MIDAIR COLLISION ON FINAL APPROACH at Denver - Centennial
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- 12/MAY/2021
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**Can't believe everyone got uninjured from that.**
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I'm equally stunned (and happy!) that Kilo-Lima landed in one piece - that is a big chunk of aircraft missing! And another happy customer of the Cirrus parachute system - it's well & truly demonstrated it's value by now 👍
Imagine if Keylime was carrying passengers back there. Jeezus.
We have been flying in and out of Centennial Airport since the 1960’s.
Crazy busy and too many close calls from inexperienced novice pilots so we sold our plane and buildings.
This was truly a miracle no one was hurt.
Air Traffic Control error? Pilot error? Both?
Calling Juan Browne 📲 ☎️
Friend had a mayday last Wednesday. 5/5/21. Southern Oregon. Engine fire, deadsticked in Myrtle Creek airport. All is ok. Hoping ATC is available.
@@medea27 I would love to see the face of the pilot Kilo-Lima when getting out and seeing the damage. Based on the communication it sound like he has no clue at all about the severity of the damage.
Everyone: Dude, there's a mid air... chute.... collision... they're...
Random Pilot: I see a hawk.
Hahaha
ATC: "Oh what color is it?"
Large bird next to the runway a stricken aircraft is going to land on... it's relevant, 'though I'm not sure what they'd be able to do about it that quick.
I was that random pilot calling out the hawk from N683SP haha seemed relevant for anyone else in the pattern still
@@connormoran9491 hey, I appreciated it lol
Key Lime pilot cool as a cucumber despite losing half his cabin. His voice did not change whatsoever.
I bet he had no idea.
Cool as a cucumber flying a plane painted like a cucumber.
Sounded completely unaware of the incident (as a collision) or extent of the damage.
To be fair he thought he had simply lost an engine. Imagine his surprise when he stepped out of the flight deck
😂😂
I come to these videos expecting to hear “MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY MID-AIR ON FINAL I’VE LOST MY CABIN GOING DOWN” And all I get is “nah I’m good, there’s a bird on the runway and imma take Alpha, cheers”
This is the comment I came here for! Ha!
did the KL pilot even realize he was flying a convertible? He was incredibly cool.
I don't think he noticed until he saw it. Must have heard a huge bang though.
@@VASAviation maybe a slight movement? Just a tiny bump? "Engine failure"? Jesus. Some situational awareness.
The way how the roof of fuselage got ripped off is perfect for summer season chartering. Only if the a/c can be airworthy.
I don't think he knew until he was on the ground, judging by the engine failure call. I bet he rolled out before he looked behind him and figured out the roof was gone.
Probably called out right engine failure do to the loud noise/vibrations combined with a possible yawing motion to the right given the Cirrus's flight path thru the rear portion of the fuselage. Jerk reaction to those two happening in a multi-engine is engine failure.
ATC: “Key-lime 970, do you require assistance?”
Key-lime 970: “No thank you. We’re all good here.”
ATC: “Key-lime 970, ... are you sure, because it looks like you’re flying a convertible?”
He was on the ground at that point. "Nah, I'm good. It was getting hot and I was about to open a window once on the ground but it seems we've got ventilation already."
@@suzukirider9030 Were there no passengers? They had to be freaking out.
It's like the moments before someone realizes that they have a compound fracture.
"So you... you sure you don't...... imma call for help, k?"
@@sobel4511 😂
@@DugrozReports Freight plane with only one pilot apparently. I imagine he was rather busy finishing his landing with a substantially altered set of conditions to deal with. No time to speculate about the possible alternatives to engine failure. Just fly the damn plane in a way that seems to work.
Key Lime bro was probably single pilot, all chill after a plane just crashed in to him and tore off a quarter of his plane and is like “I’m good I think I’ll just taxi to the FBO now.”
To the fbo to let out a scream once the master switch off...lol
Probably not knowing the extent of the damage to his Metroliner.
Its like the cashier in Fight Club, that moment he realized he was going to live was the best moment of his life.
When he’s talking about where he is gonna park on the ramp, it sounds like maybe it is starting to dawn on him the severity of what he just survived.
Maybe, theres a few videos of Key Lime pilots flying SW4 single pilot.
Holy crap. Key Lime pilot only thought he lost an engine. Wonder what he thought when he exited the cockpit and seen half the cabin gone?
I can only assume he noticed that some part of his plane was open due to the increased wind noise, but decided he can't do anything about it now anyways other than trying to land as planned originally.
