther into the picture for his glory, we are not looking to Vashti we're looking to Esther the hero from and for God and the survival of his people. Makes me wonder how you feel about Judas
Stacy J politics with all due respect to your late father, may he rest in peace, are you saying that he is a perfect human being and knew exactly what every bit of scripture in the entire Bible means? I guess he knew exactly when the second coming of the Lord is and other mysteries of the Bible that we won't fully understand until we are with the Lord?? ALL Pastors have been influenced by their teachers, and Bible commentary just like the one in this video. This rumor about vashti was originally spread by Jewish feminists and gained considerable stronghold in influencing many pastors and teachers. It completely draws attention away from Esther and God's secret workings behind the scenes. It also clearly shows that one must be humble, which Esther was, and very evidently, Vashti was NOT..
Your dad was a regular man and made mistakes. His relationship with God had nothing to go with you or anyone else. Seek what it means for you not just what you’re told
Long ago, when the women of Persia were honored and revered by their culture, they often held influential and dynamic positions in society. Aside from being mothers, they played many roles-teacher, politician, business owner, even soldiers. In fact, ancient women warriors of Persia were so powerful, neighboring male-dominated cultures in both Greece and Rome viewed them with a mixture of horror and fascination. Fortification tablets at the Ruins of Persepolis have proven men and women of the time were equally represented in all facets of life, and the battlefield was no exception. In Iran, DNA tests have revealed some 2,000-year-old bones of an entombed warrior found with a sword in hand actually belonged to a female warrior. Artifacts, research, and ancient tales clearly indicate some Persian women fought hard for their causes and claimed just as much glory on the battlefield as their male counterparts.
Vashti was hosting her own party at the time and was respected by all, including the king so it’s completely speculative as to WHY she said no but it is important to understand that had she said yes there would be no opportunity for Esther to become queen. Also take in the land at the time. Persia respected women and in high esteem. The king definitely did not tell that woman to come only in her crown but to come completely decorated in all her royal finery, like was later done to Moredecai as a thank you from the king for letting him know his chamberman plotted against them. This whole feminism plot came in because one of the women got to the king when he was angry that Vashti said no and said you should take her crown away as punishment or all women would feel it’s ok to snub their husbands too, not because women were weak and Vashti’s refusal would make them strong but because women were also powerful and revered and didn’t want them to piss their husbands off and make them feel weak… like the king was on top of being publicly embarrassed. This angle is all wrong
One of the women?? Which woman was seated next to the king in that moment? You mean it was a total display of the legalization of misogyny for the first time in Persia. The men were angry she disagreed to come down naked.
whatever the reasons for Vashti’s refusal, her demise opened the way for God’s woman to be placed in palace and to intercede for her people, thus preventing a genocide.
Elixofspice it was not a hall of drunken men. Total misunderstanding and interpretation of what was happening. Please read my other comments for full explanation
Don’t agree with most of what was said but I surely wouldn’t walk alone into a hall of hundreds of drunken men💀 Not even one. It was a reasonable denial. And to this day I always defend people who aim at portraying her as simply “disrespectful ex queen”
@@alexisthinksofstuffyes i do understand it but some people claim that the Persian Empire definitely Respected women and it's literally the King's Wife. No man is going to do her wrong
@@Rkive2q98 no man would ? Xerxes wasn’t the type of man to rely on anyway 😂 yea she disrespected him. But tbh I wouldn’t really have much respect for a man who ordered the sea to be whipped because his ship sunk and threw month long drinking parties. What kind of ruler is that. Anywho Vashti was not wrong. But she was not necessarily blame free. She most likely knew the consequences. And judging by how little a say princesses had in being married off. I could say she might not have been worse off without him.
@@alexisthinksofstuff come on bro ? King Xerxes actually respected his wife. As you see in the book , When Haman was begging Esther to not let him get executed King saw it and thought he was trying to misbehave Esther infront of him, and he immediately executed him. That shows that he respected the Queen. By this reasoning , in no way would King Xerxes ask Queen Vashti to come naked.
Do y’all realize that the OT was originally in Hebrew and has been changed in translation? Don’t argue with theologians, when you haven’t studied the ORIGINAL text.
The footnotes in my Amplified Bible note that “in the Jewish tradition” (oral history?), it is said that Vashti was indeed commanded to appear before the king and drunk male guests, wearing only her royal turban to distinguish her from a serving girl. Dressed or undressed, she might have been going into a lion’s den and would have to discourteously leave her own guests.
Shocked at the reading modern ideas into the text. Please let’s read the Bible through a biblical lens not a feminist lens. We are pursuing understanding of God, not modern social movements 🙏🏾🕊
You can’t be serious.. that she was requested to come in only her crown?!?! Chapter 1 verse 11 gives the reason for why the King requested her presence. It says “.. for she was lovely to look at.” Do you really think the writer of Esther is saying “she looked good naked” are you serious? The inspired word of God saying an objective fact about the Kings wife that she looked good naked!?! Absolute rubbish. She in general was beautiful is what it’s saying.. all this stuff you just said is made up and contradicts the text.
I think this makes sense and no one can really say one way or another for sure. It makes sense to me though because yes he was drunk, he wouldn’t have been rational enough in the moment to not want to show her off in front of his bros. 😂 Perhaps though she just didn’t want to obey him because she knew he was drunk and she was busy. I can see it either way.
I've been looking for sources for precisely this feminist critique, grappling with the story of Esther as a story of a woman who heroically allows herself to enter this violating situation because she's trying to save her people. Are there any known thinkers who have written about this?
The book of life clearly describes what a decent apparel should be, and so as soiled raiments for them to be new raiments. Thy words are life. KJV 1611 Preserved.
Vashti has always been described as an insubordinate woman. Your view on Vashti js quite right. Although she could have find a way around the king’s ( her husband’s ) request. Wisdom is needed to get it right at all times without loosing the crown.
Feminist are weird. She was not asked to be naked. It was not implied anywhere else in the Bible that anyone was naked unless the Bible explicitly says that.
It makes absolutely no sense at all, that a king, would request or even want his QUEEN to appear naked in front of all the other men in his kingdom....... I believe he just wanted her to come SPECIFICALLY with her crown on, not JUST her crown and no other clothes...
Vashti embarassed the king. And lost out. And made it hard for other women being rude and selfish. Esther was more powerful by being gentle and humble as well as beautiful.
🤣😂ONE OF THE COMMENTS SAID VASHTI IS HER FAVORITE CHARACTER IN RGE WHOLE BIBLE! 🤣 I GUESS NO MEANS NO!🤣 I THINK THIS STORY IS MORE SPIRITUAL THAN CARNAL BECAUSE IF COURSE WE ARE NOT TO BE EXPLOITED! GODS DAUGHTER ARE NOT TO BE VIEWED AS PROPERTY! ON THE SPIRITUAL SIDE NEVER PUT YOUR AGENDA BEFORE KING JESUS! Mathew 6:33 seek ye first the kingdom!
One woman was feminine, ESTHER. She wanted a better life. The king would give it to her. The existing Queen was arrogant, and eventually, as the Bible says, ARROGANCE falls down and goes BOOM!!!!!
I was brought up to be like Ruth, an obedient and subservient doormat. I have changed my middle name from Ruth to Vashti because I relate to Vashti's refusal to debase herself. You cannot look up, in any way at all, to a doormat!
Vashti is like satan, beautiful and she believe herself to be above the King! I am 100% Ruth! A gentile adopted by a Hebrew during the time of tribulation and she fully accepts our Father by walking in his ways! At the end of the wheat harvest she marries a Hebrew Prince! This is my life!!! And yes, I am obedient to my Father! Sad for you....
It takes a lot of courage to leave your own country and family to care for an older widow who lost everything. That's not a doormat, that's heroic. Don't apply your own conceptions to Ruth, that's not the picture the book paints.
You are adding to scripture that is not there.....notice how the King treated Esther! He did exactly what she asked him, he respected her thoughts and wishes.
Apparently this info is not incorrect you have to look into either some of the study bibles or theology to find this information out. It’s the not the first that I’ve heard this, a woman of God researched into this and share something like this. She said that he wanted her to come basically naked with just her crown on. That’s so inappropriate so it makes sense to me that she said no…if that’s what happened. She knew he was drunk and so she was trying to save his image but he was just having fun and wasn’t sober enough to think straight.
@@queenchiomaofficial Queen....I suggest you read the Book of Esther. Not a long book...easy to read in an hour, then come back on here and post those verses this evil lady is pointing out! If you can do that, why?
I don't think that the king nor his royal council desired to see Vashti naked, for they were not compelled of wine and their drinking was according to the law. I think that is reading something into the text that the text doesn't specifically tell us. I think that I am agreed with Memucan in the sense that Vashti's defiance is as was an insult to the dignity of her husband's office, and I think we shouldn't treat him (Memucan) as if he is Haman unless we can find evidence in the chronicle of the kings of Media & Persia that it is so, unless Haman's name was blotted out purposefully. He must have been seeking the throne for himself and his descendants, but it seems unlikely that he would have gone through a name change privily, without the record giving recognition to that fact. So, I am arguing with Jewish scholars on this one. It is very unlikely that Memucan and Haman are the same person. Whatever reason Vashti refused to obey the king's commandment, her defiance is what is emphasized, and so it is likely that she was worthily excommunicated. I think we can give more appropriate credence to the old ways, in recognizing that in a royal monarchy, the queen is not independent of her king, and if she treats the throne that way, she can be cast out simply for refusing to yield. Of course, Shushan lies in ruins now, but we have a very fine record of the days when women were expected to submit to men in authority, and even to obey their words (specifically, wives to their husbands). Ideally, women would strive to be more like Esther in the spiritual discipline, and not like Vashti. They would find that they can approach their husbands even when it is seemingly impossible, and that they should not defy their husband's expectations when they are asked to be treated like showcase trophies. Obviously, there comes some considerable risk with showing off one's wealth, but if a woman were to use this passage to identify with the climate of reason and to learn from record of Vashti's error, she would not be doomed to repeat her misfortune. The apostolic teaching tells wives to obey their husbands as they obey the Lord. Do you wonder where they got this from? Vashti's defiance should be disconcerting to the heart of wisdom. We should use this passage to teach wives to obey their husbands and to warn of the dire consequences of disobedience, as they are one and no longer separate. Vashti is NOT a virtuous heroine of the times, but a disgraced figure. Her former office was replaced by Esther because she was found unqualified to bear the responsibility of the crown and likewise the throne. Remember, a little leaven leavens the whole lump. If she was unwilling to obey her husband in the smallest thing, how much more so the weightier matters of the kingdom?
This is ridiculous, the eisegesis required to take a narrative that’s clearly says that Vashti was put out for being a disobedient wife and make her a point of feminine empowerment entirely misses the point.
My question is.. the Jews were not under threat while Vashti was queen. So what was the whole point of Esther becoming queen to save Jews if they only came under threat once Mordecai refused to bow to haman? Is almost seems like the plot was created out of thin air and could very well have been avoided.
@@calvinmasters6159 he was drunk. The culture in those days subjected women to be covered up completely. And at that time of the celebration it was more fitting for the concubines to come out. It wasn’t the queens place to present herself naked. Esther hadn’t done it . And I am sure if she was asked she would’ve disagreed as well.
@@calvinmasters6159 and what caused the “avalanche” was mordecai being placed as an official. He wasn’t going to bow to anyone but God. Yet he was in working under the Kings authority.
@@LivinglifeasShey Interesting point, "...the Jews were not under threat while Vashti was queen..." I hadn't thought of that. Good point. I suppose that if Vashti hadn't failed in her duty, we wouldn't have a Book of Esther. Are you saying that it was acceptable for Vashti to refuse Xerxes, but not acceptable for Mordecai to refuse Haman? That's where secular thinking comes in. Also, where are the words "drunk" and "naked" in Esther? We must not "add" to the Bible.
@@calvinmasters6159 thank you for taking the time to respond… ok, so my answer to the first question you had asked is no. Mordecai knew his boundaries because he was a Jew. ( in the text it says he advised Esther not to disclose she was a Jew) he also didn’t reveal it himself. If he had religious boundaries he shouldn’t have put himself in the palace simply to “keep an eye” Esther 2:10-11. Instead he should’ve trusted God.
Vashti sounds Indian to me, could it be the Jewish people are really Indians from the Indian sub-continent, I think so. The Arabs have always claimed they are not 'indigenous' to Israel, perhaps they are right.
Vashti is a Persian queen. At that time, the Persian Empire did in fact include parts of India. However, Vashti is not Jewish. In fact, the name Esther isn't really Jewish either. It's her name from the Persian culture. Her Jewish name is Hadassah. The Jewish people are just as indigenous as the Arabs (if not more so) when it comes to the ancient history. However, essentially none of them lived there for nearly 2000 years until the 1940s, whereas many of the Arab peoples have lived there continuously for the last 500 years. It's a very messy story.
I know Indians have a weird obsession with Jewish people, but literally modern day genetic testing shows that Jews trace their ancestry back to the Middle East. In fact, Jews are genetically closely related to the people of the modern Middle East. Your average Jewish person is genetically way closer to your Levantine Arab than they are to a European or an Indian. Hebrew is a Semitic language that is a cousin of Arabic. Also, Vashti is a Persian name as is Esther. They sound Indian to you because Persian and Indian languages are indo European.