@@ska042 I was talking to my co workers and they said they think that the metroliner has a closed cockpit
@@joshsimpson1648 And cargo curtains that separate sections of the fuselage and prevent a pilot from seeing anything behind
"Oh shit" would be my guess lol
I imagine the adrenaline rush would have possibly made him pee.
Delta Juliet as he's floating down with a parachute: "Tower just want to confirm that I saw that hawk too. Requesting permission to crash about 2 miles short of 17L."
AirForceProud95: "That is approved as requested."
„Cleared to crash“
6DJ unable I've got traffic out there, try again in a couple minutes.
Omg I don't know aviation speak, but this is all hilarious. Maybe even more so for me than yall.
Continuing.
Absolute miracle that nobody died!
The only things to perish was their undies. Thank goodness!
Omg you were on this plane short time ago
Praise God everyone is alive and well. Great job getting the planes down by both pilots!
Indeed.
Actually, one had a parachute the other was able to land, no divine intervention.
Full credit to the metroliner pilot for being so calm and professional.
I don't think he had any idea what happened since he called in engine failure.
You'd have to have nerves of steel anyway to fly a metroliner.
@@andytaylor1588 he couldn’t hear anything, felt a bump... not another engine failure...
@@Rubibi-saltwaterjim Many engine failures have been violent explosions that tore holes into the fuselage. So his guess could've been very good as to the cause, and he might've known pretty well the extent of the damage.
I do not think he knew how badly damaged he was. And intially, he did not know that there had been a collision.
I wish there was a video of the KL pilot's reaction when he opened the cockpit door.
Yeah same here !
yeah, that would definitely be a fly on the wall moment. i'd be a half bottle deep right now celebrating life
Pilot: “ Oh... well... that’ll buff out.”
Pilot muttering to himself as he walks out of the airplane:
"Okay, do NOT look back at the airplane. I said we simply lost an engine on short final and landed, and that's what happened. I don't wanna hear anything or talk with anyone. Imma gonna get a bottle of whiskey and take a couple days off... do NOT look back at the airplane. Keep walking..."
Remember Cast Away? Tom Hanks' face when he could make out the ocean through the open cockpit door?
Amazing how the metroliner actually landed, considering the damage. I couldn't help but notice that in the middle of everything going on, they announced that a 'hawk' was on the runway. So you had multiple situations going on and the hawk just made part of the final cut.
The hawk saw it happen, and just landed to watch the Metroliner taxi by with half a fuselage.
I get the feeling they didn't realize how bad the damage was. They called an engine failure on final, not a mid-air...
At first when they said there was a hawk, I thought they were reporting the cirrus using some kind of slang. Then I realized it was a real bird in addition to everything else
@@spelldaddy5386 Imagine coming in to land, having damage because of a mid air collision, engine problems, and to add you need to keep an eye on the hawk. Excellent airman-ship there from the Metroliner pilot.
Hawks are badass. But even he was in awe of the Metroliner landing.
Whoa. When you listen to the radio you think... ‘nothing big...’ then you see that picture. Fair play to the key lime pilot that’s incredible nerve and top professionalism.
Holy cow. They were all so lucky. That picture at the end is chilling.
And really incredible that the other plane has a parachute of all things!
That Metroliner was still flyable? Incredible..! That pilot was so matter of fact too!
Thank God Cirrus hit the fuselage and not primary flight controls
The tail part would’ve been ripped off if it wasn’t on final and reducing the speed.
@@VASAviation We all learned the flight control cables on the Metroliner run through the floor and not the roof.
@@VASAviation looks like the cirrus missed the empennage by millimeters there...any further aft and it clips the part that anchors to the fuselage and the key lime is gone
The whole thing is just phenomenal. Hate to be repetitive but just amazing no one was killed.
This could have been a non-survivable incident so quick it leaves shivers down your spine just thinking about it
It's amazing really.
Cirrus just earn some major bragging rights for their parachute system. Very likely saved the pilot a certain death.
Good thing they had that chute
saw the notification and did not expect anyone to be ok. Oh no, oh no. Wow
@@TheEDFLegacy why he overshot his right turn is very important also but, why he got clearance to land? Even though neither the cirrus or the key lime saw each other is beyond me. What an incredibly dumb decision.
KYM970 thought the right engine failed because the impact jolted the nose right . Cirrus impacted on the right side of the fuselage, aft of the CG, and that’s what levered the nose to the right. As a failure of the right engine would feel, the nose swung right.
LYM970: *taxies into Signature with half of rear fuselage missing*
Signature line techs: Soooooo, how much fuel you need today? I assume a quick turn on this one?
Well it's still summer, so I guess we can go with a soft-top till the winter season comes.
How much fuel does he have to take to avoid the ramp fee?
Top them off and I need a roll of duct tape.
"Just slap a lil' epoxy in there, she'll be fine."
This is why a modified pattern is used at John Wayne (SNA) for parallel operations. The base leg is flown at an angle until lining up with the left runway to avoid overshooting a squared off turn to final.
Yup from the south direct signal peak
Actually, the base leg is flown at 90 degrees to final (as usual), but is shortened, then you turn final early and follow a 15 degree angle from the extended centerline of the runway. Leaves more space than between parallel final approaches.
I don’t think a weekend cowboy like the cirrus would have followed that modified patten at SNA been there many times and many weekend cowboys just do their own thing.
I think there's some value to your premise of extra provision for parallel ops. I heard the controller tell the cirrus to head toward the reservoir, which pretty much made downwind and base merge together and ensure the turn to final would be >90 degrees. The instructor could have rejected that.
Funny you mention SNA - There's about 500' between the centerlines and about 380' between the boundaries at SNA. Many years ago I took a PSA flight out of SNA and while climbing out (before noise abatement) looked out the left window and saw a Bonanza appear through the haze, turning on final in the opposite direction (2R). I thought that was kind of absurd and asked the flight crew about it when we landed - they sez "it's always like that..."
@@speedbird7976 At least it's a CMA for admin at KSNA. Not their fault when you fly other than published.
HUGE respect to the Metroliner aircraft. It held together quite well after a mid-air collision. Unbelievable really.
PIC did a great job too!
Thanks to engineers ....
Hard to believe half the upper fuselage is severed and the thing held together. Even after landing impact. Wow.
A great example for students and new pilots that controllers can’t guarantee they’ll watch your every move and/or provide critical advisories … it’s always ultimately the pilot’s responsibility to watch for traffic.
So glad nobody died in this one.
The controllers are at fault somewhat for not staggering them a little bit even though they were landing parallel runways?
@@someusername121 It is the pilots responsibility to see and avoid.
The problem is that it is not at all reliable--and sometimes just flat-out impossible--for pilots to be able to avoid mid-air collisions in crowded airspace without assistance from ground radar or sufficiently reliable proximity warning systems. "See and avoid" was never safe or reliable (or even sufficient), and that was acknowledged legally decades ago; the reason it persisted as the standard for so long is because it was the best they could do at the time. Nowadays, that's not the case--and in this instance, either the controllers fucked up big time or the airfield lacked the necessary equipment to safely handle that kind of traffic and should have staggered out the planes a lot more (and the fact that they didn't means that they fucked up regardless).
@@someusername121 nope. zero fault on ATC here. the cirrus reported traffic insight on the metro at which point "visual separation" is entirely up to the pilot, not ATC. Not only did they (apparently) not have the metro insight, they overshot the final. I've flown small aircraft on parallel finals with everything from A-10s to 767s. rule #1 do not overshoot the final. rule #2 do not make your turn until you have traffic in sight and 100% sure it's the traffic callout you were given. if in doubt, ask. Parallel operations are very common and ATC cannot react fast enough to a pilot overshooting or losing separation when the pilot has accepted full responsibility for visual separation.
Did you miss the part where N65J called Keylime in sight? Not really sure what else you'd expect from a controller at the point once he states he's in sight. Its see and be seen and maneuver as necessary... Traffic should have been exchanged the other way as well to Keylime about the Cirrus but unfortunately it wasn't.
Regardless, I think if I was the tower controller at the time I would have extended downwind to ensure separation. This is coming from a controller of 15+ years certified in 5 towers and now working Atlanta traffic.
That was so fast. Thank you. I had not even heard of this until I got your notification. You do excellent work.
Looks like Key Lime lost a bit more than just an engine. Reminds me of the Aloha Air 'convertible'
Yeah, I don't know how that worked out for them, but apparently the craft was still airworthy enough for them to get down to the runway. Kudos to those KL pilots for keeping a level head in that shitstorm.
And that Aloha 737 was way past its expected number of cycles. A little surprised someone at Boeing didn't notice it and say something. They must have known how many short flights were the norm for Aloha.
@@austindarrenor it was the salt corrosion that hurt the plane
@@austindarrenor Aloha happened back when metal fatigue research was in its infancy. Keep in mind that only a decade earlier the de Havilland Comet broke apart because they didn't understand that the square windows would cause the pressurized cabin to crack.
In the case of Aloha they didn't understand the number of Cycles matter just as much as the amount of flight time, whereas back then they only tracked the number of hours.