Persian conquered India, not India conquered Persia. Persian had introduced Sanskrit language to India. That is why India has all big temple built during Persian invasion.
You need to be careful, the interpretation that Vashti was to appear only in her crown and thus naked is not explicitly stated in the text and depends on cultural assumptions. Most traditional and contemporary translations do not imply nudity but rather focus on the intention to showcase her beauty. If you say that traditional readings support your claim, then you also need to say that other traditional readings say the text simply means Vashti was to wear her crown as part of her royal attire. Bottom line, God’s sovereign protection and preservation of Israel is the key point. Most impressive is the fact that the Israelites in Persia where not allowed to worship God based on Mosaic Law. God used those he did not return to Jerusalem, those who remained in exile, to save His people.
Now King Xerxes was the ruling king From India all the way to Cush He lived a luxurious life A lavish life of plenty and much A big beautiful banquet He hosted his third year The who's who of everyone Was expected to be there Nobles and princes of the provinces Were quite excited and certainly eager The guest list included Persian military officials All of the important leaders The king wanted to impress his guests He thought of many ways Xerxes displayed his wealth and glory For a full 180 days He showed everyone the gold The pearls and the silver White linen, costly stones Purple material, marble pillars At the end of the party everyone had plenty of wine The Kings wife, Vashti, and The women partied at the same time King Xerxes was high in spirits From the wine on the seventh day He commanded Vashti to come to him Put her beauty on display His AIDS delivered the message The queen refused to go The king burned with anger How dare she tell him no He called his team of advisors Who understood the times They said he must do something Concerned about their own wives They will dishonor us If she can dishonor you Send her a way to never again Never to approach you Let this be known to all Make it an official decree Then find someone else to be queen Who is better than she When the other wives hear this Then they will all know To obey their husbands and Much respect they will show Please with the advice The king did what they proposed Message delivered and received Let every man rule his household (By Esther Coleman-Spells)
Vashti as the queen stood on business and had self respect, Esther who wanted favor from the king became the modern day what we call picmesha. The women on here who are against Vashti's decision are also pic mes with low class. Vashti was a queen your not. Have a nice day 😊
Esther didn’t want favor from the king for her own selfish gain. The Lord sent Esther because her character exemplifies humility, which would ultimately save her ppl from being executed. She risked her life by going before the king for her ppl sake and fasting. Vashti heart wasn’t in submission to the Lord. The Lord chose Esther and favored her for obvious reasons. 🤦🏾♀️Esther is a pick me? Yeah picked by the Lord.🤣 You are full of pride and lack wisdom.
I don’t think we can in the historical context read a feminist stance - more scholars saying the same about the women staying out of harm’s way when the drinking got out of hand: ruclips.net/video/PxLsSaz6_eg/видео.html
Rebellion is the only reason she rejected. I don’t think he ask her to come naked. She also had her own feast clear case she was trying out do her husband.
I don't know how she became a professor of the Bible, comparing herself to Vashti thinking that saying No to a child is the same as saying No to the command of a King, using Vasti as a role model is one of the most stupidest point to raise. Sorry to say this but you lack spiritual knowledge 😅
Now I would never tell Jesus No ! . . But this story isn't talking about Jesus !. . .there's all types of women . .some have a look on them . .that a man can tell she's like that . . Needy. . . Ester was a different type of woman from others.. . .
Very speculative view, especially in light of how king Ahasuerus treated Esther. Your view is also an insult and attack to king Ahasuerus’ character and that of his wise counselors.
this is all nonsense xerxes the great would have never done that to women persian kings of kings and emperors were famous for how they treat their wives and daughters with kindness and women in persian empire were respected unlike the west they also had high and Powerful status in the empire Cassandane Shahbanu Atusa Shahbanu (also given as Atossa) Artunis Irdabama Artemisia I of Caria Youtab Aryobarzan Musa (also given as Thermusa) Sura Azadokht Shahbanu Purandokht (also given as Boran) Apranik Banu, wife of Babak Twelve Great Women of Ancient Persia 👆
The devil is also clear, concise and concentrated in his twisting of scripture - all the time... This is mis-INTERPRETING scripture. Please read some of my comments for full explanation
Don’t agree with most of what was said but I surely wouldn’t walk alone into a hall of hundreds of drunken men💀 that’s just not an easy thing to do even if it’s one drunken man
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Vashti was rude , coz Ester entered the kings chamber without permission she was courageous. There is a thin line between being rude and looking stupid and being courageous and looking loyal.
This is why you don't take biblical teaching from any women whatsoever. I warn every man to never do it, guard your soul. There is no excuse for it to be found anywhere in scripture.
........vashti was a foolish wife had no insight from the HOLY SPIRIT due to her carnal ways.......the wicked spirit of jezebel in vashti pride was silenced by the KING AMEN.......esther was wise for during the banquet of wine that's when she made her request known to the KING and she saved her people.......ruth went to boaz and slept at his feet when he had wine......THE NEW WINE IS SYMBOLIC TO HIS HOLY MAJESTY JESUS CHRIST LIFE.......vashti walked in the flesh and had a carnal mind but esther walked in the HOLY SPIRIT and LIFE WAS GRANTED TO Her and her people amen.
You clearly did not read the book properly because even Esther knew she was doing wrong lol she knew she could've died hence why she fasted n was willing to die, yall reading something else?
@@mightymorphinniqz9235.. .. now that's the difference between worldly women vashti who walked foolishly and ESTHER who walked in the wisdom of GOD ALMIGHTY THROUGH FASTING AND PRAYER......ESTHER was humble never drunk in pride of being Queen and understood the one who uplifted her was GOD......through OBEDIENCE and respect to her husband Xerxes Esther found favour......vashti drunk in her pride and disobedience to her husband forget if it wasn't for Xerxes she wouldn't be a Queen,she thought to herself she's indispensable......vashti today is the foolish virgins or today's feminists but ESTHER is the rare woman today GOD FEARING OBEDIENT TO HER HUSBAND that we rarely see today.
The heart of "the King "is in the hand of the Lord.
Vashti had to say no ...so that God's plan came to be. .. that's all.
I kind of agree with you there! May be Vashti said "no" so that she could be removed to make room for Esther to fulfill God's plans of saving His people!
So you think it was only because of Gods plan? Or would you want men lusting after you or your wife? No trie woman would want that.
@@aliciabrock4444 you and Zondervan are taking a lot of liberties in believing something made up in your minds. You would do well to heed God's Word:
Deuteronomy 4:2, Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words
Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is tested;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words
Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
Deuteronomy 12:32
“Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Mark 7:13
thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Genesis 3:1-4
Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.read more.
The serpent said to the woman, You surely will not die!