In terms of hours that 737 was actually still under the limits, but suffered severe metal fatigue because it was used for very short flights for many years. With so many pressurization Cycles expanding and shrinking the airframe, it was done for. The glue problems, although a contributing issue, wouldn't have mattered in the long run.
@@TheEDFLegacy The Comet was 1950s not 1850s. I still think someone familiar with metallurgy from that time period would have taken one look at the square windows and said "No way!!". But I guess not since they had to put it into a big tank of water to find out where the weakness was. And I would think that someone at Boeing with just common sense noticing so many short flights in that salty environment would have said something. And Aloha would have said "Our planes are fine. You're just trying to sell us new ones." Squeezing every last nickel out of those jets.
Thanks Victor stby for an update! Juan
thanks let us know more.
Yes, please! :-)
Should be interesting to listen to.
I'm, well, damn. I'd love to know the first thought that went thru his mind once he saw the extent of the damage...
Waiting for your video and the South Metro PIO channel to do one! (local FD for Centennial - South Metro Fire Rescue - has an outstanding PIO channel!)
Centennial can be scary airport. It's non stop from sunup to sundown every day with frequent wind changes. And it's everything from F-18s, Gulfstreams, tons of citations, piston singles, and helicopters. If you can handle centennial tower, I'm confident you can handle any tower in the world.
Regrettably, based on the separation between those aircraft and lining up for parallel runways - I don't think they CAN handle tower at Centennial.
@@seosahm separation was fine until the Cirrus pilot screwed up
@@ace00007 except that with the parallel runways being so close together allowing pilots to do 90 degree turns on to final is asking for a near miss or mid air with even the smallest error
Their pattern design needs some work tho, only a matter of time before they had a near miss at least with those converging lines. At the least they'll have to start saying "do NOT overshoot to everyone using the shortie.
Key Lime: "I think we lost our right engine"
Narrator: And a large portion of your fuselage, but that is not important.
Awesome job by both pilots in keeping the injuries to a minimum.
“Next week on Arrested Decent Rate…”
A sunroof? What is it? / It's a big hole with airflow but that's not important right now.
@@hyundaihd440 Lol
Uh no, ONE pilot did an awesome job, the other should lose their cert forever.
I'm at the FAA Academy right now and every instructor I had was talking about this today.
In your opinion…how did the controllers do? Unless I missed it, I never heard them mention the Cirrus traffic to the metro.
If you fail the academy, call Advanced atc in Valdosta Georgia. You can get a CTO through them and continue your career in atc. Tell anyone in your class who fails. There will be a few.
@@73av8r5 I'm still just a student so my opinion probably isn't much, but I'd have to imagine that not calling a traffic alert when it looks so obvious that the planes were going to hit is going to get the controller in some shit. How much shit, who knows.
@@GuitarZero132 Was it obvious though? They were landing parallel so they were naturally going to get close to each other, and the Cirrus claimed to have traffic in sight, so the responsibility is on him.
I'm sure the controller will be second-guessing their decision, but you have to also consider that disrupting the pilot at a critical stage of the landing -- when the pilot claims to have the traffic in sight, mind you -- can be even more dangerous.
@@GuitarZero132 Been flying airliners for 24 years. We’re always told about traffic in situations like this. We also have TCAS which helps a lot. I guess we’ll just see what the investigation finds. Good luck to you sir. 👍🏻
When you say you have the traffic in sight, you aren't supposed to run into the traffic.
I think he was watching the Cessna he was supposed to land behind, the metro liner was on a parallel runway & ATC told him, what they mean is don’t swing your turn wide...
@@2GreenlidClassic example of target fixation
It's what happens when you have the wrong glasses on. Those were his close-up glasses.
@@sebastianlabusch465 the issue with low-wing planes (like cirrus) is that you’re unable to see what’s under you. It’s entirely possible he was descending and the key lime was in his blind spot. Especially if he’s making a right turn for final and key lime is approaching from the left
@@miromarkaravanes9947 - Wrong. Cirrus driver overshot final. You never, ever overshoot base to final. Doing so is akin to changing lanes without even looking for other cars or trucks on the freeway. He didn't stay in his lane.
Can’t believe that Metroliner didn’t fall apart in the air.
KeyLime had that bird up and running by 3pm local.
@@KleinAB Just some tape and it's good to go.
Well, it did. But the biggest part managed to land on the runway.
@@suzukirider9030 And taxied to the FBO. wow, just wow.
San Antonio sewer pipes are built like tanks.
I read about this minutes after it happened on the Denver subreddit. I was looking forward to hearing this! Thanks for posting!
Victor, its incredible how fast you get these videos out.
Man that Key Lime pilot was cool as a damned frozen cucumber.
Flying a cucumber too. 🥒
@@MrPomelo555 LMAO. Got ‘em!
I’m a CFI out of Colorado Springs. Almost had a Mid Air with another Skyhawk on the same runway just a few days ago. Too busy of an airport with parallel runways way too close together. Too much room for error. I’m amazed they were able to land the airplane in that condition.
Looks like the Cirrus mistook the Cessna for the Key Lime and turned final behind as instructed... Quite messy clearance wihtout anybody noticing the issue in time...
The Cirrus was following the Cessna as instructed. Then a second radio call informed the Cirrus of Key Lime, to which the Cirrus replied in sight.
Will be interesting to hear if the Cirrus pilot really saw Key Lime, or thought it was a repeat of the cessna advisory.
Also, I didn’t hear the East Tower controller advise Key Lime of the Cirrus. Maybe it just didn’t get picked up on the recording.
@@vanya757 It’s far too easy to overshoot the right side and end up on final for 17L if your not paying attention. Also too much traffic in my opinion. Lots of local pilots who get used to the area and procedures specific to centennial and then someone not local comes in and has a hard time. I take students to Centennial to show just how intense of an environment it can be. Just scary to think that this almost happened to me as well just a few days ago.
Glad you you are ok! Have TCAS, or some other kind of traffic alerting on your aircraft? What kind of aircraft do you instruct in?
I wonder if the Cirrus or Metroliner had TCAS!
I love your videos that come out. thank you for doing this. Its interesting to hear the ATC callouts and the calmness in their voices. Its also a teaching tool to always keep your wits about you and prepare your turns and altitudes.
WOW VAS! My in-laws live about 2 miles NW of KAPA (very close to where the Cirrus came to rest) By the time they texted me about the incident, you already had it up!!! AMAZING!
3:32 Key Lime pilot acting like he just went to the supermarket to get some milk and come back
I did my PPL training at KAPA. Can't tell you how many times my CFI told me to keep my base and final turns tight into 17R. Wow, lucky people indeed.
or start your turn a bit early and fix it by widening the turn or pausing the turn. better to turn early on parallels, than to ever turn too late.
Thank you VASA for the amazing videos. Absolutely impressed by the total professional attitudes of the ATC and diligent efforts to get them help.
Just had my first Cirrus lesson yesterday- easy plane to fly. You gotta be real sloppy and unfocused to blow through centerline like that- that’s the first rule of parallel runways, stay on your side no matter what
Yep, he was a dumbass for crossing..... Someday the chute won't save him.....
I flew Metroliners 40 years ago. I'm going to dig up my manuals and look where the elevator cables run.
Judging by the fact it was still controllable. I'd say they are under the floor like the Jetstream.
Victor, you got this one out before the oil cooled in the airplanes. Outstanding job!!
How was that green plane even able to stay airborne with that much damage?!?! That's amazing. The pilot was so nonchalant, _"I'll just taxi over here out of your way and wait for the rescue trucks to show up. Don't want to be in anyone's way..."_
Wow that's so quick. Quite a niche you cut out for yourself here. Thank you for coming up with the idea of putting all of this together. It's pretty incredible.
Cirrus pilot said he had "traffic in sight" meaning he only saw the Cessna with a pilot's first solo landing. He didn't see the Metroliner...it's clear from the radar
ATC most likely interpreted it as having both in sight.
@@Chasebmf23 Yes.
Never should have overshot final. Either bad instructors or just another idiot who doesn't care about others.
or like I hear a number of times on the radio, they think that seeing them on the iPad is having them in sight. "Yeah, I have them on ForeFlight" and the controller responds with "that's not good enough, you need to acknowledge you have VISUAL confirmation." Technology breeds complacency.
@@sophiejaysstuff4026
It’s a cirrus so probably both.
That Key Lime pilot is so collected, the professionalism shown is outstanding! Truly outstanding!
Miracle! VASAviation, great job getting this up so quickly!
Three things I noticed in the audio: Cirrus pilot was told to follow Cessna turning final, said it was in sight but failed to do so. Cirrus was also told about Metroliner and reported it in sight as well. Last, Metroliner was told about Cessna but not told about Cirrus following it.
It seems to me as if the Cirrus pilot was replying that other aircraft were "in sight" automatically, without actually having them in sight. Of course, keeping two aircraft in sight that are nearly 180 degrees apart in your field of view, is rather difficult while simultaneously making preparations to land.
Pilot - "I'm gonna taxi off over here and I think I'll just park over at Signature"
Controller in tower - 0_o
this is my home airport i see that cirrus almost every day. unbelievable that the metroliner was able to land! thats a great pilot he stayed collected and professional. might be getting a raise sometime soon im sure
I've been waiting all day for this video. Nice job, VASAviation!