@@watchtonight6178that what they said
@@aliciabrock4444the king literally wanted them to see how beautiful Vashit was. The people in the Bible are not you and God’s ways are not your ways
Where in the Bible does it say “she is to come only wearing her crown”? The book of Esther is not about Vashti. It’s about God using Esther to save His people. To turn around and make Vashti, a character that did not serve God and had no desire to serve God, the hero of the story is to turn from God. If God wanted Vashti to be someone we looked up to, the book would have been about her. Let us focus on scripture and what God is truly trying to say in it. Not simply what we want from it.
I agree with you!
Exactly. They are trying to twist this to be what they want. Esther was submissive and got more done than Vashti. Being submissive doesn't mean giving up her rights. It allowing the man to lead or APPEAR as the lead. Men naturally want their woman to have what she needs and wants as long as he isn't made to feel he's mistreated or taken advantage of. Let him feel like a King and get everything she wants out of him. It's very easy. And that doesn't mean don't have her own or be totally dependent on him. If they both have careers and she want a new car but would like him to pay half for the down payment, I can bet he does it without issue based on how well she takes care of him.
I don't agree. Vashti is also Scripture. Who are you to choose which bits of the canon aren't important. It was probably an incredibly brave act saying, no. Because of it or despite it, God's will was done
@@ProfYaffle I agree 100% that God’s will was done. It doesn’t change that Vashti is not someone to strive to be like. By this logic should we strive to be like Shimei, the person who cursed King David? How brave of him was it to curse the king? By no means, we glorify God for His mighty work, despite our failings. Esther and her uncle, Mordecai were in the wrong simply by being in Persia. God had told the people to move back to the land of Israel. Why didn’t they? The law of Moses, ordained by God, explicitly says that the Israelites shouldn’t marry outside of their culture and yet Esther married the king of Persia. The hero of this story is God. Not Vashti, not Esther, not Mordecai. That God had grace and mercy on sinners like us, and made us clean. For His glory. “For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.”
Romans 11:36
@@imlearning.6614 You suggested we should not consider these verses. I disagree. I never said whether I thought we should look up to Vashti or not.
Please read carefully.
Typology is a foreshadowing of things to come
Queen Esther is a typology of God’s end time remnant church
Vashti the first queen was called by her name by the King and she refused him (Jews)
So the kingdom went to another woman (gentiles, remnant church)
Esther - Beautiful chaste virgin
Esther 2:7
God’s church - chaste virgin
2 Corinthians 11:2
Esther -Orphaned, Mordecai took for his own daughter
Esther 2:7
God’s church- Will not be left orphaned
John 14:18
Esther couldn’t come into the King unless called by her name
she came in unto the king no more, except the king delighted in her, and that she were called by name.
Esther 2:14
God’s people - called by His name
Deuteronomy 28:9-10 KJV
[9] The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways. [10] And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord ; and they shall be afraid of thee.
The King Loved Esther above all the virgins - Esther 2:17
Set the royal crown upon her head
Esther 2:17
God’s people- ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
1 Peter 5:4
Haman - Esther 3:1 set his seat above all the princes before him
What did the devil want ? Isaiah 14:13 wanted his throne set above all the stars
Not a Persian
Esther - Others bowed and reverenced Haman Esther 3:2
End time deceived- received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
Revelation 19:20
Esther - Haman (name magnificent) represents devil
full of wrath when Mordecai didn’t bow to him
Haman sought to destroy all of God’s people
Esther 3:5
Daniel 3:19
God’s end time church - not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Revelation 13:15 KJV
Esther - There is a certain people ….their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws:
Esther 3:8
God’s end time people -
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
Esther - she obtained favour in his sight: and the king held out to Esther the golden sceptre that was in his hand.
Esther 5:2
God’s people receive Grace from Jesus - not deserving life
John 3:16
Esther - Death decree to all the land
Esther 3:13
End time church - Death decree to the remnant church who doesn’t worship the beast
Revelation 13:15
Bride - if I perish I perish I must go before the King
King holds out receptor - grace
Psalms 45:6
Jesus is the King who extends grace to those who don’t deserve it
King reverses death decree
Esther - Many people of the land became God’s law keeping people
Esther 8:17
God’s end time people -
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins,
Revelation 18:4
Mark of the beast
Speak and cause as many who don’t worship the beast to be killed
Decree to go forth against the people of God will be very similar to decree sent forth in Esther’s time
Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mordecai was at the gate Announcing that judgement has come
Luke 13:24 straight is the gate
John 10:9 KJV
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The Bible says Vashti was hosting many women during the Amazing day feast. She was not naked. the KING commanded her to come. Esther wasn't a punk either. Esther risks her own life to save her people the jews- "God's people. Esther 1-2 read the entire beautiful story
You're right. The story isn't in keeping with feminine stubbornness. I bet they would also disagree with Ephesians 5:33, "the wife must respect her husband."
He command her to come in order to be paraded, period, for her beauty - I feel like it doesn't matter if she was to be paraded naked or not. So I think her point still stands :) I wouldn't want to be treated animalistically by my husbands' partygoers whether I was clothed or not. So I like this perspective of her upholding her morals even though it cost her her (earthly) titles.
@@marymorris6897and the husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. Never exploiting but sacrificially even to the point of death.
It doesn’t say only her crown and I’d be real careful about adding words to the Word of God. Your feminist bias is showing. Yes Vashti disobeyed her husband however her husband was very drunk and surrounded by many other drunk men. She did the right thing by refusing to enter the room and God used that bad situation to save His people. Since Vashti wasn’t killed for her disobedience, I’d say God protected her for doing the right thing. The king repented his decision when he was sober but couldn’t reverse it. He knew what he did was wrong when his head was clear. But God turns everything around for good. I love this book. She had a quite and humble spirit and she accepted wise council. God blessed her with favor with man and Himself.
I do not believe she did the right thing. She was honored as queen and wife and all the men present at the kings house had wives who were in the company of the queen. I did discern the hen party to be a control over how dare a man interrupt our time. I do believe it would have been one of those issues where she would have been paraded. BUT no one will make me believe if she were to be in the presence of the town folk strolling through seeing her countryside and people cheered her beauty she wouldn't have been thankful. If she can and am sure she did I think some gratitude of her privilege of being able via the king to host a party and not just have the men have a party a viewing of the queen was not a horrible option.
@@susanhaines7358 The "hen party" was a group of the king's women. One of the themes in this book are the things hidden in plain sight.
@@susanhaines7358
LOL, this person is an expert in OT?
She says Esther is the woman that says "yes, and stays in power...and works the system" in contrast to Vashti saying "no, and losing everything".
Is this woman serious? Go read the story for yourself. Esther lays down her crown, reputation, and most importantly, her life (!!) by going before Xerxes..... but let's listen to this professor tell us that she was a "yes woman" who did so to "retain power" and "worked the system to serve God".
LOOLLLLLLLLLLLL
Believers should make decisions that please God
Vashti made a decision that was pleasing to God.
Esther also made a decision that was pleasing to God
The important thing always
Is being obedient to God
Yes, I’ve heard that Vashti did not want to be put on display for her beauty. I thought that was better reasoning than saying she refused the King’s request!
Vashti was not serving God but she was used by God, I believe that God hardened her heart to the King. God protects us from sin, even if you don’t serve Him, He also uses people/situations to serve the greater good which was the whole meaning of the book of Esther. God’s protection over Vashti can also be seen by her not being put to death for defying the King which would’ve been the standard at the time, she was given God’s mercy through the King’s response.
It’s easy to read our interpretations based on western ideology. Vashti was not a queen to be praised nor was her denial of the king something to be looked favorably upon. The text does not go into much detail concerning her refusal, we are left to our own devices but who was summoning her was more than her husband, it was the King. While his behavior was deplorable, she lacked wisdom, probably due to her “banqueting herself”. Ester showed wisdom and trusted God while Vashti was dishonorable and not wise 8n how she handled the King.
the King is like a child throwing a tantrum, thats sad
Yeah, I just looked up every reputable translation of the same passage, and none of them say only her crown. They all say “with her crown.” Not confident on how accurate this is.
Rebellious women identify with Vashti and want to excuse her horrible behaviour.
Vashti's denial of Xerxes to come into the feast with only her Crown on was God's way of getting Esther into the picture for his glory, we are not looking to Vashti we're looking to Esther the hero from and for God and the survival of his people.
Makes me wonder how you feel about Judas
Esther is not the hero, God is. You missed the point.
I totally agree. My late father who was also a Pastor and Teacher had the same understanding of Vashti's refusal to appear before the King.
Stacy, she is adding to scripture, how did the King treat Esther? Better read the book again.
Stacy J politics with all due respect to your late father, may he rest in peace, are you saying that he is a perfect human being and knew exactly what every bit of scripture in the entire Bible means? I guess he knew exactly when the second coming of the Lord is and other mysteries of the Bible that we won't fully understand until we are with the Lord?? ALL Pastors have been influenced by their teachers, and Bible commentary just like the one in this video. This rumor about vashti was originally spread by Jewish feminists and gained considerable stronghold in influencing many pastors and teachers. It completely draws attention away from Esther and God's secret workings behind the scenes. It also clearly shows that one must be humble, which Esther was, and very evidently, Vashti was NOT..
Your dad was a regular man and made mistakes. His relationship with God had nothing to go with you or anyone else. Seek what it means for you not just what you’re told
Long ago, when the women of Persia were honored and revered by their culture, they often held influential and dynamic positions in society. Aside from being mothers, they played many roles-teacher, politician, business owner, even soldiers. In fact, ancient women warriors of Persia were so powerful, neighboring male-dominated cultures in both Greece and Rome viewed them with a mixture of horror and fascination. Fortification tablets at the Ruins of Persepolis have proven men and women of the time were equally represented in all facets of life, and the battlefield was no exception. In Iran, DNA tests have revealed some 2,000-year-old bones of an entombed warrior found with a sword in hand actually belonged to a female warrior. Artifacts, research, and ancient tales clearly indicate some Persian women fought hard for their causes and claimed just as much glory on the battlefield as their male counterparts.
Vashti was hosting her own party at the time and was respected by all, including the king so it’s completely speculative as to WHY she said no but it is important to understand that had she said yes there would be no opportunity for Esther to become queen. Also take in the land at the time. Persia respected women and in high esteem. The king definitely did not tell that woman to come only in her crown but to come completely decorated in all her royal finery, like was later done to Moredecai as a thank you from the king for letting him know his chamberman plotted against them. This whole feminism plot came in because one of the women got to the king when he was angry that Vashti said no and said you should take her crown away as punishment or all women would feel it’s ok to snub their husbands too, not because women were weak and Vashti’s refusal would make them strong but because women were also powerful and revered and didn’t want them to piss their husbands off and make them feel weak… like the king was on top of being publicly embarrassed. This angle is all wrong
Excellent response.
One of the women?? Which woman was seated next to the king in that moment? You mean it was a total display of the legalization of misogyny for the first time in Persia. The men were angry she disagreed to come down naked.
Esther and vashti had different roles n I commend n applause both of them even mordecai! This isn't abt feminism n standing up to men.
Nope!
@@tmcge3325 alright
whatever the reasons for Vashti’s refusal, her demise opened the way for God’s woman to be placed in palace and to intercede for her people, thus preventing a genocide.
Wow completely missing the whole meaning of The book of Esther and who Queen Vashti vs Queen Esther represents! 🤦🏻♀️
Don’t agree with most of what was said but I surely wouldn’t walk alone into a hall of hundreds of drunken men💀 that’s just what anyone would do.
Elixofspice it was not a hall of drunken men. Total misunderstanding and interpretation of what was happening. Please read my other comments for full explanation
Clearly a feminist view of the passage.
I agree, she didn't understand the cultural and historical context surrounding the verses, not saying Xerxes was right to demand that though.
Don’t agree with most of what was said but I surely wouldn’t walk alone into a hall of hundreds of drunken men💀
Not even one.
It was a reasonable denial. And to this day I always defend people who aim at portraying her as simply “disrespectful ex queen”
@@alexisthinksofstuffyes i do understand it but some people claim that the Persian Empire definitely Respected women and it's literally the King's Wife. No man is going to do her wrong
@@Rkive2q98 no man would ? Xerxes wasn’t the type of man to rely on anyway 😂 yea she disrespected him. But tbh I wouldn’t really have much respect for a man who ordered the sea to be whipped because his ship sunk and threw month long drinking parties. What kind of ruler is that. Anywho Vashti was not wrong. But she was not necessarily blame free. She most likely knew the consequences. And judging by how little a say princesses had in being married off. I could say she might not have been worse off without him.
@@alexisthinksofstuff come on bro ? King Xerxes actually respected his wife. As you see in the book , When Haman was begging Esther to not let him get executed King saw it and thought he was trying to misbehave Esther infront of him, and he immediately executed him. That shows that he respected the Queen. By this reasoning , in no way would King Xerxes ask Queen Vashti to come naked.
I’m not religious but I love this interpretation of Vashti! Thank you for sharing!
Do y’all realize that the OT was originally in Hebrew and has been changed in translation? Don’t argue with theologians, when you haven’t studied the ORIGINAL text.