I wonder how did the Key Lime pilot felt the crash, he was so chill thinking it was "just" an engine failure.
Because he probably felt a sharp shudder followed by loss of engine and thought one let go.
@@EightiesTV I don't think there was any actual engine problem, it was probably just his assumption based on bang/shudder + sudden yawing, and he had no time to try to figure out what was actually going on.
The Metroliner already actively tries not to fly, I am amazed at the outcome of this. Great job Key Lime Bro
I live approx 3 ml due east of Cherry Creek Reservoir & roughly 5ish ml NNE of KAPA and you had this video up before I heard about it, that impressive - Nice Job.
It’s a testament to the metro and the crew that they had no idea that they had been hit. And the “rahjah” at the end, class.
When the ATC tried to reach 6DJ at 2:02 something in his voice haunts me, his heart's dropped and you can hear it. Then his voice noticably changed when he asked Cessna 251 for the location. I can only imagine how nerve wreking it must have been
The voice! when you know you just had a "deal"!
The metro pilot over the radio sounds like nothing major just happened and carried on landing. Extreme professionalism.
Also thoese little metros are built like tanks.
It's because he thought nothing major happened. He was absolutely unaware of the crash, he thought he may have had an engine failure
Man, It must have been TERRIFYING to watch your plane smashing through the fuselage of another plane, assuming that after that you are surely dead, realising you are not, and then pulling the parachute. Just imagine looking through this pilot's eyes. Terrifying.
Considering that the damage is on top of the Metroliner and they were nearly perpendicular, it's likely that the Cirrus pilot never saw the Metroliner. He was probably looking to the right toward the runway and turning so the left wing was up. Then BAM and flipping over. Good instinct to pull the parachute.
@@mckennaConfig That was my thought. Thinking about everything before he turned in, I have a hunch he was mistaken about which aircraft he had in sight. What strikes me is when ATC called "additional traffic north", they said it was "for the parallel", which may have caused the Cirrus to think that 3SP was who he was supposed to follow...
I don't know but watching the flow of everything before the incident, confusion was an inevitable possibility
I don’t think he (cirrus pilot) saw a thing:.....cause clearly he wasn’t paying attention.
@@Kingsley_Moosen I agree. Kind of surprised ATC didn't have a LITTLE bit more separation, even for a final. It would be one thing if they were on LPV approaches or something, but this just seemed ripe for a conflict.
Forget him. He deserves to be afraid. I'm glad it was just a light cargo aircraft he almost cut in half with his lawyer toy. If it had been filled with passengers, he'd now be looking down the barrel of criminally negligent homicide charge instead of merely losing a quarter of his 2021 income to buy himself and Key Lime new planes.
The post incident is where I am really impressed with everyone dealing with this situation. Really looking forward to in-depth post analysis.
we owned a condo right on the west side of centennial, and man that is one of the busiest airports I have ever seen. my wife and I loved it, you have everything from military aircraft of all kinds, to private everything and the helicopter traffic is nuts. so happy nobody died. key lime you are the coolest of the cucumbers.
this is why I always teach students to turn final early from the base when not certain when to begin turn. If you find yourself turning onto final too early, just pause the turn or widen the turn for a bit to realign. Far better to err on the side of a little early than ever risking being late. I did a lot of training and instructing out of a busy airport with parallel runways. I even teach this to students at smaller airports and demo the pattern/turn to them to show them what I mean (and intentionally turn too soon).
That Metroliner is lucky. By the picture it was inches from being cut in half.
...And probably a fractionally more full on impact would have damaged the Cirrus beyond recovery too. Luck all round.
Back in the early 90's, I was cleared to take off from 17L at KAPA. Upon climbing out, out of nowhere was a Piper Arrow zipping past me, just to the left heading the opposite direction. I briefly saw the pilot looking at me in shock as I was too... we both were at the same altitude and about 25' apart! I still have flashbacks of that moment... I never received any calls as to be on the look out for traffic.....
Wow, super quick upload and more info than the local news. Nice job @VASAviation
That SW Metroliner is one well-built aircraft.
Thats what I'm thinking
Unfortunately it seemed to be built without TCAS...
@@valerierodger7700 Exactly
Can't imagine the "Oh Shit" moment when the Key Lime pilot stepped out and looked back.
I've worked at Centennial KAPA for a few years, and have lived within walking distance of it for over a decade. And these 2 runways have seen their fair share of close calls, and handful of collisions (Both midair and ground).