The footnotes in my Amplified Bible note that “in the Jewish tradition” (oral history?), it is said that Vashti was indeed commanded to appear before the king and drunk male guests, wearing only her royal turban to distinguish her from a serving girl. Dressed or undressed, she might have been going into a lion’s den and would have to discourteously leave her own guests.
My older brother is sleeping so i watch superbook
Shocked at the reading modern ideas into the text. Please let’s read the Bible through a biblical lens not a feminist lens. We are pursuing understanding of God, not modern social movements 🙏🏾🕊
Thank You. I was waiting for someone to say this.
@@fredotlogetswe3047 yall just hate women and feminist!
I don't think king Xerxes would request for Esther to do such a thing. I am not sure...
You can’t be serious.. that she was requested to come in only her crown?!?! Chapter 1 verse 11 gives the reason for why the King requested her presence. It says “.. for she was lovely to look at.” Do you really think the writer of Esther is saying “she looked good naked” are you serious? The inspired word of God saying an objective fact about the Kings wife that she looked good naked!?! Absolute rubbish. She in general was beautiful is what it’s saying.. all this stuff you just said is made up and contradicts the text.
And this is why you need to read the Bible yourself with a heart to see God. This is shameful.
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I think this makes sense and no one can really say one way or another for sure. It makes sense to me though because yes he was drunk, he wouldn’t have been rational enough in the moment to not want to show her off in front of his bros. 😂 Perhaps though she just didn’t want to obey him because she knew he was drunk and she was busy. I can see it either way.
I've been looking for sources for precisely this feminist critique, grappling with the story of Esther as a story of a woman who heroically allows herself to enter this violating situation because she's trying to save her people. Are there any known thinkers who have written about this?
Remember folks that she didn’t say the days says she was to come naked… she’s simply talking about the culture… that’s all
Why does the title say xerxes? Im reading Esther and it says king Ahasuerus...im confused
Both are correct. One is Persian, the other is Greek. 😊
The book of life clearly describes what a decent apparel should be, and so as soiled raiments for them to be new raiments. Thy words are life. KJV 1611 Preserved.
Vashti has always been described as an insubordinate woman. Your view on Vashti js quite right. Although she could have find a way around the king’s ( her husband’s ) request.
Wisdom is needed to get it right at all times without loosing the crown.
I love your comments
Luke 14. A man prepared a great banquet, but everyone said "no".
Feminist are weird. She was not asked to be naked. It was not implied anywhere else in the Bible that anyone was naked unless the Bible explicitly says that.
Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. How unfortunate this dear lady completely lost the point of the entire book
Vashti name sounds like Indo-Iranic,
It makes absolutely no sense at all, that a king, would request or even want his QUEEN to appear naked in front of all the other men in his kingdom....... I believe he just wanted her to come SPECIFICALLY with her crown on, not JUST her crown and no other clothes...
Read the Esther chapter 1 verses 11 - 12 and read what it really says? Please and thank you.
@@teresawebb8575,this is deep.
Vashti embarassed the king. And lost out. And made it hard for other women being rude and selfish. Esther was more powerful by being gentle and humble as well as beautiful.
She’s twisting it more than a Texas tornado
🤣😂ONE OF THE COMMENTS SAID VASHTI IS HER FAVORITE CHARACTER IN RGE WHOLE BIBLE! 🤣 I GUESS NO MEANS NO!🤣 I THINK THIS STORY IS MORE SPIRITUAL THAN CARNAL BECAUSE IF COURSE WE ARE NOT TO BE EXPLOITED! GODS DAUGHTER ARE NOT TO BE VIEWED AS PROPERTY! ON THE SPIRITUAL SIDE NEVER PUT YOUR AGENDA BEFORE KING JESUS! Mathew 6:33 seek ye first the kingdom!
One woman was feminine, ESTHER. She wanted a better life. The king would give it to her. The existing Queen was arrogant, and eventually, as the Bible says, ARROGANCE falls down and goes BOOM!!!!!
I was brought up to be like Ruth, an obedient and subservient doormat. I have changed my middle name from Ruth to Vashti because I relate to Vashti's refusal to debase herself. You cannot look up, in any way at all, to a doormat!
Did you really read the book? Cuz this is wholly inaccurate
I feel you
Vashti is like satan, beautiful and she believe herself to be above the King! I am 100% Ruth! A gentile adopted by a Hebrew during the time of tribulation and she fully accepts our Father by walking in his ways! At the end of the wheat harvest she marries a Hebrew Prince! This is my life!!! And yes, I am obedient to my Father! Sad for you....
It takes a lot of courage to leave your own country and family to care for an older widow who lost everything. That's not a doormat, that's heroic. Don't apply your own conceptions to Ruth, that's not the picture the book paints.
You are adding to scripture that is not there.....notice how the King treated Esther! He did exactly what she asked him, he respected her thoughts and wishes.
Apparently this info is not incorrect you have to look into either some of the study bibles or theology to find this information out. It’s the not the first that I’ve heard this, a woman of God researched into this and share something like this. She said that he wanted her to come basically naked with just her crown on. That’s so inappropriate so it makes sense to me that she said no…if that’s what happened. She knew he was drunk and so she was trying to save his image but he was just having fun and wasn’t sober enough to think straight.
@@queenchiomaofficial Queen....I suggest you read the Book of Esther. Not a long book...easy to read in an hour, then come back on here and post those verses this evil lady is pointing out! If you can do that, why?
I don't think that the king nor his royal council desired to see Vashti naked, for they were not compelled of wine and their drinking was according to the law. I think that is reading something into the text that the text doesn't specifically tell us. I think that I am agreed with Memucan in the sense that Vashti's defiance is as was an insult to the dignity of her husband's office, and I think we shouldn't treat him (Memucan) as if he is Haman unless we can find evidence in the chronicle of the kings of Media & Persia that it is so, unless Haman's name was blotted out purposefully. He must have been seeking the throne for himself and his descendants, but it seems unlikely that he would have gone through a name change privily, without the record giving recognition to that fact. So, I am arguing with Jewish scholars on this one. It is very unlikely that Memucan and Haman are the same person. Whatever reason Vashti refused to obey the king's commandment, her defiance is what is emphasized, and so it is likely that she was worthily excommunicated. I think we can give more appropriate credence to the old ways, in recognizing that in a royal monarchy, the queen is not independent of her king, and if she treats the throne that way, she can be cast out simply for refusing to yield. Of course, Shushan lies in ruins now, but we have a very fine record of the days when women were expected to submit to men in authority, and even to obey their words (specifically, wives to their husbands). Ideally, women would strive to be more like Esther in the spiritual discipline, and not like Vashti. They would find that they can approach their husbands even when it is seemingly impossible, and that they should not defy their husband's expectations when they are asked to be treated like showcase trophies. Obviously, there comes some considerable risk with showing off one's wealth, but if a woman were to use this passage to identify with the climate of reason and to learn from record of Vashti's error, she would not be doomed to repeat her misfortune. The apostolic teaching tells wives to obey their husbands as they obey the Lord. Do you wonder where they got this from? Vashti's defiance should be disconcerting to the heart of wisdom. We should use this passage to teach wives to obey their husbands and to warn of the dire consequences of disobedience, as they are one and no longer separate. Vashti is NOT a virtuous heroine of the times, but a disgraced figure. Her former office was replaced by Esther because she was found unqualified to bear the responsibility of the crown and likewise the throne. Remember, a little leaven leavens the whole lump. If she was unwilling to obey her husband in the smallest thing, how much more so the weightier matters of the kingdom?