17R/17L & 35R/36L are both parallel to each other, and only 700 feet apart. So even overshooting the runway by a couple hundred feet (Which takes a matter of seconds in an aircraft) is almost certainly going to result in a very close call. As this video shows.
It's amazing no one got any major injuries in this collision.
The calm of the pilot is amazing.
Good thing in the midst of all that we were able to get the PIREP of a bird by the runway.
2 planes just collided -- but watch out for the bird on the runway.
@@kevinbyrne4538 Well, best not make it 3.
Weird shit seems to happen at once. I hit the former "Local Hawk" at Van Nuys airport. I didn't tell Hawk to fly into my leading edge of outboard Piper PA-34 Seneca wing. It (gender couldn't be established) left a 3" bloody dent in wing. Funny, how us old fat pilot guys, remember these flying stories from 30 years ago. That Hawk use to perform aerobatics between planes and Jets landing, for years prior.
Key Lime pilot: If I don't look behind me, the damage can't hurt me.
Surprised the Key Lime Pilot didn't ask for a refuel so he could get back up there and finish his mission for the day.
Or at least re-arm to go after the guy that did it.
That Cirrus parachute should seriously be considered by every general aviation manufacturer, it literally is a life saver
They have them for 172’s and 182’s now
So many people think parachutes are for poor pilots and mock them. I just don’t get it. Stuff like this happens, and being a good pilot ain’t gonna save you.
Parachutes are available for all experimental and light sport aircraft. Cirrus is the only certified aircraft that makes them standard. That is why they are the number one selling single piston aircraft maker. Parachutes saves lives. Without that, we would be talking about the cirrus pilot in the past tense. I personally am looking to buy a flight design F2 and it comes with front cabin air bags and Parachute, will not buy it without them.
There's no data but it seems that pilots flying with CAPS are becoming complacent and relaxed because if anything goes wrong they can just easily pull the shoot.
@@chriskroeker1889 You can't prevent a more money than brains idiot from overshooting final. It's impossible.....
MANY thumbs up to the Key Lime pilot. They are all single pilot, steam gauges, hand flying - no autopilot. Most pilots freak when a door flies open, this guy acted like this was nothing more than an average, everyday situation that he's practiced for his whole career. Incredible.
Psst....whats KGB stand for?
Bro you got this video out before a lot of major news agencies even reported on it
That key lime pilot must have to put ballast in the back to account for the weight of his massive balls. The dude had his plane nearly cut in half and acted like he couldn’t be bothered by it. What a pro
OMG the guy who was hit and has a gaping hole in the aircraft is calm as can be. "I lost an engine...." and a lot more. Amazing result.
He likely didn't know he was struck at the time of collision
Engine failures have often resulted in holes in the fuselage.
Look at what happened to the Concorde: it "only" had a punctured tire, and remember what that caused?
I watched LYM970 coming in to land! Great airmanship to be able to bring that in and not break its back.
I did my primary flight training out of KAPA. It’s harrowing being that close to the bigger planes on final doing a parallel landing. This is a common occurrence and a very busy airport. Most of the time when you’re in the pattern and turning base to final you’re pulling up next to a jet or turboprop to have both planes on final at the exact same time. Very easy to overshoot 17R to be in the way of final for 17L. There can be many days with strong wind from the west and you pretty much just turn downwind to final, keeping the turn through the base leg because there’s no time to fly it before you are now lined up for the wrong runway.
Thank goodness no one was hurt critically or killed. Brilliant work keeping calm and sussing the situation out.
I live literally right under where this happened...crazy!!
Check your backyard for Cirrus landing gear?
Wow the audios dont really tell how bad it was. Well done Vas for getting photos also.
probably didnt' know how bad it was till they got out and took a look. freakin' amazing professionalism.
This happened super close to me! Glad everyone is good!
The Metroliner landed after beING PEELED like that!?!
I never would have thought they were built that rugged!
Great piloting on both aircraft, fantastic no lives lost, EVERYONE on freq were cool and calm!
Need more recordings with real professionslism like this!👍🏿
If there had been great piloting in the Cirrus, there wouldn't have been a collision....
I'm surprised that tower allows discretionary base turns with parallel operations that close (for reasons exactly like this). I'm guessing that's going to change really soon, if it hasn't already.
We did it all the time (discretionary turns) in even busier airspace with no on-site radar. Never an issue I was aware of. A student would drift too far once in a while, but the other pilots were always aware and watching each other, as was the tower.
@@SoloRenegade Was it a two-controller operation like this though (separate controllers for each runway)? That makes all the difference because a single local controller working both parallels will know about the traffic in both patterns and can call it to everyone as required for parallel operations, but separate controllers mean they may not be aware unless they happen to glance at the radar at the right time (which we're not required to monitor). That Key Lime never got a traffic call probably because the controller didn't know about the Cirrus turning base.