This is ridiculous, the eisegesis required to take a narrative that’s clearly says that Vashti was put out for being a disobedient wife and make her a point of feminine empowerment entirely misses the point.
My question is.. the Jews were not under threat while Vashti was queen. So what was the whole point of Esther becoming queen to save Jews if they only came under threat once Mordecai refused to bow to haman? Is almost seems like the plot was created out of thin air and could very well have been avoided.
It is because Vashti's defiance caused the avalanche of events.
Why is Vashti's rebellion overlooked, her disobedience even celebrated?
@@calvinmasters6159 he was drunk. The culture in those days subjected women to be covered up completely. And at that time of the celebration it was more fitting for the concubines to come out. It wasn’t the queens place to present herself naked. Esther hadn’t done it . And I am sure if she was asked she would’ve disagreed as well.
@@calvinmasters6159 and what caused the “avalanche” was mordecai being placed as an official. He wasn’t going to bow to anyone but God. Yet he was in working under the Kings authority.
@@LivinglifeasShey Interesting point, "...the Jews were not under threat while Vashti was queen..." I hadn't thought of that. Good point. I suppose that if Vashti hadn't failed in her duty, we wouldn't have a Book of Esther.
Are you saying that it was acceptable for Vashti to refuse Xerxes, but not acceptable for Mordecai to refuse Haman? That's where secular thinking comes in.
Also, where are the words "drunk" and "naked" in Esther? We must not "add" to the Bible.
@@calvinmasters6159 thank you for taking the time to respond… ok, so my answer to the first question you had asked is no. Mordecai knew his boundaries because he was a Jew. ( in the text it says he advised Esther not to disclose she was a Jew) he also didn’t reveal it himself. If he had religious boundaries he shouldn’t have put himself in the palace simply to “keep an eye” Esther 2:10-11. Instead he should’ve trusted God.
Vashti is the one..
Vashti sounds Indian to me, could it be the Jewish people are really Indians from the Indian sub-continent, I think so. The Arabs have always claimed they are not 'indigenous' to Israel, perhaps they are right.
Vashti is a Persian queen. At that time, the Persian Empire did in fact include parts of India. However, Vashti is not Jewish. In fact, the name Esther isn't really Jewish either. It's her name from the Persian culture. Her Jewish name is Hadassah. The Jewish people are just as indigenous as the Arabs (if not more so) when it comes to the ancient history. However, essentially none of them lived there for nearly 2000 years until the 1940s, whereas many of the Arab peoples have lived there continuously for the last 500 years. It's a very messy story.
I know Indians have a weird obsession with Jewish people, but literally modern day genetic testing shows that Jews trace their ancestry back to the Middle East. In fact, Jews are genetically closely related to the people of the modern Middle East. Your average Jewish person is genetically way closer to your Levantine Arab than they are to a European or an Indian. Hebrew is a Semitic language that is a cousin of Arabic. Also, Vashti is a Persian name as is Esther. They sound Indian to you because Persian and Indian languages are indo European.
Persian conquered India, not India conquered Persia. Persian had introduced Sanskrit language to India. That is why India has all big temple built during Persian invasion.
She was from Ethiopia why
Do they say different
Queen Vashti is one of my favourite characters in the bible
She is in one or two verses? Really....she's a gentile who worships strange gods! Well, enjoy!
A rebellious, disobedient woman.. Smh
@@marcemarcela5021 she is like satan......and we are Esther!
@@marcemarcela5021 gender has nothing to do with the story....why? We are all his bride, if you understand Scripture.
You need to be careful, the interpretation that Vashti was to appear only in her crown and thus naked is not explicitly stated in the text and depends on cultural assumptions. Most traditional and contemporary translations do not imply nudity but rather focus on the intention to showcase her beauty. If you say that traditional readings support your claim, then you also need to say that other traditional readings say the text simply means Vashti was to wear her crown as part of her royal attire.
Bottom line, God’s sovereign protection and preservation of Israel is the key point. Most impressive is the fact that the Israelites in Persia where not allowed to worship God based on Mosaic Law. God used those he did not return to Jerusalem, those who remained in exile, to save His people.
Yes it is stated. You should be careful deceiving Gods people. Go and study the word properly
Thank you, I love this explanation!
Well my mom name me Vashti and my middle name is Atara which means crown so I came into this world wearing my crown!!!
Now King Xerxes was the ruling king
From India all the way to Cush
He lived a luxurious life
A lavish life of plenty and much
A big beautiful banquet
He hosted his third year
The who's who of everyone
Was expected to be there
Nobles and princes of the provinces
Were quite excited and certainly eager
The guest list included Persian military officials
All of the important leaders
The king wanted to impress his guests
He thought of many ways
Xerxes displayed his wealth and glory
For a full 180 days
He showed everyone the gold
The pearls and the silver
White linen, costly stones
Purple material, marble pillars
At the end of the party everyone had plenty of wine
The Kings wife, Vashti, and
The women partied at the same time
King Xerxes was high in spirits
From the wine on the seventh day
He commanded Vashti to come to him
Put her beauty on display
His AIDS delivered the message
The queen refused to go
The king burned with anger
How dare she tell him no
He called his team of advisors
Who understood the times
They said he must do something
Concerned about their own wives
They will dishonor us
If she can dishonor you
Send her a way to never again
Never to approach you
Let this be known to all
Make it an official decree
Then find someone else to be queen
Who is better than she
When the other wives hear this
Then they will all know
To obey their husbands and
Much respect they will show
Please with the advice
The king did what they proposed
Message delivered and received
Let every man rule his household
(By Esther Coleman-Spells)
Vashti as the queen stood on business and had self respect, Esther who wanted favor from the king became the modern day what we call picmesha. The women on here who are against Vashti's decision are also pic mes with low class. Vashti was a queen your not. Have a nice day 😊
I agree loool! But God included her book in the bible so obviously there must be more to it. But yes that bothered me
Esther didn’t want favor from the king for her own selfish gain. The Lord sent Esther because her character exemplifies humility, which would ultimately save her ppl from being executed. She risked her life by going before the king for her ppl sake and fasting. Vashti heart wasn’t in submission to the Lord. The Lord chose Esther and favored her for obvious reasons. 🤦🏾♀️Esther is a pick me? Yeah picked by the Lord.🤣 You are full of pride and lack wisdom.