@@kewkabe Good point, yes, the airport I flew at had 1 dedicated controller per runway on separate freqs most of the time. But the traffic was typically much heavier than this too. On lesser days, one controller could handle both runways. The ATC controllers we had could have handled easily 4 planes on 2 runways.
But the Key Lime shouldn't have needed a traffic call separate from ATC alerting the Cirrus. A professional pilot would have heard ATC talking to the C172s and Cirrus and been Fully aware of them. I could handle tracking 8 dissimilar (C310, Diamond twins, C172, C150, C18RG, R44, R22...) aircraft in a pattern at once with ease, as a pilot flying in the pattern and just listening to ATC. The Cirrus should have been No factor for the metroliner, had the cirrus pilot not incurred on the 17L final approach. This is the pilot's fault alone in my opinion.
I soloed initially in Echo airspace, and had to coordinate with a Learjet by myself with no tower at all no problem. He got on freq and called 10mile final as I was turning downwind to base in a Piper Warrior II. I knew he would be on top of me by the time I was flaring, and so sidestepped the runway onto the upwind and called the Learjet to let him have the runway. If a professional pilot can't do that, they shouldn't be flying. The metroliner shouldn't have needed a special traffic alert after hearing ATC alert the cirrus of the metroliner. I personally would not have needed one, nor would have I expected ATC to give me one. I'm a professional, and situational awareness is my responsibility, not just ATC's.
@@SoloRenegade The Cirrus and Metroliner were on different frequencies though, that's the whole issue with the two separate controllers. How would the metroliner pilot know about the Cirrus unless he happened to catch it in an overall traffic scan, which I'm guessing (as a controller, I'm not a pilot) that when you're in tower's airspace and they call specific traffic like they did here (some other Cessna) you might assume that's the only relevant traffic and would keep an eye on it instead of a general scan over everything. Thus the collision.
@@kewkabe The metroline was hit in the tail. It is unlikely they would have seen the cirrus failing to make the turn behind them even if they were aware of the cirrus. Had the Cirrus not incurred onto the final for 17L, there would have been no issue. the cause of the accident was purely the Cirrus pilot's failure to fly the pattern correctly.
I've flown parallel runway airports for years and never been alerted to most parallel landing traffic. I've been alerted sometimes, but not usually. If everyone is where they are supposed to be, there is no need.
a fraction of a second and that metro would've lost it's tail, then... glad things worked out the way they did!
yeah, that was crazy lucky
Wow that CAPS system is a must for me when I buy my plane
I fly out of KAPA all the time. This is so crazy! So glad everyone walked away. Big props to the single pilot in the Metro who declared and an emergency and landed!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! That was insane. Scary. Glad everyone survived! Pilots were so calm!
Wow, you're quick. I hadn't even heard about it on the news yet.
When you get your local news from VASAviation instead of TV. Had no idea this happened. Key Lime is used for packages into the mountain towns. Incredible outcome!
Well that's one way to test the Cirrus Parachute, glad no one was injured.
How that plane stayed in one piece despite being cut in half and catching all that extra drag is beyond me.
The most amazing part of this is the amount of stress these airframes can handle. The way that KL looks brings to mind Flying Fortresses coming back from a bombing run.
Damn. That was amazing, noone got injured. I am basically shocked, how calm LYM pilot is. He just collides midair with othe huge object and says "eerrm, I think, I have engine failure, so I am gonna land just here"....wow.
Great airmanship on the part of Key Lime to bring her down.
Easy when you're completely unaware of the extent of the damage
I completely agree! A good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing is one where the aircraft will, at some point, be able to fly again.
@@iatsd less terrifying to not know the extent of the damage, but not any easier. He's still landed a convertible.
@@iatsd lol definitely not easy
@@yourMom-ic4wr Why is it "definitely not easy" to make a standard landing?
This happened about 5 miles from me. My manager got some pictures of them loading an aircraft on a trailer.
This goes down in history in my books. Absolutely amazing.
Wow that Texas Lawn Dart is a tough aircraft. And the pilot was very calm too. Good thing the Cirrus had CAPS. Probably saved their lives.
Gotta love the bird advisory right after a midair hahaha!
Seriously though, glad everyone is okay
The Metro carries structural stringer loads through the cargo door and there are a series of "click clack" latches that secure the door and have micro switches. The crew would have gotten annunciator panel warnings so he at least knew the door had issues. Amazing getting that back on the ground.