I don’t think we can in the historical context read a feminist stance - more scholars saying the same about the women staying out of harm’s way when the drinking got out of hand:
ruclips.net/video/PxLsSaz6_eg/видео.html
Vashti’s feminism was an abomination to the king and all of Persia
Rebellion is the only reason she rejected. I don’t think he ask her to come naked. She also had her own feast clear case she was trying out do her husband.
Completely agree!!
Confusion! A wicked, adversarial mockery .
She was a Villain. she refused because she hated the Jews and felt like the King was under her, not because she minded her dignity
Unfortunately, this presentation looks at the book of Esther thru secular eyes.
The bible does NOT say that vashti was naked.
You know that tradition states that Vashti , who isn’t even Jewish, had many tortured. Please do your research before pushing your agenda
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Now go watch 300 and see how they portrayed king Ahasuerus [Xerces]. The god king Xerces lol....
I don't know how she became a professor of the Bible, comparing herself to Vashti thinking that saying No to a child is the same as saying No to the command of a King, using Vasti as a role model is one of the most stupidest point to raise. Sorry to say this but you lack spiritual knowledge 😅
Silly woman - Esther saved her people. That was the point.
A man that I should have never married . .told me that if I don't wear mini dressing. . To flaunt myself for his friends. .
In their wisdom they became fools
Now I would never tell Jesus No ! . . But this story isn't talking about Jesus !. . .there's all types of women . .some have a look on them . .that a man can tell she's like that . . Needy. . . Ester was a different type of woman from others.. . .
Joseph, said No. To pittifers wife
Very speculative view, especially in light of how king Ahasuerus treated Esther. Your view is also an insult and attack to king Ahasuerus’ character and that of his wise counselors.
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this is all nonsense xerxes the great would have never done that to women persian kings of kings and emperors were famous for how they treat their wives and daughters with kindness and women in persian empire were respected unlike the west they also had high and Powerful status in the empire
Cassandane Shahbanu
Atusa Shahbanu (also given as Atossa)
Artunis
Irdabama
Artemisia I of Caria
Youtab Aryobarzan
Musa (also given as Thermusa)
Sura
Azadokht Shahbanu
Purandokht (also given as Boran)
Apranik
Banu, wife of Babak
Twelve Great Women of Ancient Persia 👆
It never said she only wore a crown
What a lie to twist the word of God to suit your agenda
She refused obey the king because
* She was drunk *
Read the bible people
I would have said no, too. 😜🤪
Also wouldn’t marry a man that would exploit me.
so you would have said no to Xerxes. LOL
and really no honorable man would make a show of his woman
Omgosh so true!
Yet the power of God did not work through Vashti and she did evil to Hebrew women. SMH
Powerful Teaching. Clear, Concise and Concentrated Exposition for Those ON-THE-GO.
The devil is also clear, concise and concentrated in his twisting of scripture - all the time... This is mis-INTERPRETING scripture. Please read some of my comments for full explanation
Vashti was a villian
Boooo 🍅🍅🍅
Don’t agree with most of what was said but I surely wouldn’t walk alone into a hall of hundreds of drunken men💀 that’s just not an easy thing to do even if it’s one drunken man
True she was. she refused because she hated the Jews and not because she minded her dignity
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If you ever get bored and wanted to know more about ancient persia, you may also search:
1) Persepolis
2) Cyrus, the great
3) cyrus the Great and the Founding Fathers of America
4) cyrus cylinder
7) Alexander the Great cyrus book. Cyropedea writteb by Xenophon,
8) Cyrus the great, in bible
9) Cyrus the great in Quran
10) Cyrus the great anoited by god
11) Cyrus the great messiah
12) Xerces the god king
Thnk you❤ Love and peace for all genders and race... tolerance and generosity and freedom and wealth theae are what evey man need to have a happy joyful life... good deeds good words good thoughts otherwize toungue he vsnip snip ✂️😝😂 hehe 😜
Thanks for tideo
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Oh come on now
False information
Vashti is like satan, beautiful and she believe herself to be above the King! You have added to scripture and it's totally wrong!
Vashti was rude , coz Ester entered the kings chamber without permission she was courageous. There is a thin line between being rude and looking stupid and being courageous and looking loyal.
Incredibly wrong....maybe one of the worse videos I've ever seen.
Bad teaching here....evil.
CRINGE.
🙄 Nonsense.
This is why you don't take biblical teaching from any women whatsoever. I warn every man to never do it, guard your soul. There is no excuse for it to be found anywhere in scripture.
........vashti was a foolish wife had no insight from the HOLY SPIRIT due to her carnal ways.......the wicked spirit of jezebel in vashti pride was silenced by the KING AMEN.......esther was wise for during the banquet of wine that's when she made her request known to the KING and she saved her people.......ruth went to boaz and slept at his feet when he had wine......THE NEW WINE IS SYMBOLIC TO HIS HOLY MAJESTY JESUS CHRIST LIFE.......vashti walked in the flesh and had a carnal mind but esther walked in the HOLY SPIRIT and LIFE WAS GRANTED TO Her and her people amen.
You clearly did not read the book properly because even Esther knew she was doing wrong lol she knew she could've died hence why she fasted n was willing to die, yall reading something else?
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.. now that's the difference between worldly women vashti who walked foolishly and ESTHER who walked in the wisdom of GOD ALMIGHTY THROUGH FASTING AND PRAYER......ESTHER was humble never drunk in pride of being Queen and understood the one who uplifted her was GOD......through OBEDIENCE and respect to her husband Xerxes Esther found favour......vashti drunk in her pride and disobedience to her husband forget if it wasn't for Xerxes she wouldn't be a Queen,she thought to herself she's indispensable......vashti today is the foolish virgins or today's feminists but ESTHER is the rare woman today GOD FEARING OBEDIENT TO HER HUSBAND that we rarely see today.
Mona Moak
Iam queen esther and i can say no to
Wow. This is such a twist on scripture. I’m absolutely baffled that Zondervan would approve this to be posted. Vashti was a hero like Jezebel. 🫠
How because she refused to stand naked in front of the guest and the banquet? It was a custom in that time that the queen will show her beauty
Yes iam queen of troue esther haer
Baecuse she is control lady vhsti and also xerxes control men so this way they cant be togther hi from esther 😀👋🕊️
Vhsti not angel also vhsti tack marrid men and push haer big nuse insid my life